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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Nov 10 - 04:40 PM Willie, to own a sniper rifle, or to have a point of vantage is not necessarily to use either. You can do better than that. If life on the dole is so rosy, why don't you try it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 08 Nov 10 - 04:29 PM Just to be serious for a while... Although of course Richard III was not being serious, as somebody who talks of murdering politicians in his opening comment is being either ironic, symbolic or plain talking bollocks; Whilst I have not read or heard of any labour camps anywhere other than in Richard's head, it is a fact that the government are considering having people earning unemployment benefit. I am not sure this is a good idea for two reasons. First, if there is a role to be undertaken, it is best served by meaningful employment to achieve that aim. I accept Iain Duncan Smith's concern that such a scheme should not be purely to appease tax payers and any work must be work that needs doing anyway. So, if it needs doing, let's look at doing it professionally rather than with short term labour by people who are less than motivated to undertake it. Secondly, unemployment benefit at present assumes the person is looking for work. This is hard to achieve if you are working anyway. By all means find ways to ensure those who can work are looking for it, but invest in ways to help them get work rather than this system. No, it is well meant, it begins to address the issue of people who will not work, but fetters the vast majority who are looking for meaningful employment. it wont work anyway whilst idiot apologists for those who take the piss keep sensationalising and denigrating initiatives. Mind you, the idea is not fully thought through yet and is borne of the need to issue policy for short term political gain, even if the ideas are half baked. I don't think murdering Ministers is the answer though. The ballot box is a much fairer way of declaring your views and you can join civilised society as a result, so winners all round eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Nov 10 - 10:48 AM An outlaw could not simultaneously be a villein. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Rafflesbear Date: 08 Nov 10 - 10:43 AM I'm with the sentiment Richard but at the moment the plan is only to enforce it if you want to claim unemployment benefit. Not quite the same as being forced to do it, full stop |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Nov 10 - 10:30 AM William Wilberforce later took on the cause of abolition in 1787 after the formation of the Committee for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, in which he led the parliamentary campaign to abolish the slave trade in the British Empire with the Slave Trade Act 1807. He continued to campaign for the abolition of slavery in the British Empire, which he lived to see in the Slavery Abolition Act 1833. Interestingly, one of his principal arguments was economic inefficiency. The last known form of enforced servitude of adults (villeinage) had disappeared in Britain at the beginning of the 17th century. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: C-flat Date: 08 Nov 10 - 07:37 AM Of course there will be hidden costs to this cunning plan. Conscripted labour will require training and supervision. But, on a more positive note, the supervisors will be specially trained to identify those who demonstrate an unwillingness to participate, negative attitude or general disruptive behaviour and much of the training costs will be re-couped by stopping benefits to those lazy, work-shy chancers!! Win! win! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:53 AM "Where do you apply to have a task force of these people come to work? I reckon councils should put out feelers to the local communities for ideas of what needs doing. Sorry, have I missed the point again?" ***THESE*** people??????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: David C. Carter Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:27 AM Exactly. You got it in one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:16 AM So lets see... A road sweeper loses his/her paid job, and is then forced to do the same job for no pay? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: C-flat Date: 08 Nov 10 - 05:55 AM HELLLOOOO, DAVE!! There are NO fucking jobs in the first place! Ah!,.. Yes!,.. But!.. Massive cuts in the public sector budgets will lead to local authority job losses and reduction of services. What better way to fill that gap than with forced labour that's already being paid for from the benefits budget! You can see the way their minds are working... Quite scary... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Stu Date: 08 Nov 10 - 04:10 AM Aye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: theleveller Date: 08 Nov 10 - 04:01 AM "Otherwise, the Dickensian spectre's vision certainly feels fitting." Nice one CS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: JohnInKansas Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:56 AM Although I've seen only superficial commentary on a UK plan, it would appear that the earliest "modern" implementation of this policy may have been in Germany ca. 1938. They didn't directly say you had to work for nothing, but declining any job "offered" to you sent you to a labour camp where you then did work for nothing (for the brief time until you died, for the majority sent to most of the "camps"). The program quite successfully eliminated the "unemployment problem," since "convicts" weren't even counted - or so I'm told. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:49 AM If they are looking for suggestions, the river bank down from where it cuts the corner of my land down towards the next village is in a bit of a state. Difficult to get a dredger to (although some oinks have managed to get enough litter down there,) and i was wondering.. Where do you apply to have a task force of these people come to work? I reckon councils should put out feelers to the local communities for ideas of what needs doing. Sorry, have I missed the point again? This idea of 100% employment was a wonderful post war idea but fatally flawed. Wilson was the last to advocate it as a virtue whilst in power, (Foot liked it, but never got the keys to No. 10.) Nice to see the coalition is borrowing some socialist as well as conservative dogma in its ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:44 AM Interesting that not a single word has been mentioned on the BBC News about this today... ????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:40 AM Are they going to brand/tatoo people's forhead's? Will this special workforce who can't find paid jobs so have to do unpaid ones wear a special uniform, so everyone else can poke fun at them and go "Hey, LOSER!", having been 'educated/encouraged/brainwashed to do so by The Corporate Political Bastards who are now in power? I mean?????????????????????????? Yes, Crow Sister, Scrooge is alive and well, as I said in some other post in some other thread, but can't for the life of me recall which one...Thanks for posting that. By the way, Richard...I think this idea came from The New Labour labour camp originally....and that doesn't surprise me either. Basically, they're all the same, no matter their team colours... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Rafflesbear Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:33 AM For those across this is the Story When did street cleaning and painting stop being paid jobs and become work for volunteers? Do employed street cleaners now go in fear of their jobs because they will be given as unpaid work to others? If you are paying money to people on the condition that they do work, why not create the job and employ them to do it - or is it that you would then have to pay the minimum wage? And why street cleaning and painting? Why not as MPs and reduce their numbers? That way we would ensure that unemployed people had a voice in parliament. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: GUEST,CrowSister Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:26 AM promised me she was going to stop posting under alternate names." Nicely put.. As other people won't know this, I got pulled up once for posting joke messages on *a joke thread*. Otherwise, the Dickensian spectre's vision certainly feels fitting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:12 AM >Can there be ANY excuse for any honest man not now to invest in a sniper rifle and a flat overlooking the Houses of Parliament? Or woman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: GUEST,Ghost of Christmas Future Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:01 AM The clerk, in letting Scrooge's nephew out, had let two other people in. They were portly gentlemen, pleasant to behold, and now stood, with their hats off, in Scrooge's office. They had books and papers in their hands, and bowed to him. 'Scrooge and Marley's, I believe,' said one of the gentlemen, referring to his list. 'Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr Scrooge, or Mr Marley?' 'Mr Marley has been dead these seven years,' Scrooge replied. 'He died seven years ago, this very night.' 'We have no doubt his liberality is well represented by his surviving partner,' said the gentleman, presenting his credentials. 'It certainly was, for they had been two kindred spirits. At the ominous word liberality, Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back. 'They are. Still,' returned the gentleman,' I wish I could say they were not.' 'The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?' said Scrooge. 'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.' 'Are there no prisons?" 'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again. 'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?' 'Both very busy, sir.' 'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.' 'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?' 'Nothing!' Scrooge replied. 'You wish to be anonymous?' 'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.' 'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.' 'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Anne Lister Date: 08 Nov 10 - 02:48 AM I've just been wondering if this measure will join up with the housing benefit stuff and result in the creation of workhouses ... you know it makes sense .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:11 PM No, he's not. I heard it on the news too. Forced, Compulsory 'Volunteer' work... HELLLOOOO, DAVE!! There are NO fucking jobs in the first place! Tell you what, let's get those criminal, fraudulent, cheating, 'stealing from the public purse to fund their expenses robbers', arrogant, hypocritical swines who DARE to call themselves politicians to do hard grinding manual compulsory foul nasty work instead, shall we? Oh, and by the way, I've already cleaned up used condoms, in the little Dartmoor village of Horrabridge, where even years back the kids were swinging on lamposts, wrecking the park and benches and using their unused condoms down the pretty little path that led to the edge of the River Walkham, just beneath the ancient 14th century bridge.... Ian Duncan-Smith put my blood pressure up when he was last inpower' but this time, he's making the pressure sizzle and spit out of my mouth! WHO THE FUCK DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE????!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Leadfingers Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:06 PM Mrzzy = Latest Con Dem wheeze is to make unemployed do Unpaid work or have their benefits withdrawn . Having already started laying off a good percentage of the work force . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Bonzo3legs Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:49 PM ?? Those of us on this side of the pond might need a little clarification... It's OK he's just talking drivel as usual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Arthur_itus Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:43 PM "Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps?" Does that mean that all the Labour MP's will be put into a camp? What a great idea :-) Send them to Butlins :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Mrrzy Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:40 PM ?? Those of us on this side of the pond might need a little clarification... |
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Subject: BS: Next Con-Dem game - Labour Camps? From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:37 PM Right you 'orrible little man. No job, eh? I'll teach you to get a job! You WILL scrub lavatories, paint walls, pick up litter and used condoms (oh, sorry Dave) or starve to death. Many a man in my old regiment did worse. Oh, what, 2.5 million like you and only half a million jobs? Not my problem you horrible little man. Not an excuse. Go and get a job. Answers permitted in this man's army are "Yes Sir!" or "No excuse Sir". Can there be ANY excuse for any honest man not now to invest in a sniper rifle and a flat overlooking the Houses of Parliament? |
