BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 07:16 PM

Goofball is like a parrot, reciting what he has heard (or in this case, read) without understand the meaning of a single word.

Goofy want a cracker?    SQUAWK!!

"Even the Devil quotes Scripture."
                      --Rev. J. Paul Gregg

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 07:03 PM

Stand up for Judas.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:46 PM

Bobert: "Yes, there are a couple folks here who are eat up with racism... They know who they are... I don't need to talk with them... Like Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your robes"..."

He also said, (Matt.7:5)"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Also(but I'm not going to post all of them, but you'll get the drift),..forgive, love, laying down your life for your brother, providing for you family,..and great works profit NOTHING!

AND OF COURSE>>.......>>>..Dah dah dah da-a-a-h....drum roll.....

"1 Timothy 1:5-7

King James Version (KJV)

5 Now the end of the commandment is Love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of genuine faith :

6 From which some having swerved, have turned aside unto vain babbling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."

Thank you thank you thank you..........

Elvis has left the building....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:37 PM

by the way as far as the south being completely racist. One guy on CNN said the south has more minority mayors, senators, and congressmen and other elected officials than any other area of the country. Racism still exists but it ain't the 60's anymore. People have changed for the better. It can always be better yet but careful how you label people. This situation was awful in so many ways. By the way all watch groups that I know of never work alone, they are two or more doing crime watch not a lone ranger type. Sadly, it is what it is the jury heard it all, I didn't so I accept it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:37 PM

Breaking one of my rules! Well, if Bruce can do it umpteen times in every thread, I reckon I have a right to one cut and paste!

Extract from article in "The Nation".

""In Zimmerman's case, two pieces of character evidence never made it to the trial. First, a recorded statement from Witness No. 9, Zimmerman's female cousin, in which she said that he molested her for ten years when they were both children, beginning when she just 6 years old. Second, a report filed in August 2005, when Zimmerman's former fiancé sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence.

The latter accusation is especially important because it provided the blueprint for Zimmerman's own claim of self-defense again Trayvon Martin. According to the Miami Herald, Zimmerman was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo.

Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused.

A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night. In her petition, Zauzo alleged that Zimmerman has previously slapped her in her mouth as well.

According to court records, the Orange County circuit judge ordered them to stay away from each other for more than a year, but no charges were filed.

During the bond hearing, Zimmerman's wife, Shelley Nicole Zimmerman, used the fact that that he filed an injunction against Zauzo as proof of his innocence.

Zimmerman's pattern for violence had already been established: trolling a neighborhood for his victim, pushing her when confronted, attacking her character, and arguing that she was the aggressor when charges were filed against him.

While the Assistant State Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda brought up both testimonies in bond hearing in April 2012, they were not presented as evidence during the trial. In contrast, the judge did rule that evidence of marijuana that was found in Martin's system was admissible.

Such differences led many (including myself) to conclude, as Mychal Denzel Smith wrote, that "Trayvon Martin and Black Manhood Were on Trial." But they also reveal a system of power that dismisses the experiences and voices of survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence as invisible and untrustworthy.

Unfortunately, these gender and racial disparities are even further exacerbated by Zimmerman's non-guilty verdict and the conviction of domestic violence victim, Marissa Alexander, an African-American mother who was sentenced to twenty years in prison for firing a warning shot in 2010 to scare off her husband when she felt he was threatening her. Like Zimmerman, she claimed self-defense and tried to invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law. The result: a Florida jury found her guilty of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

In our current moment of post-verdict protests, we should reflect on several moments in which the legal system failed Trayvon Martin. But, as his cousin's and former fiance's disclosures suggests, the system fell apart long before the fateful night that Zimmerman profiled and murdered this innocent teenage boy. And I cannot help but wonder if Zimmerman had been held accountable for the violence he had already inflicted on girls and women, that Trayvon Martin might be with us here today.""

From another source and posted without comment:

""Zimmerman's cousin also stated in her law suit that the Zimmerman family was very racist against african americans, especially his hispanic mother. Zimmerman not only profiled and murdered Trayvon Martin,but he also stalked him!!! His acquittal will only encourage the mentally unstable man that Zimmerman is to act in patterns associated with sociopaths.""

So Teflon George has used the same "blame the victim" excuse for his violence in the past and practice, as we know, makes perfect.

Add to that the fact that Zimmerman was the one who was a member of a mixed Martial Arts group, and much more likely to know about "ground and pound" than Martin.

In my experience, those youths who join martial arts groups and learn about martial arts tend to lose their thuggish inclinations and become engaged in the philosophy of the art.

It is often wannabe cops (failed, unsuitable) and neighbourhood vigilantes who learn a smattering and use it offensively.

That experience comes from six years membership in my youth and a black belt in Karate. That was a long time ago admittedly and things have changed.

I hope they haven't changed that much.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:05 PM

That's true, Bobert. Justice miscarried in this case as it has so often before when it comes to Blacks in America's south. However, how anyone here can perceive beardedbruce to be a racist is beyond my imagination. It would be like branding you a cracker. Yes, on occasion you talk like one and sometimes are a dumb as an ox, but you ain't a cracker. Don T is a good man although I often disagree with his political views and Greg F is right up there with the good guys. I think y'all would do much better by being nice. If someone is an asshole s/he'll show it soon enough without anyone having to draw attention to it. In other words, assholes will speak for themselves. It has always been thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:35 PM

Anyone who has ever read Morris Dees "A Lawyer's Journey" knows just how rampant racism is and how it afflicts entire communities...

I've spoken about the Greensboro Massacre of 1979... That's exactly what happened there... White cops... White prosecutors... White anyone with any authority... You know, perfect Southern town...

Sanford ain't much different...

Have you ever heard that coffin sound
Have you ever heard that coffin sound
Another poor boy dead and in the ground...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:20 PM

I'm with you, Bobert.

And as to supposed insults like "so-called liberal," damned straight I'm a Liberal. A classic Liberal, a la John Locke.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition.

Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and seek to replace absolutism (be it the Divine Right of Kings, the aristocracy, Wall Street, or influence wielded by great wealth) in government with democracy and the rule of law (but obviously not "law" as it is practiced in the American South).

The revolutionaries of the American Revolution, segments of the French Revolution, and other liberal revolutionaries from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.

The dominant ideological opponent of liberalism is classical Conservatism. That is, return to the older forms of governmeny, such as aristocracy (whatever form it took) and absolute authority.

Yes, I am a Liberal. Nothing "so-called" about it.

Take a good, long look at the alternatives!!

========

Anyone who spends as much time and effort as Beardedbruce does gleaning blogs and cutting-and-pasting material into this website in order to defend a killer (and no matter what the jury said, no matter how you slice it, George Zimmerman is a killer) has got to have something pathologically wrong with him.

Looks like rabid racial hatred to me.

This whole Sanford, Florida incident is pure racism at its worst. And Beardedbruce and a couple of others such as Songwronger (whose hatred of President Obama verges on the rabid) and Goofball (who is just a nasty little twerp looking for attention) are displaying their true colors.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:19 PM

Bruce is NO racist.

Evidence please. I've seen nothing that disproves the allegation and plenty to confirm it in his selection of mindless cut-and-pastes and his comments thereon.

He is a conservative republican and he is allowed to be.

He's also allowed to be a jackass and an asshole and a foul-mouthed bigot, liar and idiot. Absolutely. No question. Constitutional protections apply.

But he shouldn't whine quite so long or so loudly when people call him out for being one, and can PROVE that he's being one.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:03 PM

Oh, and PS - yes, I regard DonT as unacceptably right-wing and not in any sense "liberal".

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:57 PM

First point - don't tell me "liberal" is a term of abuse. Only to right wing loonies is that so. And even then that is right wing loonies in the USA which is further to the right an loonier than pretty much the whole of the rest of the developed world.

Oh, and Juicy Brucie - the judge ruled the phone stuff inadmissible.   Go back to whre I told you it was NOT EVIDENCE - and weep.

Looking forward to the glorious 12th?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM

Just by the way Bruce.

Richard Bridge is no doubt laughing his head off at your constant attempts to paunt me as a liberal.

He believes I'm somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun, which isn't really true.

I am however a Conservative (with a big C), though very much on the left of that party.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:36 PM

""The right idea!!!!!!

.......it's the first picture.....

GfS""

Yeah! A nice idea. Now try to sell it to the Florida law enforcement authorities.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:31 PM

""Seems a little abusive, as well. He says that my statement THAT IS TRUE is a lie.


If that is the "liberal" standard, I guess you have to support it.""

And I guess you really don't want to acknowledge that his statement:

""SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED.""

WAS ALSO TRUE!

Inconvenient ain't it? For the conservative standard YOU have to support.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:25 PM

""And your racism is demonstrated by your lack of concern for all those blacks killed by other blacks- THEY don't matter, it only is important to get a white convicted even when the evidence does not support the case.""

Start another thread and we can see who it is that doesn't give a damn about dead black kids. Most of your country for a start.

This thread is about one dead kid, and you don't get to change the topic when you want to weasel out of any discussion.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:19 PM

Well, the kid's still dead and Zimmerman walks.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:17 PM

""If someone jumps on you, after conversation, and your life is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself WHETHER the assailant is black, white, red, or green.""

You have a really odd idea of what constitutes conversation Bruce. Maybe that explains why you can only debate in massive cut and pastes of others who echo your point of view and can't answer a simple question or formulate one of your own.

I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where if some rude ignorant bastard walks up to me in the street and demands to know what I'm doing there, I can say "None of your fucking business" and go on my way without fear of being shot.

Trayvon Martin wasn't that fortunate.

As to my being a Nazi, that is simply risible! I don't give two fucks about race and have genuine friends from Asia, Africa, and Australia. I even have French friends.

What I do object to is seeing people of different races being denied justice by not being properly and competently represented by those whose job it is to act without fear or favour treating all citizens equally. Namely the police, the judge and the corrupt legal system of an institutionally racist state.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:14 PM

I will repeat that anyone that is a 100% supporter of Zimmerman and clogs up a music website with truth challenged racist blogs is indeed a racist...

Don't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows...

Having been thru the civil rights struggles of the 60s I've seen and heard enough racist to last me ten life times... I can smell racism in the behavior of others... It's become instinctual...

Yes, there are a couple folks here who are eat up with racism... They know who they are... I don't need to talk with them... Like Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your robes"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:13 PM

The right idea!!!!!!

.......it's the first picture.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:57 PM

""Don T

So, YOU are a racist as well, for being too cowardly to answer when I asked who threw the first punch. Or do the rules you place on me not ap[ply to one of the Master Race, like yourself and Bobert?""

Bruce you scumbag, read the definition of what constitutes self defence in the US of A, and try to comprehend what it actually says about reaction to fear of harm, even when it turns out that there was no real danger, then come back an answer the point I raised with some actual knowledge, rather than asinine adherence to the output of some long winded blogger.

Sometimes, throwing the first punch can be self defence, and sometimes lawyers understand, but choose to ignore that when something colours thir opinons, particularly Southern lawyers.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:55 PM

Don T,

Did I state that Serino called for a manslaughter charge?

YES

Did he, for whatever reason, under whatever duress?

YES

Did Dickie attack me and call me a liar for this?

"
BRUCIE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR - SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED. GO AND FUCKING CHECK. CUNT."


Seems a little abusive, as well. He says that my statement THAT IS TRUE is a lie.


If that is the "liberal" standard, I guess you have to support it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: number 6
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:55 PM

olddude ... Well said, I agree with your statement ... and I'm not an American btw ... once the mainstream news media drops all their headlines about this case which is just fuel for all this animosity you'll see the activity on this thread slow down considerably.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:46 PM

""Dickie boy,
I stated that he recommended manslaughter charges- True or false?

TRUE He did, for whatever reason. FACT


You have abused me for a true statement- this makes you scum.""

No, you twat! He has pointed out that Serino only did tht under pressure.

And not ""for whatever reason"". His reasons have a significant bearing on whether he destroyed the case by accident, or corruptly, which is what he did!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:44 PM

And your racism is demonstrated by your lack of concern for all those blacks killed by other blacks- THEY don't matter, it only is important to get a white convicted even when the evidence does not support the case.



But then, to a "liberal", blacks are a sure vote and don't need to be cared about. Let a few get killed, and the rest will still support the "liberals" who keep them killing each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:41 PM

""Don is obviously projecting his own feelings again.""

Not feelings Bruce.

Merely unblinkered observation of body language and attitude and that shit kicking half smile on Zimmerman.

And your wish to see the "white" man win, innocent or guilty, is blatantly documented, both in the blogs you chose to cut and paste, and in your refusal to etertain the possibility that Martin also might have believed he was in imminent danger of harm.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:36 PM

The COURT determined that Zmmerman was not a "cold-blooded killer".


Or are you still pushing for the hemp rope and tall tree, like Bobert and Greggie boy?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:33 PM

""Judge Debra Nelson ruled that pictures and texts from Martin's cell phone were inadmissible, after prosecutors argued that it couldn't be proven Martin actually took the pictures and wrote the texts on his phone.""

And yet those "inadmissible" photos have been, and are still being used by the defence with the connivance of the prosecution, to blacken Trayvon Martin's character to make Zimmerman look less like a cold blooded racist killer.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:25 PM

" the fact that George Zimmerman has established a precedent that you can kill anyone you find on the street as long as he's black,"


NOT what the case determined, and an honest person would admit that.

If someone jumps on you, after conversation, and your life is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself WHETHER the assailant is black, white, red, or green.


But then, a "liberal " would have to know what the skin color was before he could decide if it was self-defense. And THAT IS RACISM.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:21 PM

""Explicitly racially motivated murders can and do occur. SiriusXM radio host Joe Madison called the killing of Trayvon Martin "nothing more than a modern day lynching." But racial hate killings are exceedingly rare in this country.""

NOW I see where you're coming from Bruce........As long as it's a rare occurrence, the killing of a black teenager doesn't matter.

What about the fact that George Zimmerman has established a precedent that you can kill anyone you find on the street as long as he's black, and even if the public force the police to act, you'll be acquitted. But be careful...White kids aren't on the menu.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:18 PM

Knock it off. Bruce is NO racist. He is a conservative republican and he is allowed to be. Lots of people had valid questions about this case me included. I accept the verdict because I am an American and the court system made a determination not me. I don't have to agree with it but I accept it. None of us were there so everyone is wrong. Anyone on this fucking forum that doesn't agree with someone else is a racist .. NOT   for fuck sake

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:18 PM

Yeah , I know...it's always the same characters, too...I call it 'racial civil rights nostalgia'...they think if they keep it alive long enough they'll get eternal life!!..
Maybe even a second adolescence!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:15 PM

My goodness there is more than enough animosity on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:15 PM

With an obvious racist chip on his shoulder, referencing the neighborhood watch guy as a "creepy ass cracker" to his fellow racist female friend who admitted under oath that that is how non-blacks are referred to normally in their circles, Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week.

With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama's presidency. To attempt to claim otherwise is a laughable lie.

The jury got it right, and non-racist America rejoices that there is still common sense, honesty and decency aware of identifying justice in this country. America also believes that the entire prosecutorial team should be ashamed of themselves and disbarred for ignoring the obvious and kowtowing to the pure racism that forced the politically correct lie that only black lives killed by non-blacks matter, which is why there are no headlines, no protests, no prosecutions and no Barak Obama or Eric Holder meddling in the nonstop black-on-black slaughter in their gun-free zone of Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:13 PM

Don T

So, YOU are a racist as well, for being too cowardly to answer when I asked who threw the first punch. Or do the rules you place on me not ap[ply to one of the Master Race, like yourself and Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:06 PM

""Bobert, I think your overreaction to Bruce's post are 'maybe just a little over the top'..Bruce is not a wing of the KKK. He is merely pointing out that the FORCED overreactions, are contrived and distorted to the facts of the case. I know he gets criticized for posting 'cut and paste' texts..BUT, his texts are usually without his personal rantings. They are articles from reliable sources, which seem to be overlooked, in the wake of those who are forming EMOTIONAL responses.""

Maybe that's the trouble Goofus.

I asked him several times to respond to the points I made about the likelihood of Martin being scared for his life when being stalked by a stranger in street clothes, who (by Zimmerman's own demands to know what he is doing there and then without further discussion reaches for his pocket.

I asked whether he could deny that this would be grounds for Martin to claim that he attempted to prevent what he feared would be an attack with a weapon, acting in self defence.

Bruce showed who is the real racist here by ignoring the request. He hadn't the guts to discuss it, because he knows that if Trayvon were white and Zimmerman black, that would have been the side of the story highlighted by Racist Florida.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:06 PM

So, Don T, how long has it been since your last Nazi rally? You still miss the old gang?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

Dickie boy,
I stated that he recommended manslaughter charges- True or false?

TRUE He did, for whatever reason. FACT


You have abused me for a true statement- this makes you scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM

Brucie - FUCKING CHECK IT. Serino ONLY filed the capias after he had been pressured. Can you not read, can you not understand, or do you just long for the glorious 12th when you can open fire on all black kids in white neighbourhoods? Or is it all three?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:58 PM

Don is obviously projecting his own feelings again.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM

Martin Luther King Jr. is rolling over in his grave that he sacrificed his life for the cause of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, as so many of his own race carry in in self-destructive behavior while professional race mongers blame everything on racism. It is painful and heartbreaking to say and write this, but horrifically it is true. Blacks kill more blacks in a weekend in Chicago than the evil, vile Ku Klux Klan idiots did in 50 years. Truly earth shattering insane. And not a peep from Obama or Holder. Tragic.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM

NAACP president Benjamin Jealous said that the verdict in the George Zimmerman case is a sign that African-Americans face "times of great peril." However, if there is a peril, Mr. Jealous should look to his own community for the cause. Most of the time when a murder victim is black, the perpetrator is not a "creepy ass cracker."

Mr. Jealous wants people to believe that the isolated incident in Sanford, Florida proves there is an epidemic of white (or white-Hispanic) -on-black violence. He said blacks "feel it every time we see one of our young sons … walk out the door and pull his hoodie up." But black parents should not primarily be worried about white people gunning down their kids. According to the most recent (2011) FBI statistics, of the 2,695 murders in which the victim was black, 91% were committed by people of the same race. Whites and white-Hispanics were the perpetrator in only 193 (7%) cases. Odds are if the victim was wearing a hoodie, the perp was too.

The same pattern of intra-racial violence holds for whites. Eighty-three percent of white murders in 2011 were within-race killings, and only 14% were black on white. These data tell us that murder in America is decidedly not a matter of racial hatred.

Explicitly racially motivated murders can and do occur. SiriusXM radio host Joe Madison called the killing of Trayvon Martin "nothing more than a modern day lynching." But racial hate killings are exceedingly rare in this country. According to FBI hate crime statistics, there was only one murder or negligent manslaughter in 2011 that could be traced to anti-black sentiment. Just one. This is not exactly the wave of racial animus some commentators and social activists have warned us about.

But these same activists are spurring a wave of racially-charged violence, justifying it by the Zimmerman verdict. Blacks beat an innocent Hispanic man in Balitmore saying it is "for Trayvon." Protestors in Los Angeles and Oakland blocked major thoroughfares. Twitter has been buzzing for weeks with people threatening to start riots over the verdict if it didn't go the way they wanted. If Americans are in great peril it will be because of these hooligans, and the irresponsible race-baiters who cheer them on.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:48 PM

""Seems that the KKK wing thinks if it posts often and loud enough that that alone will justify the murder of a black teenager armed with a bag of candy...""

Yes Bobz! And Grand Wizard Beardie surely admires the way that the murderer smiled his way through the whole farce without ever expressing any genuine regret, any twinge of guilt, any sign of genuine empathy for the feelings of Martin's family. He even implied that God approved.

A Mafia hitman might have killed with that kind of calm equanimity.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:40 PM

""The principal takeaway from the Zimmerman trial and verdict is that the greatness of America and its people still vastly exceeds the corruption and in many respects, the outright evil of its justice system.""

With the exception of Florida, where that evil and corruption seems to be based.

Talk about the "BIG LIE".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:34 PM

""no evidence surfaced during the state trial that Zimmerman had a racial bias.""

It might though, with a new investigation by people who actually want to find out the truth.

Every filmed interview and court record shows Zimmerman with that smug half smile of a man who knows the fix is well and truly in.

Richard Bridge showed quite conclusively that Serino had to be forced to make that recommendation that a manslaughter charge be brought, and there is no doubt that he scuppered the case, IMO deliberately.

Zimmerman's attitude from the night of the murder through to the pre-judged acquittal has been what you would see on a hunter who has bagged his quota.

He went after that N***er, and he got him, and then he got away with it.

He evn said that it was God's work! Killing a human being for buying candy!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:46 PM

Guest: "It's great to see your sense of humor returning at last."

Never left...it's all in the delivery..or something like that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:27 PM

Justice and law are often two different things. I catch a kid breaking my windows with a slingshot and I kick his ass for him, that's justice. When I'm arrested for assault, that's law. I don't see that justice has been served in this case. YMMVNMAI (NoMayAboutIt).

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:27 PM

Shitwringer again, misquoting Obama!

"Could've been my son" wasn't what he said, was it?

So what did he say then?........""If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon""

So, exactly what is your objection?

The statement is succinct, respectful of the dead boy and his parents, and factually correct.

Oh, I SEE! It was true! That's what you can't stand.

You don't relate to the truth in any form, DO YOU Shitflinger?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:24 PM

(Reuters) - A former employee of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's office plans to file a whistleblower lawsuit against George Zimmerman's prosecutors, his attorney told Reuters on Tuesday.

The action will put pressure on Corey, who already faces criticism from some legal experts for the unsuccessful prosecution of the case, which led to the acquittal of Zimmerman for shooting unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution team.

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws.

"We will be filing a whistleblower action in (Florida's Fourth Judicial District) Circuit Court," said Kruidbos' attorney Wesley White, himself a former prosecutor who was hired by Corey but resigned in December because he disagreed with her prosecutorial priorities. He said the suit will be filed within the next 30 days.

Corey and lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Corey referred Reuters to Kruidbos' termination letter, previously made public, in which Corey's office accused him of hacking confidential information from state computers.

The six-page letter, dated July 11, charges Kruidbos with "deliberate, willful and unscrupulous actions" that make him untrustworthy and calls his questioning of de la Rionda's actions regarding the cell phone evidence "a shallow, but obvious, attempt to cloak yourself in the protection of the whistleblower law."

Zimmerman was acquitted on Saturday following a five-week trial that riveted America and relaunched debates on race and guns. The verdict sparked demonstrations in some cities by those angered by the decision.

On Monday, Corey told Reuters, "Our office adhered to the highest standards of ethical behavior."

Trial law requires prosecutors to share evidence with defense attorneys, especially if it helps exonerate defendants. The requirement is known as the Brady disclosure.

Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.

The Martin family lawyer, Benjamin Crump, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Kruidbos had emailed de la Rionda in late January and attached a report containing the text messages and images he had retrieved from Martin's cell phone, his lawyer said.

Zimmerman's chief defense attorney Mark O'Mara has said he didn't receive the material until June, shortly before the murder trial began.

Judge Debra Nelson ruled that pictures and texts from Martin's cell phone were inadmissible, after prosecutors argued that it couldn't be proven Martin actually took the pictures and wrote the texts on his phone.

The judge has yet to rule on whether the prosecution committed any Brady violations by not handing over evidence, as alleged by Zimmerman's defense team.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-lawsuit-idUSBRE96F1EL20130716

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:59 PM

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

White said he wasn't surprised of possible evidence violations by Zimmerman prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

"I was saddened by it, but I'm not surprised," he said.

White first learned about the evidence through Kruidbos more than a month ago, he said.

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Yep. Sure tells the whole story, and presents all the facts.


I note that the ones here that object to the discussion are determined to attack anyone who disagrees, and have not discussed the facts, the evidence presented, or even the law- They demand "Justice", ( lynching the one they decided before the trial was guilty) regardless of the legal outcome.

They are the ones who are acting as if they were KKK members- they decided guilt based on race, and ignore all facts that are presented, attacking any dissenting comment as racist when in fact it is there determination to lynch someone because of his race that is racist.

To lynch someone because he is "white" is as racist as to lynch them because they are "black"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:58 PM

beardedbruce: you sure do get yourself in a pile of shit from time to time. That's an observation, not a criticism.


"The first one might have been a 'bad link', 'cuz the second one is the same one..I couldn't tell the difference...

GfS"

It's great to see your sense of humor returning at last.