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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Murray MacLeod Date: 23 Mar 04 - 07:30 PM Thank you Kevin for providing the link to the previous thread. Since this thread here has taken on a life of its own I feel justified in copying and pasting the initial post from that previous thread. Subject: English National Anthem From: Murray MacLeod - PM Date: 08 Mar 01 - 08:18 AM Since the thread on alternative American anthems created such a response, let's see if we can do something similar for the British Isles. I have long been of the opinion that Andy M Stewart's "Rambling Rover" should be the National Anthem of Scotland, but in the (unlikely) event of total independence for the Celtic countries, England is going to need a new National Anthem as well. I propose Derek Brimstone's stirring song should be adopted I'm a fine young Englishman, And I do the best I can I try to be a credit to the nation I don't ask for much at all Just to piss my wages up a wall And win the Duke of Edinburgh Award for fornication Now the English are the best An example to the rest They all should get down on their knees and thank us The Irish are a pest Al except for Georgie Best And the Scots and the Welsh are a bunch of wankers. These are Derek's omly two verses. Some years ago I took the liberty, with his permission, of composing a middle verse which goes like this: You can see me on the street In Benidorm or in Lloret As out of the pub at 5 a.m. I stagger I may act the randy pup But I can never get it up After drinking sixteen pints of Carlsberg lager I feel this song encapsulates the spirit of the modern Englishman in a way which "God Save the Queen" somehow fails to do ................... Murray |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Mar 04 - 07:02 AM |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Gareth Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:53 PM Mmmm ! - As a Taffy - Swelsh version, who used to sing "Swing Low Sweet Charriot" at the Rugby Club, (With the actions) that is untill those ponces at Twickenham hijacked a perfectly good bawdy song, my thoughts on a Saxon Anthem might be a little prejudiced But given the history of the English - why not try this Clixk 'Ere It describes all the ledgedary English attributes from Hypocracy, Naval Domination, Bestiality, Child "Abuse", Masterbation, Flagelation etc. Gareth - Ducking and running for the safety of the Sheep Fold ! A son of Ap Morgan ! |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:22 PM But I'd still vote for Yellow Submarine... |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Joe_F Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:15 PM "I see that Mr Bernard Shaw, among others, wants to rewrite the second verse of the National Anthem. Mr Shaw's retains references to God and the King, but is vaguely internationalist in sentiment. This seems to me ridiculous. Not to have a national anthem would be logical. But if you do have one, its function must necessarily be to point out that we are Good and our enemies are Bad. Besides, Mr Shaw wants to cut out the only worth-while lines the anthem contains. All the brass instruments and big drums in the world cannot turn "God Save the King" into a good tune, but on the very rare occasions when it is sung in full it does spring to life in the two lines: Counfound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks! And, in fact, I had always imagined that the second verse is habitually left out because of a vague suspicion on the part of the Tories that these lines refer to themselves." -- George Orwell (December 1943) I myself also admire the lines "May she defend our laws,..." That is to say, "Please, God, keep her from harm, and also, please, God, make her mind her business." How very constitutional! |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: GUEST,The Walrus (too bloody lazy to reset the coo Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:07 PM TamthebamfraeScotland, One quick point about GStQ, You got the verses out of order, the 'General Wade' verse is somewhere about verse 5 or 6, and as most people don't even remember verse 2, it's more often forgotten than not - Anyway, as the original first verse was completely re-written in 1827, it seems likely that that verse can be officially, as well as practically, dropped without worry. Walrus |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Fergie Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:06 PM Might I suggest "God Bless England" written by Peadar Kearney, it is in the D.T. (still have not got the hang of those blue clicky things) Fergus |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Strupag Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:18 PM "Personally as a Scot" "I guess we Americans" Boy, Celtic Bard, you have and identity problem! |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:14 PM So, Roughyed, something like: "...save the..." Seems a bit sparse. A much jollier song, with the same basic theme as the present one, was the Cavalier drinking song: Here's a health unto his Majesty, With a fal la la la la la la, Confusion to his enemies, With a fal lal la la la la la la. And he that will not drink his health, I wish him neither wit nor wealth, Nor but a rope to hang himself. With a fal lal la la la la la la la la, With a fal lal la la la la la. |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Roughyed Date: 14 Mar 04 - 05:04 PM It certainly needs changing. The current dirge was described by someone I can't remember as a hymn to someone who doesn't exist to someone who shouldn't exist. As we appear to have been recently established as the least religious country on earth (hooray), and there is a healthy minority of English republicans, we have been left with a national anthem that actually alienates the majority of the population if they care to listen to the words. On second thoughts, I think that's so English that maybe we should keep it.... |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 14 Mar 04 - 03:03 AM Seems rather odd to suggest, as an 'English' Anthem, a song which has as its title the name of a city in the Middle-East which is the seat of a tyrannical and oppressive regime. It would have to be renamed to something more suitable - but Scunthorpe or 'Ull don't have the same ring do they? Johnny :0) |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Johnny in OKC Date: 14 Mar 04 - 12:05 AM On second thought, why don't they just leave "God" out of it altogether? Johnny in OKC |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Johnny in OKC Date: 13 Mar 04 - 11:55 PM Tamthebam, I hope they change it to "King" when the king takes over. I think some of you could write some patriotic words to the tune of "Last of the Summer Wine". Probably everyone in the world recognizes it. Love, Johnny |
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Subject: english translation of national anthem of england From: GUEST,direct-x Date: 13 Mar 04 - 07:57 PM |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jun 03 - 10:42 AM I'm agreed that Britain is not a country, it's an island containing a number of countries. But as for England, I think it's high time we got back to the little countries of the Heptarchy. But "the thinking behind it" in referance to a tune? I'm bewildered by what that can mean, more especially in relation to the one used for Jerusalem, which is tranquil and encouraging rather then in any way boastful. Now, the tune of Land of Hope and Glory, maybe that does match it's title, "Pomp and Circumstance" - though in fact Elgar didn't write it with the words of Ho eand Glory in mind, and he loathed having it used for them. |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: PrincePhilip Date: 27 Jun 03 - 09:20 AM Stevethesqueeze, Surely it is the arbitary concept of 'the nation' that has much to answer for! Most national boundaries have been drawn in blood at some point, and that is the blood of working people, not the land, factory etc owners. The concept of nations is divisive and serves to protect the interests of the owning class and is used to try and make us identify with them. It is the concept of the nation, be it 'the area formerly known as southeast England!?!', England, United Kingdom, Europe or whatever, obscures the fact the most people in the world have to sell their labour to get money to buy the things which they and other people create which are owned by a small minority of property owners who live off the profits of selling the fruits of that labour. Because I know this, I don't care what state I live in or who runs it, I want to end this social division, it's not my country, it's owned by a tiny minority of rich property owners, it's their country, I just work here. So forget the national anthem, let's have an international anthem, the Internationale (original words by Eugene Pottier (Paris 1871) and music by Pierre Degeyter (1888)) has been translated into many different languages. The song calls for the overthrow of the propertied class who send us to fight and die for the expansion or protection of their wealth and for the human race to unite to for ownership in common. Philip PS I find 'The Internationale' is a bit aggressive in places, but you can fit the words to Led Zeppelin's 'Whole Lotta Love'. |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Steve Parkes Date: 27 Jun 03 - 08:50 AM If poor old William Blake were still alive, he'd turn in his grave at the idea of using Jerusalem as the national anthem! I'm sure he wouldn't approve of the tune or the thinking behind it: Victorian (or was it Edwardian?) imperialism at its worst. In fact, I'm all for it, as long as we don't have to confuse nationalism with patriotitsm by taking it seriously. Someone else can explain all that Satanic mills stuff, please! Steve |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: stevethesqueeze Date: 27 Jun 03 - 07:07 AM I have tried to resit joining in this thread as best as I can but can't resist any longer. Without any doubt at all in my mind Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England are four seperate, countries. they should be treated as such. their histories are intertwined and complicated to say the least, but they are seperate. the arbitary concept of Britain has much to answer for and many of the bad things that have happened in these islands have more to do with this than anyhting else. Most residents of wales (where i live now), Scotland (where I have lived) and Ireland (where I have a little farm) learned many years ago that there is no Britain. Only the people in England (where I was born) are deceived into still believing it exists. I of course forgot that Northern ireland loyalists also belive that there is a Britain, sorry. Its time for us to accept that we are English rather than British and to be proud of that. And I agree that jerusalem is the best anthem we have. One thing that really concerns me is the EU intention to turn England into a set of administraitive regions, north, south, south east etc rather than one nation. This regionalisation of the country is something that should be rejected. I honestly belive this is driven by a desire to break up the concept of England. have a look some of the things Billy Bragg has to say on the subject. stevethesqueeze |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jun 03 - 06:12 AM Here's a site with six verses of God Save the Queen/King; plus an extra one from Canada. And it links to a page with seven verses; plus numerous versions in Chennel Island French. I think they seem to have started using this fourth verse at State Occasions, as second verse in a two verse version, which seems a friendly idea - Not in this land alone, But be God's mercies known, From shore to shore! Lord make the nations see, That men should brothers be, And form one family, The wide world over. |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: ooh-aah Date: 27 Jun 03 - 05:29 AM No, what upset him and his mates was that he was a Protestant, and they were Catholics. Shades of Northern Ireland except we English (officially) gave up killing people for their religious views in the early 1700s. I agree that 'Jerusalam' is the best anthem for England, and I say that despite being an atheistical Pagan. The thing can easily be viewed as symbolic, with 'Jerusalem' seen as a metaphor for the tricky and particularly English blend of social justice, respect for tradition, veneration of the environment and a balanced pride in our incredible achievements that we should be attempting to achieve. |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: The Barden of England Date: 26 Jun 03 - 05:39 AM Ah - - Victoria !! Perhaps the English National Anthem should be 'Knees up mother Brown' after her alleged dalliances in the aforementioned Scotland. By the way, didn't the English get James VI from Scotland which upset a certain Guido Fawkes? |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Steve Parkes Date: 26 Jun 03 - 03:17 AM I think that assasin's blow verse may have been added after the attempted shooting of Victoria. Steve |
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Subject: RE: English National Anthem From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 Jun 03 - 11:25 PM Reviving a long-dead discussion can lead to all manner of misunderstandings, but, since this particular one has for no evidently good reason beyond whim been dragged back out of the grave, I should just say that the "real" verses quoted long ago by Tam are some centuries old, and have not been part of the official anthem for the last couple of hundred years; objections based on that are therefore irrelevant unless somebody is really very desperate indeed to pick a fight on the smallest pretense. National anthems are usually crap, and the British (not English) one is no exception, though it has been copied by rather a lot of other countries as it's an easy tune with a convenient shape (a galliard, if you're interested in dance forms). Give me Jerusalem any time for preference, if we're talking about England, though I'd prefer something a bit more secular and radical; and for Scotland (the term "Celtic" is also irrelevant here, as both countries are racially indistinguishable in the most part) Hamish Henderson's Freedom Come All Ye. Flower of Scotland, though well-intentioned and undeniably very popular, has always struck me as about as powerful, and musically interesting, as All Things Bright and Beautiful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Jim Dixon Date: 25 Jun 03 - 07:47 PM The four verses that TamthebamfraeScotland posted above are the same ones that are in the DT, but in a different order. However, I found a site (Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) that contains a fifth verse:
From the assassins blow, God save the Queen! O'er her thine arm extend, For Britain's sake defend, Our mother, prince, and friend, God save the Queen!
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Joe_F Date: 25 Jun 03 - 06:48 PM Messrs Flanders & Swann, in _At the Drop of Another Hat_ lamented this lack at some length and submitted a proposal that began: The English, the English, the English are best. I wouldn't give twopence for all of the rest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Strupag Date: 25 Jun 03 - 06:24 PM After the recent conduct of our leaders despite the good efforts of Scots, English, and Welsh folk, I reckon the new English national anthem should be, with out a doubt, "America My America" or why not "Your Cheatin Heart" |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: LadyJean Date: 24 Jun 03 - 11:11 PM My tabby cat looked like a small, furry, queen Victoria, so, when I brushed her, I sang, "God Save Our Gracious Cat, long live our noble cat. etc." When I mentioned this to a lady I knew, who came from Birmingham, she was quite shocked that I would parody her national anthem. Did any of you ladies attend Edgebascombe College, in Birmingham? I went to your sister school, in Pittsburgh. We used to sing "And did those feet in ancient times..." in the morning, in honor of our sisters across the pond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: GUEST,David Neale Date: 24 Jun 03 - 03:36 AM Noel Coward's "Mad Dogs and Englishmen" seems appropriate (especially as I'm Welsh), but I suppose the English ladies might object... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Steve Parkes Date: 19 Mar 01 - 05:11 AM In my bible it says "he who is without sin, let him ..". This saves you from having to grapple with the grammatical conundrum (something only elderly English teachers should attempt!) of whether to say "let him whom is .." or "let he who is ..". BTW, remember Woody's "This land is my land.."? Great country, great people, lousy politicians -- fill in the name ofyour country! Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Mar 01 - 09:22 PM Well, maybe it's thread drift,and some people don't like that, but here's a response to what Spot just wrote.
Thinking your country, or your wife or husband or your children is "best" seems to me a snare and a delusion. Loving them best is something different. Wanting to do the best for them is what matters.
Chesterton said it well, using what was at the time a pretty rundown London district, Pimlico, as his example - but he could as well have been talking about England or Ireland or America:
It is not enough for a man to disapprove of Pinmlico; in that case he will merely cut his throat or move to Chelsea. Nor certainly is it enough for a man to approve of Pimlico, which would be awful. The only way out of it seems to be for somebody to love Pimlico...as mothers love their children, arbitrarily, because it is theirs. When I hear people boasting about the greatness and splendour of their country, it seems to me that they are in fact despairing about making it the way it really should be, and whistling in the dark. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Dave Wynn Date: 18 Mar 01 - 09:02 PM Eric....I don't have a problem with each nation THINKING their country and people are the best...that's justifiable pride in your country....It's when a country goes to war to prove it the problems occur..and I agree with your comment's...let the nation that is without sin ....etc. Spot |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Mar 01 - 08:00 PM Here's a link to a page about Gerard Hoffnung, with all kinds of stuff, including cartoon poster (very likely of that concert that tickled catspaw's fancy) and photo of the great man -unfortunately he died far too young, as some people have the annoying habit of doing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Snuffy Date: 18 Mar 01 - 07:36 PM Eric, you'll find the words to My Hen Laid a Haddock in thi thread Lyr Req: Rule Britannia IN WELSH, which discusses a pnother potential British (not English) National Anthem. Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Micca Date: 18 Mar 01 - 04:12 PM Spaw, I think you are referring to the Late Great Gerard Hoffnungs music festivals, that were given in performance at the Royal Festival Hall19 the 1950s..I have a "re performance" set of CDs of some of the pieces made in 1988 as a sort of tribute to him...If you want more info, PM me |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Eric the Viking Date: 18 Mar 01 - 07:48 AM The Welsh have a National anthem!! It goes.. A hen laid a haddock on top of a tree.....etc Then the chorus Wales, Wales, bloody big fish in the sea etc. The programme "Not the 9.o Clock News" had..."Failed in Wales" to the tune of Men of Harlech. I have heard it sung at Rugby matches in Cardiff.. "A hen laid a haddock..." so it must be right. Any way, ask Anne Robinson!! I do think that when we (humans) get over this idea that our country is better than someone elses then things might improve for the whole world. Governments might give the orders to kill and invade etc, but humans cary them out, sometimes with great relish and enjoyment. What the English did to the Scots, The Irish did to the English, the British did to the Irish, the Welsh did to.... etc,before that the Romans, greeks, Phonecians, Egyptians. Not to mention the Germans,Chinese, Japanese, Dutch and Russians, Spanish, Americans, mexicans... just shows how small minded we really are, unless we learn a lesson from the past, we will still do these things-Kosovo, Croatia, Africa-it still goes on-thats, human beings for you!!! I'm not one for quoting the Bilbe, but,"let him without sin" etc often springs to mind. Oh well enough said.I think "Nowhere man" should be a world anthem. Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Mar 01 - 05:53 PM Sorry for invading this thread. I think the last time we invaded England was WWII. Uh, that's a joke guys.....you know, the pre-Normandy build up, the airfields...........Okay, its a bad joke, but I do have a question that this thread made me think of and I would dearly love some help with. A friend of mine had some wonderful recordings of an English Symphony Orchestra that was the "Spike Jones" of symphonic music. What made me think of them here is that on one live recording the played the intro to "God Save The Queen" and you can hear the audience standing up. They stopped at the end of the intro, leaving the audience standing and after a bit they begin to laugh realizing they have been had. This group did some brilliant pieces of original compositions including something written for two Hoover's in E Flat and a Floor Polisher in C. Also had a wonderful thing with the great hornist Dennis Brain playing on 24 foot of garden hose "with funnel." WHO ARE THEY???? I seem to recall the name may have begun with an M. M******** Symphony.......something. I've done occasional searches trying different things but can't come up with anything that strikes me as right. They were very funny. Sadly, my friend was a victim of a drunk driver fifteen years ago. Any ideas here on this??? Not worth a thread, but then again, maybe it is. Thought I might ask here on this one first though. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: The Celtic Bard Date: 17 Mar 01 - 05:28 PM Look guys I was just WONDERING! Boy! I guess I really underlined my ignorance, didn't I? Open mouth, insert foot. Sorry. As you can probably guess, I'm many many generations American and the only English in my family is many many generations back. Hey Sean! I guess we Americans tend to forget that we lost that war. Oh and if it makes you feel any better, I can't say anything bad about Canadians in this house because my mom was born and raised in Canada. We get some pretty stern looks when the rest of us American born citizens get a little too infatuated with ourselves. (Oh and by the way I think that the Canadian national anthem is really cool!) Rebecca <>< |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Mar 01 - 12:49 PM What will you do with your national anthem when you no longer have a queen? Singing "God Save the Queen" to a king would be kind of funny, wouldn't it? Well it's not that hard. When there's a king they sing God Save the King, and when it's a queen, it's God save the King. Which does have the virtue of simplicity. If it turned republic they could sing God Save the President, though it'd be a mouthful getting through the last line, with the extra syllables. I suppose that's why the Americans didn't use it, since they are clearly fond of the tune, what with My Country Tis of Thee.
Or if my suggestion of Yellow Submarine was considewred too radical, the compromise could be to sing God Save the Submarine...God Save the Sub.
But as for "why are you still worshipping a position that doesn't really have any power" - technically speaking if you're praying for someone you can't possibly be worshipping them, it's a logical contradiction.
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Mr Red Date: 17 Mar 01 - 12:15 PM The Celtic Bard I think God will save the King OK. We can keep a British Anthem (despite howls from Scots) and still have an English one. I like Steve Park's idea of a Staffordshire Anthem. I would have a go but it would turn out cynical at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: GUEST,Sean Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:33 AM Just popped in for the lyrics to "Barley Mow", and happened upon this thread. Despite the name, my birthplace is in England (parents wanted to p.o. the previous generation - not to mention "Dr. No" came out the year before). I just wanted to remind those interested that the US national anthem originates in a war they LOST - to Canada! Of course, we Canadians like to harp on that since the Americans beat us at hockey nowadays. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: TamthebamfraeScotland Date: 17 Mar 01 - 07:26 AM I'm not going to argue about who's a proud Scotsman and who is not. Just let us agree to disagree.
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: The Celtic Bard Date: 17 Mar 01 - 03:15 AM Guys as soon as you start bringing up the question of Scottish independence, it's going to get messy because everyone can drag a couple million skeletons out of the perverbial historical closet. Personally as a Scot, I would love to see my homeland free (heck! I'd love to see my homeland at all considering that I'm living halfway around the world in California). I think that someday it will happen. At least I hope that it will. I know that a lot of horrid stuff has happened and I've heard that the parliament is wrecking the country but shouting at each other and hating each other for things that were done centuries ago is not going to change the here and now. It's sad that Scotland is now occupied territory and it's sad that in the past England has hanged our heroes. But that's in the past and although it does shape the present and the future, it can't be changed. Ok, deep breath. That's good. Now on the actually topic of this thread. Personally I think that the British national anthem is kind of stupid and out-dated. Of course I think that the American one is too unsingable not to mention talks about an event that took place over 200 years ago. It's ok to make fun of other people's national anthems if you make fun of your own isn't it? I just have one question for all you British mudcatters out there: What will you do with your national anthem when you no longer have a queen? Singing "God Save the Queen" to a king would be kind of funny, wouldn't it? Plus, disregarding history and tradition, why are you still worshipping a postion that doesn't really have any power? Maybe it should be "God Save the Parliament." Anyway that's just my thoughts. Rebecca <>< |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Murray MacLeod Date: 16 Mar 01 - 08:19 PM Stevieribs, I assure you I am a proud Scot as well, but I have never felt the urge to join the "Here's tae us, wha's like us, damn few and they're a' deid " brigade, hence my somewhat sceptical approach to national anthems of any description. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Lanfranc Date: 16 Mar 01 - 08:15 PM I would support total independence for Scotland if the Scots would agree to forgo their right to send MPs to Westminster. I don't know what you're whinging about up there, it is we English who are under the domination of the bloody Picts! You can have Blair, Brown, Cook and the rest back as soon as you like! Otherwise, I will rewrite "Parcel of Rogues" from the English point of view, and submit that for consideration as the new English National Anthem!
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Dave Wynn Date: 16 Mar 01 - 07:25 PM Stevieribs...See you at Girvan Festival perhaps...we can share a drink and complain about politico's together... Spot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Mr Red Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:59 PM Murray MacLeod The Welsh have the Kipper Song - "We'll kipper a welcome in the hillside, we'll kipper welcome in the vales......."
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: TamthebamfraeScotland Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:58 PM Sorry for Shouting, however I thought that as a proud Scotsman, unlike some of my countrymen, I thought I might as well give a wee history lesson on Britain and British Politics. I'm glad that you spot are a proud English and so you should be, but please remeber I'm a proud Scotsman and I'm saying that all the people of England are guilty of these crimes, it's the people in Westminster the house of Commons that I don't like and not you. This may surprise you but I really do like England and the English people, It's what those b....... in the house of Commons have done to my country and now they're doing the same to yours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Murray MacLeod Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:59 AM I like "Yellow Submarine" too, McGrath. So now we have "Donald , Where's your troosers" for the Scots, and "Yellow Submarine" for the English. I can think of several alternative Irish national anthems, but damned if I can think of one for Wales. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Mar 01 - 08:37 PM "in the (unlikely) event of total independence for the Celtic countries"
Don't you believe it! (I just came in from a funeral trip to Ireland, and it's late at night, and I haven't even read the thread yet, and someone else may have said that already. But it jumped out at me.
Mind I disapprove of the term "Celtic countries" - Scotland and Ireland and even Wales are by no means exclusively "Celtic", even if you extend that from its proper sense of what language people speak to what language their ancestors spoke. Half the trouble in Ireland has stemmed from people thinking along those lines. But that's drifting the thread.
I'd vote for Yellow Submarine myself. Everyone knows it, it's easy to join in, and the words are highly appropriate and inclusive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: English National Anthem From: Dave Wynn Date: 15 Mar 01 - 07:55 PM Stevieribs, ....Please stop shouting..Loud doesn't mean right....Have your Scotland..keep it...I don't want it...Dig a great channel across from Carlisle to the east coast and tow it away. But please don't shout. I didn't fight in the uprisings of 1745 and didn't clear one solitary highland. I didn't bribe any of your coutrymen nor hang one from a gallows tree...I didn't burn any crofts or rape and pillage. It must have been someone else who did it. So stop shouting at me coz I am innocent. Or if the charge is just being an Englishman...then I'm guilty as charged and proud of it! Spot. |
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