BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:21 PM

Rumsfeld and Cheney discussing their recent Tamiflu profits...

Don: Well Dick we did pretty good this time around.

Dick: Yeah Yeah but we could do even better next time.

Don: How is that?

Dick: We could engineer another flu and call it the Dog Flu.

Don: OMG, thats genius!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 May 09 - 10:13 PM

"It's amazing! Many people seem to believe what they say on CNN and Fox News."

                It's amazing that people are lumping CNN and Fox News together. Soon it will be MSNBC and the other side won't have a voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 May 09 - 03:16 PM

There are people who honestly believe that AIDS was manufactured to wipe out poor blacks.


Swine flu was invented to prove a point. For years, the pundits said that if a black man became president pigs would fly. Obama was sworn in and swine flew.

I'll get my hat...

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu vic
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 May 09 - 02:57 PM

Just a few of the many crazy theories about the origin:

(1) The swine flu was cultured in a lab
(1a) ...as a common enterprise by several governments to fight world overpopulation
(2) The swine flu was started by the Obama government to quicken the process of getting Kathleen Sebelius into office
(3) The flu was started by pharma companies to help increase the sales of flu medications
(4) The flu was a failed attempt to kill Obama when he was in Mexico in April
(5) The flu was started to kill Mexicans so fewer of them come over to the USA.

Those are just a few "theories".

If something bad happens that cannot be controlled and is not understood (completely) then someone just has to be blamed.
When the black death came to Europe many centuries ago the obvious culprits then were, of course, the Jews.
Some centuries later, witches were the first choice culprits for adverse weather phenomena of any kind.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: heric
Date: 07 May 09 - 03:01 PM

Yet again, the world tries to keep up with Donuel:

"If the situation continues to evolve and the virus does become established in other countries, and we do move into a pandemic, we would expect the virus to infect many people," said WHO chief Keiji Fukuda at a press conference today. "Perhaps a third of the world's population could be infected with this virus, based on previous pandemic."

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Emma B
Date: 02 May 09 - 02:37 PM

Well I'm not claiming to 'believe' CNN but, on this occasion, it is simply quoting some of the many 'tweets' about the outbreak of this influenza strain on Twitter - easy enough to verify surely?

My point, for anyone who can be bothered to read to the end of the post, was precisely that there is considerable disinformation both in the media and on forums

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 09 - 02:25 PM

It's amazing! Many people seem to believe what they say on CNN and Fox News.
The yellow sheets-tabloids and fakirs are alive and well on cable and the internet.

A couple of days ago we received a communique from a relative, supposedly an article on cancer and diet from Johns Hopkins Univ. Medical section.
It looked wrong- checking at the Johns Hopkins website found nothing like it. Today we found a Scopes article showing that the report was phoney, not from Johns Hopkins at all.

[We read two of the articles on the Johns Hopkins website; one recommending a diet heavy on proteins and carbs for children receiving chemotherapy because they lose their appetite, and including items like peaches and cream. It included recipes for things kids like and will tweak their appetite. The other related to diet in breast cancer- normal diet, with the usual proviso of low-fat, as they recommend for everybody.]

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Emma B
Date: 02 May 09 - 12:28 PM

'chatter on all these web foumrms about this flu.'

You could well be right Bill

'Pig plague and Twitter'
'Disinformation + internet = fear?'

According to CNN for some their role appears to be to spread disinformation, propagate fear and generally convert the unwashed masses into headless chickens drip-fed nonsense by sites such as Twitter.

'Among the gems on offer are plenty of tweets

- advising people not to eat pork,

- gloating vegetarians suggesting their day of vindication is nigh,

- biolgical warfare conspiracy theories and

- links to handy Google Maps mashups showing the inexorable spread of the mutant armageddon virus'

Twitter is not, though, a media outlet.
Sadly, the real media's handling of the outbreak, complete with doomsday statmongers ("could kill up to 200m, maybe..."), restrained headlines ("Horror in the Hospitals", as the Sun described the first couple of cases) has increasingly driven people to seek alternative sources of information

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Emma B
Date: 02 May 09 - 12:09 PM

Jonathan Gornall is a freelance investigative journalist who specialises in medical and child-protection issues.

In an interesting article Pandemic or panic? he considers the media reporting and considers that

'It doesn't help that official-speak is often stripped of cautionary meaning as it passes through the media headline filter.

On Monday, when the WHO raised its threat level to phase 4, most media organisations reported only that it had been raised to the "third highest level", without explaining what the levels meant.

In fact, phases 1 to 3 are "predominantly animal infections; few human infections".

Phase 4 is characterised as "sustained human-to-human transmission".

Wednesday's announcement by Dr Margaret Chan, WHO's director general, that the alert had now reached phase 5, "widespread human infection", required only "human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region".

However his most critical observation for myself reflects the considerably more callous comment by the boss of Ryanair, Michael O'Leary, that 'It is a tragedy only for people living. . . in slums in Asia or Mexico'

He quotes instead Yuen Kwok-yung, a microbiology professor at the University of Hong Kong, who told Reuters that the situation in Mexico might be attributable to "deficiencies" in the country's healthcare system "and widespread antibiotic resistance that is typical of developing countries, resulting in victims dying of secondary infections.

Dr Chan, WHO director general, said it was possible that the "full clinical spectrum of this disease goes from mild illness to severe disease", but there was a danger that swine flu could prove to be a burden chiefly on the poor – and that introduced a moral obligation on the rest of the world community.

"From past experience," she said, "we also know that influenza may cause mild disease in affluent countries, but more severe disease, with higher mortality, in developing countries


"Above all, this is an opportunity for global solidarity as we look for responses and solutions that benefit all countries, all of humanity. After all, it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic."

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 09 - 11:32 AM

I think more people are going to die from all the anxiety caused by being constantly bombarded by the news media, and chatter on all these web foumrms about this flu.

IMHO

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 May 09 - 09:30 AM

I heard they were going to exterminate all of the swine in Egypt, but every time I see a video of the place it seems like there's still a lot of them there.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Emma B
Date: 01 May 09 - 06:52 PM

"It remains unclear why the virus has killed so many young, healthy adults — a concern because this is characteristic of pandemic strains. One possibility is that the virus triggers a massive immune reaction called a cytokine storm, which is worse in fit people with a strong immune system.

This is thought to have been the chief cause of death during the Spanish Flu of 1918-19, which was caused by an H1N1 strain."

An extract from an informative science article in The Times April 28th
Full article Deadly strain of swine flu gets under radar of the immune system

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 May 09 - 06:37 PM

This seems to be hitting pretty healthy people, and I heard on NPR today that it's staying in the upper respiratory tract, so little pneumonia, which is the big killer.

If it was engineered, can they do it so that it waits till it's everywhere to change into something worse?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 May 09 - 03:43 AM

UK hospitals are already operating at or near capacity.

The Department of Health is printing leaflets to put through every door urging people to find "flu friends" who can bring them groceries and supplies if they fall ill.

However, the Department of Health (DoH) document seen by The Daily Telegraph warns that, during the peak of a flu pandemic, complications such as pneumonia could mean there are 10 times as many people requiring ventilators as the NHS can supply.

If demand cannot be met, it recommends doctors deny treatment to the weakest patients so that resources can be shared among the greatest number.
[snip]

"The document, Pandemic Influenza: surge capacity and prioritisation in health services, sets out the criteria which doctors should use to determine which patients receive intensive care.

If there is competition for places in intensive care units, patients suffering from advanced cancer could be refused beds along with pensioners suffering from severe burns, those with multiple organ failure and children suffering from advanced cancer, severe burns or trauma.

If patients competing for life support are likely to have an equal benefit from treatment, decisions should be taken by lottery, the guidance concludes.
[snip]


I really hate the idea of a lottery to decide who gets treatment.

For myself, I would prefer to be sick at home and if it comes to it to die there too, so I would not be seeking hospital admission. But to think of children and vulnerable adults suffering in pain, not getting ventilators because the hospitals have been downsized, makes me pretty angry.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 09:33 PM

Jeri wrote:

What also sounds bogus is Donuel claiming CDC said that the worst case scenario is that one out of five humans on earth would get this flu.

Jeri:
Don'l (Hakman) has a hit-or-miss approach to truth, documentation, internet references, and the laws-of-physics.

Other folks with these symptoms have been diagnozed as mythomanic.

But I've also had the experience of reading something from him that seems out and out of the sky blue yonder, and just as I'm getting ready to give 'im a sound blast of factitude I do a little research, and damn, there's actually some truth in it!

Dam it's hard to be humble.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:43 PM

I hear them bashing Joe Biden about his remarks about flying and catching stuff circulating in the plane. Too bad when the economics of flying (and the political clout of the airline industry) have to trump the common sense he spoke, of not getting in enclosed spaces for long periods of time and likely catching something in the process.

I've caught colds and flu on airplanes. You get stuck in a seat near someone who is sick and you don't get just a few germs to fight off, you get clobbered every time they cough or even breathe much. :-/

Of course someone who doesn't share this opinion might come along and slam it as anecdotal, but I'm not the only one this has happened to. And a friend of mine who was a flight attendant said one of the best things about finally stopping flying for Delta after a dozen or more years was not getting sick all of the time from stuff passengers brought on board. It didn't matter if she was careful not to fly when she was sick, passengers didn't take that care, and they got her all of the time.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: heric
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:40 PM

I had to spend the entire day sitting next to a woman with kennel cough who had just flown in from Texas.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:34 PM

I always get a seat to myself on the subway. I just sit there and oink to myself and complain that my hair hurts.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: bobad
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 06:50 PM

Aporkalypse Now

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 05:32 PM

The quote is still here, but I have to agree it sounds bogus. Wishful thinking or something.

What also sounds bogus is Donuel claiming CDC said that the worst case scenario is that one out of five humans on earth would get this flu.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:42 PM

Jeri:

Regarding your quote from Bloomberg indicating that a 1976 vaccination would do some good now, not only does that sound bogus, it is no longer at that address, what it has now is:

Q: Have there been outbreaks of swine flu before?

A: Yes. Health officials said in 1976 that an outbreak of swine flu in people might lead to a pandemic. Widespread vaccination was carried out in the U.S. before experts determined that the virus was not dangerous enough to cause a pandemic. Swine flu occasionally infects people in the U.S. without causing large outbreaks. From 2005 through January 2009, there were 12 reported swine flu cases in the U.S. None of them caused deaths.

The flu virus mutates so rapidly even within flu seasons there is no reason to suppose that any vaccine not specifically manufactured for a given outbreak will do any good; vaccines often are not particularly effective even within a flu season. I doubt that a '76 vaccine remains in effect more than thirty years later.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit & Debate for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:22 PM

I would WILDLY speculate that it would be best to get this new flu NOW than to get it a year from now.

WHY?

The Reason being is that you would acquire some resistence to this new type A H1N1 flu so that when it does   [ and it will ]   MUTATE into a a new form of type A flu ONE YEAR from today, you will have somthing akin to a vaccine already in your system.
For example Carol might already have gained a resistence to a type A flu, having had 'a' flu last month.

Please do not go to Mexico City or lick city bus seats upon this speculation. ":^/

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:05 PM

You don't owe anyone anything, Ms. Tam. You voiced a valid opinion. And given your loss, I can understand how this flu outbreak would give you special concern for your daughter.

I expect to get the flu, be miserable for a few days and then forget about it. Most of us do. Some of us will suffer terrible losses. We all know it.

The news outlets unfortunately are jumping all over this story and deliberately creating a "panic" reaction. It is wrong. Watch for supermarkets to be cleaned out next week when the majority of cases surface.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:02 PM

The economic backlash is going to be monumental in certain countries, culling their pork and probably bird flocks. Add to that lack of tourism, etc. Not pretty.

One good thing will happen, in concert with the Midwest USA losing so many jobs and that is we will shine a light on animal husbandry, treatment of manure (hopefully changed right away to energy)and realize that many many jobs are needed in agriculture, food processing, slaughtering of animals etc., handling of waste better...even though we will and should pay more for certain foods. We are at heart an agricultural country and need to get back more to our sensible roots.

And we need to look at our garbage practices...underground cesspools of dirty diapers, chicken bones, batteries, coffee grounds, toxic chemicals etc....mg

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:44 PM

Here it is: From Bloombberg.com Understanding Swine Flu Spread: Questions and Answers (Update1)

"Millions of people in the U.S. were vaccinated against swine flu in 1976. While that was not the same strain of flu as the one from Mexico, people who got the 1976 vaccine or who were exposed to that flu may have enough protection against the swine virus to prevent it or make an infection milder, said Robert Booy, head of clinical research at the National Centre for Immunisation Research & Surveillance in Sydney."

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:18 PM

This is always a damned if you do/don't do situation. Any mention of taking sensible precautions is seen as fear mongering and government spokespersons trying to calm others down are not taking things seriously enough.

I note that (based on something I read earlier and don't have a link for) if you were vaccinated for the H1N1 flu that was epidemic in the US in 1976/7, you have a bit of a leg up on this one. I was in Air Force basic training during that, in quarantine at Lackland AFB. You can say that was an over-reaction, but there is no way to tell what might have been prevented.

As with anything, listen and investigate the facts, then make intelligent decisions for yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 12:26 PM

by the way, C

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:09 AM

I've a horrible feeling that the British government aren't taking this threat seriously enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 12:58 AM

Good idea, Donuel. New thread for updates etc. is HERE.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Alice
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 11:22 PM

my post wasn't meant to make light of this.
I did stop shaking hands with all the people I meet to work with, esp yesterday the people in the Urgent Care center. As they told me, every flu strain in the country eventually makes it to Montana.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Alice
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 11:21 PM

I've had a sore, scratchy throat all day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 11:08 PM

The entire 140+ school Fort Worth Independent School District is closing down through the end of next week because of confirmed cases in the southwest side of town. My son is in a different school district, one that abuts the side of town where the schools are closed. His school is open, but we will have to watch the news.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram story.

SRS

Subject: WHO CDC NIH announcments
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 04:41 PM

The World Health Organization has just announced that the pandemic warning is now raised to level 5.

Key points

Level 5 means that all countries should now employ all their pandemic procedures.

As a brand new flu varient no one has immunity

It is still being investigated why affluent countries only have mild cases at this time and poor countries are experiencing severe disease.

The mild cases are no different from the normal seasonal flu which still infect millions and end the lives of nearly 32,000 people in the US alone.

IT is common for the flu virus to mutate as it propogates globaly.

Negotiations with manufactures of antivirals are ongoing to make more medicine.



...................

Admin if in your opinion a new thread is needed for new ongoing flu facts without the potentially valuable speculative insights which unfortunately lead to argumentative distraction as in this obit thread, please consider making the above announcment a new thread in which exclusively CDC WHO NIH HLS and HSS news flashes may be added for concise ongoing news.

The obit flu thread can be used for peroanl experiences?


PS
June to October will be a time period of most concern followed by another spike as much as one year from now due to mutations and the normal evolution of flu strains.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM

hakman-
keep up the good work!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 09:34 AM

Regretably a 20 month old child who died of flu in Texas, however the child was brought here from Mexico for treatment.
The mystery of seemingly more severe cases are exclusively from Mexico persists.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 09:38 PM

fun with face masks in Mexico City

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 09:36 PM

With modern cable news networks there is no more need for these
1976 Swine flu proganda commercials

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 09:32 PM

The Troll food below was gleaned from "How to behave on an Internet Forum"

Note to Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin:

No your dog will not get Swine flu.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM

John Stewart showed the CNN graphic of Canada painted bright red to signify 6 cases of flu. John S "I don't think shading 4 million sq. miles bright red is truely representative of 6 cases of flu, what would a Herpes outbreak look like , Blood spurting out of the wall and lava consuming the cameraman?" (expurgated G version)


KORRECTION

tHERE IS NO TRUTH TO THE RUMOR STARTED BY (WITH HELD) That the developing story on Riverside Drive is the result of a Giant man eating Chicken Heart OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR!




______________________________________________

Pending defamation legal action by robo Esquire I attest to the following:

I did not intend to impune any misdeeds to, or besmearch the reputation of the great patriotic American Donald Rumsfeld and in no way meant to suggest that any connection between his investment and employment as CEO at Scheer Pharm, the manufacturer of Tamiflu, and the natural outbreak of swine flu in North America which was actually caused by an unkosher Turkey BLT sandwhich outside Mexico City. The stature of such a great and loving American Donald Rumsfeld is an important and wonderful example to humanity worldwide and especially to Robo who withholds his name yet splashes other people's real name with impunity, hostility and disregard.

Korrection: ...and especially to Robo who has won 6 Purlitzer prizes for his outstanding secret Journalism.

Correction 6 Wurlitzer prizes for his outstanding leaflets.

Ebbie has settled out of court court for an undisclosed ______.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 07:43 PM

"Alex Jones is to journalism what Jim Jones was to Christianity."


               Jim Jones was exactly what Christianity is!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 07:33 PM

There is no evidence that the Smithfield operation near La Gloria is the epicenter of the flu outbreak; no believable source makes that claim.

The Center for Disease Control is working to discover the place of origin,, along with other official agencies.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 06:30 PM

Stop the persoanl attacks and robo nonsense!
My wife and our friends work for the Federal Health Research Center
(name changed to prevent defamation by ass holes here)

I can and will withhold pertaintent info if that is your purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: pdq
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 06:16 PM

Alex Jones is to journalism what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 06:10 PM

Alex Jones- what garbage!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: pdq
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 05:56 PM

For those who like a good conspiracy theory,
                                                                Alex Jones

Personal attack deleted
co-moderator

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 05:41 PM

bILL

Surprisingly shutting airports does next to nothing to slow the spread of flu as shown by advanced computer modeling.

Using Tamiflu does slow the spread of pandemic flu so that it would take 6 months or more for it to spread compared to the same spread in 3 months without antivirals.

My experience with Tamiflu was great. Everyone in my family got the flu expect me. They already had the flu so Tamiflu was less effective on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 05:27 PM

There is a great documentary from PBS that traces the origin of the 1917 flu from the perspective of key individuals shose graves in England and France were part of clues that helped unravel the mystery of that great pandemic.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 05:22 PM

INSIDE INFO A+ reliable

The NIH has a lab that already has a type A swine flu vaccine. It is not yet incubated for mass innoculations nor has it been trial tested for the normal 2 years. What is interesting is that they may plan to waive the trial period and hope for the best.
This is good news because 3 months from now there will be an rising spike in the number of cases as suggested by computer modeling. The vaccine, if safe*, will help the people who have not contrated the flu.

+++++++++++++

My experiences with Swine Flu were both scary and unpleasant.
The first one gave me such stomach distress that it ranks as the worst in my life.
The second time was in the Ford administration when I took the tainted vaccine* and got a very minor case of Petite Barr syndrome that caused a very brief paralysis...but I didn't get the flu either.





for robo the self appointed editor of select out of context sentences
.______________________________________

The only place I heard about Don Rumsfeld being linked to Tamiflu was on the Diane Reems Show npr American University Radio Then I googled the first result.

I know Alex Jones and suspect he uses stimulants that are not good for him but as I mentioned in the initial post that if one brings up the subject of deliberate bio terrorism they leave themselves open to intense criticism. All I know for sure is that billions of dollars have gone into bio weapon technologies and many people have already died from the fruit of their labor.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: number 6
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 05:19 PM

"And the source of the infection seems to be a small down in Mexico downwind from a Smithfield Ham plant "

for info regarding this see my post above (Date: 28 Apr 09 - 12:00 PM ) with a CBC link.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obit for Swine Bird Human flu victims
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 04:55 PM

The virus seems to be deadlier in Mexico.

Do the people who carry the infection out of Mexico mainly travel by air? I'm thinking is there something in the conditions on board a plane that affect the virus and make it less dangerous, humidity levels, lower air pressure in flight etc.

Just wondering based on the reports in the news.