BS: Ayn Rand

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Skivee
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 09:51 PM

Is the Vatican a country?

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 09:54 PM

Heck, Skivz... The Vatican is a hybrid, too... Go tyhere and the6y'll sell you anything but the underwear yer wearing... Might sell it back to you, too...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 02:05 AM

Bobert: "No country on Earth has a government that owns and runs everything....."

That's R-i-i-ight!....Ever wonder why?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 09:40 AM

No, I don't... I don't do "absolutes" when it comes to political science...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 10:50 AM

The Big Lie about social programs, repeatedly flaunted by business-centric thinkers, is that they are Socialism.

They are not socialism. They are social programs. There is a huge difference.

The Government of the United States does not, and has no desire to, own the means of production. It consistently encourages and admires the private ownership and development of the means of production.

Let's stop being stupid about this abuse of the word "socialism". Caring for human beings and trying to build a more perfect union is not "socialism". It's human decency, a characteristic which informed the the Founding Fathers, but seems strangely lacking in the ranks of Boehner's Boneheads.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 11:26 AM

Yeah, sorta like the difference in structure, of, let's say Apple, versus Solyndra!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 06:08 PM

I'm not afraid of the term socialism. First of all, there never has been a purely socialist society but there have been socialist leanings in our democracy,
Social Security and the post office as an example.

Socialism was intended to be a political system that cares for human needs
and democratic unity. It was perverted in the former Soviet Union and other places in the world. The US could use more socialism in its governance. It doesn't have to be a complete socialism but the role of government needs to be helpful for its citizens, particularly when it comes to health insurance, and parity for the opportunities for all economic levels.

As Thom Hartmann says, we don't need the government making our shirts or clothes but unions are important so that we don't have 23 "right to work for less"
states.

Ayn Rand is a true reactionary. She grew up in a dictatorship in the USSR and emigrated to America where she formulated her reactionary ideas. Her ideas
are half-baked and inconsistent, wanting complete autonomy while in her later years drawing Social Security benefits. Her romanticism of the entrepreneur
who claws his/her way to the top doesn't take into account the role of corporate managed CEO's who are not the rugged individualists that she lauds. They are corporation men/women who are part of a corporate decision-making system and even if they are making robber's wages today, they still must answer to others.

Perhaps if she wanted to applaud someone who was true to her warped idea of success, she could champion the late Jimmy Hoffa, a rugged individualist.

Or even Karl Marx, a rugged individualistic economist.

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 07:17 PM

Okay, GfinS... Maybe you'd like tell the folks how the money that was "lent" Solyndra was actually spent and what collateral the tax payers still hold...

But I don't think you'll answer because no other Obama haters will answer it... They probably don't have a clue about any of this other than link right wing bloggers who also are clueless and want to remain clueless...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 08:02 PM

..or what determined the 'loan/grant'(?) in the first place...You'd think if the money came from a demand, rather than an idealistic wish, tied to an agenda, perhaps the way it was allocated, or spent would have been with a little more forethought, scrutiny and care. Wouldn't you think so, if it was your money, from your company?...that you worked hard to get, in the first place??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 08:40 PM

So you won't answer that one... Okay, answer this one... Do you realize that the loan guarantee was begun and pushed heavily onto the Obama administration by the Bush folks who had been pushing for the loan going back to 2006???

No???

Geeze... How could you miss that, GFinS...

Let me guess... Maybe because you are getting 100% of your information from "Americans for Prosperity", the Koch brother's BS propaganda machine...

Why don't you spend a little time getting some facts and quit with the propaganda that BIG OIL has crammed into your head???

What??? You don't do facts??? Why not??? They get in the way of the right winged narrative??? Geeze... Must suck to be stuck in Propagandaville...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 09:38 PM

Both of you high thinkers is gonna be able to agree that the money wasn't over-sighted very well.
The difference is that your Libertines will get pissed that lots of public funds were wasted on a scam operation that contributed nothing to advancing solar power generation.
Conservators will simultaneously gleefully selectively misquote Obama to make it seem like this was his personal Teapot Dome scandal,claim that the misquotes are the inside story that the libertine media is suppressing, link it to Obamacare (tm), claim that it proves that Obama is a foreign muslin who makes god-fearing women get pregnant, have mandatory abortions and live on welfare.
In either case there should be jail time for those who scammed, whatever their politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Ayn Rand
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 10:02 PM

No, it wasn't... But let's look at the realities... The money went into building a manufacturing plant which, BTW, we taxpayers now own and will be used/bought somewhere down the road... It is equity...

Second, in building the plant, tens of thousands of people had jobs... That money went r4ight into local economies and those folks who built it weren't on "unemployment"...

But BIG OIL doesn't want anyone to know this...

BIG OIL hates solar... They are perfectly willing to sabotage it any way they can and let the Chinese own solar... They only love oil, oil and more oil...

Two administrations were involved in Solyndra but to hear GFinS and BIG OIL tell it it was all on Obama... That is BIG OIL's BIG LIE....

One of us is a "high thinker", Skivz... The other just parroting propaganda... You pick...

B~