BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

Well, his grand=daddy did business wid 'um and the Republican Party welcomed them to America afetr WW II with open arms...

Google Hertigae Council for details...

I'm not as patient as Arne and won't do the heavy lifting for ye...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 05:16 PM

MSM has never admitted or been convicted of sucking got balls. However it has never been disproven. MSM has been desensitized to bad smells such asbullshit as Dan Rather can confirm.

Therefore it is entirely possible that MSM could suck goat balls and not be aware of the smell.

It is highly likely that MSM is confusing goat balls with lollypops.

Now what "same stuff" am I engaging in? I have not accused Soros of being anti-semetic or sterotypical of anything. That is your charge.

His did change his name from György Schwartz to George Soros for some reason.

I am saying that Liberals think they have a license to use vicious tactics because they think they are being attacked by the right. In doing so they discredit themselves.

Words like frog marching are associated with the Nazis and then thay accuse GWB of being a Nazi. They take childish delight in altering their enemy's faces to make them look like monkeys for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,Parker, Bowler, and Fitch
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM

"We all know MSM sucks goat balls."

Actually, scientific research has discredited this out-of-date theory some time ago. More than 15,000 reputed cases of goat ball sucking have been revealed as having all been totally imaginary. In the past 5 years of extensive investigation of what has become a major ubran myth, "Not one single credible case of anyone sucking a goat's balls has emerged," according to Robert Watts, head of the research team at UCLA, "and there are reasons for this. Clear and obvious reasons. Number one: only male goats have balls. Number two: male goats, known commonly as 'billy goats', stink horribly. No one would want to get that close to one. Number three: they are very aggressive, and do not allow anyone to simply walk up to them and suck their balls. Number four: No sane human being is stupid enough to even attempt to suck a billy goat's balls. Number five: No insane human, assuming there is anyone quite that insane, could possibly succeed in persuading a billy goat to allow him to suck its balls. End of story."

Please retract your statement that MSM sucks goats balls immediately or we will take legal action.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 03:43 PM

Guest:

You forgot to add the "critics" that were accusing Soros of anti-Semitism. ;-)

Here's some vile stuff from one of your favourite sources. Nice little rant accusing a Jew of being anti-Semitic, all the while sliming him with the standard stereotypes that the less subtle far right slings at Jews....

Hmmmmm, you seem to be engaging in the same stuff yourself, too. Fancy that.

So do you also think that Soros was "anti-Semitic" because his father changed their name, and because he supposedly (at the august and wise-beyond-his-years age of 14 years old, no less) "hid" his Jewishness and became "Aryan" in Nazi-occupied Europe? Is he some kind of "traitor to his people" in having survived Nazi Europe?

This RW slime is what passes for "fact" to the likes of you. So you'll pardon me if I don't bother reading this shite on a regular basis, much less cite it as some kind of Truth Down From The Mount.

And with that, I'm going to leave your attacks on Soros to stand for themselves as what they are. Now, let's get back to the subject here, which is Dubya and his horrific incompetence and his craven dishonesty, OK?

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:22 PM

I can put up with your Gestapo tactics.

Liberals think that if they are nasty enough people won't challenge them for fear of being attacked.

Hey man, laugh at facts and spew all the rhetoric you want. You have a reputation to keep up.

$oros is an asshole. The moneybags behind moveon.org amongst others.

"Soros unashamedly admits to making money by exploiting market anomalies, even if this meant impoverishing nations. Soros then does an about turn and espouses the need for social values, in order to curb greed, and bring sanity to the markets."
M.G.Pawley - South Africa

"He [Soros] is portrayed as someone who can be offended if a leader of a country where he is involved philanthropically is insufficiently subservient; who will consort with an autocratic regime in order to see his programs carried out; and who is intent on imposing his influence generally on an ever-expanding area of the world." (Connie Bruck, The World According to Soros, The New Yorker, 23Jan95, p. 57)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 01:56 PM

Guest:

Why are Liberals so nasty, sarcastic and hostile?

ROFLMAO. From a person who touts (and cites) the work of some of the scummiest crew around, from Chris Ruddy, who has accused Bill Clinton for multiple murders, to the Freepers with their "Hitlery" and "KKKlinton" stuff.....

All I have to do is mention Soros and they go into hyperdrive attack mode.

In case you didn't notice, I didn't spend much time on Soros other that to say I believe he's a man of principles and doing a valuable public service.

They assume the position of being better and smarter and licensed to be assholes.

Nah. Just trying to refute some of the RW "talking points" you've been fed by the Mighty Wurlitzer of the Republican party, which is still busily trying to defend what is going to go down in the annals of history as perhaps the worst maladministration ever....

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." -- Commander Codpice, trying to brazen it out once more but as usual completely clueless.

"Bring it on." -- a remark just as stoopid, but one which arguably has had the sad effect of encouraging the killing of many fine young American soldiers.

That's barely skimming the surface of his astounding and horrifying incompetence.

* * * *

Look, "Guest", if you're feeling uncomfortable, no one is making you stay here. Feel free to bow out at any time; you might find things a bit more "genteel" over at Freeper.com....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 01:08 PM

Why are Liberals so nasty, sarcastic and hostile?

All I have to do is mention Soros and they go into hyperdrive attack mode.

They assume the position of being better and smarter and licensed to be assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 06:02 PM

Guest:

Blue clickies are your friend. I'd rather hear your thoughts here, rather than have you simply parrot stuff from FreeperLand. Shows you're thinking about what you said, you know.....

We all know MSM sucks goat balls.

There's a "lot of stuff 'we' know that just ain't so." But the MSM gets the vast majority of the facts right. There's cases where they're perhaps a bit too willing to spout the latest RNC "talking points" unrebutted, or perhaps they've gotten just too lazy. But FWIW, Deborah Howell did finally 'admit' that her facts were wrong about Abramoff giving to Democrats ('facts' that were curiously identical to what the Republicans have been pushing through the Mighty Wurlitzer like it's the only song they know for weeks now) ... and it did take a bunch of screaming by liberals to get her to do even that.... As for the commentatirs and columnists, there's where you start to get a bit farther afield from the facts ... and generally to the benefit of the 'story' the RNC is trying to push. But, if you read enough actual articles, you can get a pretty good idea of what's going on.

Perhaps you have your favourite stories of MSM incompetence. If so, out with 'em and we'll look to see if your charges have any truth to them.... I'll be waiting here.

DeLay's most vocal accusers include a cluster of self-styled "ethics watchdog" groups, among which Common Cause, Democracy 21, Public Citizen, Public Campaign and The Campaign Legal Center have special prominence.(9)

You sure picked a noteworthy horse to hitch your cart to there. DeLay's "most vocal accusers" would surely include Texas DA Earle, the grand jury that indicted him, the House Ethics committee that cited him for multiple ethics violations, and last but not least, the people of his supposedly rock-ribbed bastion of Republicanism, Sugarland, who would favour "any Democrat" over DeLay 49% to 36%. In fact, it's a pretty rocky road for that paragon of Republican values, who's such a good buddy with Jack Abramoff, and an exemplar of Republican family values, so much so that he offered lobbyist the chance to pour champagne all over his daughter in a hot tub. Yesindeedy, you got a good one there. I wouldn't fault you for following behind DeLay and sniffing his posterior, all the way through the gates of Leavenworth.....

All of the above-named groups have received large contributions from Soros' Open Society Institute. Common Cause has received $650,000; Democracy 21, $300,000; Public Citizen, $275,000; and Public Campaign, $1.3 million.(10) The Campaign Legal Center acknowledges on its Web site that it too has received "generous financial support" from the Open Society Institute as well as from other leftwing foundations.

Imagine that. Some one has the balls to say "Enough's enough" with all this Republican cronyism, corruption, and graft, and has the measn to try and do something about it.

In March of this year, the activist group Campaign for America's Future (CAF) joined forces with the Public Campaign Action Fund to launch a $75,000 TV ad campaign in targeted Congressional districts, portraying Tom DeLay as corrupt.

Easy work, I'd say. But you may be right; DeLay's goose may be burnt to a crisp already, and it might be smart to reallocate the money to some of the many other corrupt Republicans. Thanks for the tip.

Both partners in the anti-DeLay ad campaign have received heavy funding from Soros. CAF � a subsidiary of the Institute for America's Future (IAF) � has received more than $300,000 from Soros' Open Society Institute. The other partner, the Public Campaign Action Fund, is an affiliate of the afore-mentioned Public Campaign, which has received $1.3 million from Soros.(11)

The propaganda din from Soros-sponsored "watchdog" groups helps feed the ever-hungry media with anti-Delay stories.

Ummm, the person responsible for all the Delay "stories" is DeLay.

The Soros Book Machine

The Soros Noise Machine also struck through an investigative book called The Hammer: God, Money and the Rise of the Republican Congress, written by two Texas journalists named Lou Dubose and Jan Reid.

And good journalists too. Unlike the crap that Regnery Press puts out.

Co-author Dubose appears as a commentator in the still-unfinished documentary film The Big Buy, in which leftwing filmmakers Mark Birnbaum and Jim Schermbeck chronicle Ronnie Earle's pursuit of Tom DeLay.(12)

Did you have a point? Oh, IC. You're disappointed that there's no conservatives or Republicans who have come forth to denounce DeLay and his sleaze. Imagine that. But then again, they don't call him "The Hammer" for nothing, and if he can't buy your support (like he did with that one Republican congressman who was balking but finally "saw the light"), he'll put you on the s***-list and you'll never see the inside of a committee room again (or any pork for your district, or they'll run someone against you next primary and dump tons of funding on them). Unfortunately for DeLay, he may have to adjust his 'bribery' tactics in the future towards keeping his fat a$$ from belonging to some really nasty con.....

OBTW, what did FreeperVille have to say about the "Dukester" ... before he pleaded guilty, that is?

Dubose's and Reid's book The Hammer was published in October 2004 by Public Affairs Books of New York, an imprint of The Perseus Books Group, which in turn is owned by Perseus LLC, a merchant bank and fund management company, with offices in New York and Washington, DC.

The chairman and CEO of Perseus LLC, Frank H. Pearl, also happens to be the founder and chairman of Perseus Books. More to the point, Mr. Pearl and Mr. Soros are business partners, whose collaborations include such ventures as Perseus-Soros Management LLC, Perseus-Soros Partners LLC and Perseus-Soros Biopharmaceutical Fund.

Given the close partnership between these two men, we should hardly be surprised to learn that Mr. Pearl's Public Affairs book imprint � the same imprint which published the anti-DeLay title The Hammer � also happens to have published many books by George Soros, including The Crisis of Global Capitalism, Underwriting Democracy, George Soros on Globalization, The Bubble of American Supremacy and the forthcoming George Soros on Freedom.

Did you have a point?

Transparency

The money trail strongly suggests that George Soros is implicated in the plot to frame Tom DeLay.

Gonna say it's a frame job when they frog-march him off? Say, did you hear that it was Abramoff who was reportedly shopping pictures around of Abramoff and Dubya? You Republicans just don't know how to pick your friends, eh? But I imagine that story must, considering that Abramoff has copped a plea, be making DeLay's sphincter pucker like a old two-bit whore's desperate lips....

NOTES

1. Marc Morano, "Soros Conviction for Insider Trading Upheld in French Court," Cybercast News Service (CNSnews.com), March 24, 2005

Oh, yeah. "Cybercast News Service". Another in the line of "Jeff Gannon/Guckert" faux "news outlets" pretending to be something other than cheap shills for the Republicans.

2. Lou Dubose, "Senatorial Courtesy: Will John McCain Let Republican Perps Walk?", The Texas Observer, August 26, 2005

3. Sharon Kehnemul Liss, "DeLay Blasts `Leftwing Syndicate'", FoxNews.com, April 20, 2005; Richard Poe, "The Soros Noise Machine," MoonbatCentral.com, March 20, 2005

ROFLMAO. Faux Snooze. Right. The ones that put on the liar Hannity, and Mr. "Loofah"/"I won a Peabody"/"Shut up, shut up, shut UP!" O'Reilly. The name for the other site speaks for itself.

4. Andrew C. McCarthy, "Ronnie Earle Should Not be a Prosecutor", National Review Online, October 6, 2005; Byron York, "Dollars for Dismissals," National Review Online, June 20, 2005; Peter Flaherty, "Texas Smear Machine Targets DeLay", Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com), September 23, 2004

The National Review Online. Opinion columns there. Say, when I said references, I didn't mean circular ones. At some point, the references should point to something other than opinion pieces; you know, like a real, straight-up, news article?

5. "Hammer Time: Ronnie Earle Finally Gets His Man," The Wall Street Journal Online (OpinionJournal.com), September 29, 2005

The WSJ is interesting. The actual news there is pretty straight-forward, and on the up-and-up. The editorial pages is filled with the fulminations of RW hacks. I will give them credit; they do keep the two separated. But don't make the mistake of using the WSJ's news credibility to prop up its editorial staff.

6. S.C. Gwynne,"The Daughter Also Rises",Texas Monthly, August 2004, p 112; David Horowitz and Richard Poe, "The Shadow Party" (Parts I-III), FrontPageMagazine.com, October 6, 7, 11, 2004

7. Cliff Kincaid, "George Soros and the Press", Accuracy in Media (AIM.org), April 13, 2005; Ed Morrisey, "Inside McCain's Reform Institute", Captain's Quarters, March 9, 2005; Richard Poe, "John McCain Gets Soros Cash," MoonbatCentral.com, March 10, 2005

"Captain's Quarters", eh? Cap'n Ed claimed he was for robust discussion, but when I got under the skin of his sycophantic hangers-on over there, he banned me. Since then it's tunred into pretty much a circle-jerk of the latest in Republican talking points. As Ed's "fame" has grown, he's sold his soul to Satan. As long as he spouts the party line, they invite him to all kinds of ERW thingies, like their "Justice Sunday" screechfest with all the Dominionists singing Hallelujah at the thought of a Republican/Jesus alliance to herald the new millenium....

8. Richard Poe, "Pewgate: Battle of the Blogosphere," FrontPageMagazine.com, March 25, 2005

Another RW screech machine.

9. Alexander Bolton, "Watchdogs in Soros's Pocket: GOP," The Hill (CNSnews.com), March 23, 2005; Michelle Malkin, "Wobbly Watchdogs," michellemalkin.com, June 22, 2004

Oh. Ms. Malkin. The "Kerry shot himself on purpose" wingnut. She's never apologised for that hackery. After all, it's her duty to sling mud for the party, why apologise?

10. "The Soros Agenda: Free Speech for Billionaires Only," The Wall Street Journal Online (OpinionJournal.com), January 3, 2004

11. Anne E. Kornblut, "DeLay's Critics are Numerous, So He Sees a Conspiracy," San Francisco Chronicle, October 2, 2005

Ahhh, yes. A voice of sanity here. Reporting the news. Everyone (or at least most rational people) thinks that Delay's a crook and a slimeball, so, according to DeLay, they're crazy and he's the Virgin Mary.

12. Byron York, "Coming Soon, the Ronnie Earle Movie," National Review Online, September 29, 2005; Byron York, "The Movie: Ronnie Earle on a Mission from God," National Review Online, September 30, 2005

Strange that all your news seems to come only from certified Republican-Approved(TM) sources. No wonder you don't seem to know what's going on.

http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-news/1519089/posts

Yep, a Freeper reader (if not participant). You know, over there, they censor anyone who pokes holes in their "arguments". Here, unfortunately for you, you'll have to face some opposition ... and a dose of reality. Hey, I'll give you a chance: You can dump DeLay right now, and I won't hold it against you when he goes up the river. OK? Same deal for Bob Ney, Bill Frist, Ken Blackwell, Tom Noe, Richard Pombo, Conrad Burns, etc....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:19 PM

We all know MSM sucks goat balls.

DeLay's most vocal accusers include a cluster of self-styled "ethics watchdog" groups, among which Common Cause, Democracy 21, Public Citizen, Public Campaign and The Campaign Legal Center have special prominence.(9)

All of the above-named groups have received large contributions from Soros' Open Society Institute. Common Cause has received $650,000; Democracy 21, $300,000; Public Citizen, $275,000; and Public Campaign, $1.3 million.(10) The Campaign Legal Center acknowledges on its Web site that it too has received "generous financial support" from the Open Society Institute as well as from other leftwing foundations.

In March of this year, the activist group Campaign for America's Future (CAF) joined forces with the Public Campaign Action Fund to launch a $75,000 TV ad campaign in targeted Congressional districts, portraying Tom DeLay as corrupt.

Both partners in the anti-DeLay ad campaign have received heavy funding from Soros. CAF — a subsidiary of the Institute for America's Future (IAF) — has received more than $300,000 from Soros' Open Society Institute. The other partner, the Public Campaign Action Fund, is an affiliate of the afore-mentioned Public Campaign, which has received $1.3 million from Soros.(11)

The propaganda din from Soros-sponsored "watchdog" groups helps feed the ever-hungry media with anti-Delay stories.

The Soros Book Machine

The Soros Noise Machine also struck through an investigative book called The Hammer: God, Money and the Rise of the Republican Congress, written by two Texas journalists named Lou Dubose and Jan Reid.

Co-author Dubose appears as a commentator in the still-unfinished documentary film The Big Buy, in which leftwing filmmakers Mark Birnbaum and Jim Schermbeck chronicle Ronnie Earle's pursuit of Tom DeLay.(12)

Dubose's and Reid's book The Hammer was published in October 2004 by Public Affairs Books of New York, an imprint of The Perseus Books Group, which in turn is owned by Perseus LLC, a merchant bank and fund management company, with offices in New York and Washington, DC.

The chairman and CEO of Perseus LLC, Frank H. Pearl, also happens to be the founder and chairman of Perseus Books. More to the point, Mr. Pearl and Mr. Soros are business partners, whose collaborations include such ventures as Perseus-Soros Management LLC, Perseus-Soros Partners LLC and Perseus-Soros Biopharmaceutical Fund.

Given the close partnership between these two men, we should hardly be surprised to learn that Mr. Pearl's Public Affairs book imprint — the same imprint which published the anti-DeLay title The Hammer — also happens to have published many books by George Soros, including The Crisis of Global Capitalism, Underwriting Democracy, George Soros on Globalization, The Bubble of American Supremacy and the forthcoming George Soros on Freedom.

Transparency

The money trail strongly suggests that George Soros is implicated in the plot to frame Tom DeLay.

NOTES

1. Marc Morano, "Soros Conviction for Insider Trading Upheld in French Court," Cybercast News Service (CNSnews.com), March 24, 2005

2. Lou Dubose, "Senatorial Courtesy: Will John McCain Let Republican Perps Walk?", The Texas Observer, August 26, 2005

3. Sharon Kehnemul Liss, "DeLay Blasts `Leftwing Syndicate'", FoxNews.com, April 20, 2005; Richard Poe, "The Soros Noise Machine," MoonbatCentral.com, March 20, 2005

4. Andrew C. McCarthy, "Ronnie Earle Should Not be a Prosecutor", National Review Online, October 6, 2005; Byron York, "Dollars for Dismissals," National Review Online, June 20, 2005; Peter Flaherty, "Texas Smear Machine Targets DeLay", Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com), September 23, 2004

5. "Hammer Time: Ronnie Earle Finally Gets His Man," The Wall Street Journal Online (OpinionJournal.com), September 29, 2005

6. S.C. Gwynne,"The Daughter Also Rises",Texas Monthly, August 2004, p 112; David Horowitz and Richard Poe, "The Shadow Party" (Parts I-III), FrontPageMagazine.com, October 6, 7, 11, 2004

7. Cliff Kincaid, "George Soros and the Press", Accuracy in Media (AIM.org), April 13, 2005; Ed Morrisey, "Inside McCain's Reform Institute", Captain's Quarters, March 9, 2005; Richard Poe, "John McCain Gets Soros Cash," MoonbatCentral.com, March 10, 2005

8. Richard Poe, "Pewgate: Battle of the Blogosphere," FrontPageMagazine.com, March 25, 2005

9. Alexander Bolton, "Watchdogs in Soros's Pocket: GOP," The Hill (CNSnews.com), March 23, 2005; Michelle Malkin, "Wobbly Watchdogs," michellemalkin.com, June 22, 2004

10. "The Soros Agenda: Free Speech for Billionaires Only," The Wall Street Journal Online (OpinionJournal.com), January 3, 2004

11. Anne E. Kornblut, "DeLay's Critics are Numerous, So He Sees a Conspiracy," San Francisco Chronicle, October 2, 2005

12. Byron York, "Coming Soon, the Ronnie Earle Movie," National Review Online, September 29, 2005; Byron York, "The Movie: Ronnie Earle on a Mission from God," National Review Online, September 30, 2005

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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:05 PM

Guest:

What are your criteria for documentation?

Varies, but generally cites to MSM newspaper articles is a reasonable one. I'd say that multiple sources helps establish validity, and I find that reading a compendium of different sources and slants amd trying to find the "LGM" or the "middle", or synthesizing a coherent picture from various accounts, is a useful thing to do. Well-sourced and/or referenced documenation is generally more believable, but maybe that's my academic background showing through....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 07:45 PM

What are your criteria for documentation?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:37 PM

Guest:

What are your criteria for documentation?

You might click through the links I gave you. Or look at the footnotes in "The Hunting Of The President".

Woody:

"The Hunting of the President" = journalistic opinion by left wing pundits, totaly devoid of facts.

Nonsense, of course. Have you even read it? Lots of references there, should you be so inclined as to actually educate yourself.

I notice you put "Chris Ruddy" and "hatchet job" in the same paragraph. But it needs some formatting.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:08 PM

LOL! How mellerdramatic!! Does he find Commies under every bed and threats to our way-of-life in every coffee house?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: .Woody
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:04 PM

"For his brave and determined pursuit of the truth in the case of the death of White House Counsel Vince Foster; for his investigative efforts in the death of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown; for his leadership and risk-taking in the founding of NewsMax Media in 1998; and for his inspired devotion to conservative principles. Chris Ruddy endures many attacks from the left (e.g.: the hatchet job during his appearance on the TV program "60-Minutes") as he fights relentlessly for the country he loves, America."
http://www.youdontsay.org/Gff-rudy.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: .Woody
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 11:54 AM

"The Hunting of the President" = journalistic opinion by left wing pundits, totaly devoid of facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:27 PM

"What are your criteria for documentation?"

The same might be asked of you, GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

What are your criteria for documentation?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM

Guest:

Now I am scared shitless. Should I get my big brother to protect me from your forthcoming vicious attack?

Hmmmmm. IC you're of the opinion that failure "to take you seriously" constitutes some kind of threat. Must be a miserable life to be so inconsequential, eh? I'm sorry for you ... well, maybe no, seeing the company you keep.

But at least we now know a bit more about Chris Ruddy, Joseph Farah, and Richard Mellon Scaife, don't we? Could have saved some bandwidth if you'd just picked up a copy of "The Hunting of the President".....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:19 PM

How dare me to ask the same question again. Now I am scared shitless. Should I get my big brother to protect me from your forthcoming vicious attack?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:05 PM

Guest:

Can Arne's hardwired mind answer the question:

Who is George Soros and whgo does he support?

Ahhhh, an attempt at the ol' tu quoque, eh? Funny how the Republican sycophants are reduced to the ol' "The Dummycrats are just as crooked as we are....." whine. Of course, that isn't true no matter how much the RNC "spin machine" (including the likes of Newsmax and WND) keeps trying to spin it. They're also busy yelling at the top of their lungs, "but CLINTON did it!!!!" (once again, untruthfully), but it does bring a smile to my lips when the Republicans hold up that cesspool of immorality and All That Is Wrong With 'Merkuh Which Needs To Be Fixed Right Now ... their hated KKKlinton ... as the new standard for what is Right And Good. It's really touching in a way in its pathetic whining and hypocrisy.

But as to who George Soros is: He's a person that cares a hell of a lot more about what this country is really about than you do. He's not sinking money into some long-range plot to slime his political opponets, he wants people to see the malignant corruption that's going on and to be able to see that there is a much better way we can run this country. Feel free to disagree, but then you'd better be ready with documentation if you want anyoen to take you seriously.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 02:33 PM

Can Arne's hardwired mind answer the question:

Who is George Soros and whgo does he support?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 02:25 PM

Guest:

Yep. Thanks. There's Chris Ruddy up there too; another foamer in the Arkansas Project slimefest. You know, the one hawking videos (sold by Jerry Falwell on his telly show) "proving" that Clinton had some 50 people murdered.

But Scaife is the moneybags; he's been using his inherited multimillions for years to push the far right conservative movement, and that's who owns the Republican party now. Newsmax isn't a profitable company; it's RW subsidized "Slime Of The Day" and has been since the get-go. Other projects were the "American Spectator" and the so-called "Accuracy In Media".

Here's more and more and more on him.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 02:24 AM

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1167574/000095014402002242/g74688a1sb-2a.txt

                                        BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF       BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF
                                              COMMON STOCK                   COMMON STOCK
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NAME                                     SHARES(2)         %             SHARES          %
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Christopher Ruddy(3)...................   1,584,047       32.6%         1,584,047       27.1%
Lord William Rees-Mogg(4)..............      30,333          *             30,333          *
James Dale Davidson(5).................      93,333         2.1%            93,333         1.7%
Admiral Thomas Moorer(6)...............      43,333          *             43,333          *
Arnaud de Borchgrave(6)................      43,333          *             43,333          *
Michael Ruff(7)........................   1,092,332       25.0%         1,092,332       20.3%
R. M. Scaife...........................    311,334         7.2%          311,334         5.8%
All Directors and Executive Officers as
a Group (eight persons)..............   3,266,380       64.0%         3,266,380       53.5%

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 01:56 AM

Hey half answer man:

Who is George Soros? Who does he support?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Troll
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 04:29 PM

Kerry volunteered.

This form the John Forbes Kerry Timeline.
Kerry is interviewed in a New York Times article titled "An Angry War Veteran," in which he admits to the reporter that he enlisted in the Swift Boats to avoid the war in Vietnam, since the boats were only used for patrol duty:

      "That first trip to Vietnam piqued his curiosity, 'I wanted to go back and see for myself what was going on, but I didn't really want to get involved in the war.' So late in 1968 he volunteered for an assignment on "swift boats" - the short, fast aluminum craft that were then used for patrol duty off the coast of Vietnam.

"Two weeks before he arrived in Vietnam as a swift boat commander, he said, 'they changed the policy on the use of the boats - decided to send them up the river to prove to the Vietcong that they didn't own the waters.'

He signed up for the Naval RESERVE (not the US Navy) after the draft deferment he applied for was denied.

I don't expect you to believe this since it is not from your usual source of information, John Kerry.com.

Rest assured that it is accurate.

If you consider John Kerry to be a man of honor, integrity and character, then I am happy not to be ranked with him in your estimation.

The snowboard incident took place inn Sun Vally, Idaho, Google John Kerry snowboard and read all about it. Also check out Dave Barrys encounter with Kerry in a local rental shop.

Ronald Reagan did not bastardize his child when he divorced his first wifr and what in the world does that have to do with John Kerry?

As for his early political aspirations, there have been numerous interviews with former classmates that address this very subject. The JFK remark was simply one among many. If you like, I'll find some for you and post them. I'll just give links. You've indicated that you don't like cut and paste.

In closing, I notice that you uaed the line, "he was in combat. He didn't rum." in a post to me.

Thank you. I posted that line on 21-Jan-2006. I was refering to Kerry.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 03:10 PM

Guest:

[Arne]: "More on WorldNetDaily and NewsMax (as well as other such "independent" organisations) here."

Sorry. Wrong link (but also good info). But try this one.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:51 PM

Guest:

As per the Washington Post:
"Newsmax doesn't have the greatest reliability, but when it reports on previous public statements it usually quotes accurately."

Wow. Ever heard the phrase "damning with faint praise"????

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:49 PM

Guest:

Questions for the expert on whores Arne:

>And NewsMax??? Bought-and-paid-for whores of the Republican party.

How much? who pays them? How?

Richard Mellon Scaife. The money behind the Arkansas Project, the hit-job on Kerry, and various other Republican "slime" campaigns. Big ERW Republican operative, but willing to do the dirty work for any of the Republican thug brigade.

More on WorldNetDaily and NewsMax (as well as other such "independent" organisations) here.

Glad you asked.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:26 PM

"Iraq Has Network of Outside Help on Arms, Experts Say", New York Times, November 20, 1998, By Barbara Crossette
"AFTER THE ATTACKS: THE OVERVIEW; U.S. Says Iraq Aided Production Of Chemical Weapons in Sudan", New York Times, August 25, 1998, by Steven Lee Myers
"Iraq Suspected of Secret Germ War Effort", New York Times, February 8, 2000, By Barbara Crossette
"Signs of Iraqi Arms Buildup Bedevil U.S. Administration", New York Times, February 1, 2000, By Steven Lee Myers
"FLIGHT TESTS SHOW IRAQ HAS RESUMED A MISSILE PROGRAM", New York Times, July 1, 2000, By Steven Lee Myers
"C.I.A. Orders Inquiry Into Charges of Chemical Arms Cover-Up", New York Times, November 2, 1996, by Philip Shenon
"Czechs Say They Warned U.S. Of Chemical Weapons in Gulf", New York Times, October 19, 1996, By Philip Shenon
"C.I.A. REPORT SAYS IT FAILED TO SHARE DATA ON IRAQ ARMS", New York Times, April 10, 1997, By Philip Shenon
"U.N. Reveals New Evidence Of Gas From 2d Iraqi Depot", New York Times, July 30, 1997, By Philip Shenon
"Expert Panel Says Pentagon Ignored Evidence of Poison Gas", New York Times, October 31, 1997, By Philip Shenon
"Clinton Says Iraq's Balking Over Weapons Will Backfire", New York Times, November 3, 1998, By Philip Shenon

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:06 PM

So much for your answer on Soros

On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros became instantly famous when he sold short more than $10bn worth of pounds, profiting from the Bank of England's stubborn reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency. Finally, the Bank of England was forced to withdraw the currency out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and to devalue the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 11:59 AM

Ron Davies - 21 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

"Most of the men Bush took instruction with in learning to be a pilot were going to Vietnam."

The above statement by Ron is a BOBERT FACT - It has absolutely no basis, like the propaganda campaign that never was this is a figment of Ron's imagination, but it can be easily debunked.

Ron has been challenged on this on a number of previous occasions when he has made this claim, with the result he has not once come up with any detail to back it up. He refers to the "teasing" that Lt. G.W. Bush got about a request relating to a scheme called "Palace Guard". Ron did those reporting this also tease Fred Buckley? The stage of training he was in at the time was at an Operational Training Unit where he and his fellow students were learning how to 'fight' their aircraft - Delta Dagger F-102A's. Now all his fellow students in this unit would be learning the ins and outs of flying and fighting this one type of aircraft, OTU's do not fly mixed types it is not an efficient use of equipment or manpower. His Training officer turned down the request of both Bush and Buckley for three reasons, the first was lack of operational experience (500hrs minimum after having been passed as operational were required), the second was that the aircraft type he was training on were being withdrawn from theatre, finally the third reason was that the "Palace Guard" scheme was being cut back.

Previously Ron has made the statement about the vast majority of pilots going to Vietnam. As I have previously pointed out to Ron from figures available from the Pentagon, at the height of the war in Vietnam, the maximum number of US Troops of all services and branches of those services was about 550,000 in 1968. The official strength of the US Armed Forces at the time was 3.5 million, so even every single person serving in Vietnam would not make any "vast majority" - True Ron?? Now let's take a look at the half million odd that were there. The "vast majority" to use Ron's terms would be infantry and logistics units, as there was no question of disputed air superiority over the area you can accomplish quite a lot with very few aircraft. In 1968, Ron, the "vast majority" of US Air Force, Army, Marine, ANG and US Navy pilots were servicing the requirements of a little thing called the "Cold War", i.e. keeping an eye on Russia.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 11:47 AM

Hassan--


Thanks so much for your scientifically proven survey of "48% of the US population".

What are you smoking?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 11:32 AM

Yassa Boss.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:45 AM

"Michael Moore"

You are correct on that guy.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,Hassan
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:40 AM

48% of the US population, including The New York Times, and Michael Moore, the Hollywood elite, Moveon, and Sorros, and all the rest of the Jihad-bait are no better than a bunch of drunks cheering a burning car.

And you'll find people like this in Iraq too. So does that mean we abandon them? Not me. I'd never give the terrorist the satisfaction of seeing the sober Americans conceding an issue to the slobbering Americans. Look at the great seal of The United States. The eagle has an olive branch in the left talon (which means we'll negotiate), but arrows in the right that means we won't be intimidated.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:25 AM

Guest--

Get a handle--or stop wasting our time and bandwidth.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:06 AM

As per the Washington Post:
"Newsmax doesn't have the greatest reliability, but when it reports on previous public statements it usually quotes accurately."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/11/23/BL2005112300460.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:02 AM

Questions for the expert on whores Arne:

>And NewsMax??? Bought-and-paid-for whores of the Republican party.

How much? who pays them? How?

Who is George Soros? Who does he support?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:29 AM

What Arne said...

And like Joe Offer has said...

If it won't fit on a screen, do a "blue clicky"

Jam etiquette, you know... (We tune because we care....)

And further more, 100% of the folks here won't read some "Tropic of Cancer" length cau 'n paste... Yer better off trying to make your points in yer own words... With link...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:13 AM

Guest:

But David Bossie has been keeping up with Kerry for a long time, and his new book ...

Oh, yeah. David Bossie. When he wasn't busy trying to dig up dirt and slime Clinton.... Just Google the name (or read "The Hunting of the President") to find out just who RNC "sleazemaster" Bossie is.....

And why dontcha quit with the cut'n'paste crap? You need to point sumptin' out, blue clickies are your friend.

And NewsMax??? Bought-and-paid-for whores of the Republican party.... Why don't you see if you can find some less obvious RNC propaganda.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:05 AM

Troll:

Please furnish a link where it shows that Kerry volunteered. That's one I've never heard.

I did. Pay attention.

But it's refreshing to have you admit that Dubya didn't volunteer. Maybe we're getting somewhere.

As far as "sliming Kerry for the GOOpers," since when is the truth sliming.

I posted three links to show you were full'o'crap in the immediately preceding slimejob you did on Kerry. And that's not counting your previous regurgitation of SBVATT shinola.

... but George Bush did not stand before a Congressional Committee and tell lies about me, my family and my friends...

Ummm, seems we're getting somewhere. But please post the quote (actual, verifiable quote) where Kerry told lies about you, your family and your friends. To be honest, I doubt that Kerry ever did such a thing because amongts other things, he probably doesn't know you from jack. But out with it. What do you allege that Kerry said. Remember, you need to provide a quote because anythign else is just not being accurate.

My take on Kerrys service is that he did it for political gain based on statements to his fellow officers that he would be "the next JFK from Massachusetts".

Which makes you a pretty dumb ass. You know that saying: When you "assume", you make an ass out of you and me (if I believe you). What ever lead you to such an uncharitable and to such an unsupported extreme conclusion from that little snippet? You know, if I used your standards for judging "character", your dishonesty here might be quite sufficient reason for me to assume you're the Devil incarnate.

[ignoring more slime, been trodden into the dust]

He saw that the anti-war movement would be politically powerful and jumped aboard.

Now you're really loopy. Since when has the anti-war movement ever been "politically powerful"? It certainly wasn't at the time.

[ignoring yet more lies; why do you do it?]

As far as his character goes, I'll cite two incidents that told me all I'll ever need to know about John Kerry.

First is the snowboarding incident in Vermont I think it was.

Well, I can see where you get your "talking poi..." -- ummm, sorry, "news". You're a walking tape machine for the Kerry Slime Project.

When you don't even know where the incident occured, hard to say that your evaluation of his character here is based on any reliable facts at all ... and certainly not from any personal knowledge. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

The other thing happened when he married his present wife. He had his previous marriage annulled. So, in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church -of which he is a member- his children by his previous marriage are now illegitimate.

Scraping the depths of the barrel here, eh? Say, I'm sure that you berated dear ol' Ronnie Raygun for his affair with Nancy and for dumping his first wife and the mother of his child, eh? Right???

I don't know how anyone else defines lack of character, but to me these two incidents pretty well do the job.

I know how I define "character", and dishonesty and malice are a big no-no in my eyes. Guess where you weigh in. So, you can imagine what I think of your "character evaluation" of Kerry....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:57 AM

"FORT CARSON, Colo., Jan 21 (Reuters) - A jury of six U.S. Army officers began deliberations on Saturday in the court-martial of an Army officer charged with murdering an Iraqi general during an interrogation, using techniques that the prosecutor described as torture."

Wonder how this will turn out.

From here.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:32 AM

Paige McKenzie, NewsMax.com Wires
    Friday, Aug. 20, 2004

"One person's terrorist is someone else's freedom fighter."

Sounds just Osama bin Laden, doesn't it?

But those are words straight from the lips of John Kerry - the candidate whose record the media establishment refuses to reveal.

But David Bossie has been keeping up with Kerry for a long time, and his new book "The Many Faces of John Kerry - Why This Masschusetts Liberal Is Wrong For America" - is perhaps the most comprehensive record yet of Kerry's post-Vietnam political life. Written about a Republican, Bossie's revelations would be like chum in shark-infested waters for bloodthirsty reporters jonesing for a scoop.

Bossie is the former chief investigator for the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform and Oversight. In an exclusive interview he told NewsMax, "Senator Kerry was on the committee when I was the investigator heading up the Whitewater case. I met him ... but he didn t show up much."

Kerry apparently viewed his responsibility to the investigating committee the same as he views his responsibility as senator - rarely showing up for work.

By now the public is well aware of Kerry's "flip-flop" image, particularly on the war in Iraq.

What most people don't know is that Kerry's reversal on Iraq is just one small waffle among a huge stack, slathered on both sides with thick, dripping hypocrisy.

Many others have changed their positions on the war in Iraq. What differentiates Kerry, however, is that he flips back and forth, sometimes within months, depending on whom he is speaking to at the moment.

"He is very much a chameleon," Bossie told NewsMax, "someone who says and uses campaign rhetoric depending on who he's talking to. If he's talking to a more liberal group, he spouts his liberal ideology very freely. But if it's a group that he just needs their votes, he tries to look like some moderate mainstream guy - and he's simply not.

"When you're ranked as the number one most liberal senator by National Journal [a nonpartisan publication], left of Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton, you're doing it."

It is difficult to be more of a leftist than than Kennedy and Clinton, noted Bossie, and even harder to hide it.

But as a leftist in moderate clothing, that's what Kerry seems to be doing   and doing it well, pulling the thick, political wool over the eyes of many of his supporters.

He couldn't do it without help. Though Bossie has recorded more than 60 flip-flops in John Kerry's political career, the public remains oblivious to many of the most atrocious.

"It's up to the Bush people [to expose Kerry]," said Bossie. "He's getting a free ride because the mainstream elite media hate President Bush and desperately want him to lose. And I believe they aren't doing their jobs correctly."

Kerry's flips are not just issues on which reasonable people change their minds in light of new information. Kerry's flips include issues such as the death penalty and abortion, which typically reflect a person's core values.

In 1996, writes Bossie, Kerry criticized Massachusetts Gov. William Weld for supporting the death penalty by saying, "You can change your mind on things, but not on life-and-death issues." But by December 2002, Kerry was saying to NBC that he "always had supported sentencing terrorists to death."

And though most people who change their minds on abortion move to the more conservative position, Kerry has moved the opposite direction.

Even as new scientific evidence proving human fetuses to be viable human beings has emerged over the years since the Roe vs. Wade decision, Kerry has moved further to the left on abortion.

He now supports abortion in all forms, at any time, including partial-birth abortion. He even opposes measures to require pregnant minors to give parental notification or consent before getting an abortion, as they would to have their ears pierced.

Yet Bossie reveals the side of Kerry that once was more opposed to the practice. "I would say also that it's a tragic day in the lives of everybody when abortion is looked on as an alternative to having a child. I think that's wrong. It should be the very last thing if it has to be anything, and I say that not just because I'm opposed to abortion but because I think that's common sense, Kerry told the Lowell Sun in 1972.

Further, Bossie describes how Kerry, right after President Bush signed a law banning partial-birth abortion, denied the very existence of the procedure. "There is no such thing as a partial birth. ... There's nothing partial about their effort to undo Roe v. Wade," Kerry proclaimed.

On issue after issue, Bossie demonstrates how Kerry always wants it both ways - and it takes nothing less than the senator's particular brand of duplicity to have it both ways. How else could a soldier of four months become a war hero after committing what he describes as "atrocities"? Or take credit for his opponent's ideas in between denouncing them?

After the Democrats' huge losses of 2000 and 2002, many a pundit was amazed to see them again pick as their nominee a candidate with not just the same stiff, elitest condescension as the notoriously wooden Al Gore, but who is clearly even more liberal and out of touch with mainstream Americans than the Dems' failed 2000 candidate. But as Bossie reveals, a brief jaunt through Kerry's early background makes it clear that those aren't the only characteristics the candidate and the former candidate share.

JFK: 'Just for Kerry'

As a baby boomer coming to age in the "Born To Be Wild" '60s, Kerry has always believed he was born to be president. As much as Al Gore believed he was born to be president, having been groomed for it most of his life by his senator father, Kerry has been focused on what he's always believed to be his destiny nearly since childhood, when he used to have conversations about foreign policy via telephone with his father from his Swiss boarding school dorm room.

Bossie has Kerry's old school chums on record:

"It was an aura he created," said Harvey Bundy, a Chicago money manager and former Kerry roommate at Yale. "We sat around the room, talking about 'what are our positions going to be in John's cabinet.' I wish I could forecast the market as well."

Another contemporary remarked: "He was obsessed by politics to the exclusion of all else. At that age (freshman year of college), it's a bit creepy."

So, how creepy is it at 13? At that age, Kerry "was mocked by some ... as a Kennedy wannabe," the Boston Globe reported. "He'd sign his papers and wear his Oxford cotton shirts embossed with his initials, "JFK" as if the political affinity were preordained. Behind his back, classmates rolled their eyes and, as one said, joked that the initials stood for 'Just for Kerry.'"

Bossie's description of Kerry's exit from Vietnam demonstrates his desperate ambition to find that first stepping stone to the presidency. Like President Bush, Kerry was honorably discharged early   but eight months early, after serving only four months of the normal one-year tour in Vietnam. (Bossie also details why Bush was not allowed to serve in Vietnam, even though he volunteered to go.)

Kerry rushed back to Massachusetts to give new meaning to the terms "carpetbagger" and "district shopping," trying on "congressional districts like suits off the rack," the Boston Globe reported. "In less than two months in early 1972, the anti-war leader called three different districts in Massachusetts home. To this day he bears the brand of opportunist from that brazen district-hopping, which he acknowledges as part of his political 'baggage.'"

Great News for Pedophiles, Murderers and Rapists

Kerry's early years as a politician in Massachusetts are anything but comforting. Bossie discloses these highlights:

# As assistant district attorney in Middlesex County (a title he somehow achieved five months after passing the bar exam), his "overhaul" saw the release of convicted pedophile Robert Sedach, who later kidnapped and sexually assaulted a young boy. Later, writes Bossie, the Dukakis-Kerry administration would issue furloughs for 287 sex offenders, 82 first-degree murderers and 184 second-degree murderers.

# As Michael Dukakis' lieutenant governor, Kerry supported the furlough program that turned Willie Horton loose on two more victims.

# Kerry presided over an increase in parole rates from 50 percent to 58 percent, during which time rapes increased from 1,464 a year to 1,627. Massachusetts became the country's car-theft capital, with twice the average of all 50 states plus the District of Columbia, reported the Christian Science Monitor in November 1984.

Perhaps most worrisome of all, Kerry has opposed preventive legislation for the threat of nuclear war since 1982, as Bossie records in Kerry's own words.

"During my 1982 campaign, I called on the state to abandon planning for nuclear evacuation, calling such evacuation plans a sham intended to deceive Americans into believing they could survive a nuclear war," he said in a Senate campaign questionnaire in 1984.

His actions held true to his words on this issue.

"As Lieutenant Governor, I have carried forward my campaign promise that the Commonwealth cease planning for evacuation and relocation during a nuclear war, and drafted an Executive Order condemning such planning," he said in the 1984 Senate questionnaire. The ultra-liberal Dukakis signed the order into law.

From marriage-penalty tax relief to the Patriot Act to veterans' benefits and on and on, Kerry votes against legislation and then makes the outrageous claims not only of having supported it, but also to have always been an outspoken champion of the issue in question. All the while he accuses his opponents of not supporting the very issues they have purposely acted to support. Or vice versa - he claims one position and then votes the other, if he bothers to show up for the vote at all. Though critics complain about Kerry's constant absenteeism in an election year, Bossie reveals that Kerry's penchant for being a no-show is nothing new - even when it comes to the very legislation Kerry himself sponsored.

Kerry on Taxes

# Has voted since 1993 for a stunning $1.7 trillion in tax increases on tobacco, gasoline, income and other items.

# Voted in 1995 for a resolution that declared a middle-class tax cut unwise.

# Voted against marriage-penalty tax relief in 1998, and then told MSNBC in 2003 that he had fought long and hard to get rid of the tax.

# Lambastes President Bush's tax relief as being too large and too beneficial to "the rich," though it is smaller than those instituted by Kerry's hero, John F. Kennedy, and even though the group of zero-tax filers grew from 29 million in 2000 to a record 44 million in 2004, a huge increase.

# Refused to pay $600 more in taxes, even though Massachusetts law allows citizens two rates to choose from when paying their taxes. Kerry wants to take more Americans' money without giving up more of his.

Kerry on Faith-based Programs

Initially, Kerry said that Bush's creation of the Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives had "the potential to be helpful. But one month later Kerry even claimed credit as the first lawmaker to offer fiath-based initiatives. "George W. may be doing it now, but I was the first person to offer faith-based programs," he told the Boston Globe.

But he changed directions 180 degrees when he began campaigning for president. Bossie writes that by November of 2003, Kerry was bad-mouthing Bush's faith-based initiatives, saying they impinged on the Constitution's division of church and state. He then further confused his stance saying that he supports faith-based initiatives "as long as they don't have a religious aspect," as he told the Associated Press in December 2003.

Kerry on Veterans' Benefits

Though Kerry has accused the Bush administration of withholding veterans' benefits and funding, Bush has increased funding and benefits for veterans and related programs. Bossie notes an Annenberg Center FactCheck report: "Funding for veterans is going up twice as fast under Bush as it did under Clinton. And the number of veterans getting health benefits is going up 25 percent under Bush's budgets. That's hardly a cut."

Meanwhile, Bossie's account of Kerry's record on the issue shows a senator who votes against veterans:

# Against an amendment that would have increased funding for veterans' medical care by $650 million in 2001.

# Against an amendment that would have reallocated $210 million for veterans' medial benefits, and $10 million for construction of veterans' extended-care facilities.

# Against an amendment offered by Sen. John McCain to require equal access to health care for all veterans in 1996 - Kerry was one of only 18 senators to vote against the measure.

Kerry's Campaign Finance Scandals

Bossie's book contains a wealth of details on Kerry's addiction to money. Money is the name of the game for this senator, however he can get it   whether by marriage, "by hook or by crook," as the old saying goes.

Even if that crook happens to be Bill Clinton's favorite Chinese donor, Johnny Chung, who "visited the Clinton White House a total of 49 times and moved on to become a central figure in that administration's foreign money scandals, eventually pleading guilty to funneling $28,000 in illegal foreign contributions to the campaigns of Bill Clinton and John Kerry."

And sometimes Chung brought a friend in need   as with Hong Kong businesswoman Liu Chao-ying, who U.S. intelligence later discovered to be a lieutenant colonel in the People's Liberation Army and a vice president of a Chinese government-owned aerospace firm.

Liu wanted her company on the New York Stock Exchange, and Bossie details how happy Kerry was to help. And how the two celebrated when Liu tapped her Chinese intelligence-funded bank account to throw Kerry a big fat thank-you fund-raiser at the Beverly Hills Hotel to show her gratitude.

But Bossie s just getting warmed up describing that little transaction. Just as damning was Kerry s relationship with a key figure in the largest banking scandal in history   the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. A Middle Eastern financial institution, BCCI s customers included arms merchants, drug dealers, despots such as (Manuel) Noriega, and intelligence agencies.

CEO Paul, who now sits in a federal prison in Miami, Florida, is also a former chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee   appointed by Kerry   and a friend.

Of Kerry, Paul told Bossie, I don t know if I would vote for him. I knew Kerry well, but I don t think he has the intellect of Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice, and Kerry could change his opinion on a dime.

So when Kerry boldly makes the claim: Let me tell you something, for 35 years I ve been standing up and fighting against those special interests. I m the only United Sates senator currently serving who has run four times ...who s voluntarily run for reelection not with special interest money, not with PAC money, not with soft money...    it s all the more outrageous.

The truth is Kerry is "the Senate's number one recipient of individual campaign contributions from paid lobbyists," taking in more money   almost $640,000   from them in the last 15 years than any other senator in Washington, and more than $6.3 million from lawyers since 1989. His presidential campaign has received nearly $3.5 million, making Kerry, long an opponent of tort reform (though he recently claimed he was now for tort reform), the second-highest recipient of money from trial lawyers of all U.S. senators.

As Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga., puts it, Kerry is the "Olympic Gold Medalist when it comes to special interest money."

Kerry on Terrorism

There is, however, one issue on which Kerry has almost never switched his position, one that would be terrifying under a Kerry presidency: He has nearly always taken the side of America's enemies.

Bossie describes how Radio Pyongyang, the official mouthpiece of the North Korean communist dictatorship, broadcasts Kerry's speeches in "glowing terms" and writes, "Pyongyang seems to hope victory for the Democratic candidate on November 2 would lead to a softening in U.S. policy towards the country s nuclear weapons program."

And for all of McCain's defending of Kerry against negative campaign ads, Bossie quotes his words from earlier years about Kerry's pro-communist activity, saying publicly that Kerry's anti-war rhetoric was "the most effective propaganda [North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us ... bombarding us with anti-war quotes." While McCain suffered for six years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton, North Vietnamese guards would taunt him and other prisoners with anti-war rhetoric from Kerry and others, Bossie writes.

Even since 9/11, Kerry s anti-American approach to foreign enemies has not changed. After proposing billions of dollars in cuts to America's intelligence and defense after each of the terrorist attacks against America throughout the '90s, Kerry even proposed a $10 billion cut after 9/11 - $150 million of it just two short months after the attack.

The cuts, writes Bossie, formed Kerry's defense "strategy," according to his campaign. "In all, Kerry has voted to cut, transfer, or otherwise reduce the defense budget over the years at least 38 times   including cuts in many weapons systems that have saved the lives of many U.S. soldiers in military engagements like Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere."

Even Kerry's Democrat colleagues in the Senate, including decorated World War II veteran Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), Dennis DeConcini (D-Ariz.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), have blasted him for his proposed cuts. They say that Kerry was ignoring threats by North Korea and terrorism against "American citizens and property," and that he was trying to put "blindfolds over our pilots' eyes," something one can easily picture the hijackers doing on the 9/11 flights. Notes Bossie, even Ted Kennedy voted against some of Kerry's proposed cuts in defense and intelligence.

To add insult to injury, Kerry had the audacity to tell NBC News as recently as January that the terrorist threat against America was "exaggerated." In April 2004 on National Public Radio, he defended a Muslim extremist in Iraq who was responsible for terrorists killing scores of American troops.

In one of his fastest flips on record, it didn t take Kerry but three weeks to violate a pledge he made not to attack President Bush during a time of war. And when the images from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal surfaced, the Kerry campaign s first instinct was to exploit them for profit - urging supporters to send money as a sign of support for Kerry s demand that Rumsfeld resign over the scandal.

Completely unashamed of his anti-American foreign policy sentiments, Kerry never attempts to deny them, but rather freely admits his willingness to hand over control of America s military to other countries and the U.N. Bossie quotes the Harvard Crimson, Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. What Kerry seems less proud to say is that he s an American. Rather, I m an internationalist, he proclaims. I d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.

And that is exactly what we will see under a Kerry Presidency, as Bossie convincingly lays out.

Fact after damning fact, Bossie's expose on Kerry lays his verbal record side by side with his voting record   and the record speaks for itself. This is a candidate who believes he is entitled to the presidency and is willing to do whatever it takes to get it   even if that means sacrificing America itself.

It s a record Kerry must have already known the media would give him a pass on - knowing the facts of his life were just lying there for the taking by any reporter who chose to dig a little.

The bottom line is ... it s up to the national media to hold him accountable, and I don t have a lot of confidence that they re going to do that. ...He s very systematic and calculating...He s someone who tries to usurp and steal republican ideas and claim credit for things he didn t have anything to do with.

The candidate who has to steal his slogans from the Bush campaign because he can't come up with any on his own gets his ideas about what s good for the country from America s enemies, who have lined up for blocks to support Kerry   from Fidel Castro to North Korea s tyrannical dictator to the Communist Party to backstabbing French and German socialists and a Sandinista thug. Americans should be warned; they are alliances Kerry stands ready to virtually hand U.S. sovereignty as President. And Bossie has him on record.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:03 AM

"George Bush did not stand before a Congressional Committee and tell lies..."

But, of course, its O.K. for Bush to lie about WMDs, 911 and Osama.

which puts the whole nation in jeopardy including you and your family.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 10:58 PM

Nah, troll, yer attack on Kerry superceeds anything you have written... it shows yer real *spots*....

Like I said, I ain't a Kerry guy but yer posts attacking him while defending Bush ain't gonna take no rocket scientist to figure out...

Maybe a *Duh-scientist* might have trouble figguring out where you are coming from...

Hey, I don't mind folks who is pro-Bush saying so... We got our share here but pretending to be a neutral observer while posting stuff that is obviously partisan, don't impress me at all...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM

Bobert, this one isn't down to your usual low standards.

As far as my political affiliation, you would probably be amazed if I told you.

But I won't.

I have already made my opinion of George Bush plain on this forum. You can believe it or not. It doesn't matter.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 10:30 PM

Hey, I wouldn't vote for John Kerry to be the local dog catcher but with that said:

Troll,

You may think you are so high and mighty unpartisan but what you ahve written here is drippign with I-LOVE-BUSH partisanship that to anyone with a pulse...

Hey, if you love Bush this much, just start a "I love Bush" thread...

Your attacks aginst the guy who went to Nam speak volumes about which party you worship....

Nuthin' you can say to me will alter what you have already said. Plainer than plain...

And shame on you for trying to hide you absolute allegence to the Republican Party...

Like I Said... you have made yer allegience painfully clear here...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 09:57 PM

Seems to me that by not volunteering to go, Bush showed uncommon good sense.

Please furnish a link where it shows that Kerry volunteered. That's one I've never heard .

As far as "sliming Kerry for the GOOpers," since when is the truth sliming. As far as I know, he was called up. If he actually did volunteer, fine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I have never questioned John Kerrys physical bravery. His judgement, veracity and character (or lack of it) yes. If it's any consolation to you, I feel pretty much the same way about George Bush but George Bush did not stand before a Congressional Committee and tell lies about me, my family and my friends and then sponsor the telling of more lies in Winter Soldier.

John Kerry did. I think that you can undestand my attitude toward him.

Or maybe you can't. It really doesn't matter.

My take on Kerrys service is that he did it for political gain based on statements to his fellow officers that he would be "the next JFK from Massachusetts". That is why he volunteered for Swift Boat duty. He was on a ship out off the coast and there were no chances for heroics there.

He came aboard the Swift Boats, got his medals, picked up the three Purple Hearts necessary to rotate home and left.

So far, so good. Maybe he was a geuuine hero but his actions afterward were not heroic. He saw that the anti-war movement would be politically powerful and jumped aboard, telling lies to Congress and to the nation.

He got out of his active duty obligation so he could run for office. Whether he used his families pull to acomplish this is really not important. He was part of the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War right up to a national meting in Kansas city (I think it was) where some of the more hotheaded members suggested the assasination of a few key Senators to help in ending the war. It was a time where strong leadership was called for.

Kerry resigned from the Board.

As a state Senator, he did not introduce a single piece of meaningful legislation in 20 years. To the best of my knowledge, he still hasn't.

I believe that the only reason he brought up his military service at all. is because it's the only thing he's ever done that has any meaning.

As far as his character goes, I'll cite two incidents that told me all I'll ever need to know about John Kerry.

First is the snowboarding incident in Vermont I think it was. He was either bumped or ran into a Secret Service man assigned to protect him during the campaign. He roundly cursed the man. When asked later about the fall he said, "I don't fall".

Everybody falls at sometime or another; even the pros. But, apparently, not John Kerry.

The other thing happened when he married his present wife. He had his previous marriage annulled. So, in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church -of which he is a member- his children by his previous marriage are now illegitimate.

I don't know how anyone else defines lack of character, but to me these two incidents pretty well do the job.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:08 PM

Troll:

BTW, Kerry went to 'Nam on the luck of the draw. He was in the Naval Reserve and got called up. Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard and wasn't called up.

More lies fer the cause, eh?

Dubya checked "do not volunteer" for overseas service on his national guard forms (additional source here). Kerry volunteered for Vietnam (if you have reason to dispute the factuality of this claim, out with yer evidence).

Still sliming Kerry for the GOOpers, IC. How courageous, how honourable of you....

Why don't you take my advice, and restrict your criticism to the stuff that's really got your panties in a twist (not to mention things that may a bit more factual)?

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

"The luck of the draw"--not quite.

Most of the men Bush took instruction with in learning to be a pilot were going to Vietnam. They knew it at the time, so did he--and he was teased about the fact at the time.

He knew what to do to avoid service in Vietnam--and he did it.