BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Stu
Date: 28 May 09 - 06:32 AM

"In other words the BNP are sticking two fingers up to to democracy, freedom and intellectual property rights; to say nothing of coherent speech."

Hmmm - another of my posts deleted for some reason.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 28 May 09 - 05:48 AM

There's an article in today's AOL news http://news.aol.co.uk/angry-note-over-bnps-music-sales/article/20090528015957141904094 . It is derived from a letter in today's Times and concerns members of the Musicians Union, who are angry about the BNP selling their records on the BNP website.

According to the article, a BNP spokesperson said, "They've already made their money haven't they? Once that music's gone through a distributor. They're politicising themselves to a high degree by doing this and we wouldn't really be concerned by that. It's up to us what we sell - we're not changing."

In other words the BNP are sticking two fingers up to to democracy, freedom and intellectual property rights; to say nothing of coherent speech. But would anyone seriously expect them to do anything different?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 27 May 09 - 08:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoynBgoRme0
you might not like their style but you cannot argue thier politics

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:48 PM

Looks like Nick Griffin won't be meeting the queen after all ...

... apparently he didn't want to embarass her ...

Yes Nick, you are an embarassment.

Blah Blah Blah ...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:44 PM

I see that DMR has not answered my question regarding their (be it him, her or it's) ancestry. Two or three centuries seem to be sufficient for DMR. So - can him/her/it possibly be of one of the Normans that came over here and stole what wasn't theirs, or of course an ancestor of the landowners that supported enclosure. Not much changed there then!!
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:02 PM

never mind i think i might just have a breakdown!!!lol

good luck peace it must be nice to be loved!!! boo hoo weep sob

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 27 May 09 - 01:38 PM

Sorry Jeddy,

It looks like he's only got one person in his sights.

Looks like you've got a stalker Peace ...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 May 09 - 12:00 PM

"Rebuilding my old L1A1 and there is a lot of sound advice there."

thus speakes the reader of one of the great bird cage liners

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 27 May 09 - 11:52 AM

Just checked their site peace, excellent. Rebuilding my old L1A1 and there is a lot of sound advice there.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 27 May 09 - 10:32 AM

i will fight anyone for the chance to be with him he's such a nice guy so who else is in the running?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 27 May 09 - 09:54 AM

Hey DMR,

Which BNP members appeal to you the most?

Is it the ones who make passes at underage girls?

The ones who beat people up?

the ones who picket the houses of Paediatricians?

The ones who deny the holocaust?

The ones who teach the KKK how to sell ethnic cleansing to the masses in appealing language?

Or would you rather discuss something else?


BTW - I understand that you like Peace - Your sincerity is just beautiful and its almost as if you aren't aware of anyone else on this thread - however I get the impression that if you are hoping to start a little love affair with him then you may be misguided.

I don't think he fancies you.

I mean - there's something cute about you paying him so much attention and all ...

But I think you'll just have to ask one of your big meaty thug twinks to ... erm ... console you when the election results come through.

There's usually plenty of boys hanging out at the BNP pubs that I drive past.

Best of British eh?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 27 May 09 - 04:13 AM

A big thanks peace for that.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:29 AM

To Daily Mail reader:

rawles (at) usa (dot) net

for the FN stuff you seek. If anyone'd have a lead on it, he would.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:21 AM

Why is the BNP in bed with groups like the KKK, CHP, Aryan Nations, etc?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 May 09 - 03:19 AM

Child Benefit - Oh yes, that's the non means-tested one, that ius paid irrespective of income..... the one that is payable to the city fat-cats as well as the unemployed... I can imagine the dialogue now

He: I've got bad news, my bonus has been cut to £50,000 because of the recession.
She: never mind dear, we are still getting Child benefit, we will get by somehow.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 May 09 - 02:45 AM

If you are going to make comparisons of benefit rates, please can you also state the comparative average wages and comparative cost of living?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 May 09 - 02:11 AM

Our taxes?

Did you make it clear that the term OUR taxes includes:

(1) employment taxes paid by BMER (including Polish) employees. So what is the total tax contribution?

(2) Self-employment taxes paid by BMER (including Polish) who run businesses in the UK, and employment taxes by any "UK White" employees of such businesses?

(3) Corporation Tax of UK registered companies owned by BMER (including Polish) directors?

(4) Uniform Business Rates paid by BMER (Including Polish) businesses occupying premises in UK that do not attract DRR or MRR?

(5) VAT on non-zero-rated products collected and paid. Duties and other indirect taxes collected and paid by BMER (including Polish) businesses?

Before you start mud-slinging at your target population for the year, state both sides of the equation! But since when did the Daily Mail present balanced reporting when mudslinging sells more papers..

And finally - based on an observation I made near where I live on my way home last night? Who make better citizenship role models: BMER (including Polish) people who work hard and diligently, who work for care sector organisations looking after the welfare of older people, people with disabilities, carers, NHS staff OR the group of UK White shaved-head thugs who were hanging around a street corner swilling lager and intimidating passers-by or the UK white lout who I witnessed spitting at a black passenger at Southall station for having the audicity to walk pass him????

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 May 09 - 10:19 PM

"BNP: What would you do?"


                Vote 'em in. They can't do any worse than the blokes who've been mucking things up recently.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 26 May 09 - 08:25 PM

i guess it's past your' bedtime DMR as you haven't got back to me.
or is it that your' parents found you?
sweet dreams.



night all looking forward to reading your' thoughts in the morning
take care x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 26 May 09 - 08:08 PM

that last post was aimed at dmr did not MEAN to insult anyone else
i should have made that clear, sorry all

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 26 May 09 - 08:06 PM

BBC News report on the same information

'Benefit claims

At the Goodwin Trust Sylwia Szewczyk is as community cohesion co-ordinator.

"This week about 10 people have come saying they've been made redundant.

"Mostly they have no qualifications, they can't speak English, and they can't claim benefits. But they try to stay in the UK and it's quite difficult for them." '........

'Unemployment in Poland is currently 11.1%, compared to 6.7% in the UK.

"They stay because they came to the UK to succeed. For them going back to Poland would be shaming," says Sylwia.

There's more than anecdotal evidence that Poles and migrant workers from other former communist countries are choosing to sit out the global downturn in the UK rather than returning home.

Figures from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) for last year show a 40% rise in income-related benefit claims, compared with the year before, from citizens of the eight eastern European countries which joined the EU in 2004 - known as the A8 countries.


But the biggest impact seems to be increasingly tough competition for jobs rather than benefit claims.

Outside the Britannia job centre in Hull, there's a steady stream of people.

There are 28 people on job seekers' allowance per job vacancy in Hull - and you don't have to look far to find resentment.

"It gets people down, these migrants taking all our jobs. Added to the recession, it is one problem on top of another," says a man leaving the job centre.

He declines to give his name..'

a bit like our cowardly nasty nazi 'guests' really

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 26 May 09 - 08:02 PM

why just pick on them though when there are so many white folks on benifits i will tell you why because THEY are the easy targets!!!
and for the record i am english .
not for any reason other than i live in and was born in england i don't see the problem in being proud of ones heritage but i am very willing to share the perks of living here with anyone who wants or needs to. well except maybe you

i am very unhappy at where some of my taxes go although i am sure my motives differ to yours. i think public money should be used to help peole in need and to take care of the country.

for example, i want more money for firefighters and street cleaners but less money for the nhs,it's not the amount of money that the nhs get that's causing the problems it's the fact that they pay too much forthe people running it who don't actually make any difference.

if the nhs was organised properly on a national scale we wouldn't have the postcode lottery would we? we wouldn't have the elderly starving in hospitals up and down the country.


still think i haven't got a clue?   run along now and see if you can remember your' name there's a good chap

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:57 PM

It possibly should be noted that the only part of the April 19, 2009 article in the Daily Mail that can be accurately attributed to Dr. Mokrzycki is We think lots of single people who came here may leave but the families will stay for as long as possible. Once they are set up they are qualified for benefits and support, and as EU citizens they will receive it. Lower benefits payments in Poland means there is 'no reason' for them to return home. The sentence Child benefit for a first child in the UK is £20 per week - compared with £3 in Poland. is outside of quotes and follows "he added". The rest of the information noted above by GUEST,Daily Mail reader 26 May 09 - 06:09 PM is attributed to other people, unattributed, or not in the on-line version of this article.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:46 PM

Clearly you don't care how your tax is spent jeddy. I do. The abuse is rift, read up on it before you post.

Best of British to you.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:41 PM

that's right DMR let's cut all benefits off to those who' DON'T BELONG HERE,   so they GO HOME
then we could imprison those who have the right TO BE HERE. when that phase is over we could slowly starve them by giving them less and less food in the jails.
when the jails are empty we could send the ILL AND INFIRM there and do it again.
then we could send the people who have the wrong attitudes, get rid of them.
then it could be the turn of unmarried mums.
then i reakon it's the turn of all those who have lost any job no matter what the reason in the last 5 years
we could then pick on the farmers who owm less than say 8 acres
and pretty soon we have YOUR' perfect country with only you and a few others left because you and your' ilk are pefect and untainted


yeah right a vote for the bnp might start out not that badbut if they had their way it wouldn't take long!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:29 PM

Thanks peace. Really like to help, but I don't know of any British Nazi Party, so can't assist. Are you sure one exists ?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:16 PM

Try Australia. Make sure it's been manufactured in a Commonwealth country. Gotta go. NOW, answer my question. I answered yours.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:15 PM

Rephrase the question slightly - "Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with other hate groups around the world?" - and it answers itself.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 07:13 PM

I remember you telling me peace you did a bit of shooting over there, I am looking a Trijicon Trophy Point 4x and an A.R.M.S mount for a L1A1, If you can help an old squaddie please let me know where I can get one, tried everywhere over here, I know you guys over there used them.

Best of British to you my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:56 PM

In case you forgot, here's the question for time 763:

'"'"Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with hate groups around the world? KKK, Aryan Nations, Canadian Heritage Party? I've no doubt they have--in fact I KNOW they have--Stormfront members.

Would one of you British Nazi Party guests--hell, you're all guests because you do NOT have the courage of your convictions--not when you'd have to stand alone, anyway. There's a word for that: gutless. But, that's to be expected of people who fashion themselves after people like Hitler, Eichmann, et.al.

What's your timeline for the death camps? Any idea?"

I was kinda hoping a BNP person would answer this. '"

I hope this is answered because it's gonna be a post filled with quotation marks real soon. '

I ain't havin' too much luck . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:52 PM

Yippee for you. Now, answer my question or fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:49 PM

When I was there I met a guy who also worked in the emergency services, he was based at CFB Moose Jaw.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:43 PM

Nice don't mean shit to me, fellow.

As for my question: why is the BNP in bed with white hate groups?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:39 PM

Hi peace, so how is the weather over there ? I was in Canada three years ago and your winter extended my holiday by four days !

Have to say your airports are much better at dealing with a big freeze than here in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:36 PM

IMO, he just looks at the picyures . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:35 PM

The Daily Mail is a pretty crap paper, but there are plenty of decent enough people who read it. It shouldn't be assumed that they share the views of our self styled "GUEST,Daily Mail reader".

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:25 PM

'"'"Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with hate groups around the world? KKK, Aryan Nations, Canadian Heritage Party? I've no doubt they have--in fact I KNOW they have--Stormfront members.

Would one of you British Nazi Party guests--hell, you're all guests because you do NOT have the courage of your convictions--not when you'd have to stand alone, anyway. There's a word for that: gutless. But, that's to be expected of people who fashion themselves after people like Hitler, Eichmann, et.al.

What's your timeline for the death camps? Any idea?"

I was kinda hoping a BNP person would answer this. '"

I hope this is answered because it's gonna be a post filled with quotation marks real soon. '

I ain't havin' too much luck . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:09 PM

SPB,Maybe you could also give this consideration. Jan Mokrzycki, of the Federation of Poles in Great Britain, said in the Daily Mail: 'We think lots of single people who came here may leave but the families will stay for as long as possible. Once they are set up they are qualified for benefits and support. Ania Heasley, who runs an employment agency and advice service for eastern Europeans in London, said Polish workers were becoming 'very well-versed' in the UK benefits system.


Any EU citizen who works here for 12 months can claim the full range of state benefits, including child and housing benefit, and jobseeker's allowance.


Lower benefits payments in Poland means there is 'no reason' for them to return home, he added. Child benefit for a first child in the UK is £20 per week - compared with £3 in Poland.

In the last quarter of 2008, Home Office figures show that 4,049 immigrants from the 'A8' eastern European states which joined the EU in 2004 applied for benefits in the UK - a rise of almost two thirds on the same period in 2007.
Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.

A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.

The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.


Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.

The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.

Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.

Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.

That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.

The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.

In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:51 PM

Some open questions - all parties, but in my opinion issues that voters should be considering when they make their decisions.

Local Elections:

If you are elected to your local authority, how do you envisage forwarding the Local Strategic Partnership and meeting the Local Area Agreement targets in a cohesive manner?

How would you ensure that access to Individual Budgets will be fair and applied consistently across all sectors of the community?

What personalisation model would you apply?

European Elections

What measures would you apply to ensure that people employed by UK firms in Central and Eastern European states will enjoy the rights enjoyed by workers in this country?

What is your future vision for use of structural and cohesion funding across Europe?

What measures would you take to promote innovation across Europe so that europe can compete effectively in international markets?

What are your priorities for the development of the Third Sector in Europe?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 May 09 - 11:13 AM

Charming... anyway I am off to my Czech language class.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 May 09 - 11:07 AM

I just received this from my sister in Canada. Aren't they just a lovely family?

Here's a little something from 'the colonies'

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: goatfell
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:46 AM

now that is being honext I wish that there was more people on this sit like that, instead od being PC

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:42 AM

Your friend is probably better off now
That's the sort of mealy-mouthed utterance that's usually made after an elderly aunt has died of cancer.
Gee, thanks DMR, you really do have a way with words!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:13 AM

Your friend is probably better off now. I respect them.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: fiddler
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:12 AM

Back to the story line!

In the end I think Cllr knew someone would out the BNP Candidate. It was me.

I have just come back from Chippenham festival where I managed to say no more than Hi to said candidate once all weekend.

It was hard decison to out her. A decision made after she told me 'would rather keep political discussions private.' - as the council web site shows it is a public matter and I have no regrets about outing my former friend and occasional singing partner. I cannot support anyone who promotes the policies of the BNP and attempts to get others to accept them too!

I see nothing despicatble or shameful about it. It is legally in the public domain and said candidates life is now public property accordingly. Keeping quiet and not opposing such views led to some amazingly disgusting things in the past - the holocaust being just one of them. sorry this did not happen either!

No I did the right thing and am pleased. My concience is clear and I personally feel a lot better and am now honest in myself.

Andy

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:08 AM

Mike aka Cllr, again I salute your courage. I am in almost identical case to you, having had to sunder a friendship because the former friend's political standpoint is unacceptable to me.

At risk of thread drift - not that it hasn't :-) - I had thought of wasting a vote on UKIP until I saw what I think is its latest poster -

"Say NO to unlimited immigration" OWTTE. UKIP, BNP - two sides of one coin ?

Oh, and Churchill, giving his favourite V sign. Only it was arse-about-face :-).

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 May 09 - 04:32 AM

And every single root and twig is from there, too?

Of course not, art. That's just the easily traceable line. We were blasted immigrants who came over to take English jobs (assuming they could do them, I believe the Flemish who came over to East Anglia were quite skilled in the woolen trade). I've no idea what else may be there but I certainly would not assume everything else must be "British".

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 26 May 09 - 04:20 AM

Good to see you can trace back to the 17th. and 18th. centuries GUEST, Daily Mail Reader, so you can account for 3 or 4 centuries but you didn't state if they were all british - whoopee do. I did state that my paternal grandfather was of fairground travelling stock. What I didn't say is that my name is of course Irish. My maternal grandfather was Scottish, and my maternal grandmother was the grandaughter of Dutch Jewish stock. Where, in your scheme of things, should I go back to?
I can see why Cllr has a dilemna with his friend if she has your mindset. Never mind, you just go on hiding behind your cowardly anononimity.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 May 09 - 04:01 AM

Yesterday I posted a message expressing my belief that the BNP would be forced to open concentration camps, to accommodate those 'foreign' nationals they couldn't repatriate.

Found out last night I was wrong. There I was in my local pub, drinking English beer, when I rather gingerly picked up a copy of the Daily Telegraph which someone had left. There at the bottom of p25, was the answer, straight from the fat man himself.

"What would he do with those he couldn't send "home" because we don't know their nationality? It's the kind of thorny problem real politicians wrestle with, but Griffin looked like his head would explode. Eventually he spluttered: "Drop them out of a plane somewhere over Africa. I don't really care." I realised dialogue was futile."

Who said the BNP have no policies?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 25 May 09 - 09:18 PM

"'"Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with hate groups around the world? KKK, Aryan Nations, Canadian Heritage Party? I've no doubt they have--in fact I KNOW they have--Stormfront members.

Would one of you British Nazi Party guests--hell, you're all guests because you do NOT have the courage of your convictions--not when you'd have to stand alone, anyway. There's a word for that: gutless. But, that's to be expected of people who fashion themselves after people like Hitler, Eichmann, et.al.

What's your timeline for the death camps? Any idea?"







I was kinda hoping a BNP person would answer this. '"



I hope this is answered because it's gonna be a post filled with quotation marks real soon.