Subject: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,stu2104 Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:09 AM Hi, Does anyone know where I could get a Wav or MP3 file for the song Ellen Vannin? Tried the obvious searches and thought I'd got it - by the Bee Gees!! But no, same title, wrong tune!!! Cheers Stu2104 |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:22 AM Hi, Stu - can you tell us which Ellen Vannin you want? A pharase or two from the song should be enough. The one about the loss of the ship is here (click) in the Digital Tradition, with tune. The poem titled "Ellan Vannin" is here (click) - no tune. Either of those the right one? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: wilbyhillbilly Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:28 AM I think you may be talking about the Robin Gibb number. If this is the one you are looking for (which is fantastic), I can put a wav onto a CD for you and send it. PM me with details if you are interested. WHB |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Taffy2 Date: 08 Apr 05 - 11:01 PM Hello, Joe. This song was also sung by Kenneth McKellar. Taffy2 |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Jon Date: 09 Apr 05 - 09:02 PM Loads of errors in the DT version of the Hughie Jones (it just says recorded by the Spinners in the dt) song including the spelling of the ship, the spelling of the captains name and the year of the disaster. The Ellan Vannin Tragedy - Hugh E Jones Source Hughie's Ditty Bag Snaefell, Tyndwall and Ben-My-Chree, Fourteen ships have sailed to sea. Proudly bearing a Manx name, But there's one will never again Oh, Ellan Vannin, of the Isle of Man Company, Oh, Ellan Vannin, lost in the Irish Sea. At one a.m. in Ramsey Bay Captain Teare was heard to say, "Our contract says deliver the mail, In this rough weather we must not fail." Ocean liners sheltered from the storm, Ellan Vannin on the waves was borne. Her hold wase full and battened down, As she sailed toward far Liverpool town With her crew of twenty one Manxmen, Her passengers Liverpool business men. Farewell to Mona's Isle, farewell, This little ship was bound for hell. Less than a mile from the bar lightship, Ellan Vannin by a wave was hit. She sank in the waters of Liverpool Bay And there she lies until this day. Few Manxmen now remember The third day of the month December That terrible storm of Ninteen-O-Nine, Ellan Vannin sailed for the very last time. I'd wondered about Mona's Isle. A google search as found me this: "The Ellan Vannin was originally built as an iron paddle steamer and named Mona's Isle". Constructed in Scotland by Tod & MacGregor at Meadowside, Glasgow in 1860 at a cost of 10,673UKL. She had a gross tonnage on building of 339 tons, top speed of 12 knots and an overall length of 63.09metres. She was launched on 10 April 1860.In 1883 the Mona's Isle was converted to a twin screw steamer by Westray, Copeland and Co. of Barrow and renamed Ellan Vannin on 16 November 1883. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,stu2104 Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:53 AM Many thanks to all who have replied - sorry for the delay in replying as I've just come back from holiday !! I have a MP3 file of the Bee Gee's version - I'll try a search against Kenneth McKellar. Regards, stu2104 |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Dave Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:08 PM The music's still under copyright I think and is available in Hughie's book, which is available through my site, the 'official' Spinners site. Several other songs are listed for chords fans; I'd be very grateful for any others as I'm trying to build up a Spinners chords database for everybody's perusal. The Spinners Website dhatton42@hotmail.com Cheers Dave |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:02 PM They used to have the melody on this site. http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/shanty/elenvann.htm If you catch me on Paltalk you might catch the tune if I sing it for you. Yours, Aye. Dave |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM That should be Tynwald (not Tyndwall) in the first line , by the way. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: clansfolk Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:50 PM www.chanteycabin.co.uk try the above link under artist Hughie Jones, or email Jan & Ken (fellow mudcatters) I'm sure they be able to point you in the direction of a CD or Cassette by the man himself Pete |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Dave Hatton Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:59 PM It's on 'Hughie's Ditty Bag' (FECD81) and the accompanying book has the tune and chords. Chantey Cabin has both or buy direct from Hughie via Spinners Website Cheers Dave |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Schantieman Date: 29 Apr 05 - 03:50 AM I thought Ellan Vannin was the Manx name for the Island itself, after which the ship is named. If you like and you're still looking for the tune, I could ask Hughie for a copy next time I see him....although come to think of it he probably didn't write it down! Tell you what, phone me up and I'll sing it to you! Or come to the Everyman FC in Liverpool one Tuesday and ask the man himself! Steve |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Jim McLean Date: 29 Apr 05 - 12:16 PM It was printed, words and music, in SPIN Vol.3 No.5 which I have. I can make a Midi and attach it to an email if you can't get it elsewhere. The notes say the ship was affectionately known as "Li'l Daisy" |
Subject: DT Correction: Ellen Vannin From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:39 PM Jon's corrected version may be better than this American one because it appears he got it direct from the songwriter's version, but I thought I'd post this one for comparison. Most of these corrections are minor, except for the year of the event. Note also the difference in the chorus. Anybody have a Hugh Jones or Spinners recording of the song? If so, can you double-check these lyrics? -Joe Offer- ELLEN VANNIN (Hugh Jones, 1965) SnaeFell, Tynwald and Benmy Chree, Fourteen ships have sailed the sea. Proudly bearing a Manx name, But there's one will never again. CHORUS: Poor Ellen Vannin, lost in the Irish Sea. Poor Ellen Vannin, lost in the Irish Sea. At one a.m. in Ramsey Bay Captain Teare was heard to say, "Our contract says deliver the mail In this rough weather we must not fail." Ocean liners sheltered from the storm, Ellen Vannin on the waves was borne, Her hold was full and battened down As she sailed toward far Liverpool town. With her crew od twenty-one Manxmen, Her passengers Liverpool businessmen, Farewell to Mona's Isle, farewell, This little ship was bound for hell. Less than a mile from the bar lightship, By a mighty wave Ellen Vannin was hit, She sank in the waters of Liverpool Bay, And there she lies until this day. Few Manxmen now remember The third day od the month December That terrible storm of nineteen-O-nine Ellen Vannin sailed the last time. Notes: The Ellen Vannin, a small ship built in 1860, plied between Liverpool and the Isle of Man and was sunk in a stormy sea in 1909. Hugh Jones, a member of the Spinners folk song group, wrote this song with the assistance of Ted Hughes, retired engineer; Stan Hugill; and the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company. Source: New English Broadsides: Songs of Our Time from the English Folk Scene (compiled by Nathan Joseph and Eric Winder, Oak Publications, 1967). The tune in the Digital Tradition is exactly the tune found in New English Broadsides. I thought I'd add this copy of a message from another thread so we'd have more complete origins information with the lyrics posts.
Posted By: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin 05-Dec-98 - 01:29 PM Thread Name: Ellen Vannen Subject: RE: Ellen Vannen The name, 'Ellan Vannin' is the Manx Gaelic name for 'the island of Mannin', the Isle of Man, in the Irish Sea at the centre of the Celtic world, from where the great god, Manannan Mac Lir, rules the sea.
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Subject: RE: (The loss of the) Ellan Vannin
and here is a summary of the entries in the BS-Quiz thread:
Posted By: GUEST,greg stephens 12-Jul-02 - 07:19 AM Thread Name: (The loss of the) Ellan Vannin Subject: RE: (The loss of the) Ellan Vannin These three boat names give a nice picture of the Isle of Man for those unfamiliar with the place. Snaefell is the highest hill/mountain/fell. Means Snow Fell (Old Norse, lots of Viking invaders). Tynwald is the litte hill at St Johns where the parliament has been meeting for more than a thousand years (compare other places called Dingwall, Thingvellir etc etc throughout the Scandinavian world, all meaning parliament place). Ben-my Chree means woman of my heart (Manx Gaelic, lots of Irish invaders). |
Subject: RE: Origins: Ellen Vannin From: Tam the man Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:16 PM Hugh Jones, for those who don't know was a member of the Spinners a folk group from England, however some people think that this song is Trad. Tam |
Subject: RE: Origins: Ellen Vannin From: Susanne (skw) Date: 05 Aug 05 - 05:51 PM Joe, Jim Dixon has posted the Spinners version right at the top of this thread! They sang it on 'More Folk at the Phil' (1965). |
Subject: RE: Origins: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Jon Date: 05 Aug 05 - 08:35 PM Joe, it appears I was a bit clumsy in correcting the DT version using my text. Jim Dixons (which I don't remember seeing before - have you combined threads?) version is better. Here is "my" version corrected: ELLAN VANNIN (Hugh Jones) Snaefell, Tyndwald and Ben-My-Chree, Fourteen ships have sailed the sea. Proudly bearing a Manx name, But there's one will never again Oh, Ellan Vannin, of the Isle of Man Company, Oh, Ellan Vannin, lost in the Irish Sea. At one a.m. in Ramsey Bay, Captain Teare was heard to say, "Our contract says deliver the mail, In this rough weather we must not fail." Ocean liners sheltered from the storm, Ellan Vannin on the waves was borne. Her hold was full and battened down, As she sailed toward far Liverpool town With her crew of twenty one Manxmen, Her passengers Liverpool business men. Farewell to Mona's Isle, Farewell, This little ship was bound for hell. Less than a mile from the bar lightship, By a mighty wave Ellan Vannin was hit. She sank in the waters of Liverpool Bay And there she lies until this day. Few Manxmen now remember The third day of the month December That terrible storm of Ninteen-O-Nine, Ellan Vannin sailed for the very last time. I suppose there could be variations in the way he or the Spinners did it but you are right, this one is taken from Hugh Jones' publication. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Phil Owens Date: 25 Jun 07 - 03:38 PM Here is a link to a streamed version of the song, but not by Hughie Jones of the Spinners http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=315026&songID=2202873 |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST,Phil Owens Date: 25 Jun 07 - 03:41 PM The version in the link I have just posted is by Ronnie Carthy - the link gives details of the album available and also offers the mp3 version for download for 99p. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Tattie Bogle Date: 28 Jul 07 - 06:33 AM Have just listened to the midi, and also to the Spinners' LP I have and there seems to be one note different: the word "bear(ing)" in the 3rd line of the verse is sharpened in the Spinners' recording, while in the midi it's a natural. (therefore need s a majot rather than minor chord). I guess the Spinners' version is the correct one, seeing that Hughie wrote it! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Jack Campin Date: 28 Jul 07 - 06:02 PM There is a totally different song "Ellen Vannin" with words by Eliza Craven Green and music by J. Townsend, in W.H. Gill's "Manx National Songs", 1896. Which one did the OP want? I can ABC the older one if needed. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Bru Date: 26 Aug 07 - 06:39 PM Ellan Vannin - written by Hugh Jones and recorded (live) by The Spinners around 1965. It gets a frequent airing in various keys in our local folk club. I do have an MP3 of the original recording if you're still looking for a copy of the song. Am Am G Am Am Am G Am Am D G E Am Am G Am Chorus A Am D Am D Am Am G Am A bit after the original request, but I've only just found the original post. Hope this helps. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: Bru Date: 27 Aug 07 - 06:02 AM Sorry - the chorus should be: D Am D Am D Am Am G Am |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 07 - 07:34 AM The song you know from the BeeGees version is the unofficial Manx National Anthem ("Ellan Vannin" -note the spelling - being the name of the Island in Manx) and is a Victorian ballad. The one about the loss of the ferry is a totally different song - I remember hearing the Spinners singing it at the Philharmonic Hall in the 60s. As I now live on the Isle of Man I hear both of them quite often at sessions. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: cetmst Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:54 PM The "Manx National Songs" referenced above contains the words and music to Eliza Craven Green/J.Townsend's song plus 50 other Manx songs with English words, many with Manx titles and Manx tunes. There is also a seven page paper entitled Manx Music by W. H. Gill, one of the editors and arranger. Manx National Songs with English Words, selected from the Ms, collection of The Deemster Gill, Dr. J. Clague & W. H. Gill, and arranged by W. H. Gill, Boosey and Company, London, 1896 |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Ellen Vannin From: cetmst Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:30 PM I have also miraculously recovered from my basement a 1971 E.M.I. recording (Starline SRS 5124) of electronically reprocessed music of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir (disbanded 1951) containing the Green/Townsend song Ellan Vannin, subtitled Dear Isle of Man |
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