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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:35 PM Yeah, Amos, Knight Ritter reported this past week that the Kurds within the Iraqi Army are ready to turn on the no-Kurd folks in their ranks, kill them, and take oil-rich Kirkuk... Yes, the civil war that many of us predicted would occur way back during the Bush mad-dash-to-war seems to be materializing... Now if we could predict this consequence it's shamefull that Bush's folks couldn't see it... But then again, back then (as now) they only hear their own small little voices and no one elses... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:12 PM THe Los Angeles Times argues in this article that civil war is already a fact of life in Iraq, but that it is distributed, high-quantity but low in the traditional scale of sizes of armies, often guerilla-driven. But, they say, civil war it is, and it has been ongoing since the fall of Saddam. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Jan 06 - 01:32 PM Use your head, Old Guy --(for once, unless of course it's too much of a strain). It puts Saddam and 11 Sept in the same sentence (and does not sever the link)--and why do you think that was done--total coincidence? Do you need chapter and verse from Goebbels to see the similarity? What about that trip to the library you and Teribus were going to make? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:39 PM To RD that does not answer questions from others, demands answers from others and then ignores others when they answer: No, the quote does not link Saddam and 9/11 in any way shape or form. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:24 PM OG-- Did the quote link Saddam and 11 Sept 2001 or not? Simple question--simple answer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:11 PM I am sick and tired of the biased media reporting and constant Bush bashing that goes on on this forum. Not all the news is bad from Iraq http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/19/wirq19.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/12/19/ixworld.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:06 PM RD: Thousands of words later you have yet to explain why it is. To me, not being a left wing nut extremist, like the majority of US citizens, the qoute means that the occurrence of 9/11 caused some who previously believed that Saddam could be contained to think that he could not be contained. Explain to me why you are not an idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:54 AM And of course, yet again none of the Bush regime's apologists have yet even attempted to explain why the quote that opened this thread is not propaganda linking Saddam and 11 Sept 2001. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:51 AM Old Guy-- Sorry you had nothing better to to with your time at 1:53 AM 1 Jan 2006 (EST) than to make absurd charges, while somehow not finding a way to contradict the facts that Kerry fought in Vietnam; Bush never found the time to do so. Hope your hangover isn't too severe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 01 Jan 06 - 01:53 AM Amos: You haven't produced any quotes and no stats to support your assertions. Go and check out your source, the Onion where they post lies and call it Satire. Then left wing ninnies get sucked in (Yeah, this is what I want to hear about the evil right wing), seize on to the data and proclaim it to be truth. http://www.theonion.com/content/faq/editorial "The Onion is a satirical weekly publication published 52 times a year on Thursdays." An example of an Amos truthful news source: "WASHINGTON, DC—The recent leak revealing Santa Claus to be "your mommy and daddy" has been linked to President Bush's senior political adviser and deputy chief of staff Karl Rove. "If this devastating leak, which severely..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 31 Dec 05 - 07:52 PM I suspect that once you have signed up to support the debble, you gotta forward all his PR. It comes with the package; it's in the very fine print. No-one ever reads it, but they gotta do it anyhow. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 31 Dec 05 - 07:35 PM Yo, Old Guy, Can you offer any evidence that the documents that Dan Rather presented were forged??? Seesm to me that wasn't the issue of the documents but that they could not be substantiated... Big difference, pal... And while we are on the subject, had the US wanted to call up Bush duruing his AWOL all I can say is good luck... Hard to call up the missing... As for Kerry, can you provide any evidence that he didn't turn the boat around and save one of his men??? No, seems that the those Swift Boater for Bush weren't there... Yeah, they might have been in Nam and prolly were but they weren't there when Kerry either turned the boat around or didn't... Or when he took his boat onto shore and killed a Viet Cong, or didn't... Do you have any criduible sources that would hold up in any court of law??? No, you don't.. What you have is a bunch of partisan Bushite Vietnam vets who did a nice hatchet job on a man who may have actually shown more valor than all of them put together??? Hey, Old Guy, I will say one thing and that is that the Bush propaganda machine has worked just like it was drawn up when it comes to you... Try independent thought... It don't hurt at all... I ain't no partisan here, pal, but you sure as heck are... What you don't see, or care to see, is that Bush and his boys are Hell-bent on bending over to corporate interests... Hitler, BTW, also courted the industrialists... No, I'm not callin' Bush Hitler but he has certainly taken some pages out of Hitler's play book... It was Hitler who remarked that the masses would believe the "Big Lie" and when it comes to the "Big Lie" there's been no one in my life time that was in the same class with Bush... Hey, he's got ice-water running in his viens when it comes to telling lies... Like I said, I ain't no partisan... Kerry, I agree wasn't too hot... Clinton outright sucked... Gore was a bore... Hillary is about as bad as her hubby... But now yer God, Bush, he's the worst of 'um all... And not only is he a liar but he is a thief... He's trying to bleed the middle class and poor to death... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 31 Dec 05 - 05:35 PM So, OG, you are then going to start being polite with me? I will return politeness--but please understand that I will return sarcasm ten-fold, and I do know how to hate. Your call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 31 Dec 05 - 03:16 PM Bush's daddy found no problem actually getting an opportunity to fight. The vast majority of the Bush's fellow piloting students went to Vietnam and fought. These are facts. Bush was actually teased about the fact at the time that he was not going to Vietnam. Kerry fought. Bush did not. These are facts. Let's see some facts to deny them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:19 PM But he did conduct such a campaign. Over and over again he and his "talking point" marionettes asserted or implied that Saddam Hussein was "the same as" the sources of terrorism, and the effect of that campaign was that over 50% of our brilliant citizens believed that Saddam was behind 9-11. Do you REALLY need one of your minders to go drag out the quotes that have been posted lo, these many times? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:48 AM If you read my 11:00 post you will see I amswerd RD and bobert so what are you babbling about. Plese take a moment and present some facts to support your opinions. Sarcasm, namecalling and personal quips prove nothing ecxept to fill up space where facts are absent. Let's get back to the Rasmussen polls. Do you still believe a leftist website "vote" is the equivalent nationwide poll? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:14 AM "The answer is more than one but you will find fault with that answer regardless, that is your mission, to find fault." Absolutely. Just as it is your mission to troll. Notice you answer no questions from others? Notice that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:10 AM Peace: "If you believe YOUR facts so much, why do you post as GUEST?" I thought I was responding to you and still you make maokery of it. That is the limits of your abilities. The answer is more than one but you will find fault with that answer regardless, that is your mission, to find fault. The point was that your son, Bobert, refused to acknowledge that the uranium was found in Iraq. All he can do is think up more Bobertisims, funny stuff, sarcasm and distorting other people's names. Who is he convincing? Bush's number keep going up no matter how hard he tries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:29 PM "Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy - PM Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:26 PM I forgot to type Old Guy in that 11:00PM Post" Gee, who would have guessed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM You are right, GUEST. So while we're on the subject, perhaps you could answer this: '"The useless "Wes Ginny Slide Rule" couldn't calquelate how many Thermonuclear devices (bombs) could be made from the 1.77 metric tons of partially enriched uranium found in Iraq."' Let us know when you figure it out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:26 PM I forgot to type Old Guy in that 11:00PM Post |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:19 PM Peace, stop talking like a jerk. You are smarter than that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: dianavan Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:19 PM Dear Guest - Lets hope that whoever logs into the link you provided does not accept the cookies from that site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:04 PM If you believe YOUR facts so much, why do you post as GUEST? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:00 PM RD "many in the world" How many? How many did not? You claim there are many and ask me to explain why. There were not many. There were many more that did not think Saddam could be contained. Yes Kerry went to Vietnam with a camera and a JFK complex. There he claimed purple hearts dishonestly so he could get the hell back home, out of harms way and try to use them to build his career. A cheap trick. Did he ever release all of his military records? Bush was a fighter pilot and his unit could have been called up to go to Vietnam but it did not. His daddy didn't pull any strings and the Democrats popaganda campaingn to prove he was a deserter fell on it's ass when it was revealed that the document was forged. Should he have retrained to land a S-3B Viking on an aircraft carrier to satisfy a few crybabies or is he too busy? I will answer this one again: Bush did not conduct a propaganda campaign linking Saddam with 9/11. You can repaet your charge a million times iof you want. You have to prove he did rather than me having to prove he did not. You can call me racist if you want. What do I care? I am allowed to think what ever I want of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. It is your idea to make a connection between anti war and race in order to find shelter for your ass backward opinions created by you personal dislike for George Bush. Is it because he is white? Are you a racist? Bobert: What do you know about my genes? Are you one of those WV inbreds and therefore suspicious of others? Why do you continue to persue your personal assault against Bush? The useless "Wes Ginny Slide Rule" couldn't calquelate how many Thermonuclear devices (bombs) could be made from the 1.77 metric tons of partially enriched uranium found in Iraq. Your current Modus Operandi (MO) consists of thinking up funny names for those that have opposing opinions in order to discredit them. Facts work better than sarcasm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:38 PM And guess what, folks??? Give up??? Now it looks as if the Justice Departement is going to harass a bunch of other news folks and whistle blowers in trying to find out who informed the media thjat Busdh was involved in illegal spying on American citizens... Like what does this say??? Don't turn us in and if you do then whomever you turned us into is gonna pay... This is reverse propaganda where it isn't what is being said but how you go about the dealing with the folks who won't tell yer lies... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:33 PM Ok Teribus-- Welcome back. And now we resume our originally scheduled program. WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER AS TO WHY THE BUSH QUOTE I HAVE CITED IS NOT PROPAGANDA? Somehow you have neglected, yet again, to answer that question? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:26 PM MR. ESKEW : Yes. Q Yeah, my name is Eva Schweitzer. I work for a German daily called Die Berliner Zeitung. My question is about one year from now, an office made headlines in Germany, and I think all over the world, but isn't that the office of disinformation? I actually forgot the real name. And it was supposed to put out stories which might be right or not in favor of the American government. So, it is not completely clear if this office is still existing or not. And my question is, is the Office of Global Communications this very same office in another name and another leadership? Thanks. MR. ESKEW: Thank you, Ms. Schweitzer for that question, and I appreciate the opportunity to address it, very directly. I'll point out that here in Washington we have copies of the executive order, and they're also available on the White House website, in which the president notes that our office assists in the development of communications programs that disseminate truthful, accurate and effective messages about the American people and their government. Let me be very blunt. We're in the business of working with you to provide the facts, provide stories that are accurate and reflect something true about the intent of our government and our people. The office in question was not created -- that story was based on speculation, and the White House spoke quickly after the publication of that story to indicate that the president's desire was to have a new office, our office, to coordinate these truthful and accurate messages. We -- we're going to deal with overt information. We're going to deal with reporters. We're going to deal with our embassies, and the interaction they carry out with reporters and other public groups around the world in a way that is true to the president's executive order. We'll abide by that very carefully. Thank you. That is from here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:17 PM Any of you Yanks ever hear of the Office of Global Communications (OGC)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:15 PM No, not so, T-TheImiginator.... Propaganda has been very much part of what the Bush adminisration has been about... It started during the 2000 election when he fly in thousands and thousands of paid goons to harass poll workers who were just terying to do their jobs and it has been a stalworth ever since... It doesn't matter what the issue... Takwe the Social Security Reform isssue where Bush went around the country attending these so-called town meetings... Problem is that 100% of the folks in attendence had been handpicked by local Repub operatives and had been screened to be sure they were very much Bush supporters... So they hold tghe so-called town meeting and it makes the local news.... Can anyone with an I.Q. on the plus side of zero say that this wasn't propaganda???? Teribus??? Old Fart??? A-Follower??? Hey. lets get real here... If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a friggin' duck... This administartion is so steeped in propaganda that ity os no wonder that a few folks here would hold the views they hold... T-Employee perhaps has an excuse since he is being paid by the Bushites to defend his client... But, A and Old-Guy???? Like why would they continue to defend Bush??? If they are also paid then all I can say is that Bush is scrapin' the bottom of the gene pool barrell... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:59 PM Well, Washington's trying to convince someone the war's a good thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Teribus Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:54 PM Ron is very good at quotings bits of things, mainly because by doing so it helps his agruement. Here is a fuller quotation to the one with which he opened this thread: It is taken from the President's 2003 State of the Union Address "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. IMAGINE (referring to something that may happen in the future) those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, THIS TIME (referring to something that may happen in the future) armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes. Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option." Now back that up with what the President said in his 2002 State of the Union Address regarding the two stage plan in his war against terror: First - We will strike against the terrorist organisations Second - We will strike against the regimes that could support those terrorist organisations. The "Propanda Campaign" that Ron talks about does not and never has existed outside of his own imagination - it really has been "The Propaganda Campaign that Never Was". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: dianavan Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:01 AM Thats right, Peace. Its about time. If the dems don't get him, the A.C.L.U. will. Makes you wonder what might be next. Lets hope its not Cheney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:29 PM I have been reading Conyer's House Resolution 635. I will continue on to 636 and 637. I am beginning to think that the Bush administration (and Bush himself) is in deep, deep doo-doo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:26 PM Ron, Hmmmmmm? Good detective work there... I didn't even see that O-G had very much played the race card, amybe without even knowing it??? Like, yeah, now that it has been brought to my attention, O-G, what's this thing with you thinking that only me and black folks are against the Iraq war??? Like 60 some percent of the Amercian people now think that invading Iraq was plain dumb yet I represent about 1/300,000,000th of them and, ven if all black folk opposed the war that would make (with me) about maybe 15% of the population... Hmmmmm???? 60-some percent minus 15%.... Think maybe you do have some explaining to do... No, the Wes Ginny Slide Rule ain't gonna help you outta this mess, O-Guy... Better start bailin', brother, 'cause yer little racist boat is fillin' up fast!!! Bail, bail, bail... Danged, Ron.... The boy went on down... Yeah, he was abiling as fast as an old guy can but the hole was roo big... Sniff... I'm sure gonna miss that old fart... Sniff... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:05 PM OK "Old Guy"- 1) Sounds like you'll have to join Teribus at your local library to learn about propaganda. Again: Exactly why is "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed Saddam Hussein could be contained." not propaganda linking Saddam and 11 Sept 2001? I'm still waiting patiently for your answer, hoping (vainly?) that you have the brainpower to formulate one--that actually answers the question. 2) Jesse Jackson is an opponent of the Iraq war. I'm fine being with him. It's fascinating that your entire list is black. You wouldn't have a little racist tinge, now would you? If so, you're cordially invited to leave Mudcat. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 3) Interesting that Bush never quite found the time to use those wonderful piloting skills you're convinced he has--use them in Vietnam--though the vast majority of his fellow piloting students did. But he did find time for the important national security mission of helping his chosen candidates. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y? 4) Did Kerry fight in Vietnam? Yes or no? Did Bush fight in Vietnam? Yes or no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 29 Dec 05 - 12:39 AM In the photo op, he didn't land the plane. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Bobert Still in North Carolina Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:44 PM Nah, Old Guy, maybe you weren't around durin' the carrier landing challenge but I challednged Bush to a jet verses Cesna challenge.... Now he supposed to be the pilot and I ain't got no pilot's license but, hey, who cares.... The challenge is still on the table... I land a Cesna and he lands whatver makes him happy.... He bails and he calls off the Iraq war.... (Wish I'd chosen a tail drtagger but, hey....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:33 PM "Yes Peace, you don't sound so sure of it but there is a moon." Did you check that with Bush? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:31 PM You sure switch from nobody should have to die to shootin' someone in the leg to prove a point. Did you ever fly an F-102 fighter jet? If not I would not impune the flying skill of one who has. Now you could say Bush can't do any folk music and that would make him feel real bad. Yes Peace, you don't sound so sure of it but there is a moon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:15 PM Right. There is also no moon. We're imagining that, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Bobert Still in North Carolina Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:15 PM Hey, Bush don't botgher me one bit... I've allready challenged him to a fist fight... I've challenged him to a carrier landing contest so what more can I do??? Yeah, heck, if he waznts to shoot it out with me then I'm sjufre we can accomodate him... I rreally ain't into shootin nobody but I'm sure I can at least take out one of his legs if it it means him admitting that he went into Irag on false premises and agrees to pull the heck ougt and let the enevitable civil war that Bush has created begin..... Ol' Bobert ain't no whimp... Fir real.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:14 PM And you are in the ranks of Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, and Jesse Jackson. I would rather be in T's ranks. There was no propaganda campaing. You are imagining it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:58 PM Old Guy-- You are joining your fellow intellectual giant, Teribus, then, in denying that the Bush regime carried out a--quite successful-- successful propaganda campaign between mid-2002 and March 2003 to persuade the US public to support an attack on Iraq? Yes or no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:53 PM How's about a few facts from you, hotshot? Because so far you haven't given a damned one. Makes you nothing more or less than a troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,A Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:43 PM All the attempts at discrediting GWB is so pathetic. Again, facts, not feelings. Otherwise, just go on your own minor tangents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:00 PM Ron: You and Peace are like a French firing squad. You proclaim something with out the quotes to back it up. You think if you repeat it enough it will be true. It is not up to otheres to convince you that you are wrong. It is up to you to convince others that you are right, which you have failed to do. George Bush never fooled me because I can hear things correctly and understand them. Boobert: Why don't you challenge him to a duel or are are you a whimp? Where is Anus? Got to have his anarchist proclamations on this thread too to make it official 100% retarded drivel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 28 Dec 05 - 09:30 PM Well, both Goebbels and the Bush administration have proven themselves dab hands at the art. The mid-2002 to March 2003 propaganda campaign was a smash success, as was of course the campaign of the Swift Boat Veterans for Character Assassination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: robomatic Date: 28 Dec 05 - 08:24 PM Propaganda apparently originated with the R C Church as a shorthand for "Propagation of the Faith." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 27 Dec 05 - 09:46 PM 'the Bush regime did carry out a propaganda campaign between mid 2002 and March 2003' That's the word I was looking for: propaganda. Until now I've been calling it bullshit. |
