BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:26 AM

now there is a very brave man, i hope he didn't get any comeback for this. so how can you argue with that dmr? the words of your'leader himself. are you going to try to justify it or are you well aware that you cannot? please please please give some response and not just spout your' usual, sidestepping crap

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: TheSnail
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:42 AM

BNP Exposed - The Secret Agent (BBC) Part 1

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:03 AM

And, having just re-read your latest post DMR, I really think you need to seek some sort of help.
One rarely encounters something so delusional outside a psychiatric ward or a Berlin bunker.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 May 09 - 04:58 AM

Whoa! And once again the pocket propagandist neatly sidesteps the questions put.
Even if DMR was promoting the Women's Institute, I think anyone would be entitled to be miffed if s/he so wilfully refused to answer questions.
So, come on DMR, prove to use that these accusations of racism, violence and criminality are 'lies'.
A fiver says you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 30 May 09 - 04:37 AM

Why so much anger,is it because we enter the last week of polling ?
We had a debate and some of you did not seem to accept defeat. The debate was pretty feisty,attacking the only party that has the best intentions of the British people at heart. In my opinion, the clear winner of the debate was the BNP. I feel my case was solid and strong on domestic issues.

One or two of you depended on supporters in the crowd, that says it all. There were a few times though, when you allowed your anger to get out of control. I think I understood your message,but the messenger needs to find a better delivery. Ranting never helps in a debate, I know there are those who praised the restraint shown by me. I think members will note the very subtle moments when I was able to take a certain member down a notch or two.


But believe me when I say, the British people won this debate, not just me.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 30 May 09 - 02:43 AM

The BNP is a vile bunch of racists,thugs and fascists.
It has only ever had two leaders.
Its founding leader was John Tyndall an open nazi who liked to parader around in full nazi uniform.He can be seen on "google images" in his nazi regalia under a portrait of his hero Adolph Hitler and in front of a huge swastika.He had six serious criminal convictions for violence and race hate crimes.
His successor, Nick Griffin, is an ex public schoolboy who has been involved in far right and racist politics for decades. He was a member of the thuggish National Front and has a 1998 conviction again for a race hate crime.He is a denier of the murder of 6 million in the war which he called the "holohoax".
But the BNP is stuffed with violent criminals at all levels...from the convicted bomb maker and violent thug Tony Lecomber [a senior aide to Griffin ] to the Swansea BNP member Robert McGlynn who was convicted three years ago of shouting racist obscenities and giving the Hitler salute to a passerby.
The BNP is the party of Law n order?I don't think so!
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 09 - 09:18 PM

Maybe zero value, but it has a growing appeal to larger numbers of people because nobody will do anything about runaway population growth and migration.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:38 PM

""Anyone would think the little Goebbels wannabe had something to hide.""

Yep!......He has.

The fact that his single brain cell can't handle questions AND answers.

And the three days a week when it's at the BNP laundry being washed, it can't handle either.

The pity of it is, NOTHING seems to stop the gob from producing inane drivel.

He,s truly entitled to FREE speech, as what he says has zero value.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:30 PM

question. why do we import and export so much of our resources?

would it be that bad if we kept local food for local people? i'm not saying that we stop importing stuff just cut down abit surely there is a better way!!!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,tuborg
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:54 PM

One country that did recover well from the last great depression was Germany as a matter of fact, actual economic fact, they fared better then any other country as the history books show.
Unlike Obama and Brown they used their own resources to rebuild the economy, thus recirculating the monies injected into said economy.
the US UK model for recession beating has the obvious flaws that it will suck in more imported goods, fuel another house price bubble and be bled dry by another surge in oil prices.
Many economists fear this as there is no more borrowing to be had after the current round. We would be left with the only option of pawning our own remaining natural resources.
China on the other hand has steadily been buying bonds and other countries national resources and will be well placed to emerge as the new world power.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:40 PM

"I have put my case across fairly"

What case?


Would you mind telling us where we can find this case?



Or perhaps cut and paste it?



There is no evidence of any pro BNP case on this thead.



Just a slightly weird repetetive BNP zombie breathing heavily down the phone.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:34 PM

"Best of British"

That would be my Grampy and he would never have voted for the BNP or any party like it. FYI and just to put that remark in perspective.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:23 PM

the barrage of easily-disproved lies
Well, DMR, disprove them, then.
Come on, or are you completely lacking in moral fibre?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:44 PM

The one thing we all have in common is we believe in the democratic process. I feel I have put my case across fairly and not called anyone names, or used swear words or posted lies.


Some just simply would not accept they lost the debate, their series of cut and paste articles against the BNP simply didn't hold water. You may note I did not respond to the barrage of easily-disproved lies against the British National Party. This is something which is almost unparalleled in any political debate ever held here.

The stories and lies some posted became too fantastic for any sane person to believe, the attempt to influence people with a barrage of lies is of concern to anyone who holds the democratic process dear such as I.

I don't attack your political views, a few of you launched a co-ordinated smear campaign against the BNP in an attempt to undermine the growing public support for this party.

As I am a reasonable person, I will not say anything nasty against any of you, even those who masquerade as voters in the coming elections.

Good night and the Best of British to you all.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:02 PM

"Rig, surely you mean 'population', not 'migration'? ...your remark is deplorable"

               Yes, in reality I do mean population growth is the larger problem. But places on the planet where population growth has been largely contained are being overrun by people from places where population growth has not been addressed in any manner.
                For the most part, it seems to me, this is a result of some unforgiving religion, but the result is the same.   The only immediate solution I can see is to make those folks stay home and deal with the problem. Once they bring things under control, normal migration could begin again.
                Further, it seems to me, you have to make a deplorable statement from time to time to get other people's attention.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:43 PM

I repeat,

Let people make their own reasoned choices when they vote, fully aware of the kind of 'people' they would be voting for if they vote BNP. I woundn't waste my breath trying to convonce the skinheads and racist thugs who support BNP to vote otherwise.

However, those with a modicum of intellegence I am doing everything in my power, along with all the other good people in this thread to make sure the truth of what BNP are about, not on the basis of their propaganda but o the basis of what they do and say when they think they are not under scrutiny and where they emerged from.

And by the way, don't even talk about facism until you learn what it wa s like for ordinary people to live under facist dictators like Franco, Pinochet, Salozar.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:28 PM

"In view of the reality that the most major threat to the survival of the planet is runaway human migration, maybe the BNP is just what the world needs." Rig

Rig, surely you mean 'population', not 'migration'?   Even if you were able to keep all immigration out of the US and other developed countries, that would not cure the planet's ills.

I simply fail to see why a human being born in one part of the world has less right to survive than a human being born in another part.

By the way, I think your remark is deplorable.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:24 PM

me thinks this Riginslinger is a pot stirrer...feeling a wee bit nervous are you Riginslinger...we're everywhere.we're everywhere...*LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:21 PM

In view of the reality that the most major threat to the survival of the planet is runaway human migration, maybe the BNP is just what the world needs.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 09 - 03:58 PM

"Clearly they are unable to defeat anyone in a democratic debate"

Well, DMR, no one will get the chance to defeat you, because you daren't even join any sort of debate here.

A typical cowardly Nazi - just like your hero Hitler, all gob and no fuckin' balls.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 May 09 - 03:09 PM

"The British National Party would probably make it into a parliament elected by proportional representation, too. It would shine a torch into the dirty little corner where the BNP defecate on our democracy, and that would be much more powerful than duffing them up in the street — which I'm also in favour of."

- Billy Bragg

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 29 May 09 - 02:17 PM

"I repeat, allow everyone the freedom to vote for the party of their choice."

I totally agree. Given the system of proportional representation in the EU parliament, the only way to stop this miniscule bunch of fruitcakes and hate merchants is by large numbers of people turning out and voting for whichever party they prefer; whether that preference be Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, Green, No2EU Yes to Democracy or whatever.

USE YOUR VOTE ON JUNE 4TH. DON'T LET THE BNP IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:57 PM

I repeat, allow everyone the freedom to vote for the party of their choice.

I find it fascinating how the other parties are nicking bits of BNP policy, making out as if they're doing something original, and then attacking the only party who had the guts to talk about issues long before they ever did?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:29 PM

So, DMR, a distinct lack of moral fibre there. What have you got to say for yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:14 PM

isn't it about ime we stopped trying to get answers from our friend?

i just cannot be bothered anymore, apart from to say that on the thread 'memorial' it just shows what we are arguing about. no veteran would ever back the bnp, thousands of people died to keep us safe from the likes of bnp and combat 18 who are trying to be like their hero hitler. i think that these peoles' brain are wired incorrectly and no amount of reasonable and educated disscussions will ever change their minds.
it is good fun though, i have to admit but we must never forget the cost to get us here.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Stu
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:52 AM

" Clearly they are unable to defeat anyone in a democratic debate."

Hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:47 AM

You know what DMR? I really don't care what you do. Democratic debate? You haven't a clue sunshine

I'm not your kind, DMR and I thank God daily that I'm not. I'm one of those sorts that the BNP wants to sling out of the UK, you know, an immigrant and non-white, and proud of it!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:41 AM

Rifleman I am very happy to hear you're a talented musician. It must be very rewarding to get paid for what you enjoy doing. I would call myself a a multi instrumentalist. I have played in a couple of folk groups, but not for a living !

I honestly feel the attacks on the BNP is an indication of the increasing desperation of opponents.I accept some of the above posts are from trolls and people trying to wind people up. Clearly they are unable to defeat anyone in a democratic debate.

The rising popularity of the BNP speaks volumes, the site's web rankings had broken through the 20,000 most popular site in the world mark, and 1.600 in the UK !

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:25 AM

Funny how the Daily Mail Reader won't answer any of the questions asked. Anyone would think the little Goebbels wannabe had something to hide. A bit sad, really, when someone comes along, trolling about how great their party is, and yet they're actually ashamed of some of the darker truths. More than sad, actually - pathetic and rather cowardly.
So, DMR, a distinct lack of moral fibre there. What have you got to say for yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:17 AM

Sorry. Delayed posting. My previous message about the resemblance between Nick Griffin and a puppet, referred to Emma B's posting; How the BNP would like to teach children. I wondered how long it would be before they reinvented Hitler Youth camps. What other kinds of camps are they planning to ressurect, I wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:13 AM

Note the distinct resemblance between Nick Griffin and that puppet.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:11 AM

"I see some trolling on the BNP website this morning too. Do not feed the trolls who sew discord and have no purpose in life but to antagnoise. Please ignore them, then the Trolls go back to their holes."

Pay attention to your own advice DMR

OH and...."but if you had any sense of reality you'd find something constructive to do....

I do. I'm a performing musician and I teach piano,arrangement and music history. In other words I work for a living.

And what is you actually do? I mean apart from practice political opportunism

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Stu
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:11 AM

"There doesn't seem to be any sort of overview to put it into context."

It's always been the way with the teaching of history in schools. It's why bizballs like the BNP can con those with a slightly shaky grasp of the history of our Islands into believing their flights of fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:53 AM

BBC news 6th April 2009

History will remain a "central part" of England's primary school curriculum, Children's Secretary Ed Balls has said.

The idea children would learn to use Twitter and social networking sites at the expense of the Victorians and the Tudors was "just complete nonsense". ...

"Children will be taught the broad chronology of major events in Britain and the wider world - from ancient civilisations through the Romans, the War of the Roses, the industrial revolution and the world wars to the modern day."

What Cameron actually said...

"We should be proud of what we have achieved as a country. Teaching people about the British Empire does not mean covering up the bad things that happened.
It means having an honest explanation about the good and the bad"

How the BNP would like to teach children

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:45 AM

Possibly it's the way history is taught nowadays. My daughter learnt about the Romans and about the Tudors as topics. There doesn't seem to be any sort of overview to put it into context.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:36 AM

Look up Key Stage 1,2 and 3,4 History - which refers to history related to cummunities, Britain, Europe and the Rest of the World.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:29 AM

"The lady questioner later reported to our correspondent that she had expected Mr Cameron to express his opposition to the non-teaching of British history in schools,"

er ok ...

Will people join me in expressing their opposition to the building of a 100 mile high penis on the roof of buckingham palace?

No?

Why not?

Because it is a figment of my imagination?

Like the idea that Bitish history isn't taught in our schools is a figment of the BNP's imagination?

White supremacist purity indeed ....



... a Pigment of the imagination!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:57 AM

A BNP candidate in the local elections wants to withdraw because she doesn't want people thinking she is racist...

Don't vote for me, says BNP candidate

Doesn't say much for the selection perocess, or the calibre of selected candidates!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Stu
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:48 AM

Yawn.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:40 AM

I see some trolling on the BNP website this morning too. Do not feed the trolls who sew discord and have no purpose in life but to antagnoise. Please ignore them, then the Trolls go back to their holes.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:43 AM

QED

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:06 AM

Some BNP are still not 'on message'

'Police were called to Eltham High Street when a black man was attacked by two white thugs said to be 'defending' the British National Party.

Michael Coulston, 43, from Lewisham, saw the argument start while he was handing out flyers urging shoppers not to vote for the BNP at the European elections.

He said: "A couple of guys kept walking past and shouting stuff which defended the BNP. They said the BNP acts to protect the British people.

"But then a black guy shouted out that he was British too. An argument started and then the two white men started punching and kicking him."

Officers from Greenwich police were called at 1.22pm but the attackers fled before they arrived.'

Local news report

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:51 AM

"DMR is simply a propagandist"

Possibly, Jack. More likely he's just a troll, a 'Windsor-Knot' kind of character (maybe one and the same) who achieves what little sexual pleasure he's capable of by anonymously trying to wind normal people up.

His aim isn't to engage in discussion, just to piss people off - hence the drivel he posts, and the complete lack of responses to any of the questions that have been directed towards him.

Best to ignore him.

I say 'he' and 'him' - might be 'she' or 'her'? Or 'it'?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:48 AM

An old soldier told Tory leader David Cameron yesterday he was a disgrace to British politics and I agree. Georgie Johnston told Cameron he was deeply offended as was all the World War II veterans who support the British National Party at his remarks about the party. Georgie Johnson is a D-Day veteran and long time activist and former candidate for the party.

Reacting to the pathetic outburst against the BNP made by Mr Cameron yesterday, Mr Johnson, who wears his medals proudly, said it was a "gross, ignorant and childish insult which showed a total lack of moral and intellectual integrity to call people like myself who fought the Nazis, by that name," Mr Johnson said.

Mr Johnson said that he and the many other World War II veterans (such as the Royal Air Force's Doug Tidy) were "utterly disgusted" at the Conservative Party leader stooping to such outright lies to attack another party.

"We know that in the cut and thrust of politics it is normal to point out flaws in other parties, but it is completely out of bounds to lie so nakedly. I am sure that the voting public will see Mr Cameron's childish outburst for what it is, and ignore it and his party."

At the same meeting where Mr Cameron made his outburst, he was questioned by two members of the public about policy - and not surprisingly, refused to answer either.

The first question was from a gentleman who asked if the BNP "did not have a point" about immigration. Instead of trying to explain his party's immigration policy, Mr Cameron flew into his childish little rant against the BNP.

Another questioner, a lady, expressed to Mr Cameron her concern that schoolchildren are no longer taught British history.

Instead of answering the question, Mr Cameron dodged the issue, remarking only that it was necessary to "get away from narrative history." The Tory leader made no attempt to answer this valid and important question, as might be expected from someone who is supposedly Leader of the Opposition.

The lady questioner later reported to our correspondent that she had expected Mr Cameron to express his opposition to the non-teaching of British history in schools, and that he would take the opportunity to explain his education policy.

"He did no such thing," the lady said. "I went to the meeting as a Tory, but after that display, I will now be voting BNP. At least you get direct, straight answers on their policy positions."

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:26 AM

""When was the last time you sat down with a member of the BNP and listened to the truth ?""

You don't sit down with the BNP to learn THEIR truth. You lie down while they beat it into you with boots and baseball bats..

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Stu
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:25 AM

DMR is simply a propagandist, he hasn't addressed a single question put to him and keep coming out with the same tired party cliches he professes to despise. As he won't engage in direct political debate with anyone here I think it's safe to assume he's either a) Incapable of arguing a point coherently without recourse to the usual hackneyed spiel typical of party drones, or b) Deep down he knows he's very wrong and is incapable of defending his political viewpoint.

So once again DMR: Did the Holocaust happen?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 May 09 - 03:55 AM

"Sat down with a BNP memebr and listen to the truth" ????

Do you mean there us a BNP member who would actually tell the truth????

I haven't seen one single honest statement, only carefully rehearsed rhetoric. I haven't seen a single response to allegations of racist and neo-nazi statements and behaviour, even to public record extracts, BNP originated documents and recorded video footage.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:58 AM

PS

Five members of my family are Native North Americans. They'd piss on my grave if I ever supported folks like the BNP, and I wouldn't blame 'em. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:56 AM

Best of British.

That would be my grandfather. he loved England, the Royal Union and The King/Queen of the day. He was gassed in the War to End All Wars and he survived that. Just so you know what 'Best of British' really means. That was him. AND, he was of such character that he would NEVER support the BNP or its aims.

I do believe the BNP, and that's why, given the opportunity, they would never get my vote.

As for DGR stalking me, I don't think so. He believes what he's saying. I hope he's not aware of the racist side of the BNP agenda. Hard to see how he can't be, but I've been surprised before this.

Years ago I had swastikas painted (water base paint) on the sides of the house I was living in. I let it be known that the people who did it had a day to remove them or this little puppy was gonna lose his marbles for a while and deal out a little this and that to the folks who did it. The swastikas did get removed. I don't think that DMR supports that kinda shit even if the BNP does. IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: meself
Date: 28 May 09 - 11:05 PM

No doubt I am a little worse for wear at this point in my life. Anyway, I don't understand what it is that is supposed to be "like the American Irish during the 1970's." Apparently our old pal Rig doesn't either. Please enlighten us, oh wise one.