BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS

Subject: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 12:57 AM

As posted and suggested by Donuel, let's use this thread for updates, news flashes, etc.
This is a moderated thread. Please post only updates. Any discussion/debates/etc. should be posted to the other thread. Thanks!

The World Health Organization has just announced that the pandemic warning is now raised to level 5.

Key points

Level 5 means that all countries should now employ all their pandemic procedures.

As a brand new flu variant no one has immunity

It is still being investigated why affluent countries only have mild cases at this time and poor countries are experiencing severe disease.

The mild cases are no different from the normal seasonal flu which still infect millions and end the lives of nearly 32,000 people in the US alone.

It is common for the flu virus to mutate as it propagates globally.

Negotiations with manufactures of antivirals are ongoing to make more medicine.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 01:07 AM

The entire 140+ school Fort Worth Independent School District is closing down through the end of next week because of confirmed cases in the southwest side of town. My son is in a different school district, one that abuts the side of town where the schools are closed. His school is open, but we will have to watch the news.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram story.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:36 AM

So far only 5 confirmed cases in UK and pretty wide spread. One was an 12 year old girl in Devon.

School Closure in Devon, England

3 of the 5 (including the Devon girl) were on the same flight from Cancún.

As of one hour ago 2 suspected cases in Northern Ireland.

And a bit of hope - the Telegraph reports that Mexico deaths by flu are now decreasing which corresponds with what I heard on BEEB R 4 yesterday from some health official. That the strain will weaken as over time.

Just hope that processes are being put in place to protect the most vulnerable.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Kweku
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 05:42 AM

Still no case reported down here in Ghana. But can anyone update me on any information regarding the uncontrollable spread of "Flu" across tropical countries?

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 05:43 AM

Kat , this is not a swine flue ?? correction its 2009 N1 H1 okei ....
this flue has nothing to do with swine not at all .

2009 N1H1

and people are dyin from it in Mexico , yes but why not in other places
only one in Texas a minor .

Is something else goin on there that we dont know off ?? some other
sickness witch has not been looked at , that is what doctors are
askin them now .

so far few cases here but not confirmed ,

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:26 AM

The term "swine flu" is indeed 'misleading'
However, the reason it's named a 'swine' influenza is because H1N1 was first found in pigs.
Whatever species the virus is first found in is how it's labeled. H5N1 was 'avian' influenza because it was first found in birds.

Unfortunately pork producers are currently suffering from some irrational associations.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:48 AM

The WHO, it is reported, wants to keep the name 'Swine Flu' for this virus.

The child who died in Texas was, it seems, a Mexican national on a visit to Texas.

In Maine we have had three confirmed cases, all recovering at home and two schools in the southern part of the state have been closed for a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 08:13 AM

To keep this in some kind of perspective.....

As of Wednesday night, there were 99 confirmed cases of swine flu in Mexico, with eight patients dying of the disease possibly due to lack of early diagnosis and appropiate medication

There are another 159 deaths from pneumonia that may have been caused by the mutant H1N1 swine flu virus, Jose Cordova, the health secretary reported, and 1,300 people are hospitalized; a similar number had left after successfully responding to treatment.


"Influenza happens every few years and will continue to happen every few years.

Doubtless there will be deaths, but these will be a drop in the ocean of deaths due to preventable killer infectious diseases that, worldwide, occur daily as a result of poor nutrition, poor sanitation, contaminated water supplies, needless conflict and inadequately managed vaccination programmes

It is a strange paradox that the world is so concerned about a possible wave of a disease that, in the great majority of cases, will be mild and self-limiting and yet, despite repeated warnings from the World Health Organisation, does so little to combat tuberculosis, a chronic, debilitating and often fatal disease which has been declared a "global emergency" by the WHO.


A degree of focused attention rather than irresponsible scaremongering is required in the global struggle against infectious diseases."

John Grange and Alimuddin Zumla
University College London Medical School from a letter published in The Guardian

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Zen
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 08:29 AM

It is a strange paradox that the world is so concerned about a possible wave of a disease that, in the great majority of cases, will be mild and self-limiting and yet, despite repeated warnings from the World Health Organisation, does so little to combat tuberculosis, a chronic, debilitating and often fatal disease which has been declared a "global emergency" by the WHO.

Indeed. Or to take another example, diabetes, the effects from which around 100 people worldwide will have died just while I have been catching up on Mudcat threads this morning. Or HIV... Or diseases arising from lack of clean water... Some perspective is definitely required.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 08:47 AM

Oh for pete's sake.

Just because the thread was started and is being updated, does not mean anyone here is freaking out about H1N1 or piggie virus or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Nor does it mean those posting here are being less thoughful about any other of global health issues.

Why do people bend things all out of proportion? Kat are you panicking? How about you Stilly?

I believe I am permitted to be a bit worried if I want. My older daughter died as a result of complications from ordinary flu and my remaining daughter has similar auto immune problems to her sister.

So if anyone hears of any outbreaks in Georgia (where my Hilary lives) I would appreciate a post. That way I can legitimately nag her to be careful.


So hot, I am burning my frigging medical mask.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 09:02 AM

I think that people are thinking back to the pandemic of 1919, which was a major event.

As was the case then this virus is killing young and healthy people, not the elderly and weak, who are the normal victims of flu. That is why it is being taken so seriously.

I find it difficult to see that an organisation like the WHO could be considered to be scaremongering when they raise the threat level to 5, one step below pandemic.

I have family in the UK, including two very much loved grandchildren and, yes, I am a little concerned for their well being right now. I'm also concerned for my husband, who has a weakened immune system due to radiation treatment. Right now there is no vaccine for this particular virus, which makes it a little more worrying than the normal flu outbreaks for which we get shots at the beginning of the season.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 09:03 AM

some examples of the creativity of the human spirit

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:07 AM

The pandemic of 1918-1919 started in the spring, died down and then came back full force in the fall, the beginning of flu season.
Swine flu seems to be a mild flu and less virulent than the regular flu that has been going around since last fall.
I am more concerned about the cases of avian flu showing up in the middle east - far more virulent and dangerous to the very young and old.
I don't understand why schools are closing here in the states - seems an over reaction to me. I guess we will have to watch and see.

As with all "emergencies" of a global nature, I have to wonder what we are being distracted from. What don't "they" want us to notice?

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Zen
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:17 AM

does not mean anyone here is freaking out about H1N1 or piggie virus or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Nor does it mean those posting here are being less thoughful about any other of global health issues.

If you are directing your comments to me amongst others I did not intend to imply that people here are overreacting or being less thoughtful about other health issues... rather that there are some in the media who are scaremongering with some rather irresponsible headlines about the current outbreak whilst patently ignoring other issues.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:21 AM

well we are on stage five on alert here in Iceland so far noone is sick
, and the doctors here say to us that the maskes are not doin any good at all . so we dont use them


flue , if it comes , it comes , if not then good .


kv Skarpi
and keep eatin pork meat :>)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:35 AM

I agree, Zen. It is as if the news networks are relieved to have something to talk about besides Iraq and the economy. They are all over this story with ridiculous photos of people in masks, pigs in Cairo, etc. Scaremongering is a good term for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Amos
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:17 AM

Google Map of Cases planet-wide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Amos
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:19 AM

Center for Disease Control Information Site.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:37 AM

VTam, I did not know the circumstances of your loss...this must be of great concern to you. I don't think anyone was trying to denigrate anyone else, though; just pointing out some perspective esp. when it comes to the news media and our government.

I am not scared, freaking out, or anything BUT I would prefer the gov. err on the side of caution. Having seen, the past few years, how quickly a virus can pass through a preschool, I am glad to see the schools get closed down as one way of stopping this from spreading even if it is a mild thing. People lose so much time, energy, and well-being when they do get the flu; when we know it is fast-moving and out there, why not take extra measures? Kids never wash their hands enough; forget to cough into a tissue or sleeve; sneeze in each other's faces and touch everything. They are walking toxic dumps and better off not spreading, imo, in times like these.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: number 6
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:51 AM

I agree with Zen and Sinsull. The media is having a field day over this.

Pandemic is a scarry sounding word ... but the definition is rational and certainly not so dramatic.

As to taking percations ... this whole thing is a good test run for WHO, and hopefully will make us more aware and also teach our kids to follow and develop good hygene habits. We can teach them to use the toilette at an early age, therefore we can tach them to wash their hands often, and to sneeze into a tissue.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:56 AM

I agree Kat, I would much rather see all possible caution exercised too although the evidence that masks (apart from the high filtration masks like those used by health professionals) work is relatively weak.

There are certainly some scaremongering headlines around but i like this one

"Mad journalism disease – more contagious than swine flu?"

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 12:49 PM

Swine flu is a convenient handle, but the virus is being spread by person-to person contact.

The virus also is about 1/4 avian, according to the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory, so that should share in the name.

Smithfield produces and licenses those 'butterball' turkeys, they have rights to that name. Horrible, greasy things.
The products of that company may have nothing to do with the origin of this virus, but I wouldn't mind seeing them take a hit for foisting butterballs on the market.

Henceforth I will call it the Butterball Virus.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Amos
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:01 PM

"nfluenza A(H1N1) - update 6

30 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 17:00 GMT, 30 April 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 257 cases of influenza A (H1N1) infection.

The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 97 confirmed human cases of infection, including seven deaths.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (19), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).

Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.

There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness. " (WHO updates)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:08 PM

Kat, just a suggestion, and this can be deleted. It might not be a bad idea to moderate this thread to be about updates, and move debate to the apparently abandoned first thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:12 PM

The Scottish newlyweds, Iain and Dawn Askham, who honeymooned in Mexico and were confirmed to have swine flu, have just been discharged from hospital and have hired publicist Max Clifford to sell their story!

Its an ill wind...........

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:45 PM

I've had flu. Who can I hire to tell MY story? As long as there's money in it....

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 02:51 PM

I own everyone a very big apology .

I am stressed due to time of year. Really want to be with my daughter but can't and there is this flu thing.

well... it all boiled over.

So sorry

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:00 PM

VTam, one of the things here at Mudcat is we all have boiled over at some point. No worries...you really did it rather mildly and I think most of us know this has been a tough time for you. Thanks for sticking your toe back in, though. {{{hugs}}}

Now, as per Jeri's suggestion:

from this posting on, please post only updates. Any discussion/debates/etc. should be posted to the other thread. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:12 PM

The Foothills Hospital, Calgary, has installed dispensers, wherever corridors meet, to dispense a disinfectant lotion. Rub it over the hands, and it absorbs like a normal hand lotion.
Visitors do not have to wear masks; as stated before fitted cloth and paper masks are not effective, and even then only for an hour or so. Filter masks work, but are cumbersome and expensive.

It saves water, and makes unnecesary visits to the washrooms everytime one touches something or someone that may be contaminated.
There are two cases in Alberta and a few probable cases in Calgary, but they lack laboratory confirmation as yet.
Calgary is a hub for international travel, no. 3 in volume in Canada. Canadian authorities say closing airposts offer little protection.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:38 PM

A security aide to Obama came back from Mexico with the flu and infected several family members. It has been confirmed to be SW*** Flu. But he was never near the president so he could not have infected him.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 03:48 PM

Swine flu has been confirmed in Oregon....over in Multnomah County....she was in mexico....

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:04 PM

Two possible cases in New Mexico - one about 50 miles north of Albuquerque and the other 50 miles or so south. One of our politicians has a lot of information about swine flu, both general and specific, on his web site.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:12 PM

Joe Biden on the Today Show said that he would advise his family not to be on trains and planes. They have been backpeddling ever since.
They say he meant to say "if sick do not go on trains and planes"
Expect more 'Joeisms to come" since he is known as a gaff master.

The White House press breifing told of one advance White House staffer who went to Mexico on April 13th, got sick on the 16th and returned on the 18th. He did give flu to his family who are all fine now.



Technically people do not die of the flu. The immune system can be tricked into an OVER RESPONSE and the effect of too much fever and too much protective fluid in the lungs can lead to a poor result. The other lethal factor is bacterial pnumonia getting a grip in already sore lungs after the flu is gone.

The CDC discussed best case worst case scenarios.
Worst case: is 30% of the world population gets the flu.
Best case: only 20% get this flu.
Worst case: The current flu mutates into some nastier form over this year.
Best Case: THe flu mutates into a non transmissible form for humans.
Worst case: the flu would be 1% fatal.
Best case: the flu would be .001% fatal.



Good news is that our modern health care system is probably able to limit fatalities by 50% to 80% even IF faced with a 1917 type nasty form of flu. We now have anti virals and great drugs to fight pneumonia as well as effective and rapid response to limit mass exposures.




PS

Speculation among experts is weighted to the idea that simple *access* to health care may be the difference between mild and severe cases but no objective evidence yet exists.
I agree that there is an irony that global public awarness and "scare" reporting never existed for something like AIDS which effect some DC neighborhoods at rates higher than South Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:17 PM

Public Health Agency of Canada recommendations on travel to Mexico and southern U. S.
Only a warning has been issued.
"If traveling to affected areas, do the same things that you would normally do to protect yourself and others during normal flu season. Wash your hands, cover coughs and sneezes, stay in if you are sick and get an annual influenza immunization (flu shot).
"Even though the annual flu shot may not protect against the human swine influenza, there is still seasonal influenza circulating in Mexico and the flu shot will help protect you from contracting the seasonal human flu."

The agency has posted answers to 25 frequently asked questions about human swine influenza:
human swine flu

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 06:22 PM

? 30 being checked here in Reykjavik , still no infection found .

still no flue .

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:03 PM

We have alcohol-based gel dispensers at every public desk and in the restrooms. I have purchased some masks, but won't buy more unless the local Health Dept wants us to. We've put up "cover your cough/wash your hands posters" in both English and Spanish. I have authorized the purchase of another case of facial tissues.

Don't know what more we can do at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 07:57 PM

U. S. Center for Disease Control:
Center Disease Control

Lots of nonsense being promulgated. Latest information on the swine flu, plus other topics, clearly presented at government websites.

The Canadian Lab in Manitoba and the Public Health Agency of Canada are working closely with the American Agency:
PHAC

Both update daily.

UK Department of Health- reliable info for UK-
UK Dept Health

World Health Organization-
WHO
--------------------------------

Canada now has 34 confirmed cases. British Columbia has 11; a case today has led to the closure of a Vernon school (case contracted in Mexico). Only one case of human to human transmission has been confirmed for B. C.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 08:26 PM

From our campus health dept. (University of Arizona) today:

campus health officials encourage everyone to practice flu-prevention measures:

- Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners also are effective.
- Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze; throw the tissue in the trash after you use it – or cough or sneeze into your sleeve or upper arm. This will help to keep germs off your hands, where they can be spread easier.
- Try to avoid close contact (within 6 feet) with sick people.
- If you get sick, stay home from work or school and limit contact with others.
- Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth, to decrease the spread of germs.

Also:

For additional information on swine flu, visit a new Web site created by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

And for information on how families and individuals can prepare: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/individual/index.html.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:02 PM

there is a probably case here in oregon....on one hand they are saying it has been confirmed....on another they say no swine flu....sounds to me that no one bloody well knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 10:41 PM

Up to 4 "probables" in New Mexico now, but this is basically based upon symptoms. Specimens have been sent to CDC, but no confirmations have come back yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Janie
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:05 PM

None so far confirmed in North Carolina- I am happy to say. I have twice been very seriously ill with pneumonia as a secondary infection to enfluenza viruses.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 11:53 PM

Until results are confirmed by the CDC (or the Microbiology Lab and PHAC in Canada), the cases are not added to the list of swine flu positives.
Only about half of the cases in Mexico have been confirmed as yet; the others are 'probables'. Not sure where their tests are carried out, but some were done at the CDC; they probably have a lab of their own.

The practical precautions recommended at Univ. Arizona are those found at the CDC (U. S.) and PHAC (Canada) websites; other measures such as the cloth and paper masks are not really effective.

VP Biden is being scolded for his suggestions, but like him I would avoid crowds, and air travel where much of the air is recirculated, if for no other reason than to avoid catching something else as well- so I sympathize with Janie.

Mexico has ordered a shutdown of all non-essential business for five days; along with the scarcity of vacationers at the resorts, many Mexicans are without income.
On the news tonight, a doctor from Emory University Hospital said the reason for the deaths in Mexico is as yet unknown, but itemized several possible reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 09 - 12:20 AM

There is a past Science Friday show on NPR which is worth listening to: Tis the season for cold and flu. What I found of particular interest is the research that showed alcohol wipes can actually feed the germs we hope to kill. The doctor said even a wiping action may do more than the alcohol which encourages growth.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: GUEST,katlaughing
Date: 01 May 09 - 12:20 AM

Sorry, forgot to reset my cookie

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 May 09 - 03:27 AM

Travel information picked up from the Guardian


For up-to-date travel advice to Mexico read the FCO website or call 0845 850 2829.

Around 315,000 British nationals visit Mexico every year, and a spokesman for the Mexican Tourism Board in London said that they had been fielding calls all morning from holidaymakers scheduled to go to or planning to visit Mexico in the near future. He said that they were not planning to cancel their trips, but looking for advice on precautions they could take.

Q: Will my insurance cover me if I cancel my holiday/flight?

In light of the FCO's amended advice, travellers due to fly out to Mexico on holiday will now be entitled to claim refunds.

The Association of British Insurers advises anyone considering cancelling pre-booked travel arrangements to talk to their tour operator/travel agent/air carrier to see if alternative arrangements can be made. Travel insurance policies can normally be transferred to cover any new destination.

[snip]

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 09 - 09:54 AM

'Tam I heard a report that some airline/s are now offering full refunds for certain scheduled flights due to the pandemic alert. I think I heard it on CNN. A call to your airline is all it takes.
We will probably still go to Orlando. If we get exposed at least we will be back home by day 4 where we can use our own bathroom.



Our High School down the street, Rockville High Maryland, is now CLOSED 'cerrado' due to 1 suspected case of flu. Other nearby schools may be hiring extra cleaning staff/handymen to sanitized certain surfaces as a precaution.

Cosing a high school is still on the prudent side of the fence since transmission in schools to families can be very fast. To close a school without any cases as in Texas is on the hysterical side of the flu clock as explained by an expert on the Rachel Maddow Show.

He added that face masks are cosmetic only however a white "paper" respirator mask that one could buy at a hardware store that protects against paint fumes does offer some flu protection. I have lots of those but they do hinder breathing over time.

Our grocery stores have sani wipes dispensed right where you pick up your cart, the kids have a pocket dispenser of alcohol gel.

The normally crowded huge second hand store here, staffed exclusively by Mexicans, looked like a ghost town yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 09 - 10:17 AM

Colorado has had its first two reported cases, a baggage-handler from DIA and another person who had contacts with Mexico (I think she'd vacationed there, if I remember rightly.)

There was also this:

The Better Business Bureau of Southern Colorado warned against falling for fake websites and e-mail offers related to the swine fly, the Associated Press reported, including an offer of a "Swine Flu Survival Guide" for $19.95.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:01 AM

Oh Dear! I misled, I am not travelling. I just snipped that bit in my most recent post.

There is, I think, some online medi supply place capitalising on the outbreak by selling emergency flu kits. 1 mask, 1 gown, some antibiotic wipes and 10 pairs of powder free latex gloves.

Smacks of that twiddle dick selling emergency terror attack kits, comprised of flashlight (torch), a mask, a whistle and a bottle of water.

What a world.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 May 09 - 12:15 PM

Some Q and As at FactCheck.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 09 - 12:28 PM

Hong Kong (Asia) has its first confirmed case, and 200 guests and staff are quarantined in the Metropark Hotel.

In a NY TIMES column today, Julio Frenk, former health minister for Mexico, disputes charges that Mexico did not move fast enough.
".... medical scientists in the country quickly perceived the unusual trend of illness against a background of standard flu and then analyzed the virus and alerted global health authorities. Their fast action gave other countries the warning they needed to screen for the new virus, which is why cases of swine flu have already been discovered in a dozen other countries- cases that might otherwise have long gone unnoticed."
"...criticism fails to take into account the real-life complexity of recognizing and responding to an unexpected health emergency."
The unexpected deaths of young adults was the key alert to the presence of the virus.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 09 - 12:49 PM

The CDC has sent personnel to Texas, California and Mexico to support epidemiological efforts.

For up-to-date information, the CDC has a swine flu website:
Swine Flu

Both the CDC (U. S.) and PHAC (Canada) recommend frequent hand-washing with soap, and both say that the alcohol-based hand cleaners also are effective.
Beware of warnings on media about claims by a "doctor" or "health authority;" they may not be supported by adequate research (doctor on NPR, etc.)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 01 May 09 - 01:08 PM

37 Marines at Twentynine Palms in California are "being treated with a preventive drug" after confirmation of one case.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/marine-at-29palms-suspected-of-swine-flu-others-restricted.html

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 09 - 01:26 PM

The Idaho State Laboratory sent Idaho's first probable case of swine flu to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Thursday for confirmation. The patient is a Kootenai County woman in her 60s who recently traveled to Texas. So far, 38 other lab samples have tested negative.    --Idaho Health Dept.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 01 May 09 - 01:51 PM

the first swine flu email joke has hit the ether!
The Human Race as usual faces Armageddon with a pun :)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:05 PM

The first verified case in Asia is a Mexican man who arrived in Hong Kong via Shanghai. He is in stable condition in hospital, and in isolation with three close contacts.
This report from "Health & Community," a news service of the Hong Kong government, gives the details.

1st H1N1 case confirmed in HK

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:56 PM

If this pandemic thing is going to be THAT bad then armageddon outa here.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 09 - 05:10 PM

"If this pandemic thing is going to be THAT bad then armageddon outa here."

I am speechless. They're multiplying. We have Severn, now we have Rapaire. WHERE will it end?

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 09 - 05:13 PM

"The number of swine flu cases continued to climb in Canada, with 17 more confirmed on Friday across the country.

The cases are all described as mild, and there have been no deaths as a result of the virus, which has been identified as a new strain of the H1N1 subtype of type A influenza. This particular virus strain is believed to have originated in Mexico and has since appeared in Canada, the U.S., Europe and elsewhere.

Ontario confirmed four additional cases Friday, bringing its total to 12.

British Columbia had four new cases, for a total of 15, the most of any province. The national total of confirmed cases, so far, stands at 51."

From CBC.ca

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Jeri
Date: 01 May 09 - 05:23 PM

Apparently, there were confirmed cases (not sure how many) in California BEFORE the ones in Mexico. The individuals have already recovered. So did we give it to Mexico?

UPI story here

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 01 May 09 - 06:13 PM

Doesn't matter. I know you didn't mean anything by it but some misguided people do care, e.g. the Chinese Health Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 09 - 07:57 PM

The UPI story about early California possible cases is based on a report in the Wall Street Journal:
Germ sleuths stalk origin

The article gives an excellent account of the actions taken by Mexico.

It is still too early to pinpoint the origin. The assumption that the large outbreak in Mexico means a Mexican origin may be wrong.
It may be some time before all the evidence is in.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 09 - 09:24 PM

Rog said the state patrol picked up some illegals on I70 just up the road from us, today. Apparently most of them have flu symptoms and were being brought down here to the ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) facility. This from the tv station's news dept. who were debating which one of them would go to cover the story.

My brother works in a state office building with people who administer federal programs. Paranoia was high in there with folks advising each other to stockpile food and water "in case they won't let people go to the stores." As if!

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: number 6
Date: 01 May 09 - 10:04 PM

No one has the hini flu in saint John ... at least I don't think they do. Haven't heard anything anyway.

There is a guy from Mexico visiting his relatives up in Salisbury New Brunswick. He's been here for about 3 weeks now.

I have whooper of a headache today.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 09 - 06:17 AM

Mexico has revised down the suspected death toll from swine flu from 176 to 101, indicating that the outbreak may not be as bad as was initially feared.

Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova told the BBC that, based on samples tested, the mortality rate was comparable with that of seasonal flu.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 09 - 08:31 AM

Hey .... we should all get an iPhone. Then we wouldn't have to keep checking in on our favourite news web sites, or this thread to see the hini has arrived in our town or neighbourhood..

swine flu tracker

boy ... what will they think of next !

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Alice
Date: 02 May 09 - 09:29 AM

or just go to maps.google.com

and type in "swine flu"

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 02 May 09 - 09:43 AM

A Weekly Influenza Surveillance Report Prepared by the Influenza Division - scary?

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 09 - 11:20 AM

Echoing the encouraging results from Mexico, Dr. Palese, a flu expert at New York's Mount Sinai Medical School, said "he saw no reason to believe the virus was particularly lethal and said it was behaving more like a garden-variety flu that strikes every winter." CBC News update, May 2, 2009.

On the other hand, Dr. Fukuda of the WHO says it is too early to tell with certainty.

One of the problems with determining the seriousness of the cases in Mexico is that the normal flu season was late there, and separating normal flu cases from H1N1 means many tests must be carried out. Thankfully most are negative for H1N1.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 09 - 01:51 PM

Headlines : Canada reports another case, raising the total!

Wow... it's bad. 52 cases on Canada. That's about 0.00016666% of the population. Run for your lives! Er, no... don't run... stay put... don't go out.

sIx... I hope you are walled up in Saint John. It's a dangerous world out there. Got yer plastic and duct tape stock accounted for in your ledger of emergency preparedness? Ya never know... someone might sneeze right outside yer door.

WHO? WTF?

Not that one should not be prepared. But these panicdemics are getting a tad silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 09 - 02:46 PM

Oops IN canada... maybe I have the flu and my head is swining?

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 02 May 09 - 05:56 PM

still no victim here in Iceland , two girls checked this morning
coming from Mexico , they know tomorrow .

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 09 - 07:16 PM

Some pigs in Alberta have tested positive for H1N1. It is suspected that they caught it from a man who returned for Mexico.

All of the pigs have made a successful recovery, but the herd is still under quarantine.

Canadian Press report, Toronto Globe and Mail, May 2, 2009. "Alberta pigs infected with flu, CFIA says."
CFIA- Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Janie
Date: 02 May 09 - 07:28 PM

Article on cnn.com about ER's being inundated with sick - and well-people.

At the risk of sounding arrogant, I am continuously amazed at the lack of common sense and general lack of discernment that the general population displays. How many people actually stop and think?

Which also is an observation about politics.

I don't think it is a function of general intelligence. I think it is a function of lack of skill in critical thinking, and lack of personal awareness and insight. Falling prey to "emotion mind."

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 09 - 07:50 PM

"It is suspected that they caught it from a man who returned for Mexico."


ok


I won't ask    :{


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 09 - 11:54 PM

Ain't no "common sense." You gotcher "good sense", but it ain't common,

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 03 May 09 - 12:48 AM

The full story on the infected pigs in Alberta:

The full story

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 09 - 11:30 PM

The story goes about the 1918 flu, that arrived kind of mild in the spring, and then died down, but came back with a vengence in the fall.

             Following the recent developements, I wonder if the swine gave it to people, then the people gave it to previously uninfected swine, and then it came back to people much stronger?

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 09 - 11:49 AM

Rig, 1917 flu came from geese.

Based on well informed speculation:

We still do not know if 'patient zero' came from California, Texas or Mexico. So we do not know if the first human case came from a pig a bird, or a lab.

type A H1N1 flu (mutated but related to 1918 flu) completely died out by the mid 1950's.
It then reappeared in 1976-1977. Other flu types had totally replaced type A for almost 30 years, The reason for type A's re emergence is said to be due to an accidental release from a research lab in Northern China that was ill equipped for containment. The release was not considered to be deliberate.

In 1977 the cold war production of virus was most advanced in the USSR. Their cold war strategy for a possible WW 3 was to follow up nuclear attack with a small pox attack 2 weeks later. The amount of small pox virus held by the Soviets was staggering. They had produced over 100 tons of an advanced weaponized small pox virus. While small pox was completely eradicated from Earth we are all very fortunate that Soviet containment was rather good.

The re-introduction of small pox on our planet is a testement to our deliberate success with vaccines and our supream hostile stupidity.





The good news is that this current flu is mild and those who caught it are likely to have a slight immunity to the next related flu.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 May 09 - 01:02 PM

Authoritative paper on history of H1N1 influenza A virus from U. S. National Institute for Health:

Evolutionary History H1N1

This article, a collaborative effort by 12 scientists active in H1N1 research, presents the facts as they are known at this time, covering research 1918- 2008.
Martha I. Nelson et al., "Multiple Reassortment Events in the Evolutionary History of H1N1 Influenza Virus Since 1918."

The apparent disappearance of the virus type for 20 years is not explained, but like some others, if in very low and local populations, it may not be recognized.

The 'escape from lab idea' is sheer speculation.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 04 May 09 - 01:13 PM

A somwhat technical, but well referenced article, from The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention examines the information we have to date about the 1918 Influenza Pandemic

including -

When and Where Did the 1918 Influenza Pandemic Arise?
Were the 3 Waves in 1918–1919 Caused by the Same Virus? If So, How and Why?
What Was the Animal Host Origin of the Pandemic Virus?
What Was the Biological Basis for 1918 Pandemic Virus Pathogenicity?
Why Did the 1918 Virus Kill So Many Healthy Young Adults?
and
Could a 1918-like Pandemic Appear Again? If So, What Could We Do About It?

This article, which was actually written in 2006 concludes that since it happened once, analogous conditions could lead to an equally devastating pandemic as 'Despite an explosion of data on the 1918 virus during the past decade, we are not much closer to understanding pandemic emergence in 2006 than we were in understanding the risk of H1N1 "swine flu" emergence in 1976.'

link

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 04 May 09 - 02:03 PM

no one has it here yet ,.

in Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 May 09 - 02:06 PM

My link to the article on evolution of H1N1 failed- I put an l instead of an i.
Evolutionary History H1N1

Emma B, a good article.

Pig farmers in Canada can't sell to China, which has banned import, and U. S. may ban pig import from Canada this week. Canada is no. 3 behind U. S. and European Union in pig production. Price has to be Can$1.30 for pig production to be profitable, and it has dropped to $1.17. Canadians can stock up on cheap pork as the current crop of pigs is marketed; many will be killed and dumped because of lowered demand.
Alberta pigs have recovered from their sniffles, but the 2300-pig farm where the virus showed up is still under quarantine. An employee returning from Mexico is blamed.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 04 May 09 - 02:11 PM

An interesting article Q - I had managed to track it down from the title, but thanks for correcting the link

Now my brain hurts - hope it's not flu :)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: bobad
Date: 06 May 09 - 05:04 PM

Ottawa - Canadian scientists have completed the full genetic sequencing of the H1N1 swine flu virus, vital to understanding the outbreak and developing a vaccine, officials said on Wednesday.

"It gives me great pleasure to be able to announce today that our knowledge of the H1N1 flu virus has taken a great step forward," Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq told a press conference.

Scientists at the Public Health Agency of Canada's microbiology lab in Winnipeg cracked the genetic makeup of samples from Mexico and two Canadian provinces, she said.

Preliminary analysis found the trio of samples "do not differ significantly at the genetic level," Aglukkaq added.

"This is the first complete sequencing of the H1N1 flu virus and it's vitally important to our understanding of this outbreak," she said.

"This is a world first."

The respiratory illness causes symptoms such as fever, fatigue, muscle aches or pain, lack of appetite, coughing and sore throat. Some people have also reported vomiting and diarrhoea.

Canada currently has the third highest number of cases of swine flu after the United States and Mexico, which has been at the epicentre of the outbreak.

Of its 10 provinces, only western prairie Saskatchewan and island Newfoundland in the North Atlantic Ocean have not been affected.

Frank Plummer, Scientific Director General of the National Microbiology Laboratory, said it took less than a week for scientists working around the clock to map or decode the virus.

The discovery would help health authorities pinpoint the origin of the virus, how its spreads and how it changes over time, "giving us the knowledge that we need to fight the H1N1 flu virus," he said.

However, the near-identical genetic makeup of the samples from Mexico, as well as Canada's Nova Scotia and Ontario provinces, raises another key question: why were cases in Mexico more severe than elsewhere.

Earlier, Mexico raised its swine flu death toll to 42, while two deaths were confirmed in the United States.

In Canada, 165 cases have been identified so far. All of the Canadian cases have been mild, except for a young girl who was taken to hospital in Edmonton, Alberta with severe symptoms.

Officials said she was treated in the Edmonton hospital's intensive care unit and was improving.

The World Health Organisation meanwhile said the number of people confirmed to have been infected with the swine flu virus worldwide has reached 1,516.

The Canadian lab work "appears to suggest that there's nothing at the genetic level that differentiates this virus that we've got from Mexico and those from Nova Scotia and Ontario that explains apparent differences in disease severity between Mexico and Canada and the United States," said Plummer.

"That's one of the big questions that everybody's been asking," he said.

"So part of the answer is that it's likely not the virus itself that is explaining the differential and severity of disease between Mexico and the rest of North America." - AFP

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 09 - 09:55 AM

The misinformation regarding this H1N1 being a new strain caused more concern than necessary. It turns out it is related to the 1977 flu and has been in Mexico for nearly 8 months in its current form.

It was masked by "normal" flu and went undetected for months.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 May 09 - 11:18 AM

The number of deaths may be high in Mexico simply because there were so many more people infected and most went unreported.

We still have a fall outbreak to worry about.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 May 09 - 12:53 PM

The virus is new
Quoting a CDC (Center for Disease Control) article:

"H1N1 (referred to as "swine flu" early on) is a new influenza virus causing illness in people. ....
"Why is this new N1N1 virus sometimes called "swine flu"? This virus was originally referred to as "swine flu" because laboratory testing showed that many of the genes in this new virus were very similar to influenza viruses that normally occur in pigs in North America. But further study has shown that this new virus is very different from what normally circulates in North American pigs. It has two genes from flu viruses that normally circulate in pigs in Europe and Asia and avian genes and human genes. Scientists call this a "quadruple reassortment" virus."
Detailed analysis was done at the Canadian lab in Manitoba, and has been verified by CDC.

H1N1 virus

There are other H1N1 viruses, some similar but with different gene make-up, but this one is unique.

It has not yet been determined where this new strain originated.

Mentioned by SINSULL, a possible Fall outbreak is possible, as CDC and other laboratories suggest; detailed laboratory work shows that this strain is evolving as they watch- it could go either way, lose potency, or gain it.

CDC work shows that Mexican medical workers were quick to notice that HIN1 showed a different patient response than normal flu; medical reports praise their efforts. Thousands of tests are being carried out and it will be some time yet before accurate separation of deaths from H1N1 and normal flu is complete.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 08 May 09 - 12:28 PM

"The swine flu virus contains sets of genes that make neuraminidase, a viral protein involved in replication, and matrix, a structural protein, which had never been seen outside of Asia before, CDC researchers said in one of the studies. The strain's sudden appearance may indicate a gap in flu surveillance, said Michael Shaw, a CDC microbiologist.

'A lot of researchers are going back to their freezers to see if there's anything they've overlooked, in earlier flu samples, he said today on the conference call."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aLnivLSRTSyw&refer=home

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 08 May 09 - 03:03 PM

Earlier this week, a team of scientists cracked the genetic code of the H1N1 influenza virus, also known as swine flu.

Dr. Frank Plummer, scientific director of the Winnipeg-based National Microbiology Lab, said the DNA sequence will help scientists understand how the virus works and how it changes in humans and scientists are rushing to develop the vaccine so it will be ready to roll out in time for the annual flu season.

Changes in influenza viruses are difficult to predict, but Plummer said he thinks the vaccine will protect against the current strain.

from Canada.com

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:00 PM

Latest (May 12) from Center for Disease Control:
3009 confirmed cases
Illinois- 554
Wisconsin- 437
Texas-    206
California 193
NY-       192
Ariz.-    187
Wash.-    176

The CDC is calling the flu "Novel Influenza A H1N1."
"CDC anticipates that there will be more cases, more hospitalizations and more deaths associated with this new virus in the coming days and weeks because the population has little or no immunity against it."

The Public Health Agency of Canada now reports 330 cases; Ontario, British Columbia, Nova Scotia and Alberta leading.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 May 09 - 12:55 PM

Last week a cruiseship brought into Juneau what they are fairly sure was a crew member with swine flu. The crew had been in Mexico. The ship company didn't leave her in Seattle or in any medical facility when she was at her sickest. They merely isolated her in her cabin and gave her anti-viral meds.

They did not inform the medical establishment of Juneau or the city itself that they were bringing her.

This is so far the only known case of swine flu in Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Emma B
Date: 13 May 09 - 01:07 PM

you sometimes just have to laugh

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 13 May 09 - 01:32 PM

No flue here , yet .

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:33 AM

GENEVA, May 15 (Reuters) - The World Health Organisation warned on Friday against a false sense of security from waning and apparently mild outbreaks of H1N1 flu, saying the worst may not be over. WHO Director-General Margaret Chan, who raised the United Nations agency's pandemic alert to the second-highest level, said there remained "great uncertainty" about the strain that could pose particular threats in Southeast Asia.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 22 May 09 - 01:54 PM

"The most complete analysis yet of the new H1N1 swine flu virus shows it must have been circulating undetected for years." Reuters

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: skarpi
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:19 AM

Right , 4 cases in Iceland

dont worry , be happy . :>))

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 25 May 09 - 12:06 PM

The U.S. has officially reported 6,552 probable and confirmed cases, Anne Schuchat, CDC's interim deputy director for science and public health program said. "These are just the tip of the iceberg. We are estimating more than 100,000 people probably have this virus now in the U.S."   -Bloomberg

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: heric
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 02:00 AM

My son has it.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 02:39 AM

Poor boy. May he have a swift recovery, as most do.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:36 PM

heric, I hope he recovers quickly and with ease.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 02:04 PM

Resistant case in Quebec and Japan.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 01:19 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32586706/ns/health-swine_flu/

I just read an article on health workers' refusal to get vaccinated against the H1N1 virus. None of their objections were a surprise to me except for one. According to the article, manufacturers of the vaccination against H1N1 are exempt from liability suits.

So if you take the vaccine and have an adverse reaction (a bunch of people died in the 70s from a vaccine that was rushed through in advance of an epidemic that never happened)you have no recourse. That also opens the door to sloppy handling and manufacturing, cutting corners on ingredient quality, etc.

Who is manufacturing the shot? Where is it being manufactured? How are the manufacturers chosen (the lowest bidder? The fastest producer?)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 03:19 PM

Canada has placed an order for over 50 million doses from GlaxoSmithKline, their Canadian plant. The government has budgeted $2.7 million for safety and effectiveness studies.
Announcements by Leona Aglukkaq, Minister of Health, and PHAC.

Clinical trials in September-October and vaccinations available in November. The federal government will cover 60% of the cost, and the rest will be borne by the provinces and territories.
Information at www.fightflu.ca

In the States, Baxter International (Illinois) is in full production.
I have not checked for U. S. programs.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:56 PM

Study on transmission 'rates'--extrapolated.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:02 PM

The number of cases in Texas schools are growing, now that school is back in session. I think one school in Dallas reported 90 cases this week.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:07 PM

Are they diagnosed as Swine Flu? (For years the opening few weeks of school were plagued by absenteeism due to colds and flus of various sorts.) It's like spending eight weeks in the outside air and then being stuffed in a box with 20-30 other people.)

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: bobad
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:22 PM

"Canadian doctors probing the worst cases of swine flu in Canada have made a striking finding: 40-year-olds, many previously healthy, appear most at risk of developing severe H1N1 disease.

The finding is based on global reports of illness and case reports from critically ill patients in intensive care units across the country. The investigation confirms the virus behind the first flu pandemic of the 21st century does not fit the typical patterns of influenza.

Significant, doctors say, is its ability to cause serious disease in previously healthy people."

http://www.canada.com/health/Swine+hits+healthy+year+olds+hardest/1935107/story.html

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:31 PM

Texas Christian University reports 30 cases of symptoms, ten confirmed. (Fort Worth). The 90 cases in Dallas schools not yet confirmed.
Dallas County had 431 confirmed cases of swine flu by August 4 according to the Dallas Morning News (Associated Press, Aug. 27, 2009).
However, Dallas County stopped accepting samples last May.

Texas will be a black hole in reporting; common flu is not reportable in Texas, and it is pretty well up to institutions to arrange for testing for swine flu among their students. Reliable data may be hard to get.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 01:51 PM

Some severe shot reactions in some Canuck Provinces here.

Subject: RE: BS: Updates - swine flu WHO-CDC-NIH-HLS-HSS
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:21 PM

"Significant, doctors say, is its ability to cause serious disease in previously healthy people."


You sure they're not talking about vaccinations when they say that?