BS: Winter election in Canuckville???

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:58 PM

Looks like he spends more time on his hair than his thinking. Maybe CNN could hire him to deliver the 'news'.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:54 PM

Oh my... it get's beyond idiotic... it becomes ludicrous

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM

YO! Bucky! Wake up! There's a lot to chew on. Not all poplar...

Day care? Don't care? Health care? Won't care? Tax cuts? Kick in the nuts? Separate? Ingrate? Oil? Despoil? Cow? Bow? Education? Subdugation? War? Whore?.... nevermind. I think I'll take a nap myself. Too cold for an errection anyway. Oh, yeah... immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 01:59 PM

Huh? What? (*blink, blink*) Election? Now? Awwww...nooo... (groans, rolls over, and goes back to sleep)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:55 PM

That $500.00 tax bread actually amounts to about $80.00. You can use the amount of registration fees as a tax deduction.

I agree, why not give it to public education for better P.E. programs if he is interested in the health of our children. It could also be used to enhance the music programs.

Buying votes is sooooooooooo transparent. What an idiot. More idiotic if you buy into it.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 11:36 AM

For those with a burning desire to know the truth re Harper's musical talents/knowledge/expertise, the following is an excerpt from the Globe and Mail (Insider's Edition):

"Saturday, December 10, 2005, Page A9

Harper sings Lennon: You know how hard it can be

Hot: Stephen Harper. The Conservative Leader actually ventured to the back of his campaign aircraft Thursday night to sing to reporters. And it wasn't to sing policy.

A John Lennon fan, Mr. Harper was honouring the 25th anniversary of the musician's death and sang a verse of The Ballad of John and Yoko. He told reporters that the day has been forever etched in his mind."


Hmm. This explains alot. So he thinks he knows how hard it can be? HA! To paraphrase BTO, he ain't seen nuthin yet!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:49 AM

Thanks for waking me up gnu, I was deep in hibernation.

Dang, it's too late for my wife to start having a bunch of kids so's we can take advantage of Stevie Wonder's generous offer, but it's not too late for me hmmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,*daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:33 AM

K, it's true, according to the CBC.

The tax credit, aimed at parents with children under 16, would allow them to claim $500 in registration fees per child, to "provide modest tax assistance for families who have kids in sports and fitness activities," Harper said

Y'know, I'm glad I learned long ago not to watch the news before bed. This is real upsetting! I got nothing against sports, sports are great, but .... what about music, I say!   I wanna see a $200 donation per Canadian public school student, from the federal gov't, to be spent on high quality, mandatory public school music programs from JK up to Gr 12. AND a $500 credit for parents of private music students under the age of 16 too.

That would do more for this nation than any amount donated for sports!   Music education produces smarter, happier, community-minded people who are more in touch with their emotions, their creativity and with each other. ANd the younger kids start, the better.   Music develops co-ordination and concentration, enhances memory, builds math and science and reading skills, encourages the ability to work independently and trouble-shoot one's problems without supervision. It develops self-discipline, as the student learns to prioritize and budget time wisely to meet goals. PLus, music is enjoyable - it's soul-food!

And scientists continue to discover how much musical education and practice builds the brain. Through regular use, certain areas of musicians' brains grow larger and heavier and better "interconnected" than non-musicians.

And bigger brains must take much longer to freeze, too. Hey, maybe that's what's wrong with Harper. Is he a musician? Does anyone know? Does he want to produce a generation of well-muscled dolts or what?!?

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:14 AM

I HOPE you're kidding, gnu! Gonna check the news right now, but if it's true what a flippin rip-off! $500 for kid's sports, but NOTHING for kid's music lessons? What is he thinkin?!? Does he want to raise up a generation of well-muscled ignoramuses, or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:11 AM

YO! BOBAD! WAKE UP! Stever just went above and beyond the call of stupidity by promising parents a $500 tax break for each kid invoved in an organized sport.

What's next? Any suggestions? Looks like Stever could use some.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:49 PM

Paul Martin would make a good baker or lawyer. Well, he IS a lawyer, isn't he? Jack Layton would make a great new age network chiropractor who treats 75 people simultaneously (at a $75 charge each) by playing musical tones on bells, and earns $7 million a year. I can just see it. Harper would make a good small town preacher or undertaker or car salesman. Duceppe would actually make a good politician! But...I'm really curious what the Communists and Marxist-Leninists have to offer in the leadership department... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 07:43 AM

Congrats youse guys!!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:42 PM

Good news for both of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:39 PM

Damn it!!!!
Bob.. I'm sorry.
I meant to acknowledge that today but forgot. I even had it marked down in my agenda (have to keep one even though retired.). You will toooooooo.

Never got to the agenda book because I was so excited in the fact that I could sing again. I had my vocal chord (fold) fixing yesterday and for the first time in almost two years I can sing without some words not coming out.

I'm a beer drinker but Scotch is my true drink. Just can't afford the good stuff. Wish I was there to share or even smell that bottle. It is a good one. All the very best and I mean it.
I think we should exchange phone numbers as there is a topic that is close to both of us that we should talk about.

Sorry to get off the topic folks but retirement is very important.
Beer
My number is 343434343434 Will pm you

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:58 PM

I'm headed to the same place tonight, Beer, as today was my last day at work and I've been having a little celebration with the 12 year old single malt I received as a send off - nectar of the gods.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:49 PM

I guess the bottle is empty and he/she is gone to sleep. Oops!!, just checked the photo area and he is a He.
Sleep well.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:59 PM

Vote for gnu for PM!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM

If we end up with another Liberal minority, it'll be another vote of non-con and another election in a year at most. Those f___ers in Ottawa don't give a frozen poop how much tax dollars are wasted this way. It's all part of the big game they play till they can wallow at the trough.

OTOH, I'm not sure I want a Liberal majority under Paul "I think I'm in the Wrong Party" Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:26 PM

Hmmm. I meant to say "your second sentence in the 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM" post.

My bad.

Still, it's all good.

****
Okay, sorry about that. Back to the discussion...

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

gnu, you are on a roll!

[and I don't mean a sandwich]

I particularly liked your "what I said" post [30 Nov 05 - 06:52 PM]
and your first sentence in the 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM was quite good too.

Write on!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM

Moose Point? That's in Ontariariario, right, eh? I would google that, eh, right, but, I need another Haluka just now.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:01 PM

Beer - I'm not voting Bloc (I live in B.C.) but I don't think having them in opposition is a bad thing. It keeps everyone on their toes, or should.

Naw - The Liberals will probably win another minority government which really makes this election a moot point.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:27 PM

Ah...but just think of what mental torture those go through who cannot decide whether to vote Communist or Marxist-Leninist!!!! ;-)

(almost as tough as choosing between Democrats and Republicans, I'd say...it's like being between a rock and a friggin' BOULDER!)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM

New Democrats? Well, Jack me off and Layton me down. How long they been around? Do they still avacado the disbursement of the Royal Canadian Armed Forces? Hey... I am union all the way... especially the Canadian Union, but ya cxan't have a Communist/Capitalist accounting system. Well, maybe you can when it comes to health care, and education, and day care, and job creation, and human rights, and.... hey... that Kahula is pretty good stuff.

brb...

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:10 PM

Hey, folks, do this...smile a big smile and relax! They can't mess up your Christmas if you don't let them, and your future happiness does NOT depend on a political party, it depends on you.

Besides, this too shall pass. And my guess is it will pass with barely a ripple in the greater scheme of things.

When voting day comes, go there with tongue placed firmly in cheek, vote for the guys you instinctively like the best, don't worry about the others, and remember...in 100 years from now NOBODY will care anyway! Heh!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:07 PM

... self-discriminatory...

"... self-discrinatory..." is obvious lysdexically transfoamed. Or, it could be the fact that I got an early Xmas present in the form of a bottle of Noclueahhh. Rather sweet, though. Unless you mix it with amber rum. That kinda takes the sugary taste away. Of course, if you wash it down with a beer every now and then, there's no problem.

Pleased saty tuned. Normal programming will resume... maybe tomorrow. Maybe not. We''ll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:07 PM

gnu: What about the New Democrats? Hehehehhe.....

Cheers, Seiri.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:01 PM

That was easy to understand.
I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 06:52 PM

I refuse to comment on certain comments on the grounds that they may be self-discrinatory. My comments, I mean... I think.

As for the Liberals, what I said was, when I said what I said, was not what I said. What I said was what I said. You have to listen to what I said and not what I said. I have proof of that.

As for the Conservatives, I said it and I don't care what you said, I ain't takin it back, no matter what anyone says, even if what I said was not what I should have said.

As for the Bloc, je dis, "Pas comment, moi". Know what I'm sayin?

And that's all I am sayin.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 01:09 PM

I was referring to your statement when you said you were making the big move. Voting Bloc......moving to Quebec and flying the Canadian flag. But now I see you were just saying these things in jest.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 12:36 PM

Please pardon that moment of sarcasm above, Adrien. Rest assured I wouldn't vote Bloc even if I could!

Why bring the Canadian flag Daylia? I'm sure you wouldn't want to promote the Bloc's drive for independance. That is their platform.

Do you mean that in Quebec, the presence of the Canadian flag indicates support for separation???

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:24 AM

If your voting Bloc, Daylia and Dianavan, then your voting for separation. Why bring the Canadian flag Daylia? I'm sure you wouldn't want to promote the Bloc's drive for independance. That is their platform. This is the worst possible time for a federal election. The Bloc will gain seats, our lack luster jerk primer Jean Charest will continue to decline giving the separatist movement exactly what they want.

It was some time around 1885 that Louis Real was hung for treason. Now we have worst in parliament getting paid Canadian $$ and preaching the destruction of our country. Then they also get our Canadian $$ for their pensions. A hundred and so years ago they would have been hung. Today this may seem a little extreme, but do we have to recognize their party? Do we have to let them sit in Ottawa preaching independance. Do we have to give them pensions? I'm 48 years in Quebec and this is the first time that I am truly worried as to what the next few years will bring. If it sepearted I wouldn't want to live here. But then I do have a wife who was born in La Belle Provance so she would have to be willing to move as well. Not a good position to be in.

So I ask you two. Don't vote Bloc. Don't even talk about supporting them traitors.
Beer (Adrien Doucette)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:30 AM

PS .... so who do you think "loves" Canada more?

"Mr. Martin later seized on the Mr. Harper's failure to swing at a reporter's softball political question -- "Do you love this country?"

Mr. Harper had answered with Spock-like enthusiasm that he thinks Canada is "great." He did not, however, say that, yes, he loves Canada. And Mr. Martin seized on it.

"This morning, I'm told that Stephen Harper had a little difficulty saying this, so let me say it: I love Canada!" Mr. Martin roared to wild applause at a Liberal rally in Ottawa..."

Is that a snow job or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:50 AM

WEll I'm about ready to vote for the Bloc this time round. ANd if I do, you can blame it on Stephen Harper. Or no ... blame it on gnu! He convinced me a while back that the Bloc won't spend half as much time or taxpayer's $$$ kissing Yankee butt as our other esteemed leaders.

Hey, they can't be worse than the Tories or the Grits! Yup, I'm all set to make the big move. To La Belle Province, that is. I'll be sure to bring my maple leaf toque, my Leafs "Sundin" jersey, my Tim Horton's mountain bike, and my big big BIG Canada flag to hang over my new front porch railing.

That oughta convince 'em to roll out la carpet rouge .... ou, la matte BIENVENUE ....

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:24 AM

what idiot ?

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 02:57 PM

I hope that a blinding prairie snowstorm shuts down the riding of Calgary Southwest on January 23 and that idiot doesn't even get to cast his vote. Idiot!!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 12:18 PM

I predict we'll end up with another Liberal minority, or even a majority. Either way the costs of an election are squandered.

I predict Liberal minority again. Between the seat bonus the Liberals get because we run under the FPTP system, the fear of the Conservative Party generally, and the fact that the Liberals have an iron-tight hold on Ontario and non-Bloc Quebec will give them what they need.

Cheers, Seiri.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:29 AM

The media has already told us what we think..God, I am tired of political pundits. Anyway, I will vote Liberal because I live in The Maritimes and the Bloc does not know we are here, The conservatives think we all buy our souwesters and wellies with welfare cheques, The NDP thinks Ontario is THE East and the Green Party doesn't know the ocean is Blue. What a silly bloody country, still I am glad I'm here and not in some war torn or weather battered place. So let's just get on with it, have a laugh or two and hope that none of it interferes with Hockey Night In Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:20 AM

The NDP should not have supported the government earlier, and they should have known that they wouldn't get anything of their agenda done with Liberal help. This was naive in the extreme, regardless of Jack Layton's good intentions. Had the government fallen months ago, a pre-Christmas election might have been okay. Either way the Liberal's days were numbered, but a winter election will piss off many voters...I don't care as I'm not voting for any of the big three parties.

I predict we'll end up with another Liberal minority, or even a majority. Either way the costs of an election are squandered.

Your tax dollars hard at work.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 06:59 AM

January 23 appears to be the date. Nine days after the full moon. Advance Poll anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 11:44 PM

Azizi -

That sounds like a pretty fair assessment of the issues and the parties.

One thing for sure, NOBODY in Canada appreciates a winter election or the idiots who pushed for non-confidence. The Conservatives will lose points for that alone. Campaigning will also be difficult. Nobody has their heart in an election when they would rather be enjoying the Christmas holidays.

Everyone is so mad at the Liberals and so afraid of the Conservatives that its hard to say which way the vote will go.

Personally, I'd like to see the NDP with the Bloc and Greens in opposition but that is very, very unlikely.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:30 PM

BTW, I envy Canadian government's no-confidence provision.

If the USA had such a provision, I believe that we'd be saying bye bye to Bush's government.

But that's a whole 'nother story, and I don't mean to hijack this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:28 PM

See a discussion of the no confidence vote in Canada:

Canadian Government Falls

Included in this dailykos discussion is a summary for Americans [meaning UnitedStaters] as to what this is all about and numerous comments from Canadians and UnitedStaters, too.

Here's an excerpt from that diary that was put together by fishhead
{Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 05:24:44 PM PDT}:

"Some American readers have been asking what some of the issues are in this election. Here is one version, most of which I cribbed and condensed from the wikipedia site in the interests of time.

Sponsorship scandal This issue continues to be a hindrance for the governing Liberals. The Liberals are currently being attacked and will undoubtedly continue to be hammered by the opposition on this issue, particularly by the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois. Already today, we have heard speeches by Tory Leader Harper and Bloc Leader Duceppe placing the scandal and "integrity in government" at the top of their election issues.

Health care This is a perennial top issue in Canada and is being pushed hard by the NDP and Liberals. In previous election campaigns both the Liberal Party, and the NDP have heavily campaigned to be seen as protectors of Canada's Medicare system. The new Conservative Party, and its predecessors have campaigned on "fixing" the Medicare system in various ways, but there are many on the right who support expanding private-sector health care or - as the Bloc favours - devolving power to the provinces (which essentially means more private health care).

Social Issues Though Canada's generally liberal social policies have enjoyed fairly consistent levels of support in the last decade, there are criticisms from the "Christian Right" and other conservative groups, especially in rural areas and among recent immigrants, that Canada's policies on abortion and same-sex marriage are too liberal. Expect the NDP and Liberals to hammer the Tories on this with a view to continuing to shut them out of gains in urban Canada. The so-called "Notwithstanding Clause" of the Canadian Charter of Rights would be required to revert to the traditional definition and over-ride the Supreme Court ruling on the matter. The Liberals and NDP have also adopted positions supporting the decriminalization of marijuana (a bill doing this died on the order paper) and legalizing prostitution.

The Economy and Taxation The Conservatives proposed to lower taxes significantly, but much of their thunder was stolen by recent tax cuts introduced by the Liberals (afforded by the NDP's withdrawal of support for the government). The Liberals can be expected to run on the fact the government has been raking in huge surpluses (thanks largely to booming resource, especially oil, sectors). Today, the Finance Minister was trumpeting the largest surpluses since Confederation. Expect the Tories to respond that this would allow more tax cuts - the NDP to argue that this should allow greater spending on health care, childcare, and other social programmes.

Canada-United States relations This issue has divided Canada more than ever since the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. Most Conservatives believe that closer relations with the United States (such as a North American security perimeter and deeper integration through NAFTA) are necessary for economic and political reasons. Most of the Bloc and NDP believe that Canada needs to move away from the United States, especially with the re-election of President Bush in 2004. The Liberals are split, with most tending to the NDP/Bloc side.

The Americans' rejection of NAFTA's final ruling in Canada's favour in the U.S.-Canada softwood lumber dispute on August 10, 2005 has raised questions about if and how Canada will retaliate. One thing Canada _has_ been doing is actively building markets in other parts of the world, in order to rectify the huge trade imbalance with the States (over two-thirds of our exports go to the US - Canada is the USA's largest supplier of petroleum, natural gas, and hydroelectricity). Expect the Liberals and NDP to paint the Tories as too pro-American. The phrase "American-style" is a favourite epithet in Canadian politics, usually followed by the phrase "health care," "justice system," "politics," etc.

Environment This is another perennial favourite. The Liberal government has been critized by several parties for its policies on environmental matters. Criticism has been expressed by all other parties regarding the Liberal party's management of Canada's carbon dioxide emissions, and how Canada will meet its obligations to the Kyoto Protocol. While the Conservative Party criticizes the Liberals' environmental plans as being fiscally irresponsible and unmanageable, the NDP, the Bloc Quebecois, and especially the Greens would like to see environmental protection as a priority for the federal government. Other environmental issues such as water quality in Aboriginal communities have also received attention."

-snip-

I'm curious to know if Canadian 'Catters think that this dailykos discussion is on point.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:56 PM

So I can't spell.
(Separatist)

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:34 PM

So do the seperatist.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 07:14 PM

This just in. The vote... idiots win.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:59 PM

A confidence motion. Instituted by the party that brought NAFTA in and had 22 cabinet ministers investigated on criminal charges. The PM was let off because the RCMP fucked up on procedure. And now this. Good lord help us all. The bells are ringing on CBC as I type.

Idiots!!

And guess who are the idiots?

I am so ashamed of my country.

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 11:12 AM

I'd like to soil mine.

CBC news: "It will be the first time since 1979 that a government has fallen at the hands of the opposition. About 35 bills will be left hanging, including an act to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana..."

Martin will, at least, have the dope vote.

Idiots!!

Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:54 AM

Well, as it stands right now I have to spoil my ballot.