BS: Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

Subject: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Janie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 06:50 AM

Quite startling, given the length of time he has been in office and the fact that the nomination deadline was just days after he took office.

President Obama Awarded 2009 Nobel Prize for Peace

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: gnu
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 07:31 AM

Gosh!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Stu
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 07:45 AM

Bloody ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:29 AM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:29 AM

Let the trash talk begin.....as I see it has.......but for the changes he has brought about in the attitudes of others toward this country after 8 years of xenophobic histrionics, he well deserves it.

While I wish he were stronger on health care and and other things where I was hoping for more change than we're seeing, in this area he is a winner. Perhaps this will help to strengthen his commitment to the real changes we hoped would happen.

Congratulations Mister President........and remember, you couldn't have done it were it not for Dubya!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:39 AM

I don't get it!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: GUEST,Janie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:49 AM

Well said, Spaw. I was completely surprised. When I listened to the clip from the Nobel Committee this morning it makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:51 AM

Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize "for the changes he has brought about in the attitudes of others toward [the US]"?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:01 AM

I love it if only because it will send HannityLimbaughBeckCoulterMalkinOReilly off the deep end (along with some of our locals I believe). Let the outcry and indignation begin!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:04 AM

Wow!! What a pleasant surprise!! And its nice to have what he's changed so far noticed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:05 AM

Considering the attitude that the Daily Mail - that much admired and frequently quoted source of some posters here -takes to the award, I should wholehearted endorse it but can't help recalling .......

When Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, the musical satirist Tom Lehrer decided that he could no longer perform.
"It was at that moment that satire died," he said, "There was nothing more to say after that."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:05 AM

Gotta say, I think this is basically something of a strategic PR campaign stylee award. Even so, I hope it works for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:21 AM

I'm also surprised, since there was no suggestion of such an award in the media.

In some minds it may make up for the International Olympics Committee's decision to resist his efforts to lobby them to hold the 2012 games in Chicago.

Obama still has a lot of potential for achieving improved international relationships, and the Nobel Peace Prize Committee recognizes that potential.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: bobad
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:21 AM

"he Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said.

Jagland said the decision was "unanimous" and came with ease.

He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union.

"His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," it said.

Bravo Mr. President!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:27 AM

Yeah, great. Now he's up there with Henry Kissinger.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Stu
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:31 AM

"Let the trash talk begin.....as I see it has......"

I suppose that's a reference to me? It's 'trash talk' because I don't agree? Bollocks.

I'm not trashing Obama or anyone except the board who awarded this prize to him. The idea that Obama has suddenly become a panacea for all the world's ills is a delusion the US can't afford to labour under.

This is a feeble PR stunt. Give the prize to the many Chinese dissidents struggling against brutal oppression, the people trying to make the peace process work across communities in the North of Ireland, the lone voices trying to bring people together in Palestine and Israel. Gandhi never received the Nobel Peace Prize but war criminal Kissinger did.

This is political grandstanding pure and simple. Obama might be wonderful (I would have voted for him), but he's in charge of the world's biggest military and a relentless and belligerent Pentagon that has yet to be tamed. He's only been in the job 11 months, we've no idea of his rhetoric will become action.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and it isn't even out of the oven yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Mr Happy
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:39 AM

Shall I add to the overwhelming cynicism here, or hold fire 'til later?


................pondering, .......will he/won't he send more troops...?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:40 AM

I am stunned. I wonder who nominated him? If the reports are true neither Obama nor his staff knew about it until this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: irishenglish
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:50 AM

Sugarfoot, you said "I'm not trashing Obama or anyone except the board who awarded this prize to him." A very valid point, and the committee has made some odd choices, such as Kissinger in the past. Regrettably,I think the talking heads-the Limbaugh's, the O'Reilly's, etc are not going to make the same connection, and will pin this on the man...not a bunch of Norwegians! As if to say-its his fault.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Mr Happy
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:55 AM

I wasn't aware Norwegians were involved?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 10:51 AM

I will hold judgement.

I am not trashing Obama, I wish him well.

However, if he pulls out of Pakistan and gets peace in the middle east and this allows us in the UK to pull our troops back from afganistan and peace is restored around the globe, I will just like the people who voted for him for The Nobel Peace Prize, kiss his arse.

As S Jack says, there are more worhy people in this world

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:12 AM

JaysusHFuckingKeyriced...you all don't want much, do you? The man has done more to change the attitude, no small thing after the shrub, of the world towards the United States, to hope for improved everything and is taking steps to achieve SO MUCH...there is nothing wrong with recognising those efforts NOW whilst he carries on with others to bring so much change about.

Bravo, President Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:26 AM

Good for you, Mr. Prez. My very sincere congratulations on winning this very prestigious award.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:30 AM

"if he pulls out of Pakistan and gets peace in the middle east and this allows us in the UK to pull our troops back from afganistan and peace is restored around the globe,"

..then he'll be genuinely worthy of a Peace price. Looking forward to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: pdq
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:37 AM

A small correction to the discussion: the Summer Olympics will be in Rio de Janeiro in 2016, not 2012 as stated above.

Good news: they have reinstated golf and rugby for those games after about 100 years without them.

Subject: BS: Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize for 2009
From: Genie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:47 AM

I would suggest a small but significant change to the thread title (echoing a point I heard on a talk radio show this morning).   The Nobel Peace Prize is "awarded," not "won" in the sense of people having "competed" for it.
To say he "won" it suggests that he was out there campaigning or vying for it (as he did for the US to get the Olympics).
Instead, he, like other Nobel Laureates, was awarded the Prize based on their own considerations of his goals, values, policies, and accomplishments and those of others being considered.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:56 AM

WASHINGTON — President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," a honor that came less than nine months after he made United States history by becoming the country's first African-American president.



The award, announced in Oslo by the Nobel Committee while much of official Washington — including the president — was still asleep, cited in particular the president's efforts to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

"He has created a new international climate," the committee said.

For Mr. Obama, one of the nation's youngest presidents, the award is an extraordinary recognition that puts him in the company of world leaders such as Mikhail Gorbachev, who won for helping to bring an end to the cold war, and Nelson Mandela, who sought an end to apartheid. But it is also a potential political liability at home; already, Republicans are criticizing the president, contending he won more for his "star power" than his actual achievements.

In a late-morning appearance in the Rose Garden, Mr. Obama said that he was "surprised and humbled" by the award, and that he did not feel he deserved to be in the company of some of the "transformative" figures who had previously won it.

"Let me be clear, I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations," the president said.

The news shocked people in Oslo — where an audible gasp escaped the audience when the decision was announced — and in Washington, where top advisers to Mr. Obama said they had no idea it was coming. The president was awakened shortly before 6 a.m. by his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, who delivered the news.

"There has been no discussion, nothing at all," said Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff, in a brief early morning telephone interview. (NYT)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize for 2009
From: Genie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:59 AM

For the record, while I don't yet have a verbatim transcript of their comments, I did hear a clip this morning from a spokesman for the committee that awards the Nobel Peace Prize. He made it pretty clear that the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded as much for someone's vision, policy direction, goals, and inspiration as for concrete accomplishments and that in awarding this honor to Barack Obama they are honoring and applauding what they see as a strong, positive change in direction of US policy re international relations and diplomacy, and nuclear non-proliferation in particular.   They emphasized Obama's work on behalf of nuclear nonproliferation.


In his acceptance speech this morning, Obama framed the Prize as representing just that.   It's not so much an honor for him or his accomplishments as an encouragement of the international diplomatic work he has been involved with along with many, many others.

The Nobel Peace Prize committee is, I think, endorsing what they see as a major shift in attitude and goals by the US that this new administration promises.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:11 PM

What worries me is that the Committee may be rushing to judgement based on fear. I agree with President Obama's goals and methods in general and I fear for his personal future.

No president has received so many death threats as Mr. Obama. As with terrorism, only one bad guy has to get through to destroy him. In that respect, although there may be an element of prematurity here, I consider it understandable that Mr. Obama should be honored.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:23 PM

I'm glad that he got it, good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:30 PM

It seems to have come as a bit of a suprise even to the American liberal news website The Huffington Post

"However, in awarding the Prize to the President, the Committee has risked undermining much of the President's momentum on a number of fronts by focusing supporters and detractors alike not on what he has done, but on what he hasn't...

While it is true that he has reached out to the Muslim world in unprecedented ways, reengaged our allies, and helped the U.S. reach a tremendous milestone in race relations, and spoken out on nuclear disarmament, he has yet had the chance to solidify gains on any major policy issue or really have the opportunity to turn his attention to issues of peace.

In fact, as Afghanistan becomes increasingly discussed in many quarters as a war of choice, Obama has had to focus his attention not on peace and diplomacy, but on calculations of war.....


... today many around the world are questioning whether Obama's accomplishments during his short time are deserving of this great honor.
And, at a time when some are feeling disappointed that Obama's promises of change are not being fulfilled fast enough, this award may not be actually be helpful to the President in the way that the Nobel Committee hopes.
Rather, it may shine a spotlight on a lack of accomplishment, even for those who support the President.

So, in addition to having to live up to the hopes that his campaign and election raised at home and around the world, President Obama will have to earn, in the minds of many, this prematurely bestowed award."

The Nobel Prize Committee May Have Done Obama More Harm Than Good

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:32 PM

My first reaction was total surprise. "Huh?" "What for?"

He's expanding the war in Afghanistan, isn't he? He has not withdrawn from Iraq. He has not closed Guantanamo.

On the other hand, I can see the committee's point about how he has shifted world attitudes toward the USA in a more positive direction. It has been a notable improvement over the Bush administration in that sense certainly. But it's a little early to be awarding Peace prizes, I think.

Perhaps the Norwegians are hoping to nudge Obama into changing his policies on the Afghan war?

Oh, well...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:33 PM

Here's an interesting take on the reasons why President Obama may have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize:

Obama as the pathfinder for a new American leadership
Submitted October 9, 2009 - 8:36 am by Jack DuVall

"...Nobel Peace Prizes have typically been of two kinds -- to an older person, for lifelong achievement, or to a person still involved in a cause, in order to strengthen it. Obama believes he represents a new form of American leadership in the world, less belligerent and welcoming of everyone's views. This is a Nobel award that is actually quite shrewd: For some time, it will coax and remind Obama to consider whether he is living up to that standard. So he'll show us, going forward, the scope of his conscience, the degree of his ingenuity in strategies to end violent conflict and repression, and the extent of political risks he is willing to take for the sake of people's rights and opportunities. The award is an investment in a new direction for America's role in the world.

It is also a rebuke to those who are willing to discard hope at the first sign that the American president may not fulfill their every wish. Presidents don't change the world by making sudden decisions or signing laws. They change it the way it is always changed: to paraphrase Al [Giordano]*, by organizing that change. Successful organizing does not mean calling upon heaven to drop manna on us. It means getting fractious people to shut up and start contributing to the process, in order to bring to bear more than your own personal power on a problem, and it means developing a strategy to present opponents with difficult choices so they end up doing what you want.

We haven't begun to see what Obama is capable of. The Nobel prize will on his mind for quite some time. It's a good thing."

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3519/congratulations-dude#comments

-snip-

I very much agree.

Congratulations, President Obama!

* Al Giordano is a journalist who operates the Narco News Bulletin, reporting on the War on Drugs, the political blog The Field, reporting on American politics, and the School of Authentic Journalism [This from his Wikipedia page]

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Rog Peek
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:33 PM

When I caught the news,I was pretty taken aback I have to say, while I recognise that Barack Obama has re-kindled hope for so many in the world, for me, the jury is still out. I am reminded that he is a politician, and this section of the community have not a particularly good record for being true to their word. However, I was very impressed with his acceptance speech which among other things described this award as 'a call to action', so I like so many others will continue to hope that faith in him has not been misplaced.

With regard to the motivation behind this award, I understand that the award is by way of encouraging the present trend towards friendship and diplomacy rather than mistrust and conflict. If it succeeds in this, then what I say is Bloody Hooray.

Rog

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:34 PM

This is the man who was elected to end the US' Middle East wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has failed to do so. Instead, he'll probably "surge" troop levels in the latter contry, and keep permanent military bases in the former.

This is the man who presides over the slaughter of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, through the unmitigated evil of remotely controlled drone bombers.

Peace, my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:39 PM

the nomination deadline was just days after he took office

Surely the relevant date would mot have been the date he took office, butb the date he was elected. By the time Obama actually took office, the positive impact of his election on the world political scene had already been demonstrated.

Maybe the Peace Prize should have been awarded to the American electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: pdq
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:40 PM

"Perhaps the Norwegians are hoping to nudge Obama into changing his policies on the Afghan war? ~ LH

Yes, that may well be the case. The Prize surely isn't for things he has done but for things the committee want him to do in the future.

The Emmys, Grammys and Toneys are also awarded for political reasons, rarely for merit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:49 PM

Well, at least by my count, it has been awarded to politicians 19 times since 1959 (some years had multiple winners), twice to peace-makers in Northern Ireland, once to peace-makers in Israel/Palestine and once to a military force.    At least twice they apparently couldn't find anyone worth getting the award and rolled the money over.

Far be it from me to try to second-guess the Nobel Committee, but the choice of Mr. Obama is far better than some of the previous selectees, even if it is only for preliminary efforts. I do find the idea expressed above that they gave it to him because he'll be killed before he finishes what he has strarted to be rather depressing. May he carry on as he has begun.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:55 PM

Ditto Magrath.

Seeing as he was nominated a mere two weeks into his Presidency, I reckon it's actually been strategically awarded as a form of international validation, recognition, and indeed encouragement of, the *American people* for voting the guy in.

He's the symbolic figurehead of a process of delicately shifting attitudes occurring in America amongst the electorate themselves. On that basis, Obama as figurehead, is deserving of it as the public representative of the American people as a whole.

That's my theory...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 12:56 PM

Ooops "McGrath"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 01:02 PM

...an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations,

Yes, well said, Mr. President.

Genie, thanks for the info.

The press, most of it, is guilty of Perception Management, i.e. make something up, spin it as if it were true, watch the people believe and take action based upon the lie. The liberals can be as guilty, to some degree, mostly more benign imo, than the conservatives. Right now, the libs seem to keep shooting themselves and Obama in the foot...as if they are afraid electing him might not really work. Maybe they are waiting for the other shoe to fall OR maybe they don't have a creative, i.e. think outside the box and find the real stories, bone in their body and go for the one bone they can all chew on...which bone may not have one shred of Truth attached OR even exist as so much of it is speculation these days, which can create its own "truth" and become self-fulfilling.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 01:02 PM

Well one thing he has done is bring two conflicting sides to a rare accord

"Nothing has changed in the Obama administration's policies from previous U.S. governments, except statements, promises and hopes," said Fawzi Barhoum, a spokesman for Hamas, the Palestinian faction that runs the Gaza Strip.

For Efraim Inbar, a politics professor at Bar-Ilan University near Tel Aviv, the prize shows that "the Nobel judges are unable to distinguish between words and deeds.


The deadline for nominations for the prize, which includes $1.4 million in cash, was Feb. 1 - before he launched initiatives on nuclear non-proliferation and rebuilding U.S. ties to the Muslim world.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 01:02 PM

I can't help but wonder now if Chongo Chimp has a slight chance of someday winning a Nobel Peace Prize? My head tells me "Well...maybe."...but my gut tells me "Not a friggin' chance!" ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 01:28 PM

Well, we must encourage our leaders, but mu thoughts are for al the lesser known people who work day and night in dangerous situations to relieve the suffering of others, and work for peace in a largely unlauded way. 15 mins of fame for ome of these wonderful people would also serve to change attitudes.....by example.

Subject: BS: Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize for 2009
From: Genie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:22 PM

Azizi, that column by Jack DuVall said, better than I could, what occurred to me shortly after I posted my last post.   By awarding Obama this honor they are not so much saying that he "won" a prize based on accomplishments (during or before his Presidency) as they are, in effect, 'nudging' him in the direction he seemed, early on, to be going and reminding him not to lose that focus.

To those (including the writers of SNL) who say he has not accomplished much - e.g., the closing of GITMO or withdrawing our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan --, let's not minimize the opposition he has been facing from the military-industrial complex. (You know, the one Gen./Pres. Dwight D Eisenhower warned us to beware?)    Laws have been passed to prevent any detainees from GITMO to be transferred to prisons in all, or at least most, of the states that have maximum security prisons, and releasing detainees to other countries is highly problematic too.   Obama even has a high level General openly challenging his policies and goals for Afghanistan in the media.   And the Republicans in the Senate seem hell bent on filibustering anything the Dems try to do that isn't exactly what they would do (and even some things they might otherwise approve of -- just because they want the Obama administration to fail).

In terms of why he was nominated so early -- as were many, many others -- let's not forget that he did have a record of policy stances and votes before the 2008 election. As an Illinois state legislator and as a US Senator, and even as a community organizer, much of what Obama worked for was equal rights, cooperation among groups, and peace.   Go back and listen to Obama's keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention.   Its focus was on bridging the gap and healing the often artificial yet increasingly hostile divide between regions, factions, and parties in the US (and around the world).

When the US was attacked on 9-11-01, for a brief moment the world was with us. Remember the French newspaper headline that translated "WE ARE ALL AMERICANS?"
But the Bush/Cheney administration, instead of seizing that moment to unite people of good will around the world against fanatical terrorism, basically poured fuel on the fires of racial, ethnic, and religious intolerance and of chauvinism and US supremacism.
Those who see war as an avenue to political power and wealth stepped into the breach and set us on a dangerous and unsustainable path.   
No, Obama, hasn't "turned the ship of state around full course" yet. We have a long way to go. But at least I think he and the Democratic Congress have begun that process.   And they need to be cheered on for that and prodded to go further.
I think that may be a lot of what the Nobel Peace Prize Committee had in mind.

Subject: Barack Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
From: Genie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:29 PM

McGrath of Harlow responded to this comment :   "the nomination deadline was just days after he took office"
by saying this:

"Surely the relevant date would mot have been the date he took office, but the date he was elected. By the time Obama actually took office, the positive impact of his election on the world political scene had already been demonstrated.

Maybe the Peace Prize should have been awarded to the American electorate."

I agree with that last statement, McGrath.

But who says the Nobel Committee considered only what Obama had done or worked for after he was elected President, or even only after he entered the race. Since when are only heads of state or major political leaders nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize?
Since when is that prize awarded only to such leaders?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: DougR
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM

I'm not surprised. EVERYBODY loves the messiah! He won it by championing a cause that will never be achieved: the total elimination of nuclear weapons.

DougR

Subject: Barack Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
From: Genie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM

Emma B, "The deadline for nominations for the prize, which includes $1.4 million in cash, was Feb. 1 - before he launched initiatives on nuclear non-proliferation and rebuilding U.S. ties to the Muslim world."
That's true.
But the VOTING as to who will be awarded the Peace Prize happened very recently, after he launched those initiatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:36 PM

Odd, I have never heard anyone but right-wingers call him the Messiah. And, they do it a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 02:38 PM

I am sure that cancellation of the Bush plans to install missile sites in Poland and the resumption of talks with Russia about decreasing the number of missiles and decreasing tensions was strong in the minds of the jury.

The war in Afghanistan is not just by the U. S. but includes NATO countries and thus has their governments' approval; a change in Western policies in the region may be slow in coming.

It my mind, diplomacy and incentives should replace armed conflict, but only a minority of Western leaders see it that way.
On home ground, Obama would have to oppose a majority of the elected Congressmen in both the House and Senate.