BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 11:09 AM

And please excuse the typos. I am not a proof reader. I am a writer.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 10:46 AM

You know what Bruce? I'm just going to ignore you. Bobert, Don and Greg:

So we are people with common sense and we know what happened. George Zimmerman stalked, pursued and tried to take down Trayvon Martin. It didn't work out as GZ planned. So he took his life. Bobert, I completely understand what you saud about that Southern grinning. Did you see that shit eating grin on John Good's face as he basically lied on the stand? I sure did.

The question is, what are we going to do about it now? In light of that terrible trial and verdict which put Trayvon Martin in a negative light instead of the defendant? Here's what I have done and you should do this too.

Send an email to your Attorney General. Make it as compelling as possible. Make it short and sweet, it's the voices that count. Tell him that just because he is part Afro-American himself is not a reason to retreat. Tell him this is a Abraham Lincoln moment, an LBJ moment, a time in history for a great man to show himself.

And pay not attention to bearded bullshit. He's a troll. He's just here to upset you. You know you're right- and so does he. Trust me on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 08:02 AM

Oh, you mean the bigotry of saying that the prosecution should have to obey the law in a trial?

Or that the evidence presented at the trial has to prove guilt to get a guilty verdict?

Or that the evidence presented BY THE PROSECUTION would lead a reasonable person to believe that Martin threw the first punch?

Or that the only racism shown has been that of Ubermensch Bobert and his group of sycophants, who judge guilt solely on the basis of skin color?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 07:56 AM

"P. S. Considering the misinformation and bigotry that Beardedbruce and Songwronger spread, they have a lot to answer for."



WHAT misinformation?

Please give some example of what you call misinformation- i have posted facts, unlike most here.

If you don't like the logical result of those facts, that is YOUR problem, that YOU have to answer for.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 04:09 PM

And by the way, at least one of the pair had to have a cell phone, with which to call the police if they saw something suspicious. And they were told not to confront anyone unless they came upon a mugging in progress. Hence, in the event of the latter, the preference for people with some knowledge of martial arts.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 04:09 PM

Southern folks are good at two things, Don:

1. What the late Son House referred to as "grinnin' in your face" which is a phony baloney way of acting as if they like you when they'd rather kill you... And...

...2. Short tempers...

Not a good combination...

Of course, I am not saying that "all Southerners" are like that but these two traits do seem to be part of the Southern culture...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 03:27 PM

Things are pretty cool around here now, but in my neighborhood a few years ago there was a rash of break-ins and car-prowls, plus a couple of muggings.

One day I was going down the street of the local business district and coming the other way were two young people, one a young woman, and the other, a young black man. They both wore yellow T-shirts with a logo on them. "Neighborhood Watch."

I was hardly doing anything of a suspicious nature—in fact, I was tooling off to a local drug store in my electric wheelchair. As we were about to pass each other, we greeted each other, then stopped and chatted for a few minutes. They just wanted to introduce themselves. There was nothing threatening about them. No challenges, like, "What are you doing here!?" We talked for a few minutes quite pleasantly.

They mentioned that, due to the epidemic of car-prowls and muggings, several people in the neighborhood had gotten together and started a neighborhood watch program, calling for volunteers who would be willing to patrol the neighborhood at any time of the day or night. They were to travel in pairs, and each pair had an assigned time and area. And they would be easily identified by the yellow T-shirts.

And they were not to go armed! Although as voluteers, the group that initiated the neighborhood watch had called for relatively young, fit people who, preferably, had some knowledge of martial arts.

As I say, we chatted amicably, they just wanted to introduce themselves, and we parted with a smile and a wave. They continued their rounds and I went on to do my errand at the local pharmacy.

This is a fairly civilized area of the country.

Don Firth

P. S. Considering the misinformation and bigotry that Beardedbruce and Songwronger spread, they have a lot to answer for.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

GfS, that was really, really beautiful. You're a good dude man. The best.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 01:07 PM

Richrad,

Getting to the bottom of stand-your-ground laws ain't going to be all that pretty... Think of them as "night soil"... The absolute worst of what mankind has to offer written to appease the NRA and Redneck Nation...

This is all politics... The Republicans don't give a flying fuck about guns and abortion but they need votes so they gin up these emotional issues to rile up their base...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 12:28 PM

THIS must be why Ubermensch Bobert says I am KKK:



From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

Based on the trial, an the evidence presented, I have made a conclusion- Others here are making their conclusions based on what they think could have happened, without regard to the presented evidence.

Was the evidence false? The prosecution did not make an effort to prove that.

Was there racial profiling- Not according to the presented transcripts of 911 call, interviews, or testimony.

The presumption of innocence is a part of our system of justice- there was nothing presented that would lead a reasonable person to think that Zimmerman was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

SHOULD he have been convicted of manslaughter? I suspect the prosecution COULD have made a good case for that, but the POLITICAL decision was made to go for 2nd degree murder. THAT is why Zimmerman got off without punishment.

And wWHY did they go for murder when manslaughter would have given as long or longer a sentence? BECAUSE the racists and "liberals" were demanding it- so it becomes their fault Zimmerman walks.

If it had been done according to the law, with full disclosure, and a Grand Jury, the charge would have been manslaughter at worst, and the jury may well have decided for that, if the prosecution had presented the evidence for it.

But in the attempt to meet the "court of public opinion" the state threw that away.

And every young black male being arrested and charged in these "demonstrations " is bearing the price of the "liberal" media and the racists that demanded a murder charge.





A pity that Bobert cannot even take responsibility for the harm that his hate-mongering contributes to.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 12:22 PM

Repetitive? Who me? Yikes!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 12:07 PM

Repetitive name-calling.

Please discontinue thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 11:06 AM

Z got out of a car and followed M. Why? Because M looked like "one of them". Young, black, in a hoodie, in a white neighbourhood. Fact. Whatever the judge admitted.

Z then initiated a confrontation. "What are you doing here". He could have said "Neighbourhood watch, can I help you". But he didn't.

At that point M reasonably apprehended an assault. He became entitled to use reasonable force to defend himself. He did. There is no evidence at all that he intended to do more than incapacitate Z in order to prevent the reasonably feared assault.

Z shot M while M was exercising his right to self defence.

Z's assault, under Florida law, was a misdemeanour not a felony. It looked to me VERY like the usual definition (I have not got to the bottom of the Florida law here) of "unlawful-act-manslaughter".

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:38 AM

Unlike Ubermensch Bobert, I do not accept calling people who are "Black, and Democrat"
"a dumb ni**er", as you, greggie boy, have done.


I guess Bobert only sees the KKK when someone disagrees with him,.


Maybe his own sheet is hiding the truth and reality from him.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:28 AM

As I thought, Beardy - just more of your usual horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:22 AM

GregF,

You are the one woith the point- right under you pointy hatted sheet.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:17 AM

29 Jul 13 - 08:48 AM

And your point, BeardedBullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 09:59 AM

So, GfinS, your new argument is that we should just move on because we are musicians???

Pathetic reasoning...

No, that's where your are wronger than your usual wrong... As musicians we are charged to not move on... It is our job to tell the truth against bigotry, racism and hate...

You can write sticky sweet love songs all you want but most musicians I know are trying to think a little deeper and use their music to speak to injustice...

"I Shall Not Be Moved"...

Oh, that's right... You don't do no justice music...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 09:12 AM

""It sounds like you are agreeing with the original officers, who weren't going to charge him at all!!""

That is a pretty vile misrepresentation, when what I said was that, not only the officers, but the prosecution and the judge, in fact all the law agencies concerned were actively seeking acquittal.

If they weren't protecting the "white"(ish) man from punishment for kllng a n****r, what, would you suppose, was the logical basis for the general reluctance to try to convict, and why was Trayvon Martin's character not given the degree of protection so quickly and rigidly applied to Zimmerman's.

If you were to tell me that the jury were given ALL relevant evidence in this case, I would have to call you a liar.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 08:48 AM

Metropolitan Police are investigating a Saturday morning assault and robbery as a hate crime.

Police said a 28-year-old man from Bethesda, Md., was attacked in the 1700 block of Euclid Street NW in D.C.'s Adams Morgan neighborhood. The victim said he was approached by three black men who kicked and punched him to the ground around 1:20 a.m.

According the victim, one of the attackers yelled, "This is for Trayvon," during the assault. The victim suffered lacerations to the face from the attack.

Police said the suspects took the man's wallet and iPhone. The police report lists the incident as "robbery force violence, hate bias incident."

Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman in February 2012 in Sanford, Fla. The verdict in the George Zimmerman trial sparked mixed reactions around the world after a jury of six women acquitted the former neighborhood watch volunteer in the shooting death of the unarmed black teenager.



http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Assault-Robbery-Investigated-as-Hate-Bias-217299901.html






"The victim said he was approached by three black men who kicked and punched him to the ground around 1:20 a.m."


Well, according to "SS"Bobert, this is normal greetings, and nothing to get upset about. Why are they even trying to charge the assailants????? After all, the victim was white- he must have been a racist, like Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 02:47 AM

Yikes!!
I guess it's like a matter of 'free will'....
Speaking of which, I was asked one time if I believed in 'free will'...
..to which I answered, "Do we have a choice?"
But one thing I do know..as we press on to finish our existence here: 'As we get older we should also be getting wiser...because the end product of anyone of us being here, is to make the place better. Therefore your wisest decisions come from when we are happy. Happiness is not a 'goal' and never should be...it is a state of being, from where we exist and operate.. Therefore, the wisest decisions, to raise the level of the collective happiness, must come from a place that sees us as one. If a brother has fallen, lend a hand up...if you see them going in a wrong direction, point the way home...because that is where the place is, where there is Love....and that points the way to, our greatest, wisest decisions, that create a peaceful, happy existence. Your wisdom rests in always making those decisions, in Love, to promote Love, and in doing so, we are all raised together.
Now that can't be THAT hard, can it?

I guess it's like a matter of 'free will'....
Speaking of which, I was asked one time if I believed in 'free will'...
.. "Do we have a choice?"

Now, off for a late night/early morning practice session.

G'Night,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 01:56 AM

That goofus remark was just a joke. GfS I was just kidding.

You know what, I'm thinking that George Zimmerman is a true sociopath who just wanted to kill somebody and he chose the right victim. Am I right Don? Am I right Greg? You guys know it. There are throwaway people. And there is something wrong with that man. Am I right or am I right? We don't need him. We have police who do not normally want to play cop, so to speak, and shoot somebody. They just check things out, and once everything checks out, everybody goes their way. No problemo.

Something wrong with that man. Don, you know it and Greg, you know it too. We're hoping he won't hurt anybody else. At the same time, we know that he is entirely capable. He got away with murder once. He'll stay quiet. In a way, that's the hard part. Sociopaths are smart. He won't try the same thing twice. So perhaps we won't have the satisfaction of seeing him punished as he deserved. But I don't think that was our objective in the first place. We just wanted to right and wrong ackowledged. We already have that in ourselves. We need no confirmation from the outside world.

Let's make a pact to go on our merry way, make our singular contribution in the world and forget that poor excuse for a human being. Not worth our time. But let's keep our eyes open. Cuz if he ever fucks up and we are around to see it? We'll celebrate amongst ourselves.

What goes around comes around.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 11:03 PM

Well, like Heinlein said, "When I'm done writing, I wash my hands"...

Robot: "Zimmerman made a statement to the dispatcher about "these people always get away"... These people???"

Your ASSumption is that he meant black people. He could have meant prowlers, taggers, burglars or any number of would be crooks.

Robot: "What exactly am I missing here???
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck..."

Try substituting ANY of the above aforementioned for the word 'duck'...you can add a 'stranger in the neighborhood, walking close to the apartments', as well...now couldn't you??
You fault Zimmerman for profiling, but you've profiled Zimmerman as a racist 'nigger killer', just itching for the moment to pull it off...aren't you?...aren't you?? Let's be fair here, and make the same mistake that Zim, Martin, the professional race baiters, and the prosecution made..and that is jumping to conclusions, without the correct information. Hey, Rachel was telling Trayvon, that the guy following him, was a 'homosexual rapist'..and guess what?? NOBODY WAS RIGHT!...and someone died that night because of it...and of course, as I've had to say several times on here, 'History teaches us that man never learns from history!'..We can, without bias, allow for the 'benefit of the doubt'...BECAUSE NOBODY on the Forum, nor news media, was actually there that night, now were they?..and MY, I'm floored at how many cocksure 'expert witnesses' have showed up since!..and of course, bringing their personal biases with them!!

SJL: "And Greg, it really is a shame that we don't have the kind of diversity that would lead to a better discussion all around. I agree."

A great backhanded compliment!..Well done!

SJL: "GUEST, here's what I think. We have to argue or there would be no point to any of this."

Sometimes when people have unreasonable ASSumptions, and FAIL to persuade, the 'less than gullible', maybe they, the promoters of divisions and hostilities, might just catch themselves running out of bullshit to spread...then maybe, it might just cause them to re-examine themselves, and where there coming from..and maybe even 'why?'. Then maybe, they can discipline themselves to think first, before the sew discord, based on their personal problems.

We, as musicians SHOULD be taking a higher stance with us, and give it to those who listen to us play. Music can inspire...why just regurgitate the crap on the news, reinforcing the biases that have been especially prepared to deceive people???

Oh, and that's 'Mister Goofus' to you, ma'am.
Wink!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:59 PM

GUEST, here's what I think. We have to argue or there would be no point to any of this. Then it would be like facebook where you post a pic of a cute kitty and everyone says "Awww." On the other hand, when you have argued your position 12 x's over, and you have still failed to persuade your adversary, the only sensible thing to do is agree to disagree. So I concede, and I like hanging out with you.

Don, he really is a goofus, isn't he?

And Greg, it really is a shame that we don't have the kind of diversity that would lead to a better discussion all around. I agree.

So now there's three of you. Q must be the wizard :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:14 PM

As for the KKK???

Hey, they hated black people and mu7rdered them...

Zimmerman made a statement to the dispatcher about "these people always get away"... These people???

Then Zimmerman murdered Martin... And folks here worship Zimmerman and defend his actions...

What exactly am I missing here???

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:00 PM

What I wrote are not MY assumptions about Sanford, Florida, the information was culled and distilled from a number of news stories and histories of both Sanford, Florida, the attitude prevalent in Sanford since the Jackie Robinson incident, and Zimmerman's personal history. There was much more there that I did NOT include, that's just as indicative of the kind of place Sanford is and the kind of person Zimmerman is.

Goofup, the foul-mouthed and ill-conceived nature of your post reveals your own racism, prejudice, and general lack of intelligence. I've heard smarter things from a Southern-born schizophrenic with Tourette's Syndrome.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 06:31 PM

Dork: "...town's refusal to let Jackie Robinson, the first black baseball player hired by the Brooklyn Dodgers, to participate in spring training in Sanford."

IN 1945!!..About 70 YEARS ago!!...I think the South has made 'some' strides since then, don't you think?...ooops, maybe you don't.

Dork: "The line between Jackie Robinson and Trayvon Martin points to how institutional and systemic racism has actually always been in Sanford. Institutions change only when they are confronted and challenged. In Sanford, racist institutions took root and stayed."

You've asked them?? That part of your post is an opinionated ASSumption, or something you gathered from Robot, who thinks we're KKKers, too.
Not really super reliable, there.

Dork: "Zimmerman was the aggressor in the confrontation with Trayvon Martin. He disobeyed police, who told him to stay in his car and NOT try to confront him."

Do you think that the police may have had suspicions of Martin, as well?...being as they ADVISED Zim, not to confront him?..AND, getting out of his car, and following him, is not quite exactly 'aggression'.
Maybe 'curiosity' or wanting the unfamiliar face, to know somebody has an eye on him, but your JUMP to being 'the aggressor' is a bit of an overreach, don't ya' think???......Maybe not(it's easier for some people to speak BEFORE they think it through...

Dork: "But he was a wannabe cop, he had a gun, and he wanted to use it."

Oh???...HE WANTED to use it???...That's quite a JUMP there..and who told you that???...were you in his brain??....(maybe so, he did do some stupid things)

Dork: "A black teenager wearing a hoodie was a perfect target!"

A 'perfect target'?? For who?? You?? Robot?? a neighborhood watch guy with NO history od racial bias...in fact, if you would have done your homework beforehand, you'd know that Zim, worked with 'minorities' long before this stupid shit took place...look it up...but that might require some thinking, and harder yet, some reasoning!

Dork: "BUT absolving Zimmerman and releasing him back onto the streets again—and giving him his gun back!—is just giving this trigger-happy thug permission to do it again!"

The jury found him 'not guilty' AS CHARGED, so releasing him is usually what they do...especially if he was out on bail in the first place...and being 'not guilty' AS CHARGED, they have to release his propert back to him..but don't worry, the DoJ held it up, and now they still have the gun. Think Holder will sell it to a drug cartel??

Dork: "...is just giving this trigger-happy thug permission to do it again!".

Trigger happy?? Thug?..If he was either of those, he would have shot him, before he was on the ground, with nowhere to go but being punched out.
THESE are trigger happy thugs, which you quietly skipped over, not a peep!

Why don't you and the Robot, actually go into your local ghettos, and DO something to make life better, all the way around??
Answer: Because other than on here, trying to be the spokesman for the black community, I don't think either of you give a shit, except on here, to try to impress the other wannabe 'so-called liberals' that you're 'more deeply concerned about them'...just so long as it doesn't mean you have to get down WITH them!
Phil Ochs nailed you lightweights, years ago!..Maybe if you wave your arms and frantically stomp around and make a fuss, nobody will suspect you of not giving a shit, anyway!
...I mean, you didn't give a shit about your kid, now you want us to believe that you've wrapped yourself in blankets of deep concern for your fellow man????
Give me a fucking break!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 05:07 PM

Your posts over a long period of time are the evidence of your reverse bigotry.

And by the way, Q, its a shame we can't have Azizi's commentary on that statement or the commentary of other Black folks..

Gotta remember, MudCat is an all-White forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 05:04 PM

Quoth Q: I will say no more.

You WILL say no more, or you've been caaught out and CAN'T say any more in substantiation of your ridiculous charge?

And yes, I know, "Some of your best friends are Negroes."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:56 PM

There are some solidly established facts here.

The town of Sanford, Florida has historically been a hotbed of KKK activity, including the town's refusal to let Jackie Robinson, the first black baseball player hired by the Brooklyn Dodgers, to participate in spring training in Sanford.

The line between Jackie Robinson and Trayvon Martin points to how institutional and systemic racism has actually always been in Sanford. Institutions change only when they are confronted and challenged. In Sanford, racist institutions took root and stayed.

Those are provable, indisputable facts.

Zimmerman was the aggressor in the confrontation with Trayvon Martin. He disobeyed police, who told him to stay in his car and NOT try to confront him. But he was a wannabe cop, he had a gun, and he wanted to use it. A black teenager wearing a hoodie was a perfect target!

Who, in a town with a history--and set of attitudes--like Sanford's, would question him?

I am not in favor of capital punishment. BUT absolving Zimmerman and releasing him back onto the streets again—and giving him his gun back!—is just giving this trigger-happy thug permission to do it again!

But that's the way it is. In Sanford, Florida.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:50 PM

Greg, yes, you are correct...the numbers thank God, are really down. What I strongly object to, is wannabe activists, are accusing people on here, in Mudcat-land, of being KKK, so on and so forth, and then proceed to trash them out, based on their completely erroneous accusations...and when that happens, you bet I'll get in their faces about it!
Frankly, the Zimmerman/Martin case has taken on the role of beating a dead horse.

BTW, nice to see a post from you that goes beyond your 'normal fare'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM

Your posts over a long period of time are the evidence of your reverse bigotry.

I will say no more.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:39 PM

No-one is saying that justice for Blacks in the South isn't POSSIBLE, Q - It is. But its certainly, shall we say, a great deal less than universal.

And as for the Klan and the Klan mentality - absent the robes and rigmarol e- it is very much alive and well, if in fewer numbers than heretofore.

That someone would deny both of these facts is ALSO stupid and sickening.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:11 PM

I do not deny that the racist issues exist.

But the blanket application of the KKK brush and denial that justice for Blacks in the South is possible, is stupid and sickening.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 03:39 PM

SJL, I do not think Zimmerman is blameless in all this. What I've been trying to point out, repeatedly, is that because there was a rush to turn this into a racially charged motivated issue, so much, that they screwed up the legal process, circumvented the Grand Jury, instead of doing it correctly...THEN they want to bitch, and blame everybody for being racists, when in reality that was NOT the issue at all. THEY were the ones, in their eagerness to turn it into one, that sabotaged the whole thing! I've said, previously, that Zimmerman could, and should have been charged and tried appropriately, but it was the race baiting, for profit, bigots that derailed it all. Now they are trying to shift the focus, when in fact it was them who caused it to happen, Fair enough?

BTW, glad you liked the piece. Every note was played 'live' with no pre-programming of sequencers or parts. ...and just a little over 86,000 notes!

Ok..you get to shut up, now....(wink)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 03:30 PM

Sorry, Q, Bobert doesn't hate the South or Southerners.(nor do I, for that matter) Bobert IS a Southerner, born and bred. What he hates is the persistent racism in this country and the legacy, still very much with us, of Slavery and Jim Crow.

More to the point, why should anyone listen to YOU denying these issues exist and brushing them aside as "hate for the South and Southerners"???

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 03:23 PM

Guest,SJL has the right of it.

Goofball, everybody who reads your stuff knows that you are a hopeless moron. Why don't you stop embarrassing yourself and just go away!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 01:51 PM

I looked into it gnu and the kind of document you are looking for must be obtained from the court. You cannot find it online. The video is available all over the web.

Btw, GfS, I listened to your piece on the tavern thread. Very nice bit of keyboard wizardry. Now, shut the hell up :-)

This is not rocket science here. In any violent encounter, there is a primary aggressor. Stalking and confronting is aggression. There's no question that George Zimmerman was the primary aggressor. In order to acquit George Zimmerman, you'd have to believe that Trayvon Martin attacked him. You would only be willing to accept something like that as a given means that you harbor deep seated notions about the criminality of young black men. Otherwise you would realize that the absence of Zimmerman DNA logically indicates that Zimmerman injuries were the direct result of him trying to subdue someone who was fighting being subdued. A good head butting would have caused a bump on the nose. It was no aggressive punch. If you are trying to take down somebody who is fighting it and you are not up to the task, you're going to get hurt. Period. And then of course, because you fancy yourself a cop, you shoot. And I'm not convinced that the gun wasn't already out prior to the final moments. He was Joe cop. You gotta remember that.

Everything that sociopathic son of a bitch said is a lie. He is a liar. I don't know how that business of lying to the court about the donation money escaped everybody. I would never lie to a court, would you? It speaks to his character. Anybody who would lie to a court over money, is certainly going to lie to save his life! Get a grip all of you who say it was a worthy verdict. I think the first juror, the wife of the lawyer who answered all the questions correctly (but dishonestly) because she wanted on that jury dazzled the rest of them with her legalese and led them in that direction. You can any small group like that together and the most dominant personality surfaces. She was solidly in Zimmerman's corner from the start. If the second juror really felt that way, then she should have held the jury up instead of allowing the other members to bully her into the wrong verdict. I would have sat there until hell froze over and and shook my head and said, "Uh-uh, manslaughter." I do think it was murder with a depraved mind, however, the evidence supports manslaughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 01:50 PM

Are you capable having a discussion, that doesn't rely on your inane name-calling??
Though you 'claim' to have a command of the language, how come you say virtually nothing? You fuck up facts, you refuse them when they are presented, you insist on defending your stance on decadence, you interject your thoughts, as to what people post..then, argue with the words you interjected, that was NEVER said by the poster, to whom you attribute it to.
Somehow, you think Zimmerman getting out of his car, is a crime, even if the cops ADVISED him not to..and then disregard that Martin assaulted him, had him on the ground beating him, when the shot was fired. You insist that it was all racial, when the FBI, his mother, witnesses, the jury, all are saying otherwise...but to LOOK like a 'concerned'(?) wannabe activist, you insist that it was all racial...and REFUSE to consider that the jury only acquitted Zimmerman, because they didn't get to hear your stupid, fucking, ignorant opinions!!!
Not only that, your 'teaming up' with Robot, has completely minimized any 'opinions' he has, and made him sound like a complete moron!
Both of you, are LITERALLY beyond belief!! You've turned your political, nonsensical rantings, and believe them as actual facts!..(but then you're known for that--see above). You'd lynch Zimmerman for getting out of his car, and forget the rest of what happened!!?!!
Frankly, your and Robot's rants have just about bored people to tears, so much, that if they never heard the names Martin and Zimmerman again, for the rest of their lives, it wouldn't be too soon!
Here, you and the Robot, sniffle because Trayvon was an innocent kid, just on his way back from the store with Skittles and innocently got shot....and turned it into a interracial crusade, because this poor little sweet black kid was shot by a 'white/Hispanic' bigot, RIGHT??? It didn't matter that self defensed is how the jury called it, and the state couldn't proof otherwise...YOU GUYS want to champion the poor little kid from being killed because of race????? COOL ....CHAMPION THIS...YOU HYPOCRITES!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 01:20 PM

Goofball, your above post is a real outpouring of ignorance and hatred. You tell ME to seek professional help when YOU are spitting vitriol like that?

Despite your tenuous command of the English language, that's one of the most eloquent of your posts so far. But it tells us more about YOU than what you apparently think you're talking about.

YOU ARE REALLY ONE SICK PUPPY!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 12:49 PM

Goofball, "Judge not, lest YE be judged!"

And remember:   You are judged for the judgments YOU make.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 12:28 PM

Self hatred??? He lives in the South.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 12:16 PM

"Only KKK"

You have no respect for the jury system. You have no respect for North Carolinians. You condemn anyone who does not share your hate of the South and Southerners.

Why should anyone listen to you?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 05:40 AM

Dork First: "Those are not "straws," Goofball, that's what, in a sane, just world, is called
EVIDENCE
Even if the court ignored it."

They are straws, just like your whole bullshit argument based solely on your fucked up opinions...which happen to be detached from reality.
What do you need 'EVIDENCE' for??..Going to court??? It already went to court...and there wasn't enough 'EVIDENCE' that you approve of, to convict him...mostly because what you consider 'EVIDENCE' is just your wannabe political conjecture!
You really are fucked up...and you seriously should seek professional help..even though it would be a waste of time and money!

The two of you guys come off like Abbott and Costello. I'm sure you can't see it...but you sprinkle your 'seed', and knock this chick up..split..the chick goes on welfare....and Robot is a welfare worker!..Perfect!..You NEED somebody to pick up your slack!..Only thing is, it ain't washin' here, and you ain't fooling anybody, but your welfare worker!..who is already predisposed to think everyone is a KKK nutcase!!.......Good grief!!

Froth: "EVIDENCE
Even if the court ignored it."

They didn't ignore it. They ignored idiotic opinions, such as yours, and acquitted Zimmerman of grounds of self defense..not race...not getting out of his car...not profiling...self defense. He was on the ground, (eyewitness testified), getting hit...and shot the fucking punk! Tragic? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Fucked up trial? Only because it was rushed through to appease political asshole big mouths like you! Ignored 'EVIDENCE'?? That's why they NORMALLY convene a Grand Jury FIRST!
So stuff one thumb in your mouth and the other in your ass..maybe it will keep the odor of your opinions where they should be.

We're done...You and Robot, are too blocked, and fucked up, to digest reality!..and so you make up your own....but lack common sense....Wait a minute...where did I just read that?...Oh yeah...

Proverbs 6:8 "A young man devoid of understanding,
8 Passing along the street near her corner;
And he took the path to her house
9 In the twilight, in the evening,
In the black and dark night."

Proverbs 6:14 "with perverted heart devises evil, continually sowing discord;"

,,and here, pick a translation..English Standard Version (© 2001)
He who commits adultery lacks sense; he who does it destroys himself.

King James Bible
But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.

American Standard Version
He that commits adultery with a woman is void of understanding: and lacks common sense. He who does it who would destroy his own soul."

In other words, you've been nuts and fucked up for a LONG time. That's why you NEED a lackey...to validate yourself to your self.

In reality, you are not taken, or to be taken seriously.

Good Night, Gracie!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 12:59 AM

Yell all you want...you guys are nuts!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 08:00 PM

Q... trust you to be a voice of reason... "Gnu, if you get the transcript and reach your judgement on the basis of the evidence and court direction contained in it, you will be alone among all the opinionated shit-stirrers who post to this thread."

I am gonna leave this thread for good until I get that full transcript but I have to say something before I leave.

How dare you! How dare you interpret the meager evidence you have to make ANY judgement about either of these men? WTF is wrong with you? I am absolutely appalled by your behaviour. Any true and honest man would shun you. Shame on you. Shame!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 07:29 PM

Really, Goofball, you're in grave danger of committing suicide with the same weapon that Samson used to kill a thousand Philistines.

Think about it!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 07:19 PM

Yeah, the modern day KKKers don't see themselves as the new Klan but they very much are...

They still support the murder of innocent black people...

Martin went to the fucking store for candy and ended up stalked and murdered by an older, larger and armed man...

Only a KKKer would defend the killer... Only KKK...

GfinS may see himself differently but those of us who grew up in the South know his type...

Ain't no robot here, GfinS, but good try...

You need to check out your values, dude, 'cause you don't have a clue just how you are seen when you write this crap...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 07:06 PM

Oh! And those KKK'ers and White Supremecists you're asking about? You're following right on their coat tails (In fact, I recognize you there under your sheet and pointy hood).

By the way, the reason the KKK wear those pointy hoods is because they fit their pointy heads.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 06:58 PM

Those are not "straws," Goofball, that's what, in a sane, just world, is called

EVIDENCE
Even if the court ignored it.

I know it's hard for you, but DO try to keep up.

Don Firth