BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:17 AM

As a former resident of Wyoming, I have to say "bullshit!" Other than that I agree with Charley.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:57 PM

Makes no sense. You'll have to explain that, Rig.

Bought by whom, and how did they do it?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:09 PM

Time to retire another political thread which has made its run.

There really isn't much point in trying to focus more attention of McCain's running mate. That what the McCain Campaign would like us to do rather than debate the issues.

I wish Biden well in his debate. He will have to be at his best to win, pin Palin in the spotlight like a deer at night on economic, environmental, and international issues of importance. But I bet the reviewers will be focused on what Palin is wearing and what kind of make-up she has on. Maybe Biden needs to dress in pink and gray!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:58 PM

"And your documentation for that allegation is. . . ?"


                     The results of the primary!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:44 PM

Stands tall is a joke... Yeah, maybe if yer a dumbass moose and she has a 30/06 she stands tall but other than that??? Heck, this ol' hillbilly would tear her her up in a debate so I'm really lookin' forward to Biden choppin' her up but...

...rememeber when Al Gore tore up Bush in 2000??? All the right winged media, which BTW is all media, declared that Bush had won???

Yep, Bush, who badly lost all the debates, was declared the winner???

Go figure???

So I reckon the media will agin grade on "a curve" and if McCain and Ms. Sarah show up to the debates with a friggin' pulse will be declared the winners and...

...the beat goes on...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:03 PM

"Idaho and Wyoming, and most places with caucuses where votes can be bought."

And your documentation for that allegation is. . . ?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 09:28 PM

"Really? And just what "obscure places" are you referring to, Rig?"


                Idaho and Wyoming, and most places with caucuses where votes can be bought.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:54 PM

"She [Clinton] wasn't formally vetted ..."

Formally, schmormally! I'd say having you and your husband investigated by an Independent Counsel, not to mention the muscle of the whole Republican Party, for over 8 years -- BEFORE you ever run for any office yourself -- that's pretty thorough "vetting." Plus, she was under intense scrutiny both times she ran for the US Senate seat for New York. All that before she declared herself a candidate for President. I still say Hillary Clinton's probably been the most investigated candidate for the Presidency in the last 50 years, if not in the history of our country.

"... Obama didn't necessarily have more support, he just had support from obscure places."

Obama raised a lot more money than Clinton ever did, without any donor giving more than $2,000. (Clinton had to lend her campaign several million of her own money and had to borrow a lot more which she still is having trouble paying back.)

And he got more votes, both from individual citizens and from Super Delegates, than Clinton did.   (Not to mention that Clinton had Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Republican voters voting for her in Democratic Primaries to try to make her the Dem nominee because they thought she'd be easier to defeat.)

PS,
In case you've overlooked it, in the US, people from "obscure places" are supposed to have their votes count the same as people from everywhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:29 PM

Really? And just what "obscure places" are you referring to, Rig?

Just curious.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:26 PM

Fact Checks on Palin Demagogueries

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:25 PM

A Pit Bull in Lipstick Who Lies...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:54 PM

She wasn't formally vetted, and that's what pissed everybody off. But Obama didn't necessarily have more support, he just had support from obscure places.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:34 PM

Hillary Clinton went through even more vetting than Obama, McCain, Biden, Giuliani, Romney, etc. She's been being "vetted" by the American media -- not to mention Kenneth Starr -- since at least early 1992.   And she got the votes of 18 million Americans for the Democratic Presidential nominee.
It's not that the voters rejected Clinton -- any more than her supporters necessarily "rejected" Obama (or Edwards or Biden or Kucinich, etc.). Obama just had more support.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:24 PM

"Sarah Palin did not go through that rigorous vetting process to become her party's VP nominee."


                   Hillary Clinton didn't either, and that's why Obama is behind in the polls right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:00 PM

Oh, and following up on Amos's comment about Palin's "free ride," let's remember this:

John McCain and Barack Obama both won their party's nominations by the vote of the electorate, after a lot of scrutiny by the media and attacks by their opponents. They have been thoroughly vetted and deemed qualified by many millions of voters.   

Sarah Palin did not go through that rigorous vetting process to become her party's VP nominee. In fact, by keeping her name out of the media's attention as someone on McCain's "short list," the Republicans shielded her from the sort of vetting that Tim Pawlenti, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and others on that "short list" got from the media and the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:54 PM

Ringslinger, it might be futile to ask you to look at qualifications objectively, but since the Democrats (IMNSHO) have not done such a great job of highlighting Obama's relevant eduction and experience, let me remind you of
Barack Obama's resumé.

His qualifications go far beyond 6 years in the Illinois Senate and 4 years in the US Senate - and way beyond Sarah Palin's. Arguably at least equal to and maybe beyond John McCain's, by virtue of his background in Constitutional Law plus his executive experience as a community organizer.   (McCain has military experience but no formal education in law and perhaps no executive or governmental experience except as a member of Congress.)

At any rate, Obama's resume clearly shows him to be as qualified for the Presidency as many of our former Presidents, including some very successful ones, have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:19 AM

I disagree profoundly, Rig, and I think derogatory thoughts in your general direction. The two are barely comparable, and Obama is far better prepared for his quest than she is for her free ride.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:56 AM

"The woman is a pretender, asserting preparedness she neither owns nor feels, because she thinks she will always be able to skate on the wisdom provided her by underlings smarter than she."


                  The problem is, and this is why she was such a great pick for McCain, she's every bit as prepared as Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:55 PM

Well said, Charlie!
[["Wouldn't blink" as a response to an international crisis, raises the question in my tiny brain of whether Palin "Wouldn't think" as well before acting. Her strategy may be entirely adequate for dealing with day to day crises in Alaska, but even when you are hunting moose (or jacking deer) you're supposed to look before you shoot.

I wonder what her trophy room back home looks like:

Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure bred Guernsey cow!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble]]

Note that Palin told the other Charlie (Gibson) that she immediately accepted McCain's offer to be his running mate because it was important for a leader "not to blink."
In other words, in her mind taking the time to think it over or talk it over would have constituted "blinking."   
Don't discuss what the job would require of her. Don't pause to reflect on whether you're qualified or whether it's best for you and your family for you to take on such awesome responsibilites at this time.   Nope. Just go with your first instinct and never back down.

Yup, that's really what I'm looking for in a Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces.

Genie

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:48 PM

"'We cannot blink' is a beauty tip when applying mascara, not a foreign policy position."
Brava!!
LOL

Genie

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 06:10 PM

Bonzo3 legs---what can one say but---God Save the Queen---and finance her family.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:43 PM

McCain has thrown red meat to the religious right. Or should I say pork?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:38 PM

The woman is a pretender, asserting preparedness she neither owns nor feels, because she thinks she will always be able to skate on the wisdom provided her by underlings smarter than she.

This is a lousy approach to the fate of the nation.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:22 PM

Charley, someone should take a string and measure the distance from Chicago and New York to Moscow.

They will find out they are closer than Anchorage

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:13 PM

Has anyone told you that in England, we are sick to death of your sodding election, and the peabrains involved?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM

Bingo, Charlie.   And she sees nothing wrong in that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:09 PM

"Wouldn't blink" as a response to an international crisis, raises the question in my tiny brain of whether Palin "Wouldn't think" as well before acting. Her strategy may be entirely adequate for dealing with day to day crises in Alaska, but even when you are hunting moose (or jacking deer) you're supposed to look before you shoot.

I wonder what her trophy room back home looks like:

Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure bred Guernsey cow!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 08:19 AM

Clara, of Kansas City, a poster on MSNBC, says: " ' We cannot blink' is a beauty tip when applying mascara, not a foreign policy position."

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:24 AM

...she responded that she "wouldn't blink" but would recommend a military response....

She wants to be known as The Bang-Bang Gal?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:02 AM

Ringslinger, when anyone is a candidate for VP, they need to be qualified to assume the duties of President from day one. We've had at least 2 VPs who have had to take over as President in less than 2 months after Inauguration Day and another who became President less than 6 months after being Inaugurated.   And John McCain is 72 with recurrent malignant melanoma.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:12 AM

Ah, thanks for the correction, Alice. I should have remembered that correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:35 AM

Kat, Obama did not teach at Harvard. He graduated from Harvard Law School and was President of the Harvard Law Review. He taught at the University of Chicago Law School.

From his resume,
1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer, in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Taught courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law, on voting rights, and on racism and law. Helped develop a casebook on voting rights.

Obama's resume is online here:

http://obamasresume.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:42 PM

She did get a degree in Journalism, doesn't that amount to something.


Bush W also had no foregin policy experience or knowledge of, & he had to go it by using the learning curve method. Sarah will do it just as well (couldn't do it any worst,,,Oh No). Obiviously, governing a state as big as Texas doen't qualify anyone either, has more football players than Alaska but does it have more oil?


Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:45 PM

Good thing he's got enough money to stay out of Walter Reed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:56 PM

She's running for second position behind a geriatric cancer patient.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:32 PM

But, of course, she's not running for president.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM

A number of our Presidents, including some of our best ones, have never had executive experience as an elected official.
(You can debate whether things like being a military officer, directing a large political campaign or Congressional staff, running a private business, or even running a volunteer organization or voter registration project "count" as "executive experience," but Palin's supporters seem to be elevating elected office above those sorts of experience in handling budgets, overseeing and directing staff, and making strategy decisions.)

But given the responsibilites and duties of our Chief Executive -- which include making major decisions affecting foreign relations, the interior, labor and business relations, internal and international economy, and upholding the US Constitution -- I think any unbiased observer would say that experience on the NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL scene is at least as important as having prior elected office as an executive. Not all our Presidents have had military experience, not all have studied or practiced law - much less, Constitutional Law, not all have legislative experience, not all have lived or traveled abroad or had to deal much with foreign relations, and not all have held elected political office.   
I guess, other things being equal, the ideal candidate would have all those qualifications, but none of our "top 4" does this year.   
~McCain has military experience.
~McCain and Biden have the longest government experience.
~McCain, Biden, and Obama all have 4 years or more national governmental experience.
~Palin and Biden both have governmental executive experience (Biden served on the County Council of Newcastle Co., Delaware).
~Biden, McCain, and Obama all have experience living or travelling in countries outside North America and have experience dealing with foreign relations issues as Senators.
~Biden and Obama both have law degrees and have studied and taught Constitutional Law.

Considering all this, how can anyone seriously say that Palin places anywhere but at the bottom of the list when it comes to the kinds of experience and education that would give you the skills AND KNOWLEDGE/UNDERSTANDING important to being our nation's Chief Executive?

Sure, you can be briefed on where various countries are and who their current leaders are, maybe even get a crash course in key areas of international conflict.   But a few weeks or months of coaching will not compensate for having been involved in decision-making at the national and international level for several years or more.

Palin's focus over the past decade has been - perhaps rightly - on "What's best for Alaska?" Not sure how well that's prepared her for shifting to "What's best for the USA?"

Yes, we have had state Governors who've become President, and some have done a very good job. But the successful ones have pretty much all either been Governor of a big state with a politically diverse population (e.g., New York, Ohio, or California), had substantial military experience, and/or had law degrees and experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 06:07 PM

"Palin...just another Desperate Housewife" (courtesy of my Rog for that one! You saw it here, first!) never taught ten years of constitutional law at Harvard University of Chicago Law School, never served in Congress, never did anything for the poor and disenfranchised of a city population bigger than Alaska's.. etc., etc., there is no contest between her CV and Obama's.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 06:01 PM

The real question for Sarah to answer re: standing up for Georgia, and how far she would do that----and I don't think it was dealt with by Charlie Gibson--is exactly what her view is of the "end times". The church she belonged to for 20 years believed strongly in this idea, which is " the days preceding a world-ending cataclysm bringing Christian redemption and the second coming of Jesus" (WSJ 4 Sept 2008). Since, according to that church, of course good Christians would welcome the Second Coming, they would also not be totally averse to the world-ending cataclysm which precedes it--in fact they believe that this cataclysm is inevitable.

As David Gushee, a Christian ethicist at Mercer University in Atlanta, notes, it would be good for Gov. Palin to explain her beliefs about the inevitable world-ending catastrophe and the end of time. "To me it is highly relevant to someone who potentially has her hand on the nuclear button. If that is her world-view, I would want to know about that."

She should also be asked about another view of the pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God, her church for 20 years".   "I believe criticisms come from hell. God has placed this man in authority" ( GWB is the man meant here.) "You criticize the authority, you're literally bringing in hell with the criticism."

They raked Obama over the coals for Rev Wright, and he totally rejected Rev Wright's outlandish views. Let's see how far she believes what she heard at Wasilla Assembly of God.

Normally religion and politics should be separated as much as possible. But these issues bring religion right into politics--and must be addressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:58 PM

PDQ, I asked the same question about Chalie Gibson not interviewing Joe Biden -- but from the opposite point of view.   
How come Sarah Palin gets 2 or more nights in prime time, plus Nightline, to answer questions from a network anchor/interviewer and demonstrate his knowledge, judgment, views, and readiness to be VP or even step in as President if need be?

I'll bet Joe would jump at the chance.

G

PS,
Yes, I know Sarah Palin is a "new face." But most of the country doesn't know Joe Biden all that well, either -- any more than they know most of the 100 US Senators.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:41 PM

Don't worry, be happy, Amos...

The "October Surprise" is going to be when the up-until-now-secret nude photographs of Ms. Sarah become less secret... lol...

But really... Time and issues are on Obama's side and he's just ratcheting up the pressure on McCain... Ms.Sarah's star is going to fade and when people realize that she is a Pentecostal nutball who doesn't believe whet they believe then buyer's remorse will set in...

The debates will settle this and Obama is alot smarter than John McCain... I don't know why people think that John McCain is this great debater... He hasn't shown me anything...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:24 PM

"there are reasons to believe the Georgia situation was orchestrated....". Look, I support Obama to the hilt--but I'd like to know what these "reasons to believe" are--aside from something similar to a song-- by Tim Hardin? Rod Stewart did a great job on the song also.

We've just been through a rather lengthy exploration of the "Scheunemann theory", which holds that Scheunemann, advisor to both Georgia and McCain, "engineered" Georgia's attempt in August 2008 to drag its erstwhile provinces back into the fold.

That thread unfortunately dissolved into two esteemed Mudcatters hurling profanities at each other, so the thread was closed.   However, if anybody has any actual evidence--, as distinguished from amorphous upset-stomach dark imaginings, in the grand tradition of conspiracy theories so beloved by many Mudcatters--it would be very welcome to hear such evidence. Up to now there has been precisely zero evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:03 PM

You are sadly deluded, there pal. Obama has walked the walk. He has years of constitutional study and teaching under his belt. He knows from first hand observation what life is like all over the country and the world. Don't give me that crtap about relevant experience; it is pure, desperate BS. A first term governor of a state with very small population? Ptui.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: pdq
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:39 PM

"...more seasoned candidates such as McKain or Obama"

Nice try, sneakin' that one in, but Obama has no more relavant experience than does Sarah Palin, spin it as you will. McCain was judged by a recent poll as being seasoned enough to be president by 80% of the public. Obama got 47% approval in that area. Biden did better but he is not the one running for president, it's the other guy on the ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: heric
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

It should have been a cakewalk for Gibson, but he failed to reveal what he was clearly hoping to reveal, and what we all expected. Score 3 out of 10.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM

No one should be surprised that the media is beginning to ask questions with regard to Palin's understanding of national and international issues, and her reasoning with regard to her views. And she certainly didn't do very well compared with more seasoned candidates such as McKain or Obama, and I wouldn't expect her to do as well as Biden.

But maybe she'll carry McKain to victory with a tide of support from marginal voters who also don't understand national and international issues but like someone who "represents them."

Republicans, take comfort where you may. Just don't whine about the media being unfair.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: heric
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:00 PM

You know who would have been excellent for this task is Teri Gross of NPR, who never shows personal agression, but instead introduces tough questions with "There are some who would say. . . . "

Perhpas Gibson was feeling diminished at having been approved by the McCain team.

Even our local NPR interviewer, Tom Fudge, would have been infinitely superior.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:19 PM

There are reasons to believe that the Georgia situation was orchestrated to give the Republicans an "October surprise", albeit in September. Sort of like "Saddam, good buddy, go ahead and invade Kuwait, we'll back you..."

Some tinpot dictators never learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: pdq
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:51 PM

Why doesn't Joe Biden have to face the same grilling that the Alaska governor is getting? He is one of the most partisan members of Congress and is known for his relentless attacking of people. He has a very difficult time when he has to explain what he stands for because he always frames his opinions in the form of personal attacks on people who have a different point of view from his.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM

"I've gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might actually prevail."


                     And it certainly will, if Obama wins the election.