BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:43 PM

SS ~~ let me repeat what I said to you above:

'I am not an out-and-out royalist BTW, e.g. I think HM's sister Margaret was a snobbish spiteful obnoxious person. But I am a great believer in the principles of "Ain't broke, don't fix"; "Baby'n'bathwater"; Unintended Consequences...'

So you can stop calling me a royalist tout court, if you wouldn't mind ~~ or even if you would.

Regards

the


For general consideration ~~ Something I observed that I don't recall to have seen before ~ or have I just missed it? Prince Philip & Prince Charles wore their Royal Navy uniforms, with rank insignia at bottom of sleeves, respectively Admiral of the Fleet and Admiral. But on the shoulders they carried also their army rank insignia, Field Marshal/General. This is surely unusual: or are there precedents? A bit confusing imo...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:40 PM

...long to rain over us.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:19 PM

"Isn't God supposed to be the ultimate arbiter in all this?" No that all ended when James VII & II first fled the English throne because of the Williamite invasion and then was branded a traitor and booted of the Scottish throne by the Scottish Parliament. Since then the monarchs have accepted the idea, probably unwillingly at first, of the consitutional monarchy. Bonnie Prince Charlie and his father before him unsuccesfully tried to turn the clock back to rule by divine right.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:04 PM

...singing "Rule Brittania" - with all due respect for indigenes, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:00 PM

#bbcjubilee What about the health and safety of the Philharmonic singers - all miked-up in the wet?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:59 PM

Gawd Bless her.

No seriously...

The alternative is someone who WANTS to be the big cheese. Every Prime Minister since and including Churchill has had this someone to bounce things off each week, and considering it can get a bit lonely at the top, I am convinced her approach has helped in ways someone who campaigns to be a President could only dream of.

A bit like the Aussies who never become a Republic for that very reason, cynicism of whoever would want to replace her.

Chippy rants get a bit boring after a time, don't you think? History got her there and me here, and you down there, oik.... I don't apologise for my Dad getting pissed one night in, say, 1946, and I don't apologise for the Empire. Far easier than being a miserable sod. I only apologise for what I personally do. I don't expect any different from our institutions. She isn't the Monarch in any real sense, and we are a constitutional democracy, (although paradoxically without a constitution.) Royal assent of law is a ceremony not a fact.

You see, there are people who get drawn to tradition. Some enthusiasts of tradition get together in pubs and sing traditional songs, their sense of tradition being so strong. Folkies, I believe they are called....

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:55 PM

Someday I'm going to make her mine, oh yeah

Does that mean that McCartney's after shagging her post-gig tomorrow?? Is she a groupie then???

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:43 PM

As the Beatles put it:

Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl
But she doesn't have a lot to say
Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl
But she changes from day to day

I want to tell her that I love her a lot
But I gotta get a bellyful of wine
Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl
Someday I'm going to make her mine, oh yeah
Someday I'm going to make her mine

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:40 PM

...or mebbe he did it just to annoy you, the.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:38 PM

Good God, typical nit-picking royalist! Perhaps it was a deliberate instance of lese-majesty from a closet Beeb republican...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:18 PM

What was the Beeb doing employing a commenator so pig-ignorant as to announce the arrival of "Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II"? That really was what he said. I hope they confiscate his mic and place it elsewhere.

~M~

In case any foreigners reading this may be puzzled {all true Brits will have got the point already, apart maybe from such as Fatgob*}, the Queen is not a Royal Highness, but, above all those, is Her Majesty: now that her mother is dead, the only person in the nation at present entitled to be so-called.

*[a term of affectionate rivalry, of course, not abuse, Herr Schutzstaffel!]

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:45 AM

isn't the Fourth of July precisely a celebration of getting rid of all this flummery?" - and replacing it by an equivalent display of flummery...

It really doesn't involve a significant change in some ways. Except that people seem to take it all much more seriously than they do with the royal version.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:36 AM

...fancy a Scottish lass forgetting Cromwell, Bainbo!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bainbo
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:30 AM

Please don't take from my comment above that I'm anti- all of this. I feel, as another commentator has said, like someone who isn't a sports fan feels during the build-up to a big game. I'm aware it's happening, it just doesn't really affect me.

I've been listening to it on the radio, after all, and my other favourite comment was from a little girl at a street party in Scotland. Asked how long the Queen had been on the throne, she answered, very slowly, clearly, and confidently: "Eight. Hundred. Years."

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:23 AM

Well I would offer a celbratory plate of fish and chips but there seems to be enough chips on some shoulders its no wonder the poor wee things are grumpy carrying all that weight around all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bainbo
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:21 AM

My favourite comment has been from an American lady who spoke to BBC radio as she queued up along the side of the Thames this morning. She was understandably excited at the prospect of the pageantry, and chortled: "It's going to be just like the Fourth of July."

Now, I'm not a great one on history, but isn't the Fourth of July precisely a celebration of getting rid of all this flummery?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:15 AM

Despite the dull weather (above), though, the Themes flotilla is providing a true representation of the revolting inequality in our nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:51 AM

Anyone know why HiLo isn't in front of the telly still? Yep, I read David Mitchell too. He don't half burble on. His missus-to-be was good on Question Time I thought. Good card-player too.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:48 AM

#bbcjubilee Nice weather for republicans on the Themes; my poem on monarchism "AFTER PSALM 118:9 AND MATTHEW 4:8-10": http://www.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse/blog/454825721

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:29 AM

Well, our jubilee Sunday lunchtime gig went down a storm - and my jazz duo is booked in my local for a similar lunchtime gig on the 1st Sunday of every month. So thanks, Queenie - or should I say, thanks, circumstance...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:26 AM

Oh, please dp rant on your own..in peace..it would be such a pleasant change.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:22 AM

I rather liked what David Mitchell wrote about this in today's Observer. The Queen's jubilee should be a time of rejoicing for our spoilsports

'...making our weird cartoonish monarchy the focus for a national knees-up is so cleverly inclusive: it gives the curmudgeons a role. Peter Wilby moaned that: "At times like this, republicans risk being portrayed as killjoys and spoilsports." But he's wrong. It's the other way round: at times like this killjoys and spoilsports get to be portrayed as republicans. The Queen's existence means that a flabby "Bah humbug!" emotion is given a rational constitutional backbone and transformed into a credible opinion.'

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:11 AM

All I have to say to you, Mr Hilo, is why aren't you watching telly? Let us republicans rant miserably in peace on our own for a couple of hours just for once!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:57 AM

My Dear Mr. Shaw;

Have you any idea how boring it is to have to put up with these rants. Why not leave of whingeing for a day and allow those who enjoy such things to just have a pleasant day.
Personally, I am weary of the politics of resentment..lighten up and enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:53 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:13 AM

Excellent pics, leveller. I wonder how much coverage the Beeb will give that protest on the evening news. Huh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:09 AM

Funny you should mention God, Shimrod. I was just thinking about how these here royalists react to criticism of their beloved monarch in exactly the same way as religionists react when their God is attacked. Interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:06 AM

I have endeavoured to avoid the merely vituperative and to answer your points with reason.

Then, the, you have signally failed, as you've just called me "Steve-Fatgob" in a thread not unrelated to this!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:32 AM

Isn't God supposed to be the ultimate arbiter in all this? What are you supposed to believe about the 'Divine Right of Kings (Queens?)' if you don't believe in God?

God save the Queen! From what, exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: BrendanB
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:24 AM

I love the Jubilee, we have got two gigs because of it! Monday in a pub, which is good because the weather forecast is not great and Tuesday at a village barbecue party for which we are praying for good weather. I was in our local town yesterday which is all buntinged up and everyone was being very jolly, doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:21 AM

Wonderful jubilee protest! Nice one!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/republiccampaign/sets/72157630025677898

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:17 AM

No, OK Steve ~ didn't take it as Mickey-taking in any unacceptable way: just that people often make the connection in a facetious tone without realising there really is a connection & the initials are not purely adventitious.

I have endeavoured to avoid the merely vituperative and to answer your points with reason.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:29 AM

It's for another day, MtheGM. I didn't mean to take the Mick out of your name, by the way. Shall I call you "the" from now on, to be safe?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:27 AM

I'm sorry that Steve and others don't share this feeling, but of course they have a perfect right to express their opinions. However, need they be so vituperative and insulting, not to mention abusive when posting?

Sadly, Eliza, 'tis the wrong target. 'Tis the royalists on this thread who have reserved for themselves the monopoly over vituperation and insults, thus:

That pratt Shaw is a troll and gives socialism a bad name.
Ignore the little shite.

What don't you understand about start YER OWN FUCKIN THREAD?

Everyone who posts to this thread not in celebration of this occasion is simply showing their true colours... ignorance and ill manners. Seriously, your asses shine bright red. Too bad your intelligence is so dim in comparison... But, again, seriously, posting your shite to this thread only demonstrates you are an ass... Go march your goose step somewhere else.

The miserable sod's just exhibiting the usual malicious envy of anybody with a bit more dosh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:15 AM

... and furthermore, Steve; seriously, as you seem to have seen some point in my previous post: on the Hegelian principle that there is a sort of balancing point at which a quantative difference becomes a qualitative one, at what precise point would you undertake to defend an assertion that so much ownership of property, as distinct from your ownership of your own socks & pussycat, could be convincingly denounced as unacceptable? And why?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:57 AM

Well, at Holy Communion this morning we said the special Jubilee Prayer and sang the National Anthem, and we all glowed with pride. I'm sorry that Steve and others don't share this feeling, but of course they have a perfect right to express their opinions. However, need they be so vituperative and insulting, not to mention abusive when posting? Such enormous anger and hate seem to me indicative of a rather unbalanced personality. I can't see how us villagers waving our flags and having fun can possibly do them any harm.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:32 AM

You think you are being funny about my name, Herr Schutzstaffel: but, in fact, Louis B Mayer, despite difference in spelling the Californian branch of my family uses, was my first cousin twice removed, i.e. my paternal grandfather's first cousin. So, as Private Eye wouldn't say ~~ Yes relation.

I am not an out-and-out royalist BTW, e.g. I think HM's sister Margaret was a snobbish spiteful obnoxious person. But I am a great believer in the principles of "Ain't broke, don't fix"; "Baby'n'bathwater"; Unintended Consequences...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:30 AM

That is the wonderful thing about a free country you are free to give your opinion and everyone else is free to ignore it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: banjoman
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:25 AM

I agree with steve shaw and a lot of what he says. I made my position clear in the thread in the music section asking for songs for the jubilee.Please read

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:29 AM

Ah, royalists are such pleasant charmers! 'Twas ever thus. I shall certainly raise a glass ce soir to go with my roast chicken (not coronation), but it will be something French or Italian, nothing fermented in a monarchy for me today! Have a nice day and don't let the gale-lashed bunting strangle you!

Interesting post, Metro The Goldwyn Mayer, which I'd love to tear you to shreds on in what passes for debate round here, but why spoil a beautiful, uncritical day!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:14 AM

Glaze your arses and drink a toast to the queer old dean.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:14 AM

Who can object to the river pageant?
1000 craft. Centuries of maritime tradition.
I wish I could see it live, but I will enjoy the broadcasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:04 AM

What few people know is that the Queen is actually my agent. Once every 25 years or so I get an extra gig because of her - like today's lunchtime gig in my local.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Dead Horse
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 03:25 AM

That pratt Shaw is a troll and gives socialism a bad name.
Ignore the little shite.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 02:31 AM

What do you mean, stole them from whom? Who made that land they own? Do you really think it's right for one person to own vast tracts of land, much of which she never visits, or great works of art that we are not allowed to see, or, at best, have to pay to see? Who was that great art made for? For the world's richest woman to hold as "investments"?

Yes yes, there there, Steve!: we all know that Property Is Theft, as Marx didn't say {it was Proudhon IIRC}.

So did you "steal" YOUR house? YOUR watch? YOUR car? YOUR ties and shirts and trousers? then, eh?

Oh, grow up...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 09:51 PM

Many people will enjoy these celebrations. I hope the weather is better than predicted!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Beer
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 09:27 PM

Steve,
I don't know you nor do i know how old you are. But here is a question. have you ever served your Country? Did you know that your Queen did.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:43 PM

Incidentally:

...start YER OWN FUCKIN THREAD?

Everyone who posts to this thread not in celebration of this occasion is simply showing their true colours... ignorance and ill manners. Seriously, your asses shine bright red.

Your lack of irony is amazing!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:41 PM

Don't be so silly. No thread may be declared sacrosanct by you or anyone else. A large minority of people in this country vehemently oppose the royal parasites. You don't get to keep a thread pure just because the old bugger has managed to preserve herself well beyond her use-by date. I dare say that any thread opposing the royals would be rapidly invaded by a bunch of royal sucker-upperers.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:30 PM

What don't you understand about start YER OWN FUCKIN THREAD?

Everyone who posts to this thread not in celebration of this occasion is simply showing their true colours... ignorance and ill manners. Seriously, your asses shine bright red. Too bad your intelligence is so dim in comparison.

There have been threads in the past for your discussions. You can recall one. You can start your own if you are not able to do a simple filter search for past threads. But, again, seriously, posting your shite to this thread only demonstrates you are an ass.

You have a right to your opinion and protest but THIS is not your parade. Go march your goose step somewhere else.