BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:32 PM

While you pass gas?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 06:37 PM

Pass around your smoke, old chap. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 06:32 PM

So, let me try to understand. The Queen owns everything, including the land I am typing from (if I don't pay my rent (taxes) she takes it back). She pays a shitload to the treasury and she gets little back in comparison according to posts above. She brokers contacts all over the world among royalty and elite and politicians. She gets shit done. She directs the military of Britain and other countries in support of Brit companies who dominate the world's oil and food supplies.

Seems to me... I wouldn't fuck with the "Royals". I think I would wave the flag.... and pay my taxes.

Now, is all my conjecture a load of shit? Well, I watched The Jubilee celebrations. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, eh what? Any of you detractors getting a flypast by the ROYAL Air Force? God save YOUR Queen if you don't. Piss and moan all you want... it ain't gonna change the way the world works. She owns your ass and yer lucky she does.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 06:26 PM

Well said, Tunesmith. Those who measure the popularity of the royals by the numbers of royalty-supporting tabloids peddled had better remember that tabloid sales also crucially depend on the amounts of naked dolly-bird titties and naked dolly-bird arses they can legally get away with portraying, as well as the number of celebrity sex scandals they can stuff their pages with. Slagging off disabled benefits claimants and the housing benefit claimant victims of avaricious London landlords also sell well. Not to speak of veiled, or not so veiled, calls to send immigrants, especially black ones, "back to where they came from" (though sending black people back to Canning Town would seem to be slightly pointless...). Oh yes, support of the royals fits very well indeed with all these other oh-so-desirable tabloid policies! Pile 'em high 'n' sell 'em cheap!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:59 PM

Well, it's very nice of the Crown to contribute £242 million to the Treasury. But the Crown Estate, and all the other royal holdings, belong to the nation, if you care to go back far enough. They were all stolen from the ordinary people of this country by the ancestors of those who hold them now, and are now used, landlordistically, to further fleece the people they were stolen from. Tell us what proportion of the total income of the Crown Estate et al. £242 million is. That would be quite revealing - and quite small. But you'll never be able to find out. Ask yourself why. Then calculate what the take would be if the Crown Estate et al. were fairly divided among ordinary, hard-working, honest, tax-paying people who couldn't, or wouldn't, afford armies of accountants to minimise the tax take of the state. Why, we could probably pay off all of Spain's debts!

Any man who is sad because he disagrees with you is, indeed, a very happy man, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:46 PM

That was to Teribus.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:45 PM

No I do not. I take the manifestation of the point as made by Keith to be the mark of a double standard. Keith may well have opposed the invasion of Iraq - how would I know - but people just like Keith would have taken the one-million-out vs. 59 million stay-at-homes as evidence that we wanted that war. That's all. Anyone wishing to take the one million on the banks of the Thames (police estimate: 50,000 ;-))as a sure sign that the whole nation wants the monarchy had better remember Red Robbo and his show-of-hands ballots in the 70s...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:41 PM

"Treasury that receives £242million from "The Crown Estate..."

Really? Are you saying that they pay taxes? More taxes than the receive in "income" from the public coffers?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:40 PM

And what exactly has Her Maj ever done to earn my respect?
As I said Steve, no-one has to bow.
People who do, do it because they want to.
You are free not to Steve, so what is your point?
Would you make it an offence to show respect to the Queen?

You are a sad man Steve.
To favour a republic is a perfectly respectable view, but you are obsessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:23 PM

"A million Brits stood in the rain and wind. Fifty-nine million Brits did not."

Ah so you accept the same argument as being equally indicative with regard to the anti-war protesters do you Steve?

"Well, according to the ever-reliable wikipedia: "Only the Queen officially receives direct funding from the Civil List. The Queen's consort (Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh) receives £359,000 per year. The Queen, as head of state, receives £7,900,000 from the Civil List to defray some of the official expenditure of the monarchy."

Er, isn't this funded by the Treasury?"

It WAS funded by the Treasury - a Treasury that receives £242million from "The Crown Estate"; "The Duchy of Lancaster" & "The Duchy of Cornwall" now tell me how much you contributed through your taxes to the £7.9million??

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:05 PM

This business about "I want to be a citizen not a subject" really is a bit of a bore. If you're British,you're a British Citizen. The fact that the country has a hereditary monarchy is irrelevant. If the monarchy were to be abolished tomorrow they'd still be citizens - and if the monarchy were restored the next day, they'd still be citizens.

The same applies to Australians and Canadians and so forth. All citizens of their respective countries.

There are arguments for dispensing with the hereditary monarchy - but stuff about citizens and subjects are completely irrelevant and just get in the way of any sensible discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 03:17 PM

MthGM, well, it's simple - but just for you - I'll spell it out nice and plainly.

In Britain we have dozens of celeb mags and they sell like crazy.

Why? Probably because lots of people feel celebrities lead a far more exciting life than them and want a glimpse into - what they perceive as - their rich glittering world.

And, I've no doubt, these "celeb lovers" bathe warmly in the reflected glow of these "super people".

Right, got it so far? Celebrity sells!

Now the Queen is the biggest celebrity in the country.
Are you still with me?

Now - this bit might challenge you, but hang in there!

So the papers feed their readers lots of glamorous stories of the Queen and her wonderful family.

Still there MthGM?

The public gobble it up and want more and more.

And, boy do they get more.

If we got rid of the Queen, how would all people get their "fantasy fixes"?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 02:30 PM

Hope - Nepal, a monarchy when I visited, is now the Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM

a."there is a very strong anti-Monarchy feeling in the country but when is that voice heard?" ~~ Tunesmith

b. "The media, of course, love the royals because they sell newspapers!- lots of them." ~~ ditto: later same post

.,.,

If 'a', then why 'b'? Where are the anti-monarchist papers that sell millions to those who hold the 'very strong feeling' ref'd to in 'a'?

I think you & your lot might just be a teenyweeny itsybitsy bit confused, Tunesmith dear.

Nezza mind; dear dear; diddums!

〠☺〠~M~〠☺〠

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 01:27 PM

I don't have any strong feelings for or against the monarchy

Why not?


We only have to look at recent revelations about our politicians to see that.

Well yes, a minority of MPs fiddled their expenses claims because a very lax system allowed them to do so. I once claimed overnight meals and accommodation and rail fares for an interview I attended, which I drove to and back from on the same day, taking a flask and sandwiches. The claim form was a no-questions-asked-no-receipts job. What a naughty boy I was! I was very annoyed about those MPs, just like everybody else, but let's not get carried away. We taxpayers have just cheerfully handed over God knows how many more times that amount so that the richest woman in the world can have a four-day party and embed herself even more deeply in the affections of the gullible. If you don't feel strongly about the royals, you sure as hell can't be feeling too strongly about those politicos either.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 12:46 PM

From an article I reead, very little got paid to stewards, accomodation under London Bridge, and provided food consisting of a sandwich in a paper bag - and no wages. It would be nore appropriate to complain about the money paid to the company that provided the stewards

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: BrendanB
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 12:10 PM

I don't have any strong feelings for or against the monarchy but one or two thoughts occur. The last time this country tried going without a monarchy it didn't last very long before the restoration took place but perhaps things would be different if we tried again, different folks, different strokes as they say. However, I seem to recall that it wasn't long before Oliver Cromwell was requiring more money from Parliament than Charles I had ever done.
We need a head of state if our version of democracy is to continue. I suspect that an elected head of state would be driven by ambition (even greed) which could place his or her wishes over the best interests of the country. We only have to look at recent revelations about our politicians to see that. S/he could also demand greater powers because of the popular mandate inherent in having been elected. A hereditary monarch can make no such claim.
I don't know much about the way the monarchy is funded but I have a gut feeling that too much money is spent on royals who contribute little or nothing to the country. Where that money comes from I don't know but IMO people like Prince Andrew and Prince Edward really should be earning their own money rather than receiving handouts. Apart from anything else it would set an example which I believe is one of the things we can expect of the royal family (I did say expect, even if we don't get it).

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 12:08 PM

Among many strong arguments against monarchism, it's definitely better for a nation's head of state to be examined and voted in - AND out when the process of ageing, etc., means that another can easily do better; thus, as suggested above, it's disappointing the way American Republicans and Democrats hypocritically support the Windsors.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 11:45 AM

To Keith: Both? Speak for yourself!

And what exactly has Her Maj ever done to earn my respect? She owns land that her ancestors stole from my ancestors, and, to add insult to injury, keeps me off most of it. She spends my tax money (not to speak of the Beeb wasting my licence fee on her bloody ceremonial nonsenses!) on a massive four-day jolly. Like all unelected monarchs and dictators the world over, she is rich beyond our wildest dreams by dint of the impoverishment of other people, either by landlordism or via her crooked ancestry. There's no other way of getting to be that rich.

Note that the monarchy will not foot the bill for the latest shindig. We taxpayers gave her a cool extra million towards it. The GLA spent 600 grand on stewards and big video screens. The police and military provided massive support (not to speak of all that ceremonial nonsense) which must have cost the taxpayer millions (but you try finding out how much and who pays!) Those Red Arrows used more than a gallon or two as well, I'll be bound. Then there's the extra bank holiday. Another cool billion. ATOS will have to up their game robbing the sick to make that lot up! Oh yes, it costs us dear to help the royals maintain their popularity all right. Do they deserve respect for that? They do not in my book. Do I resent the cost? Yep, every single penny!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:50 AM

To be a subject of a king or queen rather that a citizen of a democracy?
We are both!
To bow down to someone who is "clearly better/superior" to you.
No-one has to. They do it out of respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:34 AM

I don't know - of course - how many Americans might be following this current debate, but would any of them wish to have a monarchy?
To be a subject of a king or queen rather that a citizen of a democracy?
To bow down to someone who is "clearly better/superior" to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:20 AM

A million Brits stood in the rain and wind. Fifty-nine million Brits did not. Far more than that number stood in the cold to protest against the impending Iraq war in the spring of 2003, yet I remember pro-war commentators at the time making the exact same point as I just have. A million turned up to see the pope in Ireland too. Cor.

But yes, the royals are enjoying popularity at present. They always get a bit more popular when they have a wedding or jubilee shindig (boosting their popularity is the whole point of such functions, lest we forget. The pyramid of privilege must be maintained!) But it's a slightly dangerous game, projecting, even implicitly, from favourable polls that the royals are A Good Thing. 74% of Brits are in favour of the death penalty. Hmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:14 AM

"The Monarchy is not paid for by taxes."

Well, according to the ever-reliable wikipedia: "Only the Queen officially receives direct funding from the Civil List. The Queen's consort (Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh) receives £359,000 per year. The Queen, as head of state, receives £7,900,000 from the Civil List to defray some of the official expenditure of the monarchy."

Er, isn't this funded by the Treasury? It looks like Gideon is about to give the poor, cash-strapped old dears a bit more too.


Keith: The boats were excellent (as I said earlier), and funded privately. Wonderful sight. Thanks for the Mori poll figures. Just wondered how you knew. I didn't see the republican display, I was at our village street party, doing my bit. Were you involved at all?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:01 AM

the British public's support for the country remaining a monarchy is at a record high level according to Ipsos MORI's special Diamond Jubilee poll. Eight in ten (80%) British adults favour Britain remaining a monarchy compared to 13% that want to see it becoming a republic.

Support for the monarchy is highest among older generations, with almost nine in ten (88%) of those aged 55+ saying Britain should remain a monarchy. Conservative supporters are most likely to be monarchists – 96% prefer Britain to have a monarch rather than become a republic compared to three-quarters (74%) of Labour supporters and 84% of Liberal Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:58 AM

How do you know there is a large majority? Guess?

No.
Reliable opinion polls.
Also, a million people stood in the freezing rain and wind on Sunday to see a load of unremarkable boats and the Queen.
The Republican protest at Tower Bridge could only raise sixty sad sacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:52 AM

And, shamefully, 'tis the Beeb who seem to be the main cheerleaders these days. Not only do they lavishly "do" all the royal events, commentated on routinely by bunches of cheerily-inane sycophants, but they do lots of extra programmes about 'em too. Why, there was another one on only last night about "William at 30" or something which was about as buttock-clenching as you could wish for (at least, the five-minute chunk of it that I actually saw was). Speaking of the Beeb and buttocks, the former has a "royal correspondent", Nicholas Witchell, who appears to permanently reside up the Queen's latters.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:39 AM

Well, there is a very strong anti-Monarchy feeling in the country but when is that voice heard?
Well, hardly ever, is the answer!
The truth is that the public's view of the Monarchy is generally shaped by the media, and the media is constantly telling the Queen's subjects how wonderful the Monarchy is( The media, of course, love the royals because they sell newspapers!- lots of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:33 AM

"after all I'm simply a mere subject of our wonderful - filthy rich - Queen." - Tunesmith

Ah Tunesmith I take from that totally incorrect statement that you do not possess a British Passport.

If you did hold one you could open it up at the personal information page and see clearly that under the Title - Nationality - it states:

BRITISH CITIZEN

Sugarfoot Jack what potion of our taxable income gets paid to the monarchy??

The Monarchy is not paid for by taxes. You and others keep banging on about this and keep trotting out this MYTH Perhaps you could come up with some form of subtantive proof that they are "paid for" through taxes. I will not hold my breath waiting for you to provide it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:12 AM

How do you know there is a large majority? Guess? What you see on the telly? Or have you conducted a referendum?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:09 AM

Keith A ......... surely you are not suggesting that by supporting Royalty we are truly supporting democracy.

YES.
In a true democracy, the people should choose what kind of democracy they want.
If we have a large majority who favour our popular and successful constitutional monarchy, it would be undemocratic for an arrogant liberal elite to decide that they can not have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:40 AM

"It's not up to me to educate you about what the royal family does for you"

Without being rude, are you in a position to tell the people that live in the UK, pay part their portion of taxable income to the monarchy, who read about them every day, are taught about them in school, see them on TV virtually every day, in the papers every day, are familiar with their history both ancient and modern, hear them expound their views, follow their careers, their relationships, visit their homes, live amongst 1500 years of history that includes much strife and war, and are directly linked to that history?

Somehow, I think not.

Many people in the UK might disagree about the worth of the Royal Family, have various opinions about whether they should be paid for by taxes, land ownership etc, but every opinion is as valid as the next whether you like (or understand) the debate or not. The casual viciousness that has been demonstrated by some posters on this thread is regrettable, but that says more about them than anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:15 AM

Keith A ......... surely you are not suggesting that by supporting Royalty we are truly supporting democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:13 AM

Exactly!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:56 AM

...which is they represent a system based on inherited influence and wealth.

They certainly do, but as well as representing it they spearhead it and legitimise it. They make it more possible for the House Of Lords to get stuffed with brainless toffs. They give credibility to the accelerated privilege of public school attendees and help to ensure that the cabinet, the City, the "elite" universities and the upper echelons of the armed forces will always be dominated by them. Their vast holdings of land and property implicitly justify the exploitation of the people who do the real work for the big landlords, who are the laziest, greediest, most useless and most damaging people in the country. In fact, they legitimise greed itself.The royals make all these things that much more possible and that much more difficult to oppose. They have the money, the power, the pageantry and the lackeys to put on grand shows that make them look the benign symbols that they are most assuredly not. Loving the royals is similar in many ways to believing in God: it requires a complete suspension of critical examination.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 04:58 AM

i don't think we are short of information about what the queen and her family do, they do get the occasional mention in the media (eg when asked if he was looking forward to getting home for his birthday, prince philip nodded) particularly when there is a positive side to the story. whereas the real extent of the political influence of this randomly selected family or the travel costs and 'business' details of andrew's 'job' tend to be a bit less open to discussion. while they may well work hard in what they perceive of us 'our' interests, this is not the point. which is they represent a system based on inherited influence and wealth. here, they are a family who are clearly presented as better than the rest of us, no matter how they behave we must remain loyal and entreat god to intervene on their behalf. i'd say there are many millions more people who could do with a bit of help -the royals can manage fine. if they just toned down the lavish spending a bit - and does anyone need more than one huge london home and a country retreat - did proper jobs and encouraged 'their' people to believe that everyone in the uk is equally valuable etc.....we could all have a more adult and friendly relationship with the windsors. (i am better than no-one and no-one is better than me - she could put it on our christmas cards)

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Ian Mather sans cookie
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 04:56 AM

One or two on this thread reckon if we abolished the Monarchy, the poor would be lifted from their sad state of being. Oh, and reckoning it wrong that if we voted we would keep them. Or democracy as some of us call it.

Fuck me, heard everything now.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 07:01 PM

God save the Queen... and all those that ride on her coattails. If you don't think you do, read some history. I was asked early in this thread to explain myself and I said for readers to watch the TV program about Her Beth and the Jubilee and why "it is". Do that. Read some history. It's not up to me to educate you about what the royal family does for you. Fact is, you detractors can spit and spew all you want. She will continue to do her job, even though you detractors don't even know what she does. Your loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:58 PM

It's a great pity that Cliff Richard did not perform with The Shadows, then he might have sung in tune for all the songs he performed at the Jubilee Concert.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:48 PM

'the poor will always be with us'. That's probably a true statement, But it doesn't have to be like that!
But then I really shouldn't be talking like this; after all I'm simply a mere subject of our wonderful - filthy rich - Queen.

P.S. And I'm governed by a pair of filthy rich politicians!

P.P.S. By the way, isn't there a case for claiming that "God Save the Queen" is sacrilegious?
After all, we all know what Jesus(i.e. God)thought about rich people!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:30 PM

hi boko - 'the poor will always be with us'- maybe - but things could get better if we all make the effort. are a few less than jolly idealists pointing out the obvious really the bigger problem for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:00 PM

sure-or at least maybe-but there are things that no government can ever -it seems- have a grown up discussion with people about
-
-unilateral disarmament
-inequality and privilege
-who is really running the show?
-raising taxes for things that people need-or like
-prosecuting bankers and other thieves from the 1%
-could our police and armed services be better?
-are families always hard-working?
-legalising drugs
-are engaging, single slackers what make this country great?
-michael gove???
-we don't really need a monarchy, do we?
-workers with pensions-decent folk trying hard in difficult times or scum who must pay for the crimes of the wealthy?
-people with disabilities-scroungers or victims of misfortune?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:26 PM

Getting rid of royals - and making the reasons for their departure very clear to the populace

..would make them demand to know why it was done against there will by an intellectual liberal elite who think they know what is best for them.
You are an anti-democratic fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:25 AM

Getting rid of royals - and making the reasons for their departure very clear to the populace - would be a big step towards creating a fairer - and much better - society!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:50 AM

It seems to me that the notion that getting rid of the royals would in itself somehow make a significant contribution towards making us a more equal society is an example of magical thinking. It's like imagining that getting rid of the weathercock on a building would bring it crashing to the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:39 AM

The poor are out there, we feel sorry for them, but there it is.

... and of course nothing can be done about it except wring our hands and weep crocodile tears...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 09:08 AM

The poor are out there, we feel sorry for them, but there it is. The socialists have become very boring about it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 09:02 AM

The sad thing is that if there was a referendum on the future of Monachy in the UK, the retention of the monachy side would win hands down!
Supporting the Monachy is a vote for a society of deadful immoral extremes.
A society where pensioners die of hyperthermia because of lack of money, and of a royal family with obscene amounts of wealth in land, property, jewellery, art works etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:11 AM

"Royalist or Roundhead?" Didn't we end up with something in between! The Stuarts (or at least the direct male line) believed in their divine right to rule and in the end it cost them their throne as the last Stuart monarchs (ie the daughters of James VII & II) and the later Hanovarians accepted the idea that royal power had its constitutional limits!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,p
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:57 AM

just in from a long shift at work -this conversation has taken a most unpleasant line recently. are there actually a few trolls under a bridge somewhere casting spells and curses on that horrible steve and all the other lefties. is the new king of canada going over the bridge in a cardboard coach and are the BBC failing to make an interesting and incisive documentary about the style and cut of the emperor's 60 year old clothes? get a grip you guys - this is just a conversation, life is just a ride and -of course- we need a world revolution to rid us of the rich and powerful who are killing the planet and stealing anything good from ordinary people everywhere. honestly-it's not rocket science, even for trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 07:18 PM

common guys my candidatcy will not go viral without some enthusiasm and mass support, this is your chance to jopin the nobility and get a fee(almost) monarch in the bargin.

ok as a last ditch promise as king i promise not to post on mudcat again