BS: Will Obama Win???

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:31 PM

Bread and circuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:33 PM

Not just Obama supporters ... all Americans should stand up against rascism Carol.

This really worries me. Don't know about you guys.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM

". . . and that those of us who think Obama should be our president should stand up to that [racism]."

Perhaps. If you're in a position to have an effect. Watching a video is not one of them. Making a video for people to sit around and watch is not one of them either.

Frankly, and maybe I'm wrong, I would like to ignore those wretched dregs, and move forward. They're coming along. Let whatever few such people really exist kick and scream.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:52 PM

Watching the video can inspire people to work toward the goal of eliminating racism. I don't know why it's hitting me differently than perhaps some other people, but it kind of takes me back to remembering the 60s and the civil rights movement that I was peripherally involved in as a child through my mother having been a civil rights worker. It doesn't strike me as being divisive at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:55 PM

One thing that struck me about it is the beautiful way it highlighted Obama's humanity. The message I got is that even in the face of the kind of hatred and hate and fear mongering we're seeing coming to the surface in this election, our humanity can still shine through and be the more powerful force than hatred and division.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:13 AM

One distinction comes to mind. In the 60's, racism was entrenched - insidious - mainstream. There was power and inertia behind it.

Now, those people in the video are weak and marginalized. They may have believed they had a little celebration in 2004, but we're trew wit doze guys.

The Republicans need to compose an entirely new song to re-capture the independents and the mainstream. That's how it feels to me, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:23 AM

I understand that, but what I see, and maybe what the video seeks to address, is that it appears to be becoming mainstream again. There's nothing marginalized about the racism that is being practiced by the McCain campaign. He and Palin and their campaign are working hard to bring racism and hate mongering back into the mainstream.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: DougR
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:47 AM

McGrath: In the U.S., winning the popular vote doesn't even win you a hamburger.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:42 AM

True enough, Doug, you've got a flawed electoral,system. So have we, just flawed in a different way.
...............................

So far as the slide show accompanying Dolores Keane singing in that link I gave, I don't think it in any way implies that all, or even many, Republicans are Klansmen. It seems to me that a truer way of reading it is as reminding us that hatred of people we disagree with is a terrible thing, and it can lead to even more terrible things, and that the target of that hatred in this case is a decent man, and one who should be treated with respect, even by people who disagree with him.

Which is after all what McCain himself reminded his supporters a few days ago, when he became visibly alarmed at the hatred that was being stoked up. And I see that Sarah Palin as well has now spoken out against the hate phone calls that are being made targetting Obama, by those who McCain is surely ashamed to have as supporting him.

And as I pointed out in that other thread, anyone who doesn't like the pictures should maybe just turn them off and listen to Dolores singing "Let it Be", the way it deserves to be sung.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:23 PM

"In the U.S., winning the popular vote doesn't even win you a hamburger."

So true. It is the electoral college that decides the issue. If they can't, the courts decide it.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:23 AM

McCain will win Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and Florida by use of the computer architecture that shunts the tallies to a GOP computer Tallahasse Tennesee and sending the adjusted totals back to the states.

Other states will have Premiere Voting System (formerely called Diebold) electroinc vote flipping on site of polling places.


Purging votes of newly registered, homeless, foreclosed, soldiers and the regional poor is the other half of the Republican strategy.

Listen UP

When casting your vote if you use the "one button" to vote for all democratic dandidates at once, the vote will be deemed an undervote and will not be counted.

You must vote for each person on the ballot seperatly for the votes to ve counted! (GOP voters are urged to do this in thier newsletters too.)






The magic McCain comeback will be excused as a Bradley effect.
People will shrug their shoulders and assume this country is mostly racist and stupid.
This is not the case. Karl Rove strategy has been to control the voting process. His plan is to assure a Republican victory FOREVER.

It is a shame that his ctrategy will once again work...unless certain loyalists sabotage the sabotage that is already in place.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:46 AM

Bill6:

Blame Max--he set the policy against using tables in posts.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:01 AM

To restore democracy there are basicly 3 wires that could be cut which left intact, will change the outcome of the election by criminally changing and eliminating votes.

They are in

Tallahasse TN, San Francisco CA, Tyson VI

But are you willing to cut them?

I thought not.

IT would not be considered a protest, misdeameanor or destruction of private property... it would be considered an act of treason or terrorism by the new Patriot Act statutes.

Freedom is just not that important to Americans.
Its worth about a hundred stongly worded letters but thats it.

Thats why McCain will win.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:19 AM

savvy computer experts would monitor the data from those cables and present it to the press and all relevant authorities, at more peril to their lives than cutting the cables. But there would at least be evidence that could be used to expose the criminal theft of democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:45 AM

here we go again..

Al-Qaeda Supporters Endorse McCain
from Huffington Post PAMELA HESS | October 21, 2008

WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Md., monitors the Web site and translated the message. "If al-Qaida carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaida. Al-Qaida then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

Mark Salter, a senior McCain adviser, said he had heard about the Web site chatter but had no immediate comment. The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid. However, Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with al-Qaida plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said this message caught SITE's attention because there has been little other chatter on the forums about the U.S. election.

SITE was struck by the message's detailed analysis _ and apparent jubilation _ about American financial woes. "What we try to do is get the pulse of the jihadist community," Raisman said. "And it's about the financial crisis."

Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:56 AM

Tallahassee is in Florida, not Tenneesee. But I'll cut dem wires if you'll buy de gas

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:03 AM

"To restore democracy there are basicly 3 wires that could be cut which left intact, will change the outcome of the election by criminally changing and eliminating votes.

They are in

Tallahasse TN, San Francisco CA, Tyson VI

But are you willing to cut them?

I thought not."

Ha )Editorial comment

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:30 AM

(the Tennesee part is accurate. It is the location of a clandestine GOP computer center in cooperation with voting machine manufacturers)

the city is    "pardon me boys is that the ____ choo choo.

The San Frnacisco location has the NSA internet intercept/recording installation in cooperation with microsoft.

As dubious as it sounds if I actually knew the precise locations and published them, I could be a lot of trouble.


CHECK OUT

stealbackyourvote.org

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:31 AM

Ya know, when they are not accompanied by source references of some kind, statements like these lose their credibility.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:43 AM

McGrath, thanks for the video link. Made me cry...that is a beautiful rendition of that song and I was inspired by the images.

heric, I basically agree with you that we need to look to the positives, etc., but I do think videos such as that can be educational and inspiring.

Donuel, Obama is going to take Colorado and he WILL win the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM

Even McCain knows Obama will take Colorado: click here.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:47 AM

http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM

I am a clever Google user:

more than you ever want to know

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:54 AM

btw contrary to popular belief , excons are allowed to vote in all but a very few states.

election officials disregard the law and routinely turn excons away from the polls and the Democratic Party will not bring up the issue for obvious political reasons.

the few exceptions to refusing ex felons to vote are minor techicalities such as one can or cannot still be on parole etc.

Since 86% of felons vote , the propoganda that they can not vote is better understood.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: kendall
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:07 PM

So, who will mop up the blood in the streets?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM

I did a cartoon of that very thing... it was a Mexican.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM

"..who will mop up the blood in the streets?"

Why, I assume there'll be a new W.P.A.....

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:30 PM

Blackwater and the other hired killers like them will mop up the blood in the streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:26 PM

You say that as if it were a bad thing?!

but seriously

The NEW McCain talking point and campaign sound bite is

"IGNORE THE POLLS AND PUNDITS, THE GOOD PEOPLE OF AMERICA WILL ELECT JOHN MC CAIN AND SARAH PALIN"




(never mind the state attorney generals behind your curtain)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: kendall
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:58 PM

I fear that if the republicans steal this election too, hell will be to pay. It may make the Watts riots look like a tea party.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:40 PM

Any number of riots and insurgencies, and indeed many civil wars, have started with allegations about elections being stolen.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:02 PM

Hmmm. Well, I honestly think you've had two stolen already in the past 8 years. Three might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

Has anyone read the Washington Times recently?

"*** McCain vs. Bush: Be sure not to miss McCain's exclusive interview with the Washington Times, in which the Arizona senator lashes out at President Bush. "Sen. John McCain on Wednesday blasted President Bush for building a mountain of debt for future generations, failing to pay for expanding Medicare and abusing executive powers, leveling his strongest criticism to date of an administration whose unpopularity may be dragging the Republican Party to the brink of a massive electoral defeat. 'We just let things get completely out of hand,' he said of his own party's rule in the past eight years." A very senior GOP strategist emails Politico's Mike Allen in response: "Lashing out at past Republican congresses instead of Pelosi and Reid, and echoing your opponent's attacks on you instead of attacking your opponent, and spending 150,000 hard dollars on designer clothes when congressional Republicans are struggling for money, and when your senior campaign staff are blaming each other for the loss in The New York Times [Magazine] 10 days before the election, you're not doing much to energize your supporters." Oh snap."

McCain Lashes Out (?)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM

He can sure construct a sentence:

"Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the [financial] regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously," Mr. McCain said."


("I reject categorically the concept that . . . any number of people would vote on the basis of race," he said.)


He could have accomplished this mission if he hadn't been smothered by the social conservatives and religious right.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 02:59 PM

It almost sounds like he's running for the wrong party, doesn't it?

I find it incredibly ironic that the neo-conservatives have increased government and national debt catastrophically in their last 8 years of rule. They delivered the diametrical opposite of what they claim to stand for.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:07 PM

He can sure construct a sentence.

I take it that is heavy irony. Nothing wrong with what he's saying there, but that's not actually a sentence. No verb.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:32 PM

"...that's not actually a sentence. No verb. "

The way the campaign is going, with only public financing available to him, he can't afford to buy a verb.


(arcane reference to silly American quiz program)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:08 AM

Lifelong Republicans (and one Independent) talk about why they will be voting for Obama...

Conservatives for Change

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:06 AM

"No verb." is also not a sentence, then. Nyah! Nyah! ;-) (Karl Rove asked me to say that on his behalf.)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:20 AM

Most "verbs" imply some kind of action... Perhaps that is why McCain is avoiding them???

Where's Bill Clinton to straighten this out???

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:23 AM

Excellent clip, Carol.

I particularly liked the point about how we can't tell the world what drum to march to anymore.

"Simple reason: our drum is broken."

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:51 AM

There is a earthen dam 5 miles away from where I live downstream. When the dam began to leak badly and the national media turned its eye on the sad shape it was in, I went to look for myself.

No one else I knew went to look or study elevation maps.
They just swallowed whatever the media was told to say by the groups who had the most at stake for their careers and bank accounts.

The economic dam for the country and world is washing away and precious few people are going to look for themselves. Instead they just swallowed whatever conservative stew was served them for the last 20 years. The stew had a policy of no regulation, no cops, no courts, no midnight watchmen and people bought and ate it since they got a sugar high that was intoxicating
.
The stew was seasoned with family values, trust in God, patriotism , a undieing loyalty to the Republican party and a vast new police state security over the citizens of America.

Now we all have food poisoning to some degree and many people will die, but not CEOs. Not the neocons. The rest of us will have some pretty chilling bouts of vomiting in times to come. Yet while most of us will suffer, some people who swallowed the most and will have the most to lose will swear to thier last dieing gurgling gasp that the stew was good. they will say it was those who critisized the stew that made them sick.

Folks, its only stew. IT was made by people like me and you. The cooks crafted its flavor and presentation for one reason. Profit.
The culture of corruption set a nice table but their were rats in the kitchen and fleas on the rats.

The next stew that is now being prepared by Barack Obama will be for mere survival. There will be new standards for cleanliness that will be hard for some people to learn but we need to learn about the new economic sanitation and enforce the rules.

Dinner may be meager and we will have to clean our plates but it will be wholseom and home made. We will be wary of any new stew in a can



Like my mom said , you should eat to live, not live to eat.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:39 AM

You mean we're not the fleas? I like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:54 PM

I can't decide whether there were 6, 8, 12 or more metaphors in that parable, Don...but I liked it.

But I think I'll have strange images in my head the next time I make stew.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM

He probably will...but I imagine all his most avid supporters, will cringe, to think that they actually voted for the smooth talkin' stone face liar....and at the same time defend him, stubbornly....Just watch!

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 08:20 AM

So, "Insanity"--you are a wholly owned subsidiary of Rig's Smears R Us?

Otherwise, perhaps you wouldn't mind providing the first iota of evidence or logic behind your last slander. With sources and exact dates--not just yet another absurd conspiracy theory, please.

Thanks so much.

Not that any of your postings so far have given the slightest hope to the forlorn notion that you can think clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:47 AM

Ron:

Don't mind her. She's always been an arm-waver with hopscotch conclusions thrown about like shards of broken glass.

Stone face? What a misnomer. You want a stone-face, watch John McCain try to smile without breaking his face!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 12:02 PM

This flash from Maine (October 23rd polling results):

In the presidential race, Democrat Barack Obama leads Republican
John McCain in both districts. McCain trails overall with 35
percent to Obama's 56 percent.

Not bad for a small redneck state! And Obama hasn't campaigned here for months. Maybe the McCain/Palin appearance 10 days ago helped people clarify their thinking; the race was much closer then.

However, the race appears closer in my small town of Richmond.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:24 PM

Took a quick count of signs from Sterling Va to the Beltway ( at MD/VA border:

25 McCain
12 Obama


I counted "clusters of more than one sign obviously in the same yard as 1 sign each cluster- 2 clusters for McCain, one for Obama

As good as the polls, I guess- showing a landslide for McCain!


Actually, I think this will be a tossup in Viginia...

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:31 PM

RCP on Virginia:

Poll Date Sample MoE Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 10/19 - 10/26 -- -- 51.3 43.5 Obama +7.8
SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/26 671 LV 3.9 52 43 Obama +9
Reuters/Zogby 10/23 - 10/26 600 LV 4.1 52 45 Obama +7
Washington Post 10/22 - 10/25 784 LV 3.5 52 44 Obama +8
VCU 10/20 - 10/22 817 LV 4.0 51 40 Obama +11
NBC/Mason-Dixon 10/20 - 10/21 625 LV 4.0 47 45 Obama +2
CNN/Time 10/19 - 10/21 647 LV 4.0 54 44 Obama +10