BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM

I'm sure that TeaPublican stonewalling, obstruction,
procedural tricks, and Mega-Corporate lobbying have absolutely NOTHING to do with the failure to "end those tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas" - or is he supposed to do this by Executive Order?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:55 AM

Romney's new slogan:

BELIEVE IN AMERICA. BANK IN THE CAYMANS.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:20 AM

Elections have consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 12:20 AM

Sawzaw: "During his run for president in 2008, Obama promised to "end those tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas." It was a pledge he made repeatedly on the campaign trail."

He made lot's of 'promises', as far as keeping them, that's why, "Democrats distance themselves from Obama"...other than 60% of the American people disapprove of Obamacare ..and they now have to think about being re-elected! If the election of 2010 didn't teach them to listen to the American people, maybe this one will!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:32 PM

Obama promised to "end those tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas."

Obama's record on outsourcing draws criticism from the left
Washington Post

Barack Obama promised voters four years ago that he would work to slow the outflow of American jobs to other countries, proposing to revamp a federal tax code that encourages companies to maintain overseas operations.

Obama as president has continued to call for rewriting the rules that allow U.S. corporations to avoid paying taxes for a time on income generated overseas. But the broad tax changes have not happened.

While White House officials say they have been waiting on Congress to act, Obama's critics, primarily on the political left, say he has repeatedly failed in other ways to protect American jobs from being moved overseas. They point to a range of actions they say he should have taken: confronting China, reining in unfettered trade and reworking a U.S. visa program that critics say ends up sending high-tech jobs abroad.

The issue of overseas outsourcing has returned to the center of the presidential campaign, with Obama hammering the record of Mitt Romney's financial company. The debate intensified in recent weeks with Obama's campaign attacking his Republican rival after a Washington Post article reported that Romney's private-equity firm, Bain Capital, had invested in companies that specialized in helping other firms relocate work overseas.

American jobs have been shifting to low-wage countries for years, and the trend has continued during Obama's presidency. From 2008 to 2010, U.S. trade with China alone cost about 450,000 American jobs because of the growth of Chinese exports, said Robert E. Scott, a pro-labor advocate at the liberal Economic Policy Institute. That figure was less than in previous years, but the decrease was probably tied to the U.S. economic slowdown, which crimped demand for imports.

"I think he has walked away from the campaign commitments," said Scott, the institute's director of trade and manufacturing policy research. "He has done far too little to improve U.S. trade."

According to a study by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, large American companies in 2010 barely added any workers in the United States, increasing their numbers by 0.1 percent, while they expanded their foreign workforce by 1.5 percent. That was business as usual — between 2004 and 2010, the bureau reported, foreign affiliates hired 2 million workers while 600,000 were added by the companies at home.

White House defense

White House officials say Obama has fought to slow the movement of jobs overseas, even when that meant confronting difficult political opponents and powerful global economic forces.

"The president could not have been more emphatic about his vision for trying to eliminate the incentives for offshoring and increase incentives to create jobs here," said Brian Deese, deputy director of Obama's National Economic Council. "We have tried to use all the tools available to us to make creative administrative changes where we can to discourage offshoring."

During his run for president in 2008, Obama promised to "end those tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas." It was a pledge he made repeatedly on the campaign trail.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 03:01 PM

Well go look for it..I started the premise...but have to go..(snuck in a couple of minutes to post that)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:16 PM

Still waiting for the in-depth analysis of the Affordable Health Care Act...let alone a viable alternative.
Well, we knew that promise was pure deranged bluster anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 09:17 AM

Chameleon Democrats:

"Democrats keeping their distance from Mr. Obama are being encouraged, not shunned, by party leaders, who believe that each candidate needs to do what is necessary for his or her own political survival. But the tactic will take a toll on attendance at the party's convention in Charlotte. A growing number of Democrats in close races have announced that they won't attend."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 04:19 PM

I know that some of you are slow to recognize obvious truths, that I've been telling you, but Stringsiger's list...:

"1. Unnecessary violations of the Constitution. Ignoring "habeas corpus".
2. Invading countries not only with "unwinable" wars but immoral ones.
3. Kowtowing to oil companies who are despoiling US landscapes.
4. Going back on campaign promises.
(How do you know a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.)
5. Taking single-payer off the table.
6. Making nice with the GOP who is out to hurt him."

....sounds more like Bush...but what the hell, does it matter?
As long as there is a 'D' or 'R' after their name, you think there is a difference....In reality.."you all got fooled again!!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 08:45 PM

Send a few $$$s to Alan Grayson, ya'll...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 08:38 PM

I think that they support some things that the president has done to a certain degree but not everything. Why should they?

Supporting the good things such as insuring those who would not be otherwise insured should be commended but there are other factors.

1. Unnecessary violations of the Constitution. Ignoring "habeas corpus".
2. Invading countries not only with "unwinable" wars but immoral ones.
3. Kowtowing to oil companies who are despoiling US landscapes.
4. Going back on campaign promises.
(How do you know a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.)
5. Taking single-payer off the table.
6. Making nice with the GOP who is out to hurt him.

These are for-starters.

Of course, Romney (RoboCorp) would be worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 06:24 PM

Sorry, Rep Lewis.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 06:23 PM

Don't Senators Sanders and Lewis support The President?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 06:00 PM

No it's the other way around. Democrats are distancing themselves from democracy and Obama is distancing himself from Democrats.

My favorite senator is neither a Dem or Repub. He's America's senator.
Regrettably, he has the initials B.S. :) That's the opposite of what he does and who he is.

There's also John Lewis of Georgia.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 05:45 PM

Refuseniks is propaganda...

They have been told to stay home and campaign... They are obey-niks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 05:29 PM

Democratic convention dropouts: the growing band of Obama refuseniks
The Guardian

Some high-profile Democrats are citing tight races and the need for distance from Obama in skipping Charlotte convention.

When Obama addressed the Democratic convention in Denver four years ago, it was one of the hottest tickets in the nation.

Mitt Romney's campaign team has moved to capitalize on announcements by some Democratic members of Congress they intend to skip the party's high-profile September convention.

When Barack Obama addressed the Democratic convention in Denver four years ago, it was one of the hottest tickets in the nation. But this year's convention is already shaping up as less of a draw.

At least nine members of Congress, including one of Obama's earliest and most enthusiastic supporters, Claire McCaskill, have already announced they will not be attending. In addition to non-attendance by some politicians, the convention organizers are $27m short [oh bummer] of the $36m estimated cost of holding the event, prompting cancellations of planned events.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 05:33 PM

It could be worse.

What if he had the Wall Street Journal demanding his economic policies?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 05:09 PM

Good politics for House and Senate Dems to stay home in their districts... No need to give the Repubs any cheap shots about these folks having a merry time in a sluggish economy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 04:07 PM

99 +1

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 04:06 PM

"Elvis and originality have left the room!"

THAT'S original!!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:59 PM

Elvis and originality have left the room!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:22 PM

Fracking full of gas!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:07 PM

Look who's talking about being full of gas!!!

The Goodyear blimp doesn't have that much gas!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 02:43 PM

Actually, from what I hear not only the Democrats distance themselves from Obama...everyone is. Michelle feeds him that stuff that gives him tremendous gas!!
No need for a pipeline there!!...or fracking for natural gas!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 02:42 PM

Bugger off. No one is making you read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 02:34 PM

Here's a typical Mudcat political discussion.

Try and figure out which one is the Democrat and which one is the Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 12:26 PM

"Continues to grow" describes an ongoing trend. Saying the same thing three weeks later is meaningless. It denotes scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to post.

In short, Old news isn't news.

You know, I remembered why I don't read your posts. The arrogance is tolerable. The intentional ignorance is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 12:06 PM

Almost a nice cover story.....Do you think you and her got dizzy trying to relay it to non-idiots?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 08:36 AM

DNC chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, has suggested that these folks stay home in their districts and campaign... It election strategy and not a slight...

Nothing to see here, folks... Go home...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 02:57 AM

Scroll down a little further in the thread, and you'd see that I posted a very similar article....and then you nitpick him for the date???
Is the information correct ..or not?....Whether you like it or not, the info IS correct!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 01:21 AM

Why not cut and paste the whole thing?

Like the date?

Jun 26, 2012 6:21pm
List of Democrats Skipping the Party's National Convention Continues to Grow

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 12:17 AM

Maybe they'd attend, if Obama gives them an Obamacare waiver!!!....or a bunch of our tax money!!..It's has always worked for the other Democrats!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 10:04 PM

List of Democrats Skipping the Party's National Convention Continues to Grow
ABC

There may be some extra hotel space in Charlotte, N. C. come the beginning of September, as several Democratic elected officials have announced that they will not be attending the Democratic National Convention this year.

Earlier today, Talking Points Memo reported that Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill will not be attending the convention, becoming the third Democratic senator, and eighth Democratic member of Congress, to opt out of the event.

Late Tuesday she tweeted, " Whole lot of nothing over me campaigning w/Mo folks instead of going to convention w/party honchos. Bet POTUS agrees with my decision."

Several of the elected officials who have decided to forgo the convention hail from places where Obama is unpopular; West Virginia's Democratic House Rep. Nick Rahall, Sen. Joe Manchin and its governor, Earl Ray Tomblin, have all announced they're not going. Obama's low popularity in the state is perhaps best exemplified by the strong performance of prison inmate Keith Russell Judd in the state's Democratic presidential primary. Other elected Democrats not going include Rep. Jim Matheson of Utah and Sen. Jon Tester of Montana.

McCaskill is in the same boat as her colleagues from West Virginia, Utah and Montana, in the sense that she hails from a state where Obama is unpopular- a Gallup poll from Janury, 2012 put his approval rating in the state at just 39 percent- and she faces a tough re-election campaign this cycle.

However, her decision to stay away is significant because she was an early endorser of Obama in 2008, and a big surrogate for his campaign. Obama narrowly lost Missouri in 2008– but by a margin of less than one percentage point– making it one of the closest states in the general election. "You can't underestimate the importance of Claire McCaskill to this campaign," senior Obama campaign adviser Anita Dunn said at the time. This cycle, ABC News rates the state as solidly Republican.

Democrats are not alone, Republican elected officials have opted not to attend this year's GOP convention in Tampa Bay, Fla. as well. Recently, Montana Rep. and GOP Senate nominee Denny Rehberg announced he would not be attending. Rehberg has been distancing himself to some degree from the Republican congress, he recently ran an ad in which he criticized Paul Ryan's budget proposal.

Party leaders skipping their party's conventions is not an entirely new phenomenon: Claire McCaskill has actually skipped her party's convention before, in 2004. In 2008 several GOP senators facing re-election including Susan Collins of Maine skipped out on the festivities in Minnesota.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:54 PM

Our Congressman, Mike McIntyre, calls himself a Democrat too but he is as Republican as you are Sawz.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:39 PM

Ahhhh, my congressman... He's a Repub in sheep's clothing... End of non story...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:07 PM

Democrat Kissell bucks party on votes, won't back Obama
Charlotte Observer

8th District congressman also said he doesn't plan to endorse Obama for re-election and isn't sure he'll attend his party's national convention in Charlotte.

    The two Republican candidates who want to take on Democratic Rep. Larry Kissell have each gotten a boost.

    Richard Hudson Monday won the endorsement of former Arkansas governor and GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.

    Last week, Scott Keadle got nearly $200,000 from the conservative Club for Growth, which so far has put more than $716,000 into his campaign. Keadle has also invested another $50,000 of his money. Jim Morrill

Democratic U.S. Rep. Larry Kissell, whose rural North Carolina district has become even more Republican, is bucking his party again in two high-profile congressional votes.

Last week, Kissell was one of 17 Democrats who voted with Republicans to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal contempt of Congress. And next week, he plans to vote with them again to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law.

"I've heard from hundreds and hundreds of people from my district about their opposition to the health care law," Kissell told the Observer Monday. "I voted against it originally and I will vote to repeal it.

Kissell also said he doesn't plan to endorse Obama for re-election and isn't sure he'll attend his party's national convention in Charlotte.

Kissell represents the 8th District, which runs from Mecklenburg County to Robeson County. Last year's redistricting added heavily Republican areas of Rowan, Davidson and Randolph counties while removing thousands of Democratic voters in Charlotte and Fayetteville.

Redrawn districts have helped make him and Rep. Mike McIntyre of Robeson County – who also voted to find Holder in contempt – two of the most vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the country.

Thursday's vote on Holder wasn't the first time Kissell had bucked his party since being elected in 2008.

In 2009 he was one of 39 House Democrats who voted against the health care bill, which passed by just five votes. He also voted against a Democratic cap-and-trade bill designed to reduce global warming. One pro-health care group ran online ads with his picture and the word "Betrayal."

These votes are sparking outrage, too. "It doesn't sit well with me at all; I will never support him again," said Ralph Bostic, former Democratic chairman in Kissell's home, Montgomery County. "… He needs to change his party …. That's the way he votes."

But some Democrats say Kissell is doing what he needs to do in a conservative district.

"Larry Kissell continues to win the support of both Democrats and Republicans because he has been an independent voice for North Carolina families focused on creating jobs and fighting Republicans' efforts to deeply cut Medicare," said Stephanie Formas, a spokeswoman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

As a sign of support, the DCCC has reserved $1.1 million in TV advertising for Kissell, she said.

That's almost as much as the $1.2 million the National Republican Congressional Committee has reserved to defeat him, said spokeswoman Andrea Bozek.

"While Larry Kissell can try to have an epiphany and try to run away from the president, he has a clear record of voting with President Obama's job-destroying policies," she said.

The Holder vote, the first time a sitting Cabinet member has ever been found in contempt, was prompted by the attorney general's refusal to respond to a subpoena to release emails and memos related to Operation Fast and Furious, a botched gun-running investigation. The president has invoked executive privilege to block the subpoena.

Many angry House Democrats walked out during the vote.

Kissell said he's not concerned about opinions of party leadership, and that his vote for contempt of Holder was about the need for transparency.

"I hated that it came to that," he said. "We did not have answers …. We have a dead border guard. We have a program that didn't work. We have guns that are still missing. And we need answers."

McIntyre, of Lumberton, is also running in a more Republican district. He said the vote on Holder was about getting to the bottom of the case, not party politics. "A law enforcement officer lost his life," he said. "His family and we all want answers as to what went wrong and how this tragedy happened."

One group pressuring members of Congress to vote for contempt: the National Rifle Association.

The gun-rights group had put lawmakers on notice that the vote would factor into the scorecard that determines its endorsements, and financial help.

"We told members of Congress that we were going to score the contempt vote because we want the truth out," spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said Monday.

Kissell, who has gotten $11,900 from the NRA's political action committee, said the group did not influence his decision.

Some analysts say Kissell's votes against Holder and health care should help him with independents and even Republican voters.

"Neither Larry Kissell nor Mike McIntyre will be the deciding vote on any of these votes," said David Wasserman of the Cook Political Report. "Republicans can pass whatever they want through the House. … What (Kissell) needs are Republican cross-over support. The only way you get that is by bucking your own party."

On health care, Kissell explained why he plans to vote for repeal on July 11. "Constitutional or not, the health care bill cut Medicare and placed undue burdens on our small businesses," he said.

Republicans Scott Keadle and Richard Hudson, who meet July 17 in an 8th District runoff, both point to a January vote where Kissell voted against repealing the health care law.

"This law is not perfect," Kissell said at the time. "We have a choice: we can look backward and have the same fight all over again, or we can move forward determined to make things better and focus on our economy. I choose to look forward and work to make things better."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jul 12 - 11:06 AM

I think America's greatest enemies are ALEC, DHS, FEMA, ICE, CIA, Wall Street, Monsanto and Congress. Once a people trade a perceived form of security for their civil rights, they are doomed. It has been done by too many Americans. Hell, even state legislatures are beginning to stifle scientific research and results that disagree with what they want to hear. If the coming election is won by the Republicans, America is history. When a people get so dumbed down as to believe political garbage like Romney, Palin and Bachmann, what hope is there for tomorrow? I do not hate America. I do despise what it has become with the help of its media/television.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 12 - 03:21 AM

I wish both parties would distance themselves from the Federal Reserve!! Then we might possibly have a two party system.......as if we needed one!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: pdq
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 09:10 AM

Obama Wins $350B Senate TARP Vote

By JONATHAN KARL
Jan. 15, 2009

In a decisive and hard-fought victory for President-elect Barack Obama, the Senate cleared the way today for Obama's incoming administration to spend the second $350 billion of the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

A measure to block the funds was voted down 42 to 52 after an intense lobbying campaign by the Obama economic team and by Obama himself.

Just hours before the vote, Obama economic adviser Larry Summers wrote a letter promising the Senate that the Obama administration would take specific steps to ensure the money is spent more responsibly and with more transparency than the Bush Administration spent the first $350 billion in TARP cash.

Obama also telephoned several senators before the vote, offering his personal assurances that the money would be used for its intended purposes of freeing up the credit markets and addressing the foreclosure crisis.

It was a tough sell. The bailout program has never been popular, and there has been widespread outrage in Congress over the way the Bush administration has spent the first $350 billion.

Six Republicans voted to release the funds, including Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate.

"I know that this is not a popular decision," Kyl said. "But I believe in the long run this program will help to keep our economy from collapsing. It will eventually help it to recover and that will benefit every Arizonan and every American."

But the overwhelming majority of Republicans, and eight Democrats, voted to block the funds.

"Americans intuitively know that what we're doing here is wrong," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.. "All of us know that we have to pay it back, our children, our grandchildren, for generations to come, with a lower standard of living and incredibly high taxes and a devalued currency."

In a stark change from his position just three months ago, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who had suspended his presidential campaign to help pass the TARP program in the first place, also voted to block the funds.

Obama's personal lobbying efforts were decisive for many Democrats.

"I will vote for this and I will do it because of the assurances I got from the president-elect himself that it will be different, that he will use these funds judiciously," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.

"I felt a little bit like after the last one, like Charlie Brown and Lucy," said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa. "You know she's always pulling the football from under Charlie Brown. Well, Lucy's 's not holding that ball any more. We have someone new holding that ball. Somebody named Barack Obama."

To get a sense of how close Democrats expected the vote to be, they swore in Roland Burris, D-Ill., at 2 p.m., and Vice President-elect Sen. Joe Biden delayed making his Senate resignation effective until 5 p.m., shortly after the vote was scheduled to be taken.

Earlier in the month, Democratic senators had vowed to block Burris from replacing Obama in the Senate because he was appointed by Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich who is charged with corruption, including an allegation that he tried to "sell" Obama's seat to the highest bidder.

To deny Obama the money, both the Senate and House would have had to reject the request. With Senate approval, the president-elect is assured of receiving the money available when he takes office next Tuesday.

House Democrats Unveil $825 Billion Stimulus

The vote on TARP is the first step in Obama's trillion dollar plan to revitalize the economy.

His team unveiled an $825 billion stimulus plan today that is larger than what he had publicly suggested in recent weeks. It is a combination of tax breaks and public works spending.

Senate Democrats are fashioning their own version of the rescue plan. While Republicans have been warm about Obama's mix of tax breaks, they did not like what they saw today.

"Oh my God," exclaimed House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

"There was no Republican input at all involved in what House Democrats outlined today," he said.

"I just can't tell you how shocked I am at what we're seeing," Boehner said. "You know it's clear that they're moving on this path along the flawed notion that we can borrow and spend our way back to prosperity."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 09:02 AM

"
Speaking with reporters on Monday, Nixon, a Democrat, said the law requiring people to purchase health insurance was not something he supported.

The report on St. Louis Public Radio did not quote Nixon saying specifically why he thinks the law is bad for Missouri.

Voters in Missouri rejected the individual mandate with a 71% to 29% referendum vote last summer.
"


WHAT???

You mean a Democratic REPRESENTING THE VIEWS OF HIS CONSTITUENTS, rather than telling them what would be best for them? What is our democracy coming to???

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 08:28 AM

"the Senate "super majority" rule that rewards the minority over the majority.."
?????
"Im saying with the "Blue Dogs" that the Dems, at the very best, had a shaky and quite disconnected "super majority"

So Democrats had a super majority and were able to pass anything they wanted.

You can use your IF Then hypothetical logical fallacies to try to prove otherwise but the actual truth about whether they could have passed a bill can not be known unless it was voted on. But they did not even try. Now you make lame excuses about why they did not act and try to blame it on Republicans.

Even when more Democrats than Republicans voted for TARP, you want to blame it on Republicans. Even when more Republicans than Democrats voted against TARP you want to blame TARP on Republicans. Even it Obama voted for TARP and said it was a necessary thing to do, you want to blame TARP on Republicans.

The Democratic party had a super majority from April of 2009 when Senator Arlen Specter decided to switch from a Republican to a Democrat until February 4, 2010 when Scott Brown was sworn in.

Now do you want to dispute this fact with more whiney, false logic Bobert "facts"?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Jul 12 - 07:42 AM

Gov. Jay Nixon against President Obama's health insurance mandate

St. Louis, MO (KSDK) - Missouri Governor Jay Nixon voiced disapproval over President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act, saying the law was not good for the Show Me State, St. Louis Public Radio reported Tuesday.

Speaking with reporters on Monday, Nixon, a Democrat, said the law requiring people to purchase health insurance was not something he supported.

The report on St. Louis Public Radio did not quote Nixon saying specifically why he thinks the law is bad for Missouri.

Voters in Missouri rejected the individual mandate with a 71% to 29% referendum vote last summer.

Gov. Nixon faces re-election this fall.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 07:16 PM

Thank you Brucie....I bow to your superior knowledge, and sparkling wit.... :0)

I'll be mailing you shortly old friend, I've been busy getting all my books up to date.....its been a nightmare, speak to you soon.



hmmm..... sure looks like an allurgy tae me???

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 06:57 PM

Ake, it is neither an analogy NOR a metaphor (with apologies to both you and Ebbie): it's a statement of fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 06:47 PM

Hate to break it to you, ake, but that is NOT an analogy. Metaphor, maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:40 PM

Oh indeed we are all part of the problem J....I wouldn't argue with that.
We have become lazy, greedy, and afflicted by a sense of entitlement

We have been persuaded that we have certain rights, just because we happen to be of the correct species....and these rights shall pertain no matter how we behave, or how lazy, greedy, obnoxious or self obsessed we become.

To make a better society will take several generations and a complete change in what we find "of value"

The political double act in Washington (Pubs and Dems)....and in London (Labour and Conservative), have no chance or wish to change anything, their job as good troupers, is to keep this show on the road
(THAT'S an analogy)
:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 12:53 PM

///Hmmm.....Sorry to break it to you J, but it is a "vast sinister conspiracy".
I realised that about age 16, and nothing I have seen between then and now has done anything to change that opinion.////

Well, if you're thinking no differently now than you were when you were 16, maybe you should question your thinking.

////In fact, taking into consideration the wars, political manipulation and the exposure of the corrupt nature of our financial system inthe last few years, it should be crystal clear to everyone.////

You mean Iraq?? ANY president could have done that with the powers already vested in his office. No vast conspiracy needed. The only reason nothing like it happened before is because we never had a president so stupid and irresponsible before.

///Fortunately I have the physical skills to be self-sufficient, I can grow my own food, build my own home, I am self-employed, live where I was born and see no need to travel......Not everyone is as lucky.////

You can or you do? Do you grow your own food and did you build your own home? And what did you build it out of?

////The system needs demolition and re-construction in a manner which is sustainable.....No one "needs" to accept a system which is so corrupt and inequitable, but no matter, we have allowed our freedoms and strengths to be diluted to the extent that the future is no longer under our control.////

And all this conspiracy rhetoric you're spouting will just go away if we overthrow the current order, eh? Sorry, not buying it. We need conspiracy theories whether conspiracies exist or not. God forbid we should put the blame for our own shortcomings on ourselves. That's like the white supremacists who tell me that we need to ship all the blacks back to Africa and drive all the Mexicans back to Mexico and that will be the end of America's problems. Somehow I find that unconvincing.

/////I still find such acceptance and resignation depressing.....maybe thats why I "bitch and whine" so much?.....:0)////

Well, I bitch and whine about the state of our culture and music and find it depressing and got no sympathy from anyone. So I'll give you the advice they gave me: Maybe you should seek treatment for your depression. Problem solved.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 12:28 PM

"Thats not an "analogy" Ebbie, thats a wet dream! "

Either you do not know what a "wet dream" is or you and I have VERY different teenage years.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 11:46 AM

Hmmm.....Sorry to break it to you J, but it is a "vast sinister conspiracy".
I realised that about age 16, and nothing I have seen between then and now has done anything to change that opinion.

In fact, taking into consideration the wars, political manipulation and the exposure of the corrupt nature of our financial system inthe last few years, it should be crystal clear to everyone.

Fortunately I have the physical skills to be self-sufficient, I can grow my own food, build my own home, I am self-employed, live where I was born and see no need to travel......Not everyone is as lucky.

The system needs demolition and re-construction in a manner which is sustainable.....No one "needs" to accept a system which is so corrupt and inequitable, but no matter, we have allowed our freedoms and strengths to be diluted to the extent that the future is no longer under our control.

I still find such acceptance and resignation depressing.....maybe thats why I "bitch and whine" so much?.....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 09:51 AM

Well, it is an analogy and implicit in that analogy is that you too are working for those same interests. Like that computer that lets peruse the internet and log into Mudcat and post your comments? That computer comes to you courtesy of "special interests" and so does the internet. Like your car and your house? Unless you built your car out of parts you made yourself, it came to you courtesy of "special interests." Unless you went into the woods and built your own log cabin, you house comes to you courtesy of "special interests." They own the means of all production and there's nothing you can do about it. So we're all guilty of working for the special interests which meeans we're all untrustworthy and can't even trust ourselves. Or we admit that we're being ridiculously cynical and offering nothing of value other than lessons in how to be overly dramatic.

So your choice is to accept it and stop acting like it's some heavy realization of a vast sinister conspiracy out to get you and get on with life or lay down and die. There can be no middle ground. You're ether living for something or you have no reason to be living. If the latter, then why are you still here bitching and whining?