BS: The GOP will steal the election [2012]

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 01:23 AM

IF they are as bad at managing a nation as they are at stealing an election, it's just as well...

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM

A-fucking-MEN!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 03:57 PM

With that in mind, I've just come in from a delightful hour spent on the front porch working on some fingerpicking. Stopped in for a brief look at the threads. I recommend more guitar playing. It does wonders for one's cheerful state of mind.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 03:42 PM

"The GOP will steal the election"

Well if they did they did a pretty bad job of it! Sounds like someone is working overtime to spread their paranoia around.
"Those you fear in their presence, you hate in absence!"

Fuck..just focus on your music....no need to nurture any 'fear and loathing'..it's a big fucking waste of time and energy! Give them something positive!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 02:37 PM

Sorry, 125 or so difference in the electoral college is not a landslide.   Except, as I noted, to someone ruled by wishful thinking.   Landslide--try 1964, 1972.

And particularly not a landslide in popular vote.

People should be glad of the outcome--and honest enough to see it as it is--a healthy victory by Obama. I'm glad of it--I worked for him and was somewhat concerned it was not a slam-dunk.    There were arguments he might not win--starting with "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Agonizing about "landslide" is a pointless exercise par excellence.

And, this time, possibly likely to lead to arrogance on the part of the winners. Now is the time for the country to come together--not to manufacture fake "landslides" .

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 02:00 PM

Actually, I think it is reasonable to conclude that it would have been a landslide absent the mostly failed voter suppression by the GOP.

How many people in poor and/or minority districts stood in line for hours, and then had to go to a job, or pick up the kids at school, and ended up not voting?

And it *was* an Obama landslide in the electoral college, and among women, blacks, and hispanics. Also a decisive win among asians. All tempered by a loss among white males (who generally did not have to wait in line and/or use provisional ballots, and who did not get mailers or telephone calls telling them the wrong place or time to vote, and did not have billboards on their streets warning them that attempting to vote could risk jail time) that made the popular vote *seem* close.

This is not the overall squeaker some are trying to portray.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 01:50 PM

Landslide?    Not likely.   

Healthy margin in electoral votes.

Quite close in popular vote. What, 2 million or so difference? Point is, those votes were where they needed to be to have a large electoral effect.

Landslide only in the mind of someone who specializes in wishful thinking==and lurches madly from fear the election will be stolen to a conviction that "the people" overcame "the system".

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 12:34 PM

The reason that the voter suppression by the GOP poll watchers and the crooked DRE
machines didn't work this time is because Obama's victory was a landslide despite what the misleading pundits and networks claim. The people overwhelmed the vote, many after Sandy, standing in line for hours because they realized that if Romney got in, they would be screwed.
This is particularly true for African-Americans, Latinos and Asians who will in future years comprise the major population of the U.S.

The Old White Boy network failed because the Rove's of the world were overwhelmed.

Still, elections are in jeopardy since they have been farmed out to corporations with no accountability. Other countries use paper ballots, hand counted at the precinct level to advantage over election fraud.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: bobad
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:18 PM

It's too bad that a large segment of the population will dismiss her and what she says as the ravings of a liberal, left wing, pinko, commie, socialist etc. etc.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 02:22 PM

Rachel Maddow--RIGHT ON!!

Egad! There actually IS intelligent life on this planet!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 02:13 PM

Rachel Maddow on Obama's Re-election. The woman is a genius.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 02:12 PM

It is perfectly obvious that this election was stolen. It was stolen by both Obama AND the GOP, workin' together in concert to deny democracy. How do I know this? Simple. I didn't win!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 01:52 PM

I replied to your post about Danny Spillane from Rochester NY. If you want to contact me my email is [e-mail].

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 10:55 PM

There have been reports by each side accusing the other of fraud.   Lots of smoke, not much fire--to put it mildly.

It is certainly true that the GOP has been the one trying to restrict voting.   More suicidal behavior--since it alienates the young and growing blocs of voters.

Now is about the time for the start of a civil war in the GOP between those who recognize the self-destructive path the party is now on and the current "leadership."



Among other things, this is why immigration reform will definitely happen in the next 4 years--sooner rather than later.   There are in fact enough Republicans who realize the other option is political oblivion.


And there are conservative Hispanics who could be recruited by the GOP--if the immigration issue were eliminated

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Arkie
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 10:07 AM

Doesn't it seem ironic that Democrats emphasize getting people out to vote and Republicans put so much effort in restricting people from voting. Add to that every instance of voting fraud that I have seen reported was engineered by Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:43 PM

No one will ever know how big the Dem victory would have been had that long list of Repub voter suppression tricks not been in play...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:29 PM

Congratulations on your gold medal, Richard-- in Leaping To Conclusions.

See my post elsewhere on my personal voting experience--which, to be gentle, illustrates that perhaps you may not be eligible for any other Olympic event--such as thinking.

So sorry I have no more time to waste on you.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:36 AM

Glad to hear you admit you were wrong. Now all you have to do is admit the thread was worse than totally worthless--because it encouraged people not to vote, since the election would be stolen anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:36 AM

Glad to hear you admit you were wrong. Now all you have to do is admit the thread was worse than totally worthless--because it encouraged people not to vote, since the election would be stolen anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:35 AM

Ron, watch the video of the voting machine flipping votes.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:26 AM

I'm happy to say that I was wrong; the people won out over the dissembling and cheating GOP'ers. The real winner was democracy over oligarchic ads by the cold Kochs and the mistake by the SCOTUS of unlimited spending, the so-called Citizen's United, and the quite provable flipping of votes in these machines.

The problem is still there. We need to go back to hand counted paper ballots that are transparent, done on site in order to have a full account of a fair democratic election.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 11:50 PM

And now, may we respectfully ask the illustrious OP and fellow giant intellects who subscribe to his theory just why their brilliant analysis did not pan out?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 04:06 PM

machine flips vote

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:22 PM

Misanthropes can make racist comments.

Of course there are differences between the two Parties but you would have to be an American citizen to understand this. The impact on health care is a case in point.
Under Obama, Medicare is being honored, not sold to Wall Street. Also, the expiration of the tax reduction among rich Republicans will happen under Obama. The crucial point is the selection of Supreme Court justices. If Romney gets in, goodbye Roe v. Wade. That's a huge difference impacting women and men.

Obama will not get rid of Planned Parenthood, a necessary adjunct to women's health.
As LH says, Obama is entirely preferable to slippery flip-flopping Romney who has no policy to help the many who are out of work or uninsured. His "plan" is bogus and the proof of this is he can't define in detail what it is. This is why he has to steal the election.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:12 PM

""I have repeatedly said that I much prefer the Democrats to the Republicans, I always have, and that I much prefer Obama to Romney. You never seem to notice or remember when I say things like that for some reason.""

Could it be, LH, that your protestation is to a great extent nullified by the fact that you are trying to persuade everybody else that there is no difference between the parties?

With all possible respect, surely you can see that must lead to somewhat of a credibility gap.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:42 AM

I'm not a racist or Republican. I'm a misanthrope. And darned proud.
=(:-( D)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:28 AM

What you don't understand about paper ballots being used in Ohio counties is:
These ballots are not hand counted. They are machine counted and will come up
with the amount of votes that machine tallies. This can be tampered with and this
is no conspiracy theory. It's important that heads come out of the sand on this issue.

The New Republic has been a sell-out on issues for years.

The plan to contest Florida, Ohio and a few other states was only done after it was
established that the Republican crooks cheated by tampering with the machines.

"He was overwhelmed with his newfound Miss Amerika status.
The First Negro President of the United States of Amerika!!!!"

This is typical GOP racist crap and shows the real ugliness of that Party.

As for Romney and his arrogant son Tagg, they stand in the way of an honest election.

Obama would have to win by a landslide to overcome GOP crookedness and dirty tricks.
Do you honestly think that's going to happen? Get real.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: pdq
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:11 AM

The Atlantic should put a warning sticker on the cover that it is pure Democrat propoganda, cover to cover.

At least New Republic and most conservative magazines tell you what they are and do not attempt to pass themselves off as "news" or impartial opinion.

This is part of the Democrat plan to contest Florida, Ohio and a few other states in court as they did in 2000. They are building up the story ahead of time so that it will be no suprise. The have thousands of lawyer at the ready.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: bobad
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 09:29 AM

They're trying their damnedest in Ohio and Florida:

"A national disgrace: Partisan decisions in Ohio and Florida have forced voters to wait on line for hours before they can cast their ballots."

The Atlantic

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 07:41 AM

Then he just became overwhelmed.
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 07:35 AM

He was overwhelmed with his newfound Miss Amerika status.
The First Negro President of the United States of Amerika!!!!
=(:-( O)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:50 AM

As an aside, my friends from the upper echelons of the Chicago Democrats are deeply disappointed in President Obama.
They say he failed to see or take on board the severity of the impending crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:45 AM

The future will demand both conservative grit/ personal responsibility AND socialist compassion.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:37 AM

Rubbish Richard!.....look at the landslide of "liberal" votes which propelled Mr Blair to power.

An ego driven war criminal, a privatiser in chief, a dangerous "liberal" lunatic.

Other than that he was rather a nice chap.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:22 AM

That's right. I may vote Green Party this time.
Never for Republicans or Democrats.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:17 AM

Let us use votes so as to minimise harm. Votes for Republicans and conservatives are votes to enable the rich to hurt the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:26 AM

You're 100% right, ake.
So was Orwell.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 03:51 AM

You say Little Hawk's contributions are pointless, but there is nothing more pointless than burying your head in the sand and refusing to accept that something is badly wrong with the western economic and social system.

Something very bad is about to happen.....and I dont mean the election of Mr Romney.
Our living standards are about to take a massive hit....it has already stated in the UK, youth unemployment at a ridiculously high level, public services, savings, pensions and benefits under daily attack by our govt.

Regardless of which party is in power we are going to be much less well off and that always means under this system, that the poor are going to feel most of the pain.

I just wish, that instead of insulting others, you would take the time to examine what is being done to us all by a system which was supposed to provide everlasting growth.

It is not rocket science!......We are all going to be poorer, lets use that opportunity to really change society in a way that means we will no longer be "economic slaves"

UK and US politics is a game divised to protect a dicredited system, that used to be concealed from us......now it is right out in the open, but still the 99% are blind.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 09:16 PM

Romney a grownup?

He's more of a fu*kup and a liar, and a childish one at that.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:53 PM

Mitt Romney the grown up???

No, he is a hot head... He is ill-tempered... He interrupts people... He is arrogant... He thinks of himself as the world's boss...

No thanks... I've had enough bosses... America doesn't need a boss ritght now... It needs a president... One who ain't gonna tell you to "shut the f up" like Romney all but says when real people try to ask him questions... The guy who asked Romney about corporation being people got the "Shut the f up" Romney response...

I don't want a president telling anyone to "Shut the f up"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: pdq
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:35 PM

Nothing spoiled brats hate more than a real grownup.

Mitt Romney is a grownup.

After the election, the BS will continue.

Sorry, but you will have to get used to it.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: number 6
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:07 PM

Ok ... my post is off topic to the subject of this thread ... but I'll rant here regardless .... I can't wait until this shtooopid U.S. election is over with and things will return to the norm (e.g. as it was before the election, regardless of who wins) and my Facebook page will cease to be polluted with all these never ending ridiculous pro Obama, and curse the Mitt posts from my American and yes even some of my Canadian contacts.

so there

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 07:17 PM

Your personal animosity and your vendetta toward me, Ron, does you little credit.

I have repeatedly said that I much prefer the Democrats to the Republicans, I always have, and that I much prefer Obama to Romney. You never seem to notice or remember when I say things like that for some reason. Would it interfere in some way with your apparent need to personally attack me because our opinions don't always dovetail?

What sense is there in personally insulting people all the time just because they don't see something exactly the way you do? You insult me. You insult Bobert. You personally insult anyone at all who says anything you don't totally agree with. Why do you do it? What will it achieve, other than causing continual bad feelings between you and the various people you insult? Is that how adults should behave? I don't think so.

You can't work out anything worthwhile with anyone by continually verbally pissing on them and sneering at them, Ron. You know what that is? It's the tactics of a bully. It's mean, it's small-minded, it's bitter, it's the deliberate intent to emotionally hurt another person. On most moderated forums, you'd not even be allowed to keep doing it. They'd delete your posts or terminate your membership.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 07:09 PM

Skype? I don't think that would be a good idea for most folkies I've met. Of course it might be different with American folkies, but I doubt it.
....................................

Big Media? What's your problem Ron? Surely that just means the same as what most pundits of all political persuasions mean when they say "the media" - except that it has the virtue of being more accurate, since, if you are being even minimally pedantic, "the media" properly includes the whole range of communication methods, including emails and phone calls. (You might disagree with various claims made about "the media"/"Big Media", but that's quite another matter.)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 07:02 PM

No need to apologize, Ron... I knew what you meant...

Actually, the "pointless forest" seems to be like a cancer and getting larger by the day...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:57 PM

Sorry, I was wrong; it's the Leftist Meaningless Jargon Society. My apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:50 PM

Sorry, Bobert.   "Big Media" is a term owned by LH.    Cannot be used without special permission--I'm sure his rates are reasonable.

But you must be be a member of the Leftist Pointless Jargon Society--I'm sure he'll tell you the dues, meeting times, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:43 PM

What can not be disputed is that the Republicans have:

1. lived at the anti-government hitching post and pushed 3 decades of government hating which tends to make people say "Screw it, they are both the same... I ain't voting"... In other words, voter supression...

2, used every statehoues where they have a majority to pass voter suppression laws/voter intimidation laws...

3. have ownership of Big Media wrapped up...

4. are benefiting drastically from "Citizens United" over the Dems...

These are not even remotely arguable...

What it boils down to, without having to get into any conspiracy theories about voting machines, mail-outs to Latino voters threatening deportation of family members, etc, is that the Republicans have gamed the system to win/steal elections much better than the Dems over the last 30 years...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:20 PM

VA, CO, NH, NV--none of them solid for Romney.

Particularly with a timely assist from Mr. Johnson--as I indicated.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:17 PM

By the way, for those who actually want to help Obama, even at this late date--rather than whine-- you can call people in the swing states--and even do it without leaving your house. Living in MD, I've made over 100 calls to VA voters so far.   There's an online tool which gives you the numbers to call and suggested information to use. And the campaign is pushing this idea hard.   PM me if you want further information.

Supposedly there was a way to do it through Skype, but that system was not made clear.    But it's certainly a modest expenditure of time and money to do it yourself.

And it's almost as much fun as pointless hand-wringing ad nauseam on Mudcat.

But not quite, of course.