BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:16 PM

Define "free trade", GfinS... Your words, please... This oughtta be fun...

BTW, NAFTA wasn't on progressives... Liberals weren't for it at the time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:46 PM

I was invited to go to the '68 Convention and protest/sing, but I refused to work on behalf of the Yippee group, and since they invited me I declined. The man I supported in that election year was Eugene McCarthy. Mary told me she liked the campaign song I wrote for her dad best of all. That alone made it worth writing.

Until McCarthy showed in the primary elections for the Democratic Party that a peace candidate had a chance, he was alone. Indeed, Kilroy was there. (One of McCarthy's poems is today included in high school poetry texts: "Kilroy was here.") The title of the poem has itself an interesting history, likely unknown to most Americans.

However, the boondoggles of the past have accumulated, and now the once best-hope country in this world is beginning to fall--if it hasn't already--into the hands of moneyed people, and what was once a proud and important Republic is fast turning into another tin-pot 'democracy' with little left but its weapons and bluster. I hope you Yanks know what you're doing. It sure doesn't look so to most of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:46 PM

Altho Carter has risen in the publics esteem since (and because?) he left office I am not always impressed on his opinions, whether it's his bias against Isreal or Obama. So he won't influecne MY voie

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:32 PM

"It would be refreshing to see something similar from Republican ex-presidents, but hell ain't froze over yet. "

You have to cut the last GOP ex-President some slack for not criticizing the sitting GOP President. He'd be sniping at his son.

I guess you have to give the most recent Ex some credit for not going after Obama. Well maybe not. It would just remind people how we got in this mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:22 PM

Bobert: ""Right to work" = Right to live poor...
The per capita income in those states is 70% of non right-to-work states..."

Are you addressing an issue??..or trying to pull another diversion, and not address the issue???

'Free Trade' does the SAME thing to the unions...what are you missing, here?....Rockefeller/Clinton gave us that one....to benefit the '1%ers'.

Here...try it again:

"BTW, if the Democrats are so much for the unions, and are against 'free trade' states, and 'right to work' laws...how in the hell do they justify North American FREE TRADE Agreement, with Mexico???? Are you thinking that when an employer hires an illegal alien, that the worker joins a union?????
That's what happens when you listen to politicians speaking out of both sides of their mouths!
Nafta got Clinton elected the first time, when he was approached by Rockefeller, when he was, then Governor of Arkansas...it was for the '1%ers'....He also signed Glass-Steagal, for the '1%ers'...and Obama sent Immelt to China, for the '1%ers'..the multinational corporations...Now you want us to believe that you are against the '1%ers'...when your party has screwed this country catering to them????????????????....Now, those are FACTS..don't bother countering with unsupported talking points and accusations of Tea party this or that!...and I already know that the Republicans have been doing the same...TWO WRONGS don't make a 'right', nor excuse the behavior of the other!!!!!!........THOSE policies, and the war, have done more to fuck up this country, politically, financially, and cause divisions between Americans, both parties, who normally, are pretty good people. We need people to stand up, and represent themselves, if the parties won't, in lieu of 'special interests'...neither party is doing it!
Oh, and another BTW..Chicago, 1968, Democratic Convention..who were the protesters protesting??..Why???..What side were YOU sympathetic with??...Why???
Some things never change...only the rationalizations!!
.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 05:40 PM

It would be refreshing to see something similar from Republican ex-presidents, but hell ain't froze over yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 05:39 PM

I would hope that Democrats feel enough love for their country to disagree with any leader who does stuff that is morally repugnant, and that includes when the leader is Obama. We know for sure that the Republicans have zero love for either their country or the notion of democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 04:08 PM

I think it was Will Rogers who said, "I'm not a member of any particularly organized political party... I'm a Democrat..." Dems tend to have a larger tent and therefore, a lot more differences within the party...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 04:06 PM

FFS - pause: breathe: construct grammatical sentences: examine the logical structures of what you say: breathe again: rewrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 02:58 PM

Ooops!!! Would anyone care to wager that President Carter will not vote for President Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:43 PM

And perhaps it should be explained to him that for loyal, patriotic, respectful Americans. It is "President Obama" and the President's name is not to be used as a curse word.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:41 PM

I think that Sawzaw needs two things explained to him. The first is singular vs plural. Jimmy Carter is only one Democrat. The second is the difference between "distancing and criticizing." Would anyone care to wager that Carter will not vote for Obama or support him on other issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:23 PM

"Right to work" = Right to live poor...

The per capita income in those states is 70% of non right-to-work states...

Might of fact, you can trace the stagnation of the working class's wages to Reagan busting the Air Traffic Controllers union which signaled to every Boss Hog out there that it was not only open season on unions but that the government would help... Which it did and continues to do...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:13 PM

Well, I wasn't, and am still not a fan of Carter, either..but the FACT remains, for whatever reason, Democrats ARE distancing themselves from Obama...so much, I think there may be a good chance that he'll run with Hillary, instead of Joe Biden. it is widely reported that the two don't really like each other, but I think he's do it, just to get the women's vote...similar to pandering to the 'Latino' vote...I mean, Obama 'racial' and 'gender profiling'???....well, I guess to get a vote, why not?...but to enforce a law??...Nawww!!
BTW, if the Democrats are so much for the unions, and are against 'free trade' states, and 'right to work' laws...how in the hell do they justify North American FREE TRADE Agreement, with Mexico???? Are you thinking that when an employer hires an illegal alien, that the worker joins a union?????
That's what happens when you listen to politicians speaking out of both sides of their mouths!
Nafta got Clinton elected the first time, when he was approached by Rockefeller, when he was, then Governor of Arkansas...it was for the '1%ers'....He also signed Glass-Steagal, for the '1%ers'...and Obama sent Immelt to China, for the '1%ers'..the multinational corporations...Now you want us to believe that you are against the '1%ers'...when your party has screwed this country catering to them????????????????....Now, those are FACTS..don't bother countering with unsupported talking points and accusations of Tea party this or that!...and I already know that the Republicans have been doing the same...TWO WRONGS don't make a 'right', nor excuse the behavior of the other!!!!!!........THOSE policies, and the war, have done more to fuck up this country, politically, financially, and cause divisions between Americans, both parties, who normally, are pretty good people. We need people to stand up, and represent themselves, if the parties won't, in lieu of 'special interests'...neither party is doing it!
Oh, and another BTW..Chicago, 1968, Democratic Convention..who were the protesters protesting??..Why???..What side were YOU sympathetic with??...Why???
Some things never change...only the rationalizations!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:44 PM

Or the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:06 PM

Carter should be acutely aware that under the guidance of every President since Truman the CIA has uniformly overridden and setaside the moral, ethical and legal guidelines that once informed the Constitution of the United States. Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Kennedy. Carter was the only one who tried to steer the madness back toward the polestar of decency but he did not succeed. This is partly because the CIA has been riddled with screaming psychos ever since the days of Wild Bill Donovan. Under Bush, driven by the melodrama of the 9-11 attacks, the CIA grew into a monstrosity of human abuse, of which Abu Ghraib was the tip of the iceberg.

Sawx, as usual, is being blinded by the light.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 11:44 AM

And electing a Republican president would: -

(a) increase a tendency towards totalitarianism? or
(b) decrease such a tendency?

Take a reality pill!

Subject: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:59 AM

Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'
ABC News

A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the "widespread abuse of human rights" by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

Jimmy Carter, America's 39 th president, denounced the Obama administration for "clearly violating" 10 of the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, writing in a New York Times op-ed on Monday that the "United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights."

"Instead of making the world safer, America's violation of international human rights abets our enemies and alienates our friends," Carter wrote.

While the total number of attacks from unmanned aircraft, or drones, and the resulting casualties are murky, the New America Foundation estimates that in Pakistan alone 265 drone strikes have been executed since January 2009 . Those strikes have killed at least 1,488 people, at least 1,343 of them considered militants, the foundation estimates based on news reports and other sources.

In addition to the drone strikes, Carter criticized the current president for keeping the Guantanamo Bay detention center open, where prisoners "have been tortured by waterboarding more than 100 times or intimidated with semiautomatic weapons, power drills or threats to sexually assault their mothers."

The former president blasted the government for allowing "unprecedented violations of our rights to privacy through warrantless wiretapping and government mining of our electronic communications."

He also condemned recent legislation that gives the president the power to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely, although a federal judge blocked the law from taking effect for any suspects not affiliated with the September 11 terrorist attacks.

"This law violates the right to freedom of expression and to be presumed innocent until proved guilty, two other rights enshrined in the declaration," Carter said.

While Carter never mentioned Obama by name, he called out "our government" and "the highest authorities in Washington," and urged "concerned citizens" to "persuade Washington to reverse course and regain moral leadership."