BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 03:22 PM

In Chester County, Pennsylvania, police are investigating graffiti on a building before it was set on fire: "KILL ZIMMERMAN." Firefighters were called to the scene of the fire at ProSigns, a company manufacturing commercial signs for business, and found that phrase spray-painted in red on the front of the building. The firefighters put out the fire without significant damage. The fire has been ruled arson.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM

"Zimmerman's brother also stated that the family is worried that the Department of Justice is being pressured by special interest groups to open a federal investigation into the case.

"I think Eric Holder is being pressured by some groups who were calling for, initially, just an arrest. These same groups keep moving around the goal posts: the NAACP, Al Sharpton, the Rainbow Push Coalition with Jesse Jackson." Zimmerman noted.

"First they wanted just a simple arrest and that's it, have his fair day in court and whatever the verdict is, we'll respect it. Then when the verdict was coming they wanted him to be found guilty. But the verdict isn't what they wanted, so now they're moving the goal post again, and calling on the Department of Justice to investigate him more." the brother added.

"I understand the Justice Department's responding to pressure," Zimmerman continued. "But I think that the American people need a little bit of time to digest those two words 'Not Guilty.' It doesn't mean nothing happened. I think most of the people who were upset with that outcome didn't actually pay attention to the trial." "

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:46 PM

Richard,

A decent person would apologize, but I don't expect you to even try to qualify as decent- it might damage your "liberal credentials".

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM

And of course, Goofball, you don't think the news is a reliable source of facts. Well, to a large degree, it isn't. But when reading and listening, one must consider the integrity of the sources, compare different reports, and determine what is most probably true and hold the rest in abeyance until further evidence is available.

With diligence and thought, one can usually ferret out the truth.

I learned to do that on the job. In fact, my job depended on my ability to do this.

Your brand of instant assumption and conclusion-jumping just wouldn't have cut it. The station manager would have booted your ass out the door right after your first newscast.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:37 PM

As usual, the Liberal Voices not only lie about what was presented as evidence, they lie about what is posted without regard to the documented facts.

Richard "checked" and found that he was wrong- so he lied about it. Typical...

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:33 PM

Richard,

"BRUCIE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR - SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED. GO AND FUCKING CHECK. CUNT."


I checked, and you are wrong.

"he lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
"
What part don't you fucking understand, SFB?


Got to hell, you scumbag liar.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeWQYhZ1CS0


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeWQYhZ1CS0

z"SANFORD, Fla. March 27, 2012
The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense."


Or can you provide some source for your error to make it misinformed rather than being a total shithead?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:29 PM

Firth: "Brucie, I don't let anybody make up my mind for me. I read the news and make up my own mind, based on what facts are available."

PERFECT!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:25 PM

Typo:..last sentence should be 'listen' , not 'listed'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:23 PM

Brucie, I don't let anybody make up my mind for me. I read the news and make up my own mind, based on what facts are available.

Too bad more people don't do the same thing.

Don Firth

P. S. And Don T., I live in the Pacific Northwest, up in the upper left-hand corner of the country. It's not that we're free of racism here, but the vast majority of people work and play alongside people of different races with no problems or strife.

When I worked at Boeing some years ago, my supervisor was Japanese-American. When I transferred to another division to do engineering drawings for a new airplane (the 747 jumbo-jet), my supervisor was black.

At other jobs, I've had co-workers of different races and ethnicities, and there was no srrife or signs of prejudice. In fact, I found the diversity stimulating and educational.

Those in other parts of the country who are blinded by racial barriers in their own minds are depriving themselves of a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:20 PM

Hey, beardedbruce has posted more interesting posts, whether you agree with them or not, than the rest of the nonsense posted by his attackers COMBINED. Greg, very rarely posts ANYTHING of 'news value', at all... just one liners filled with his resistance to carry on a decent exchange. Bobert is out for blood, regardless of the facts, just so long as it goes with his backwoods southern opinions of 'kill whitey', and Don is just there to keep the momentum going. Don T, foams and froths so much, you can't make sense out of any of it...other that he is an expert froth and foamer!
Rarely are the topics posted by Bruce, actually discussed, just dismissed, amidst political vitriol.
All I want to know, is, Is your music that discombobulated too?..No thought, no continuity, no sense??

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, justified?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, just?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, justice?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, just more stupid acts?

What is the point of fanning hatred, resentment and divisions? The verdict is in, the prosecution lost, because they forced a political agenda, instead of methodically proceeded to prosecute for the crimes, because they were crimes....and now the political crybabies are whining, and planning more violence, because they're all such 'peace loving' haters with an agenda...anything to stir up confusion, just to be able to 'offer' a 'solution' of more oppression, though they will argue otherwise.
The verdict is in, get over it!..and whether you agree with it or not, at least TRY to act like a mature adult!
The media driven obsession of this case, while ignoring a shitload of other crimes of violence and murder, speaks VOLUMES regarding exploitation of bias, that the media either helps create, or stirs up. YOU can be influenced and controlled by it if you want, and you can be proud that you can't think for yourselves, you can ignore the facts, and replace them with emotionally driven opinions, but you also should never think that people should take you seriously!..and your heightened emotions mixed with anxieties about it, just advertizes, that can't think for yourselves and have control over it!
...and then you act so 'indignant' that people won't take you seriously!
..I mean if you won't listed to a friend telling you that...who will you listen to??..the media????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:15 PM

Lot of long stuff above that I have not read - but

BRUCIE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR - SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED. GO AND FUCKING CHECK. CUNT.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:08 PM

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.
Zimmerman's anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.
Since Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February -- in what he insists was self-defense -- Zimmerman's family has pointed to his efforts to "get justice" for Ware in response to people around the country who have accused him of racially profiling the 17-year-old. Zimmerman is Hispanic; Trayvon Martin was black.
Trayvon Martin's girlfriend's testimony Audio evidence in Trayvon Martin case New video shows Trayvon Martin Geragos: New documents hurt Martin case Criminal expert: Zimmerman will go free Last images of Trayvon Martin alive 'Stand your ground' plea rejected
HLN: Zimmerman wife talks publicly for the first time
Last year in September, Zimmerman wrote an e-mail to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee saying, "In the past, I have not had a positive perspective of Sanford Police Department, due primarily to the Sherman Ware incident."
A video from the night of Ware's beating showed Justin Collison hitting the young man. Collison ended up pleading guilty to misdemeanor battery
Zimmerman's outrage over the incident was clear at the public meeting the previous January.
Attorneys in Zimmerman case want evidence sealed
"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line," he said at the hearing. CNN obtained a recording this week.
He mentioned Brian Tooley, who was Sanford's police chief at the time of the Ware incident. "I'd like to know what action the commission intends on making in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension. I'm not asking you to repeal his pension. I believe that he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up and corruption and what happened in his department."
While Zimmerman is not heard specifically mentioning Ware in the recording, the official minutes from the hearing state that citizen demands included "a full review of the Sherman Ware cover-ups on behalf of" Sanford police.
Public outcries of police misconduct forced Tooley into early retirement. He was not charged with illegal activity.
Despite his previous frustration with police, the September e-mail included thanks to Lee and praise for the department's "professionalism."
The e-mail, eight months after the public meeting, shows a significant shift in Zimmerman's relationship with police, months before officers responded to the Trayvon Martin shooting.
However, a spokesperson for Lee said in a e-mail to CNN that the police chief "has never met Mr. Zimmerman and does not know him."
"The email Chief Lee received in 2011 was not unique among the numerous complimentary emails Chief Lee has received from Sanford residents," Sara Brady wrote. "As is his practice, Chief Lee responded to a positive comment from a citizen. Based on comments that Mr. Zimmerman is reported to have made in a public forum before Chief Lee was hired, it is not likely that Mr. Zimmerman would have endeared himself to members of the police department."
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the death, which sparked nationwide protests and inflamed public passions over race relations and gun control.
Inconsistencies in Trayvon Martin case
Critics of the case have questioned his relationship with police, noting that Zimmerman worked closely with officers as part of his work with the neighborhood watch program he started.
The January 8, 2011, recording from the meeting at Sanford's City Hall is a reminder that the relationship wasn't always positive.
"I also have had the opportunity to take ride-alongs with the city of Sanford Police Department and what I saw was disgusting," Zimmerman said at the time. "The officer showed me his favorite hiding spots for taking naps. ... He took two lunch breaks and attended a going-away party for one of his fellow officers."
Zimmerman prosecutors release evidence list
Sanford Police Capt. Robert O'Connor told CNN that the department does not have specific details about when Zimmerman rode with police or whom he rode with, "if in fact he ever did ride with SPD."
In the September 18, 2011, e-mail, obtained by CNN after a records request, Zimmerman said he had "a completely new perspective" after working closely with the department's community volunteer coordinator.
Donations pour in to Trayvon Martin's killer
He praised the volunteer coordinator's quick responses to e-mails and phone calls, saying she went "above and beyond to help launch a neighborhood watch" and calling her "a testament to the highest level of professionalism of (the chief's) administration."
"I have high hopes for, and restored faith in your administration and the Sanford Police Department in its entirety," he wrote.
Sanford interim Police Chief Richard Myers declined comment to CNN, but told the Miami Herald newspaper in a written statement, "Based upon the questions being posed, it would be inappropriate for any of us to speculate or conclude anything gleaned from the recording or any e-mail documents.
"Neither the city manager nor the interim police chief were with the City of Sanford at the time the recording was made, and neither were here during the tenure of the former chief cited in one of the questions," the statement said. "As a police chief I embrace the notion that transparency helps build public trust, but in this case, the need to preserve the sanctity of a criminal prosecution for both the prosecutor and the defense requires us to eschew making any comments that could taint the process."
Documents released last week showed a cordial relationship between Zimmerman and the police.
New documents shed light on Trayvon Martin killing
Beginning in August 2011, Zimmerman exchanged e-mails with the Sanford police department at least three times, the documents show. A rash of burglaries that began in July prompted the watch captain to ask the police department to host a neighborhood watch presentation for members of the community.
Zimmerman's e-mails with Sanford police show a pleasant, even friendly, relationship. In an e-mail dated September 19, Sanford police volunteer coordinator Wendy Dorival thanked Zimmerman for his "kind words" sent to the chief. He responded, "It was with great pleasure that I sent that e-mail, you deserve the recognition!"
Police records indicate that five burglaries were documented in the neighborhood where Zimmerman lived in less than three months, starting in mid-July.
Five months before the Martin shooting, at the neighborhood watch meeting on September 22, Sanford police distributed contact cards and hosted a presentation on crime-prevention and security measures, according to the documents. Some of the fliers distributed read, "Report suspicious persons ... activities ... or vehicles." Another reads, "Know your neighbor" -- going on to issue advice on how to "profile" your neighborhood block.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

"Martin Luther King Jr's niece Alveda King made some comments Monday about the aftermath of the George Zimmerman verdict that people on both sides of the aisle should heed.

Appearing on the Steve Malzberg Show on NewsMax TV, King said the NAACP was "race-baiting" and trying to stir up "racial anarchy" by pushing for the justice department to prosecute a civil rights case against Zimmerman.

STEVE MALZBERG: There's all kinds of calls from the NAACP and everyone else on that side of the issue for a civil rights case to be brought against George Zimmerman. Do you believe that that would be helpful?
ALVEDA KING: It is not helpful to race-bait, NAACP and all of those other organizations who also support abortion, who also support the destruction of natural marriage and family. So we need to wonder why they're doing that, what kind of checks and money they're getting behind the scenes to stir us up into racial anarchy when we should be speaking nonviolence, justice, peace, and love as Trayvon's parents are doing by the way.
And so I believe that we need to ask why they're race-baiting, because they are, and therefore I don't defend they're issues. "Oh, this is a race problem. It's all of that." No, this is a human heart problem. We need to approach this in prayer, we need to be nonviolent, we need to learn from this lesson so that Trayvon Martin, many years from now when we remember, will say that's the time in American history when people realized that something was very wrong in America, a young man died, and America went on her knees. That's really what I'm trying to get across."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:58 PM

""You get real...if you want to end racial hating, then end it!
These IS another way!""

Yep! You can have "Welcome Massa Boss! tattooed across your chest and lay across the Southern Gentleman's doorway.

He'll wipe his feet on you and love you for being a Good Boy.

Thank Christ I live in the UK where having black friends doesn't scandalise the neighbours or frighten the cattle.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:57 PM

BTW, more on the potential black juror struck by the PROSECUTION:

In case you were wondering, Skolnick is not a Zimmerman supporter or a conservative.

Besides being hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons' political director and the co-president of GlobalGrind.com, he's also on the board of directors of the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

That said, it appears black jurors were only going to be acceptable to the prosecution if they were liberals getting their "news" from Zimmerman-hating media outlets.

Martin supporters should keep that in mind as they complain about the makeup of the jury.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:53 PM

""So does Zimmerman get his gun back now? Any restrictions?""

Of course he does! It's his inalienable right as an innocent man. Whiter than white,.....for the moment at least.

Besides the real white Florida might need Teflon George (nothing sticks) to do it again.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:52 PM

Don Firth,

And yet you accept Greggie boy as a self-appointed "Liberal Voice"without any complaint?


You are sicker than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

And I also wonder about Songwronger, who does the same thing, not to mention Goofball, who follows on what Songwronger and beardedbruce post, adding nothing but "Yessir, yessir, three bags full."

They're Mudcat's version of Beavis and Butthead, followed around by an obsequious Spongebob Squarepants.

Don't these people have anything useful to do?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

""The outside agitators came.
They burned some churches and put the blame,
On decent southern people's names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of niggers and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would've told us if we'd done wrong.""

Outside agitators like the WHITE guy in the story that follows:

""On Sunday, 15th September, 1963, a white man was seen getting out of a white and turquoise Chevrolet car and placing a box under the steps of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. Soon afterwards, at 10.22 a.m., the bomb exploded killing Denise McNair (11), Addie Mae Collins (14), Carole Robertson (14) and Cynthia Wesley (14). The four girls had been attending Sunday school classes at the church. Twenty-three other people were also hurt by the blast.

Civil rights activists blamed George Wallace, the Governor of Alabama, for the killings. Only a week before the bombing he had told the New York Times that to stop integration Alabama needed a "few first-class funerals.""

THAT folks is the US Southland that the rest of the WORLD sees, and it hasn't apparently changed a bit.

Here's the latest vigilante, with a record of violence including three accusations of assault, one of assaulting a police officer while resisting arrest, one accusation of sustained and persistent child abuse against a member of his family and, because he is getting bolder, being apparently teflon coated, escalation to killing an innocent teenager, and getting away with it with the connivance of white Florida authorities.

A shameful and despicable blot upon everything that America is supposed to stand for.

TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY!

Tell THAT to Trayvon Martin and his grieving family.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:47 PM

Don Firth

I had not noticed that you even bothered to read the posts before commenting on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:43 PM

"George Zimmerman haters throughout the media have carped and whined about the fact that there weren't any African-Americans on the jury despite the law requiring the accused NOT the victim be judged by his peers.

On CNN Newsroom Tuesday, it was revealed that a potential black juror had been struck by the prosecution for committing the crime of being a Fox News watcher

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

Where does beardedbruce get all the time to read, then copy-and-paste all this stuff?

I don't have time to do more than quickly skim what he posts. I do keep up with the news, but I live in the 3-D world and have other things to do.

Where, I wonder, does he live?

And what might be his motivation?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:37 PM

You mean this Jew, or did you have another in mind?



Twenty-one years ago a tragic car accident in Crown Heights Brooklyn escalated into a pogrom against the Jewish people, thanks in part to this faux-preacher.

The media gives this pogrom a politically correct description, violence between the area's Blacks and Jews. They ignore the fact that the violence was not two-sided. The Crown Heights riot was an attack on the Jews by the neighborhood's Caribbean community.

Black Antisemitism in the Summer of 1991

Jews were a key part of the civil rights movement in the 1960s, when the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. made his famous march to Selma Alabama, he walked hand in hand with many Jews including Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel. Along with the Jews was a contingent of Torahs to emphasize that the quest for Civil Rights was a holy mission for the Jewish people.

In spite of the strong Jewish participation in the civil rights movement the transformation from the peaceful marches to Black power movement introduced considerable friction into African American-Jewish relations, especially within the "Black Muslim" movement.

During the 1970s and 1980s African-Americans stopped looking at Jews as their allies but as their oppressors. The Jews were seen as having the political power that the African-Americans desired. Black leaders such as Louis Farrakhan, and Jesse Jackson went public with anti-Semitic comments.

Adding to the hatred were the leaders of the South African anti-Apartheid movement who traveled throughout the United States as conquering heroes, and spreading Jew-hatred. For example, in 1984 Desmond Tutu publicly complained about American Jews having "an arrogance—the arrogance of power because Jews are a powerful lobby in this land and all kinds of people woo their support.

Understandably Jewish/Black relations were already rocky as NY City entered the summer of 1991.

On July 20, 1991, Leonard Jeffries of City College who had a history of anti-Semitic slurs presented a two-hour long speech claiming "rich Jews" financed the slave trade, Jews control the film industry (together with Italian mafia), and use that control to paint a brutal stereotype of blacks. Jeffries also attacked Diane Ravitch, (Assistant Secretary of Education) calling her a "sophisticated Texas Jew," "a debonair racist" and "Miss Daisy."

Jeffries' speech received enormous negative press during the first weeks of August especially from the leaders of the Jewish community who wanted Jeffries fired for the bigotry.
With each new criticism of the professor, leaders in the African-American community rushed to Jeffries' defense. NYC's two black newspapers as well as black radio station WLIB; joined activists such Al Sharpton, Colin Moore, C. Vernon Mason, Sonny Carson, and Lenora Fulani to showcase their approval of Jeffries's "scholarship" and to denounce the people who criticized Jeffries Antisemitism as race baiters.

Serial race-baiter Al Sharpton is credited with saying, "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house" as a response the Crown Heights riot. That is a fallacy; he made that threatening comment to the Jewish community about the growing Jeffries controversy on August 18th the day before the riots began. Clearly something bad was coming.

Jeffries was fired because of his bigoted speech and pressure from the Jewish community (he was later reinstated and won a court case surrounding his firing) leading to further resentment of the Jews from a Black community already being barraged with anti-Jewish incitement from the African-American media.

On Monday 8/19/91 a station wagon driven by Yosef Lifsh, hit another car and bounced onto the sidewalk at 8:21 p.m. The station wagon was part of a 3-car motorcade carrying the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Schneerson. The Rebbe was in a different car.

The station wagon struck two black children, 7-year-old cousins Gavin and Angela Cato who were on the sidewalk. Lifsh immediately got out of his car and tried to help the children gathering crowd started to attack him.

Within minutes, an ambulance from the Hasidic-run ambulance service, and two from the city's Emergency Medical Service arrived. Also the gathering crowd became unruly. The police who showed up radioed for backup reporting the station wagon's driver and passengers were being assaulted. Police officer Nona Capace ordered the Hasidic ambulance to remove the battered Yosef Lifsh, and his passenger from the scene.

The injured children went by separate city ambulances to Kings County Hospital. Gavin Cato was pronounced dead; his cousin survived.


A rumor began to spread that the Hasidic ambulance crew had ignored the dying black child in favor of treating the Jewish men. Ignoring the commandment about bearing false witness, Sharpton used this falsehoodto incite the crowd. Other rumors sprang up Lifsh was intoxicated ( breath alcohol test administered by the police proved his sobriety). More falsehoods circulated; Lifsh did not have a valid driver's license; he went through a red light; the police prevented people including Gavin Cato's father, from assisting in the rescue.

Charles Price, an area resident who had come to the scene of the accident, incited the masses with claims that, "The Jews get everything they want. They're killing our children." Price later pled guilty for inciting the crowd to murder Yankel Rosenbaum.

Ignited by the falsehoods, resentment exploded into violence. Groups of young black men threw rocks, bottles and debris at police, residents and homes.

According to the New York Times, more than 250 neighborhood residents went on a rampage that first night, mostly black teenagers, many of whom were shouting "Jews! Jews! Jews!"

Three hours after the tragic crash, 29-year-old Australian Jewish scholar Yankel Rosenbaum was attacked by a gang of Black teens. He was stabbed four times. Cops quickly arrested Lemrick Nelson, who was identified by Rosenbaum as his attacker. Rosenbaum's wounds were not fatal he was expected to recover; Mayor Dinkins visited Rosenbaum at the hospital. Yankel died at 2:30am Tuesday because the hospital staff missed one of his knife wounds.


The next evening, according to the sworn testimony of Efraim Lipkind, a former Hasidic resident of Crown Heights, Sharpton started agitating the crowd.

"Then we had a famous man, Al Sharpton, who came down, and he said Tuesday night, kill the Jews, two times. I heard him, and he started to lead a charge across the street to Utica."

With each passing hour the violence worsened, Jewish leaders began to desperately complain about the lack of protection to the authorities. They said, the rioters were being allowed to rampage unchecked, too little force was being brought to bear, and too few arrests were being made. Area Jews felt the police were under orders by the City's first black mayor to hold back, that the police were not allowed to fight against the Black rioters, who continued to grow bolder in their anti-Semitic attack as they sensed the appeasement.

The fact is New York City Mayor David Dinkins responded to the riot immediately by deploying 2,000 police officers and making a personal visit to the troubled neighborhood under a hail of rocks and epithets hurled at him by fellow blacks.

Dinkins has spoken of his own mishandling of the riots. Admitting he "screwed up Crown Heights"

"I regret not saying to the police brass sooner whatever you guys are doing is not working" it was then they altered their behavior and they were able to contained the ravaging young blacks who were attacking Jews … I will forever be accused of holding back the police and permitted blacks to attack Jews, however that did not happen it is just inaccurate"

In all, the street violence against the Crown Heights Jews lasted three days/four nights starting with the evening of the accident. On Thursday evening, cops finally restored order, although sporadic violence against Jews continued for weeks after the riot was contained.

Yankel Rosenbaum wasn't the only person murdered by the rioters. On September 5th, Italian-American, Anthony Graziosi, was dragged out of his car, brutally beaten and stabbed to death because his full beard and dark clothing caused him to be mistaken for a Hasidic Jew.

During the funeral of Gavin Cato on August 26th, Al Sharpton gave an anti-Semitic eulogy, which fueled the fires of hatred.

"The world will tell us he was killed by accident. Yes, it was a social accident. … It's an accident to allow an apartheid ambulance service in the middle of Crown Heights. … Talk about how Oppenheimer in South Africa sends diamonds straight to Tel Aviv and deals with the diamond merchants right here in Crown Heights. The issue is not anti-Semitism; the issue is apartheid. … All we want to say is what Jesus said: If you offend one of these little ones, you got to pay for it. No compromise, no meetings, no kaffe klatsch, no skinnin' and grinnin'. Pay for your deeds."

Regarding the Mayor's call for peace Sharpton pontificated:

"They don't want peace, they want quiet."

Sharpton and the lawyer representing the Cato family counseled them not to cooperate with authorities in the investigation and demanded a special prosecutor be named.

Sharpton was asked about the violence, he justified it,

"We must not reprimand our children for outrage, when it is the outrage that was put in them by an oppressive system," he said.

The first Sabbath after the Funeral Sharpton tried unsuccessfully to kick up tensions again by marching 400 protesters in front of the Lubavitch of Crown Heights shouting "No Justice, No Peace."
Sharpton called for the arrest of Lifsh, the driver of the station wagon. Even though more than twenty similarly accidental vehicular deaths had occurred in Brooklyn since 1989 without a single arrest several involving local Hasidim run down by blacks. The agitator's pressure led Charles Hynes, the Brooklyn district attorney, into convening a grand jury.

When the investigation of the accident did not produce a criminal indictment against Yosef Lifsh, Al Sharpton encouraged the Cato family to seek big-bucks damages in a civil suit against Lifsh (who had since fled to Israel for his own safety). Sharpton announced that he would personally serve papers on Yosef Lifsh in Israel. He bought tickets and hopped an El-Al flight on the weekend of Yom Kippur. At Ben Gurion Airport, a woman spotted Sharpton hailing a cab and yelled to him, "Go to hell! "I am in hell already," shot back. "I am in Israel."
The Aftermath
Sharpton abandoned the Caribbean people of Crown Heights as soon as the anti-Semitic violence had died down. His entire participation in the violence may have been a calculated effort to usurp Jesse Jackson as the leading spokesman for African-Americans. Jackson may have had his "Hymie-town" but Sharpton's incitement against those Jews who he perceived as having the political power that African Americans deserved, went much further than simply words like Jackson.

Sadly had Sharpton not exploited the death of Gavin Cato for his own "resume", what was by all accounts, a disorganized group of ruffians on the first night of the riot, might well have dissipated the morning after the accident.

The media portrayed the Crown Heights riot as two-sided promoting the myth that both blacks and Jews were equal in their violence. The violence was a one-sided rampage waged by some of the neighborhood's 180,000 strong black majority against a Jewish minority of 20,000.

Maybe the media continues to sugarcoat the riot because it was unprecedented in American history. For liberals it's impossible to perceive blacks as purveyors of bigotry they are forever in the role of victims of hate.








But that kind of killing is fine , according to Bobert and Greggie boy. It's not like Jews are real people, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:37 PM

Too bad the law and justice aren't synonymous.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM

Bobert,

You state:
"But there are folks here at Mudcat that are no better than the KKKers who go out and shoot innocent black people... That's pretty sad but apparently true...
"


Yes, but they are the ones who would let the prosecution violate the law, and who are asking for a lynching now that the trial has found Zimmerman not guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:23 PM

Greggie boy,


The Civil Rights Act of 1957 created the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Since then, Congress has reauthorized or extended the legislation creating the Commission several times; the last reauthorization was in 1994 by the Civil Rights Commission Amendments Act of 1994.
Established as an independent, bipartisan, fact-finding federal agency, our mission is to inform the development of national civil rights policy and enhance enforcement of federal civil rights laws. We pursue this mission by studying alleged deprivations of voting rights and alleged discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, age, disability, or national origin, or in the administration of justice. We play a vital role in advancing civil rights through objective and comprehensive investigation, research, and analysis on issues of fundamental concern to the federal government and the public.


http://www.usccr.gov/about/index.php


Commissioners
The United States Commission on Civil Rights is composed of eight Commissioners: four appointed by the President and four by Congress. Not more than four members shall at any one time be of the same political party.
The President also designates the Chairperson and Vice Chairperson from among the Commission's members with the concurrence of a majority of the Commission's members.
The Commissioners serve 6-year terms. No Senate confirmation is required. The President may remove a member of the Commission only for neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.




Six years.... Now Obama has appointed the chair and how many member so far?

But then, for you to call Obama the leader of a propaganda mill might be the only true thing you have posted here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:19 PM

Also do a search on Ms. Thernstrom, her antecedents and her other memberships. You might learn something you don't want to admit.

By the way, let me ask you again:

"Now, of course, had Martin been Jewish or Israeli, we'd be hearing a whole different story from ya, wouldn't we, Beardy? "

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

Bottom line with this case is that the fact that the cops and prosecutors didn't take this seriously poisoned the jury pool and that had more to do with the final outcome than anything that happened in the court room...

Like it has been observed... If a white kid had been offed by the black neighborhood watch volunteer there would have been immediate charges and a much different outcome...

Southern justice is what we have witnessed... No different from when the KKK shot the demonstrators in Greensboro and got away with it... Same thing that happened to Emmett Till...

But there are folks here at Mudcat that are no better than the KKKers who go out and shoot innocent black people... That's pretty sad but apparently true...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

Beardy, I don't give to shits about your historical anecdotes. Look up who funds those propaganda mills TODAY.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:14 PM

And Chicago murders have fuck-all to do with Martin/Zimmerman, Beardy. The heat gettin' to you?

And what's the source for this latest blogoshit? Or is it more BeardedHorseshit you made up yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:12 PM

Greggie boy-

"U.S. Commission on Civil Rights? The American Enterprise Institute?

Oh, please, Beardy - two bought and paid for Koch brothers propaganda mills."



The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is historically a bipartisan, independent commission of the U.S. federal government, created in 1957, that is charged with the responsibility for investigating, reporting on, and making recommendations concerning civil rights issues that face the nation.

The Commission is composed of eight Commissioners. Four are appointed by the President of the United States, two by the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and two by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.




The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an American think tank founded in 1938. Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[2] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:04 PM

Just to review:

Greggie boy is the one on Mudcat who stated that "black, and a Democrat" was the same to him as "dumb Ni**er"


And Bobert agrees with Greggie in all things...

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:00 PM

In the 20-day period of the George Zimmerman trial, four minors – three teens and a five-year-old boy - were gunned down in Chicago, according to Homicide Watch Chicago, a Chicago Sun-Times publication, which details every murder that takes place in the city.

On June 28, five-year-old Sterling Sims was killed in a double murder that also claimed the life of his mother, 31-year-old Chavonne Brown. Both were shot in their apartment, and police believe the motive was robbery.

On July 1, 16-year-old Antonio Fenner was gunned down on the sidewalk next to the body of a 32-year-old man who had gang ties. No arrests were made, and no suspects have been named. Fenner's mother believes her son was in the wrong place at the wrong time, because no one in her family knew the other victim or what Fenner's association was to him.

On July 3, 14-year-old Damani Henard was murdered outside a high school. His body was found next a bicycle.

On July 9, 15-year-old Ed Cooper was shot and killed while spending time with friends at the park. A gunman got out of a black van and began firing as the boys ran away. Cooper was shot in the street and continued running to a vacant lot where he died.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:57 PM

Easy, Beardy, you're hyperventilating & spraying spittle again.

U.S. Commission on Civil Rights? The American Enterprise Institute?

Oh, please, Beardy - two bought and paid for Koch brothers propaganda mills.

Just to review: Blogoshit and BeardedHorseshit rantings are not "facts".

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:44 PM

Greggie boy- I did look it up -

The same book shows you under Racist and Bobert under Idiot. Both of you are pictured as Damned Liars.




Facts are what happened, and NOT what scumsuckers like you and Bobert say could have happened but which are refuted by all the evidence.

Too bad you never bothered to present any valid input in this discussion- whatever point you wanted to make has been proven wrong by your continued lack of evidence, and your personal attacks.


And the court said Zimmerman was not a murderer- are you calling Obama a liar?

That makes you ( again) a proven racist scumbag liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

Editor's note: Abigail Thernstrom is the vice chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. She is the author, most recently, of "Voting Rights -- and Wrongs: The Elusive Quest for Racially Fair Elections."


(CNN) -- Every American can make their own judgment about whether justice was served by the verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial but one thing we should all recognize: President Obama's interference in a local law enforcement matter was unprecedented and inappropriate, and he comes away from the case looking badly tarnished by his poor judgment.
"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," the president said when asked about the case in the Rose Garden on March 23, 2012, after many had called for Zimmerman's arrest but several weeks before he was charged. "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."
In fact, if the president had a son, he would have been born to extraordinary privilege and raised with all the advantages of two very affluent and highly educated parents. He would have gone to tony private schools. His path in life would have been almost as dissimilar from Trayvon's as one could imagine.

Yes, Obama's hypothetical son and Trayvon would have shared the same brown skin color. Would that have made them interchangeable? Not unless all brown-skinned boys are the same. Does the president really believe that?
The president's remarks created a clear impression that he was motivated by one of two factors, and we can only guess as to which, or what combination of the two, was at work here. One possibility is that this is merely another manifestation of the president's well-known narcissism: No matter what the situation may be, it's all about him.
The other, more troubling possibility is that the president surrendered to his political instincts. He wants disadvantaged Americans to believe that he and his family are one of them -- despite their life of unparalleled privilege -- and he wanted the prosecutors, judge and jury to believe that this was a case about race where justice demanded a guilty verdict.

If that was his motivation -- and we cannot know, but reasonable people certainly may suspect -- then Obama should be ashamed of his effort to stir America's turbulent, dangerous racial waters. The president's role is not to be a racial agitator, and the mark of a great civil rights leader has been a determination to reject the temptations of that approach. And not that long ago -- in 2008, in Philadelphia -- candidate Obama distanced himself from such agitators.
People such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson see white racism as endemic and elevate what's wrong with America over all that is remarkably right. In his 2008 Philadelphia speech, Obama separated himself from activists of their ilk: the very people who today still hope to punish George Zimmerman.
On the campaign trail, Obama understood the sensibilities of the American people on these questions; in office, Obama seems to have lost that touch.
On Sunday, the president did once again separate himself from the voices of anger. "We are a nation of laws and the jury has spoken," he said. But if his Justice Department brings civil rights charges against Zimmerman, as the NAACP has urged and which it is reportedly still considering, the ugly racial politics of this prosecution will be undeniable.

Let us hope it never comes to that, for at that point a double tragedy will have occurred. Trayvon Martin will be dead, and our hopes for a president whose judgment is unaffected by his race will have been thoroughly and irreparably dashed.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:34 PM

Damn, Beardy, you mean that Zimmerman's parents didn't say on National TV that he was a worthless murdering piece of crap? Whyever not?

And that we should all feel sorry for poor, persecuted, hiding Zimmerman?

This exceeds even your usual level of blogoshit.

Try looking at the facts.

Which facts are those, Beardy? YOUR personal "facts"?

By the way, have you looked up "quisling" yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:30 PM

(CNN) -- One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman said she had "no doubt" he feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict.
The woman, who was identified just as Juror B37, spoke exclusively to CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday night. She is the first juror to speak publicly about the case.
She said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" the night he shot Martin, but that he didn't use "good judgment" in confronting the Florida teen.

"I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods, and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done," she said.

"But I think his heart was in the right place. It just went terribly wrong."
Juror: I felt sorry for Rachel Jeantel Juror: Zimmerman's heart in right place Juror B37: 'It's very emotional' for me
If anything, Zimmerman was guilty of not using "good judgment," the juror said.
"When he was in the car, and he had called 911, he shouldn't have gotten out of that car," she said.

She also said she believes Martin threw the first punch in the confrontation that followed.
"I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there. But Trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him ... and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him," she said.
Zimmerman felt his life was in danger before shooting Martin, and it was his voice that was heard screaming for help in 911 calls, the juror said she believes.
"He had a right to defend himself," she said. "If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him, or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."
Race perhaps simplest disagreement in post-trial CNN interviews

An initial vote was divided. Three of the jurors first voted Zimmerman was guilty, while three voted he was not guilty, she said. Juror B37 was among those who believed he was not guilty from the start.
"There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go," she said.
Jurors were not identified by name during the trial, which sparked a broad debate about gun laws and race in America.
The juror said she did not believe Zimmerman profiled Martin, who was African-American, because of the color of his skin.

She believes he thought Martin was suspicious because of the way he acted.
"Anybody would think anybody walking down the road, stopping and turning and looking -- if that's exactly what happened -- is suspicious," she said.
"I think all of us thought race did not play a role," the juror said . "We never had that discussion."

At one point during the interview, she grew emotional and her voice cracked. She said jurors cried after putting in their vote.
"It's a tragedy this happened. But it happened," the juror said.
"And I think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into. I think both of them could have walked away. It just didn't happen."



http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:59 AM

George Zimmerman immediately went back into hiding after being acquitted of murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, his parents told Barbara Walters in an exclusive interview with ABC News, adding that they haven't seen him since he left the courthouse.
The Zimmermans said that because of "an enormous amount of death threats," they, too, have remained in hiding and still don't feel safe enough to return to their home in Orlando, Fla.
Two days after a Florida jury found their 29-year-old son not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges in the death of Martin, 17, Zimmerman's parents, Robert Zimmerman Sr. and Gladys Zimmerman, sat down for their first television interview. They opened up about how their son's murder trial has affected their family and how he and they are struggling to cope with the aftermath.
"Under the circumstances, we have not been able to talk to him," Gladys Zimmerman told Walters. "To tell you the truth, we don't trust anything, not even the phones."
"We have had an enormous amount of death threats. George's legal counsel has had death threats, the police chief of Sanford, many people have had death threats," Robert Zimmerman said."'Everyone with Georgie's DNA should be killed' -- just every kind of horrible thing you can imagine."
George Zimmerman was accused of second-degree murder for shooting Martin on Feb. 26, 2012 inside a gated community in Sanford, Fla. While he admitted to shooting the unarmed teenager, Zimmerman maintained that Martin attacked him and he acted in self defense.
A jury made up of six women found Zimmerman not guilty of both second-degree murder and manslaughter charges Saturday after deliberating for more than 16 hours over two days.

But the family's celebration of George Zimmerman's new freedom has been short-lived. His parents said that their son has no job and no health insurance. Gladys Zimmerman said her son has been living off small monthly stipends from his legal defense fund.
"Even for us, we have not been living a normal life for the past months, it is hard," she said. "We have lost everything, everything -- the whole family, not only George. The whole family. We have lost everything."
When asked if her son could ever live a normal life again, Gladys Zimmerman said, "Only time will tell."
In the wake of Martin's death, the case quickly developed racial overtones when Sanford law enforcement declined to arrest Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic -- his father is white and his mother is originally from Peru. Trayvon Martin is black.
George Zimmerman was arrested nearly two months after the incident when the state appointed Angela Corey as a special prosecutor and she brought second-degree murder charges against him.
Outrage and protests have reignited across the country since the not-guilty verdict was announced, something George Zimmerman's mother said was "hurtful."
"This is America, and we went through all of this with the judicial system," Gladys Zimmerman said. "They wanted an arrest for my son. They got an arrest. Now lets, you know, find a verdict ... now they have a verdict. ... He went through the whole process they were pushing for, and now they are not happy with the verdict, and I pray. I pray for them, for God to touch their heart."

In talking about Zimmerman's character, his parents painted a portrait of a young, outgoing, philanthropic man who looked out for his neighbors, who would buy fast food gift certificates for homeless people, who took care of family members, and as someone who mentored two young black siblings on some weekends.
George Zimmerman is "absolutely not" a racist, they said.
"He's never been taught to be a racist," Robert Zimmerman said. "Color is the last thing to come to his mind."
"When George first saw Trayvon Martin he had no idea what color he was," he added. "He knew he was inside a gated community. He didn't recognize him as living there. It was raining. He was just casually walking very slowly. But George did not initial know what race a person was."
Robert Zimmerman said the case brought against his son had "nothing to do with the facts" and that law enforcement didn't want to pursue a case against George Zimmerman until a special prosecutor was appointed and it became "a political decision."
"I never thought that we would see so much hatred, and the hatred is not brought on by any racial incident," Robert Zimmerman said. "It was brought on by attorneys being totally untruthful, other people being involved, having a certain narrative, having a certain agenda, and making this situation race-based and a political issue."
When asked what they would say to Trayvon Martin's family now, Gladys Zimmerman said, "We are deeply sorry for this tragedy.
"We pray for Trayvon Martin to be in a better place," she said. "He is always in our prayers."


http://gma.yahoo.com/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc-001909456--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:53 AM

Richard: "He didn't want Zimmerman the "white Hispanic" prosecuted"

post : 1. Serino was the one who recommended that Zimmerman be tried for manslaughter.



Try looking at the facts.

I know they don't give the results you want, but they are a better reflection of reaity than your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:11 AM

2. Serino was a PROSECUTION witness.

Oh, and Beardy: look up the word "quisling", OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:09 AM

Hey, Berardy, got any quotes from Dershowitz on how fucked up the defense team's antics were -and still are - that you'd care to share?

Or didn't anyone ask him about that?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:48 AM

Richard,



1. Serino was the one who recommended that Zimmerman be tried for manslaughter.

2. Serino was a PROSECUTION witness.







Dershowitz: Zimmerman Special Prosecutor Angela Corey Should Be Disbarred


ALAN DERSHOWITZ: Right, it is. She submitted an affidavit that was, if not perjurious, completely misleading. She violated all kinds of rules of the profession, and her conduct bordered on criminal conduct. She, by the way, has a horrible reputation in Florida. She's known for overcharging, she's known for being highly political. And in this case, of course she overcharged. Halfway through the trial she realized she wasn't going to get a second degree murder verdict, so she asked for a compromised verdict, for manslaughter. And then, she went even further and said that she was going to charge him with child abuse and felony murder. That was such a stretch that it goes beyond anything professionally responsible. She was among the most irresponsible prosecutors I've seen in 50 years of litigating cases, and believe me, I've seen good prosecutors, bad prosecutors, but rarely have I seen one as bad as this prosecutor, [Angela] Cory. (Huckabee, July 14, 2013)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:39 AM

Obvs. Serino was the quisling who set the prosecution up to fail. No? He didn't want Zimmerman the "white Hispanic" prosecuted and he sabotaged the prosecution when his hand was forced.   

Oh, what sort of name is "Serino"?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 09:13 AM

Just more blogoshit, Beardy - even says so in the URL. And Farcebook.
Wow- gotta be true.

And even if it is, so what? It comes as s surprise to you that this sort of incident might follow?

Who ya gonna cut & paste next? Rush? Glenn?

Now, of course, had Martin been Jewish or Israeli, we'd be hearing a whole different story from ya, wouldn't we, Beardy?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:40 AM

Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."
A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects' reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments.
Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail.
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In a post that drew nearly 50 comments on Facebook, real estate agent Christina Dudley said she was walking to her car just before 9 p.m. when she saw several young black males and two black females chasing a 37-year-old Hispanic man west on North Linwood Avenue past East Fairmont Avenue.
"One of the boys had a handgun out and it was pointed at the back of him," Dudley said in an interview.
They caught up to the man at the corner of Fairmount and N. Streeper Street, and the male with the gun beat the victim with what appeared to be his gun while others kicked and stomped him, Dudley said.
"They were just yelling and calling him names as they ran after him, but once they were hitting him and after that they started yelling, "This is for Trayvon, [expletive]," said Dudley, who heard the chant repeated multiple times.
Dudley and a woman walking her dog across the street told the group to stop and warned that they were calling 911. The group scattered before police arrived. Police have no arrests or named suspects.
Using a translator, police spoke to the victim, who knows some English, according to the police report. The victim told officers that he was standing in the intersection of Fairmont and N. Potomac Street when a group of five black males first approached him.
He described all of the males as between 16 and 18 and told police a 6-foot suspect with a black "stretchy" shirt and mohawk told him, "What's up, [expletive]." When the victim raised his phone to call 911, the suspect raised his shirt and flashed a silver handgun in his waistband.
The victim turned and ran before he was caught in the 2800 block of Fairmont and was beaten, police said. He sustained abrasions to his elbows and forearms but refused medical attention.
Police listed all of the suspects involved as black males. Three were "skinny" while one was described as overweight.
Dudley, who lives in the neighborhood, said she worries about her Hispanic neighbors and said she and other residents were looking for ways to warn them of the incident beyond Facebook. Patterson Park has one of the city's highest concentration of Latinos and is home to the city's annual Latino Fest.
Zimmerman, who is of Hispanic descent, had been charged with killing Trayvon Martin in an altercation that drew national concerns about racial profiling. He was found not guilty of all charges.
"Everyone in the neighborhood is well aware of the situation, but my concern is that we have a very large Hispanic population and many of them might not have Internet connection or they aren't on that page," Dudley said. "So my concern is trying to get the word out to them."


Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story#ixzz2ZDBPRMed

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:34 AM

"From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:55 PM
...
Stronger remedies than paregoric and/or duct tape obviously in order."


What, you and your racist friends are going to come burn a cross on my lawn??


This sounds a lot like a threat. Too bad you are one of the "protected and privileged Ones" that are exempt from the Mudcat rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:30 AM

Fucking asshole!

"
You forgot to mention , Beardy, that your latest piece of blogoshit opinion is by Cal Thomas, well known TeaPublican Conservative schill.
"

I did put on my post:

Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2013/07/15/4797984/cal-thomas-zimmerman-verdict-and.html#storylink=cpy



YOU forgot to mention that you call people who are "black, and a Democrat" "dumb ni**ers",

And that Bobert supports you in this, you racist lying scumbag.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:27 AM

Don T

Too bad you can't follow the facts. You are showing your obvious racism here.

"Given that Serino ddidn't want to prosecute Zimmerman, Hell! He didn't want to investigate him, he just wanrted to release him and forget the whole thing, just how much credence should have been given to pro Zimmerman testimony from this half baked imitation of a cop?"



1. Serino was the one who recommended that Zimmerman be tried for manslaughter.

2. Serino was a PROSECUTION witness.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:23 AM

You forgot to mention , Beardy, that your latest piece of blogoshit opinion is by Cal Thomas, well known TeaPublican Conservative schill.

Oh, and your link doesn't work. As usual.