BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:22 AM

We cross-posted. I didn't realise how upset you were. Lizzie, you clearly do want to make a difference - you're just not sure how to go about it. Am I right?

I don't always agree with you on everything - disagree on most things, in fact - but I can't deny your passion. What about joining a local action group of some sort? It's easier than trying to storm the barracades all on your own...

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:36 AM

You are only part right.

I KNOW how to go about it, I just can't get through 'the system'.....but I will, somehow.

There is only me to storm the barracades, that's the whole point.

People took my voice away on the BBC. The BBC told me to NOT talk about Social Issues, but I see my country falling apart BECAUSE *nobody* is now permitted TO talk about those very issues in public places!

WHY did the BBC do that? Mel, are you reading this?

What the fuck did you all think I was trying to do, when I was trying so desperately to get Show of Hands songs, words OUT THERE????

Did you think I was doing it because I was slobbering all over their photos, as you all tried to make out?????

Or did you really NOT see that I was talking about the integrity, the power within their songs to get such a vital message OUT, and a message that millions would have heard, via the BBC..

YEESH!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:52 AM

He gets his friends to contact me via here or Myspace and we take it from there.

Confess Lizzie, you don't belong to a trade union do you?

What I will do is point some invite some trade union friends towards your writings on a whole variety of subjects and see what they say.

Having read what you write I am sure they will contact you. Of course I can't guarantee anything they might say. I have to tell you they may not all see it your way.

There is only me to storm the barracades, that's the whole point.

Nope lots of us storm barricades. But we do it en masse where appropriate. Sometimes you need a leg over.

And I am perfectly happy to organise this over Christmas too, because my country and the Crooks who are running it, mean more to me than some arsed up celebration for a huge piss up, instead of a quiet contemplation about the Son of God and all he represented....

Nope Lizzie, to me Xmas marks the move from the nights getting darker to the nights getting lighter.

We celebrate this in the traditional way of northern Europeans with an arsed up celebration - and a huge pissup. Fireworks, a bonfire, and overeating. We don't have quiet contemplation about the Son of God because we don't believe in God. The rest follows. I am far too busy contemplating pleasures of the flesh to organise the revolution this Xmas.

Later perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:58 AM

Well, I suppose this issue has at least replaced the championing of poor old undervalued Eddi Reader so it has achieved some good:-)

And, Tug, yes I know that equaly fair does not necessarily equate to equal percentages. You know that. Lizzie knows that but has difficulty putting it across. I was trying to help. To be a paper tiger you need to be able to prepare and present a cohesive and convincing argument. Something that Lizzie has not done so far.

Maybe I can help a little more. Revolutionary politics is a tricky game. We cannot all be Vladimir Lenin or Che Guevara but we should, at very least, be able to inspire others to action and be prepared to join that action as and when it happens. That is not going to happen through a music based web site. It is not going to happen with poorly draughted and thought out ideology. It is not going to happen by passion alone. Get the foundations right and you can then start to build.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 09:06 AM

Oh, Lizzie.

You know, lots of people listen to Show of Hands. You were never going to change the world by ranting about a folkie band on a folkie messageboard. If you genuinely want to make a difference, you need to get away from the computer screen and take real life action.

Although your logic utterly eludes me at times, it's clear that you're an intelligent woman. You are smart enough to know that there are organisations - political, voluntary, etc - who are crying out for impassioned and dedicated people (like you?) to get involved and make a real difference.

Ranting on a messageboard - well, that's all it is, whether it's here or on the BBC. Sound any fury, signifying nothing. But getting on with MAKING CHANGE HAPPEN isn't always about indulging your anger with a tantrum, or being a public champion, or being in the media spotlight - sometimes it's about stuffing envelopes or putting stuff through people's doors. Not preaching to the converted.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 10:15 AM

"And, Tug, yes I know that equaly fair does not necessarily equate to equal percentages. You know that. Lizzie knows that but has difficulty putting it across. I was trying to help."

Please, don't patronize me. I do not have difficulty in getting my point across at all. I just do not write in the way you wish me to write.

Tough.

I have written more words which have incensed/inspired/infuriated more people than you've had hot dinners, David.

I get my point across very clearly...to those who choose to see.

Thank you.



I gave up 'stuffing envelopes' the day I heard Show of Hands, because they gave me my voice. No-one has (or had) the right to take that away from me...and now, thanks to Bruce, who did more than any other person to give me my voice back, and Joe for listening to him, I have my voice back.

BBC TVs 'Spotlight' (local news) programme have just rung to say they're sending someone round tomorrow to interview me. I expect they'll only use the quiet bits again, but never mind, because it inspired a few people last time round, so hopefully, it'll inspire a few people this time too.

And if anyone from South West Water dares to tell me that I should be really pleased to be paying over £500 a year for water, and that is on the Watersure Help Scheme they do (!!!) PURELY because I live in Devon by some of the most beautiful coastline, I'll have their guts for garters.....because we should all be paying exactly the same rate for our water bills nationally.

I need to get that idea out...that we need to bring a National Scale back for water bills....

Private companies work for profit...and those at the top make big salaries, because we...at the bottom, are paying them, whilst lying awake at night worrying how the hell we're going to pay those bills.

"Is there anything left in England that's not for sale?" (taken from Cutthroats Crooks and Conmen' by Steve Knightley)

Oh, and could someone please post the lyrics to that song, if they have them, as I've not a clue where my CDs are at the moment, probably up in the attic along with loads of other boxes still to be unpacked.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 10:17 AM

I remember, and I have to admit that this is a bit vague, we had a consultant at a local hospital. When he heard that it was going to be closed he started to scream and shout and, if I remember correctly and I'm open to correction on this, he not only stirred up enough local feeling that the hospital remained open, when it came to elections he became the local MP, because the local people were so impressed they voted for him and not the usual candidates.

Now that shows that one person on their own can make a hugh difference, but as Ruth says, you have to get out there and make yourself known and your voice heard, not sit tapping away on a keyboard.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 10:24 AM

Lizzie Cornish MP!

Hmmm, that has a certain ring to it doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 10:35 AM

"I need to get that idea out..."

Hmmm...see, I fear that's what this is all about, Lizzie...YOUR perspective, YOUR voice. You. Alone. Self-aggrandisement. That's why, despite the myriad organisations that might need your willing hands and mind, you prefer to rant on Mudcat about the world's injustices, and look for opportunities to be perceived as this wonderful, one-woman crusade.

You know, we had a meeting last week in Sidmouth. It was a call for volunteers to help us at key times in our promotional cycle to distribute posters, leaflets, and undertake other promotional activity - yes, even stuffing envelopes. In fact, there has always been a dedicated group of people there that helps with these activities at key times of the year. Now, I know that you don't live in Sidmouth any more, but in those years that you did and your husband was on the committee, just out out of interest, did you do any of this? You have claimed in the past that your acres of words on the internet somehow helped the festival, but did you actually ever get out and do that simplest of activities, dropping off leaflets and stuffing envelopes? Or had you already given up stuffing envelopes at that stage?

I'm happy to say that I haven't. You do the jobs that need to be done - no matter how mundane - because someone has to.

Again, purely out of interest: have you contacted anyone in the local folk scene about running your festival? Have you checked to see whether there's anything already going on that you could help with, or to find out if there's anyone with knowledge and expereicne of events who might be able to help you get it off the ground? Or is this another of your one-woman crusades that ultimately is really just about attention-seeking, and not putting in the hard graft to make something happen?

See, in this world there are talkers and there are doers. Which side are you on?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Emma B
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:23 AM

Lizzie, I presume from your obvious deep passion about the public sector employees in the Republic of Ireland and other workers you have championed that you ARE a member of a union and attempting in any way, however small, to change the situation otherwise your post would be so much empty talk, hot air and crocodile tears.

I know from your previous posts that you are a full time home educator of a school age child as well as a working mother and a prodigious poster on this forum and numerous other sites therefore I would not expect you to have the time to be as actively involved in your union - Usdaw I presume? - as I was in mine.

I'm sure as a fellow trades unionist who knows that the strength of the membership is in mutual support and collective action Folkiedave is as amused as I am by your rather naughty, teasing absurdly ironic suggestion that you appear as a solo star in front of the TV cameras in the cause of the nation's workforce after all, as those others of us who care deeply about others know this is not about any individual 'glory'.

However, on a more serious note, it would be simple etiquette if, before accepting any fraternal support from 'The People's Republic of South Yorkshire' :), you let him know who your local branch secretary is and what actions you taken so far upon your expressed concerns apart from posting here, have you proposed any useful resolutions for conference for example?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:38 AM

Please, don't patronize me.

I am not. I am pretty sure that no-one else saw it that way. But it is far easier to be a victim than to be a leader and martydom has been the chosen route of a lot of people. If it is for you, fine, but make sure you blame the right people. If you try to show that everyone is against you then it should be no surprise when your cause becomes lost in the mire of self pity. If you don't want help, again that is fine. Some people have changed the world by themselves but not many.

When I was young I saw that the world was wrong and tried to change it. A few years later I realised it was too big a task so I tried to change my country and still made no impression. So I tried to change my town with no more sucess. Only a few years ago I realised that the one thing I could improve was myself, so I did. And you know what? My town improved no end. So did the country. And the world was a better place. Funny old thing isn't it? :-)

Good luck in your campaign, although I am sure you will take offence at any such wishes.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:41 AM

Oh, sorry, there is one final bit of advice if you choose to take it.

I get my point across very clearly...to those who choose to see.

The object of evangelism is to try and get your point across to people who do not see it. What you say you are good at is preaching to the converted.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:23 PM

I just do not write in the way you wish me to write. Tough. I have written more words which have incensed/inspired/infuriated more people than you've had hot dinners, David.

And there we have it, Lizzie writes to incense, inspire and infuriate people. Well I have seen those who are infuriated and incensed, so I know about two out of three so far. I have seen people who agree with her - but to be honest never noticed anyone who has been inspired. But I suppose two out of three is not a bad strike rate.

BBC TVs 'Spotlight' (local news) programme have just rung to say they're sending someone round tomorrow to interview me. I expect they'll only use the quiet bits again, but never mind, because it inspired a few people last time round, so hopefully, it'll inspire a few people this time too.

When you say they are sending someone around to interview you Lizzie why not let them do that? Instead you have clearly decided what you will say in advance - "they'll only use the quiet bits". What will the noisy bits be? I have a certain amount of media savvy, nothing extensive you know, but one thing I have learnt the media do like to do, they ask the questions, you give them the answers to the questions they have asked. Still you never know I suppose you might inspire them too. Or incense or infuriate I suppose, still you have a two out of three chance.

Incidentally what are they interviewing you about? Water charges? Christmas at Ann Summers? Change from one colour coat hanger to anther colour coat hanger? National Trust Training Manuals? Irish public servants on strike? Fat Cats? Minimum wages? Show of Hands? Reg Meuross? Bruce Murdoch? Seth Lakeman? Dyslexia and how to deal with it? Home Education? Degrees for nurses? Being barred from message boards? All of these? None of these?

So as you say, "a few people were inspired last time round", was there a movement about bath handles for people? More importantly a number of people asked what happened when you ranted on TV last time about Vi and her bath handles etc...

It would be nice if you finished off one of these rants occasionally. That helps to inspire us too you know!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 02:13 PM

Folkiedave, that was funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 04:54 PM

Your words, Dave, say so much more about you, than they do about me.
I will leave them entirely in your possession.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:56 AM

Well, they've just cancelled the interview. Probably because they learnt today that our water bills in Devon are going down by.......wait for it......£3!

Cool, huh?

£3 a year, rising to £6 a year over the next few years.

I'm so excited I can barely think of what to spend my extra £3 on!

Someone send for Show of Hands....immediately! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:54 AM

So you would rather them increase it by £3.00 ?.................

Thought Not

Damned if they do, damned if they dont.


Oh and if you dont need the £3.00, give it to charity.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:55 AM

No, second thoughts, you would probably have preferred them to increase it, then you would have had something else to rant about.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:08 AM

Well, they've just cancelled the interview. Probably because they learnt today that our water bills in Devon are going down by.......wait for it......£3!

Did you not ask why they cancelled? Did they not tell?

Perhaps they are waiting to see what happened to Vi's bath handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:33 AM

Who's is Vi, and what did happen to her bath handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:55 AM

Sorry Green Wellies did you not know?

Here's the thread to which I am referring.

Unfortunately despite county-wide publicity and a number of requests to Lizzie - we still do not know how this ended, indeed of course it may not have done.

All we know is Lizzie needed to buy some handles and she could have had them fitted for free. Last we heard she was on the telly.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:37 AM

Oh right I get it, Lizzie stopped an old lady from having a bath because of her own principles.

If Vi wants to buy handles for her bath that Vi's business not Lizzies.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:40 AM

"I'm so excited I can barely think of what to spend my extra £3 on!

Someone send for Show of Hands....immediately! :0)"

Why - were you thinking of booking them for Torquay Folk Week? Unfortunately, I believe their festival fee is a bit higher than that... :)

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:02 PM

In fairness GW that's not quite right. But if you have read through the whole thread I am not surprised you don't understand it. I struggled and I wrote some of it!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:11 PM

The £3 could be put towards new bath handles. I just Googled them - there are millions of threads (and discussion boards) about bath handles. It's a national obsession!

My dad fought in the last war too. He had medals and all sorts of honours. He never talked about it. I've no doubt the same applies to lots of other posters on this board. I would never use his memory in an argument about the state of the country. I think it's distasteful - and would really embarrass him.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:22 PM

You have no knowledge of my Dear Father. He loved this country with every inch of his soul...and he was the kindest, gentlest man, who went against all his peaceful principles to do his part in ensuring that his country and her people, together with the rest of the world, stayed free.

Of course, it was your dad and my Dad's generation who fought so hard for Freedom in General, Freedom of Though and Freedom of Speech.

We, their children, have that very freedom to this day, and it is up to us to decide what to do with it.

Some on this thread have chosen to use it to try their utmost to spin, belittle, twist, humiliate...

Luckily, my Dad left me the most precious gift of all....and that was Love. And his Love, even to this day, still protects me from people who seek to hurt me with their opinions, their words...

My Dad would be hugely proud that his country was still being loved, still being fought for and that some folks were still standing up and shouting out when things are so terribly wrong.

And that's why I'm so proud, and not the slightest bit embarrassed to be My Father's Daughter.....


So, carry on folks.....because I'm protected by a Love that perhaps some of you are not even able to understand....

Use your freedom of speech as you feel it right to do....

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM

And you have no knowledge of mine. He was a deeply religious man and I don't know how he managed to reconcile his faith with the fact that he had to kill people. He was very proud, very patriotic and I won't use his memory to make a point.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:33 PM

Brilliant! I wish I could have thought of that one. Once you have changed the argument multiple times to avoid fcing the issues you can always rely on the good old favourites.

All together now...

All you need is love (da da da da daa)
All you need is love (da da da da daa)
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM

Yup, well about the only thing my Father ever said to me about the war was "It's a terrible thing to kill people, Liz"....and he lived with that horror all his life.

He lived with it, for us....in the hope that life would improve and that people would start being kind to one another.

I don't use my father to 'make a point'....I talk about him because I know exactly how he'd feel about so many things that are going on right now....He was a man of utter honesty and integrity, and this world, this country and the people who run it, be they politicians or Corporate Crooks would horrify him.

So, please, have your own opinions by all means, but do NOT tell me that I am not allowed to talk about my Dearest Dad. It's Dad who brings out my tears, who makes my voice shake with rage and upset about all that's going on right now...and it's my Dad who gives me strength.

Because of him, I am a free person, free to express myself in whatever way I so choose, as are you.

And yes, David.....Love IS all you need, actually....but sadly the world hasn't woken up to that fact yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:26 PM

Tell us about Vi Lizzie, tell us about Vi. Please. Pretty please.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:18 PM

I know you may not think so at times, Lizzie, but we all have Fathers you know:-)

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 03:25 AM

Yup, well about the only thing my Father ever said to me about the war was "It's a terrible thing to kill people, Liz"....

I don't doubt what your father said for one minute - but I always thought that Lizzie was not your real name.

How come your Dad was calling you the diminutive of a name you invented?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:15 AM

Oh fer, f*ck's sake, Dave...grow up, there's a dear.

Go pick your nose or something. Do *anything* but carry on this insane witch hunt of yours.

You'll feel much happier for it, and so will your nose.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:55 AM

Lizzie, most of us do have fathers and some of those fathers fought in various wars and saw some horrible things. You can't compare one father's experiences with another.

I too am rather fascinated by the bath handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 06:11 AM

I am very fond of Bath Chaps Which are pig's cheeks, which can be brined and cured, or cubed and turned into a deliciou8s stew.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 06:42 AM

I'm actually going to visit in-laws this weekend in Bath , shall I bring handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:25 AM

Hayman's butchers in Sidmouth do some lovely Bath Chaps, Giok. And their brawn is not to be sniffed at, either.




As it were.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:49 AM

I bought some brawn a while back, it tasted ... yuck!
How can you tell if brawn is good brawn, and what do you do with it/eat it with?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:54 AM

The butcher when I asked exactly what it was, was almost shifty about evading the question..

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:57 AM

God, I love it.

Spread it on hot toast, that's my advice. Take ot out of the fridge for a bit first. I've also had it as a starter at The Stagg at Titley where they called it pressed pig's head - it was baked and served with caramelised onion puree.

I guess you can tell it's nice if it tastes good - the richer and more savoury the better, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:02 AM

*Crowsister, the "pressed pig's head" bit answers your question about what it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Mike of Hessle
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:24 AM

I regularly have Brawn sandwiches with Brown Sauce for my lunch on a Saturday/Sunday - they taste delicious. Having been raised in the 50's with little money coming into the house it was what you ate as Boiled Ham was far too expensive.

We also still enjoy Tripe and Pigs Trotters with vinegar and Ducks (not the waddling sort) - lovely and very cheap. Have gone off the cold fish (unsold portions from the Fish-shop which we were given next day) and then warmed up for dinner.

And we never knew we were poor - sat in candlelight because we had no money for the meter.

I could go on .......

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:07 AM

My Aunt Isabella used to make something called Mock Crab for sandwiches, a recipe left over from the privations of wartime when real crabs, presumably, were interned. Tomatoes, cheese and roughly ground breadcrumbs. Yum yum.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:22 AM

""How can you tell if brawn is good brawn, and what do you do with it/eat it with?""

Good Brawn is an oxymoron CS, and as to how you eat it, the only answer I can give is.....With trepidation, and a clothespeg on your nose.

As a kid I used to have to eat it, back in the post war rationing days, and it is the most Godawful muck.


IMHO, of course.
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:25 AM

BTW, does anyone else feel, as I do, that this "let's kick Lizzie" fest has run its course?

It begins to pall

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:03 AM

Mike of Hessle: Ducks = Faggots, yes? I love a good butcher's faggot, me. I always put a trotter in my rabbit stew, if I can get one.

Don, the brawn you had was probably made with eyeballs and everything. I think the process is a bit more refined now. I've not known it to have a strong smell particularly. And it is very tasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:14 AM

NORTHUMBRIAN DUCK

Boned shoulder of lamb with knuckle bone left in to form the beak.
Serve on a lake of sugar snap peas.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:22 AM

Take no notice of Ruth Archer. Far from coming from Prudhoe as she might have you believe - she actually is American and there they eat Scrapple.

I'd normally not rely on Wikipedia for the source of my information but in this case personal experience tells me it is reliable.

"Scraps of meat left over from butchering, not used or sold elsewhere, were made into scrapple to avoid waste. Scrapple is best known as a regional American food of the Mid-Atlantic States (Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland)".

Note that phrase "scraps of meat left over from butchering". By this it means that after the (shop/abbatoir/butchers/farm) is shut for the day they go around with a broom and sweep everything up into a pan.

Wikipedia goes on to say:

"Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other scraps, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Fans of scrapple sometimes boast that scrapple contains everything from a pig except the "oink."

First of all those grammarians amongst you will realise that they begin by using the past tense and then switch to the present tense.Believe me the present tense is the operable one, i.e. they still make it.

Now I am sure she won't mind me saying but this came up once before and Ruth Archer made it plain that she found this stuff delicious. Especially when covered in maple syrup. (Those familiar with this area of America will realise they put maple syrup on everything).

And you wonder how she can tell the difference between good and bad brawn?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:28 AM

I find that most American food, has it's roots in Europe anyway. So I assume that accounts for the eclectic tastes of RA.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:29 AM

Sorry Terry