BS: Will Obama Win???

Subject: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 08:35 PM

Well, well, well...

Looks as if John McCain has an uphill fight but...

...there is always the Bradley Effect and all sorts of things that can happen so...

...whaddayathink???

I think that Obama will win...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 08:39 PM

I think he pretty much has to win, Bobert. There's no one else running.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: emjay
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 08:45 PM

Late on the 4th of November we will know. Until then work, work, work and hope!
I have donated, written postcards to voters in swing states, put signs in my front yard, participated in sign waving.
I don't know if any of those things work but they are what I can do.
I will be a poll watcher on election day.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 08:54 PM

I don't know, but I'll be making some phone calls for him tomorrow, in this swing state.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:00 PM

Just wait and see. You'll find out when it happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:07 PM

Yogi Berra - "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:08 PM

McCain's only real hope now appaears to be "the Bradley Effect". In other words, racism to the rescue. That must be a very depressing thought for decent Republicans. I think I'd sooner lose than be dependent on that kind of help.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:11 PM

Republicans have won elections by playing on peoples hatred and/or fear of Blacks for decades. Which is kind of sad, considering the origins of the Republican party.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:27 PM

Sadly he will not.

Over 10 million democrat party votes have already been purged from the rolls nationwide. Colorado has 2.5 million alone and the numbers will only frow higher.

The army has been brought into this mess with the depoyment of a brigade to apprehend terrorists who would have formerly been called protesters due to te Patriot Act and other new laws of repression.

The stage is set bu McCain calling the ACORN FBI investigation "uncovering the the biggest scadle that will shred our entire democracy...when actually the Republican party with the help of US attorneys are quietly purging legitimate voters with new WHite House definitions of qualified voters.

Why 15% if the US voters will be denied to vote.
Investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
and Greg Palast
10-17-8

Don't worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.


- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.


- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging" ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.


There's more:


- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."


Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.

The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.

"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."


The investigators level a deadly serious charge:


"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Add another 5% of electronic voting machine schenanigans and Obama has a 20% margin to overcome.

McCain speaks not of winning the election but he uses the words "If I manage to pull this off"

He also spoke of the JFK assination face to face with Obama and called it an "INTERVENTION". Obama McCain debate quote

I think we can all see the writing on the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:35 PM

It's not the real result that counts, folks, it's the officially announced result. The official announced result (after all the blah-blah and mutual hatred) decides an election. It'll be interesting to see what the powers that be decide to make the official result this time. Whichever way they decide, many people on the losing side will cry "fraud!", and the chances are quite good that they will be right about that...regardless who "wins". They'll also cry "disaster!" They have to in order to justify maintaining their accustomed state of partisan hatred for another 4 years.

You can't govern a nation sensibly or reasonably, given such an attitude. It's simply not possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:40 PM

Donuel, if what you say is true and actually happens there will be literally blood in the streets.

Bought your bullets yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:42 PM

The McCain TV ads here end with "Americans, Stand up and FIGHT!"

there will be fights all right. Once again into the justice department. The Bush Justice Dept. is pronounced Just Us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1AcQzsc_uo&eurl=http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Oberman and Obama's lawyer on purging democrat votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:58 PM

Even the president of Iraq has been notified of the coming domestic "crisis" in the US.

Such information is not privy to US citizens even though we are the ones who will be playing it out as McCain, Bush and Cheney perpetuate the take over of the 'Untied' Satans of amerika.

The possibility still remains that the best and brightest behind the Obama campaign dould still head off the worst of the Bush McCain election coup.

We are still operating under a Rovian strategy that is designed to insure an uninterupted Republican White House for decades.
Only the economic disaster is ironicly on our side.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:59 PM

Now I better lighten up a watch Palin on SNL tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:03 PM

I take exception to the scenario you predict, Donuel. It will be a strong majority win for Obama.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:06 PM

I think with Amos. I think Idaho might even send a Democratic Senator to DC -- there's a chance of it this year, in place of Larry "Wide Stance" Craig.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:17 PM

I would make no bets and I can make no predictions, because you can't predict what the "controllers" will do...and they have the power.

If it were a relatively fair and honestly conducted election this time, yes, Obama would win. Will it be? Well, we'll have to wait and see.

They would have to be insane to blatantly steal an election for John McCain this time in the face of the subsequent dire reaction in America itself and in the world in general...or they would have to be arrogant beyond belief, and insane to do it.

They may be both of those.

We'll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:18 PM

Lock...six rounds, ball ammunition, load....

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:28 PM

And then? It's 1775 all over again...only King George is in Washington.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:43 PM

Ditto here, Amos.

For anyone who would like to read the entire article, it available online at Rolling Stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM

Testimony on vote rigging.

Regiszter anyway.

Double check your registration NOW.

Vote for Obama if you can. But Vote.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM

"Wait and see"

Hell, no!

Keep writing letters, talking to people, knocking on doors, dispelling lies and rumors, feeding staffers, working.

Did you vote yet? Our early voting started this week...

Don't dare sit back if you have any hope at all of his winning.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM

"Even the president of Iraq has been notified of the coming domestic "crisis" in the US." Donuel

Where is your documentation for that statement, Don? You are making serious charges- even if it is just passing them on - and I, for one, weary. Conjecture, fears and paranoia are all very well but put a foundation under it, please.,

So. Again. Where is the documentation for this statement: Even the president of Iraq has been notified of the coming domestic "crisis" in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: John O'L
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 11:16 PM

If Obama doesn't win it won't be just another eight years down the toilet, it will have been a fifty-to-a-hundred year opportunity that will have been wasted and the whole world will suffer immensely for it.

(Needless to say, we don't have a spare fifty-to-a-hundred years to lose.)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 11:22 PM

He'll probably win ... can't wait until this damned never ending carnival leaves town.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:34 AM

As I said somewhere (can't remember where), a lot of provisional ballots don't get counted. From the Rolling Stone article...

'In 2004, an estimated 3 million voters who showed up at the polls were refused regular ballots because their registration was challenged on a technicality. Instead, these voters were handed "provisional" ballots, a fail-safe measure mandated by HAVA to enable officials to review disputed votes. But for many officials, resolving disputes means tossing ballots in the trash. In 2004, a third of all provisional ballots — as many as 1 million votes — were simply thrown away at the discretion of election officials.'

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Barry Finn
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:40 AM

This will be the biggest Democratic landslide in recent history.
The "the Bradley Effect" will be over whelmed by the "reverse Bradley Effect". There have been reporters crawling though the rural & mountainous regions through out the US & beyond & they are reporting that most of what the rest of the US considers 'backwoods folks' are quietly saying that they're signing up as independants but they are voting for Obama but don't want anyone to know & it's even been discovered that a whole segment are telling others that they're voting MaCain but when they get to the polls they're gonna vote Obama, they just don't want their neighbors to know until after the vote. Obama bumper signs have been spotted on the backs of pickups that carry rifle racks with mooseye in the back of the bed. There's been a swelling campain that's aimed at saving the wolf & bear & another against vampires, even some tall ships with figure heads silver harpooning Palin through the heart, stone cold, isn't it!
Really & searingously now, it seems that many of the republican seats are gonna be lost to dem's along with the White House. The repub's are shaking & their fear is turning to deportation (they'll be singing about this one). As long as Bush & company don't start WWIII or pull off another 9/11 then they will be kissing their collective asses good-bye. This is a snowball effect, a falling of domino's, a groundswell building. Come the 5th of November we'll all wake to a whole brave new world & we will have our cake & we'll be eating too, & some of the old heads will roll red. The reports are coming in from every state that an overwhelming majority of the amazing amount of new young voters are signing up in droves as dem's, my 2 kids just registered as dem's along with all their old High School chums, it's going crazy up here in the once "Red State".

OK, call me crazy, call me batty, call me a dreamer you can even call me Willy but all my life I've been called pathalogicly affirmative but all my life I've been right. I was told 4 x's I'd die, I said NO, I'm still here, I said the war would be the biggest mistake since Viet Nam (check my posts) & that was on the day the second Bush got first elected, I said that the economy would be as bad when Bush was leaving office as it was good when Clinton left office. I just took a trip up to the north country, in my swing state of NH & where the Old Man in the mountain's face had recently fallen off there was the new face of Barack there instead. Way out west just north of the Badlands there was a report of a new 5th face on the side of Mt Rushmore, yup, it was the face of Obama, no one knows how it got there. At the Museum of Science, in Boston, they're opening up a new exhibit at the planetarium's observatory. They're focusing attention on the moon & the flag that the US planted there, it's saying "Vote for Obama, the man who'll save the Universe". If that's not a positive sign then God's gonna have to come down personnaly to the Mount & hold up 2 tablets that says "Fuck the Christen Right & Vote for Barack" & God's a black man, won't that be a shocker to some Christens, that'll drive the fundmentalist crazy, they won't know weither to shit standing up or rolling over. I'm saying it here & now, it's gonna be a brand new day. The Devil's gonna pay dearly come the dawning of the 5th, he's gonna rain hell all over the place, boy will he be pissed, & wait till some of those politicans fine out that the Devil's not red, he's white, they're gonna freak, he's gonna be keeping some pretty funny company, what a hot party that's gonna be.

Remember, you heard it here first at Mudcat,

from Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:49 AM

Hell Yes! It's in the bag or O. Why waste the gas to go out and vote? Just stay home an watch it on TV. All yer doin' is making Exxon richer and they just turn around and give it to the Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: kendall
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:28 AM

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who COUNT the votes decide everything." )Josef Stalin)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:25 AM

"pathalogicly affirmative"

I love it, Barry! I knew there was a word for fools (I mean folks) like us!

I just got a report on early voting here, and it seems real good : )

We won't be partying until the DAY AFTER election, but..... what a party it will be, here in North Caroina.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:47 AM

Barry - we believed that in the UK when we got the first Labour government in decades. But the conservatives would have been worse. RIght now is the time for the USA to stand against evil, or forget that it ever thought about the difference between good and evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:24 AM

The little islands of ignorant racism in this country are getting smaller and smaller. The racist holdouts are going to be finding themselves very isolated in the not too distant future. And then they're going to look just plain silly to everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM

The problem with yer thinkin', Justin, is that is based on the false premise that there is all this evil that can be conquered with yet more wars...

If we do a little review of Bush's foriegn policy:

1. Invading Iraq for no reason

2. Spurning Iran's overtures for diplomacy in 2003

3. Turning our back on the Isreali/Palestinian situation

4. Withdrawl from the Anti-Billistic Missile Treaty

5. Antagonizing Russia with the NATO Defense (haha) System

6. etc.

...it would appear that to most of the folks in the world that most of the "evil" is within "The Beltway" (you know, I495... Ahhhhhh, Washington, D.C.)...

So the best 1st step in dealing with evil is not vote for any more of it... Yeah, that's a good starting place...

B~

5.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: kendall
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:39 AM

Evil is relative. Give us some specifics, and why you think they are evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

Justin--

Go ahead and vote for Obama, man. You'll be right proud of yourself later on.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:01 AM

guest Justin is trolling from the UK, evidenced by other awful comments he posted yesterday that have been deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: curmudgeon
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

Justin says, " Wrong colour..." and   "... looks to me to be a shade lighter."

Can you say "Racist?"

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:40 PM

Dani....when I said "Wait and see", I sure as hell did not mean "sit on your ass and DO nothing while you're waiting"!

Geez. What I meant was that it's a bit vain to go stating absolute certainties about an uncertain future, but people do it because it makes them feel good.

As I've said, if the election is conducted fairly and honestly, Obama will win. If Bush doesn't engineer another 911 or another major war, Obama will win. If Bush doesn't declare martial law and suspend the elections, Obama will win. And there are other "ifs" too...but best left unsaid.

NEVER be so proud as to count your chickens before they are hatched, that is all I'm saying when I say "wait and see". Never assume entitlement is yours, but keep on keepin' on!

I hope that Barry is dead right. I hope to God that Obama wins and that none of the above hypothetical scenarios I alluded to above occurs.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:53 PM

We voted this morning...and he will take New Mexico easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:13 PM

He will probably win. The question is whether this is better for the US than having McCain win.


I will say we have a 30% or better chance of having a nuclear war ( two sides using WMD) before 1 August 2009 if he (Obama) does win.

Just my opinion- I hope all here vote for the candidate of their choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:14 PM

Seems like the closer we get to the election, and the more it looks like Obama will win, the more vicious and virulent is the racism we see oozing up from the muck.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:14 PM

IMO, it would be a good thing if Mudcatters denounced this guy from the UK. And it would be nice if he was banned from posting here.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:38 PM

That was a reference to Guest, Justin U. He posted racist crap that has been deleted. He is from the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:02 PM

Obama will win by a strong margin.

(Unless he does something crazy honest such as betraying Farm Subsidies, Inc., Archer Daniels Midland and the ethanol lobbyists before the election, or lets the cat out of the bag on budget realities.)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:05 PM

Why not 90% while you're making up figures, bearded bruce? I suppose the point is 30% is a figure that sounds scary, but not crazy scary.

The only two countries with a history of conflict, both of which have nuclear weapons, are Pakistan and India. Neither have governments which are certifiably insane at present.

AS for Iran and Israel, there is no possibility of Iran having developed nuclear weapons by that time, even if they are trying to do so, for which the evidence is about as confidence-inspiring as the stuff about Saddam's WMDs.

There are frightening possibilities obviously, there always are. But I'd feel a whole lot safer with Obama in the White House rather than with McCain. Or, God forbid, Sarah Palin. (And I see that General Colin Powell thinks the same.)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:10 PM

Ahhhhhhh, as fir chances of a nuclear war, McCain's recent sabre rattlin' over the Gerogian/Russian situation gives some indication of just how quick triggered McCain would be as president...

If, with Obama, there is 1 30% chance of a nuclear war than it has to push 100% with McCain...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:16 PM

I have no idea what line of reasoning BB uses on his probability of the WWIII scenario link to Obama...he had the same worries regarding Hillary, as I recall, and his line of reasoning there was that she would be much more likely to trigger such a war because of her psychological need to demonstrate to people that she's "tough" even though she is a woman... ;-)

I wonder what would be the supposed triggering factor that BB sees in Obama's case?

Anyway, it proves, as always, that the partisan mind sees whatever it believes in.

In McCain, I see a man who believes in confrontation and conflict and war. In Obama, I see a man who believes in negotiation, diplomacy, finding common ground, and maintaining one's cool when under pressure.

I know who I'd risk in the presidency, and it ain't McCain. He's still trying to win the war in Vietnam, and he sees life strictly in terms of fighting "evil enemies" as far as I can see. That makes him, in effect, a potentially quite evil man....very comparable in his psychology to the worst fanatics among the Islamic jihadists. Such people start wars, and they do it with absolute faith in their own rightness and great enthusiasm. They lead their own people to utter disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:51 PM

Thinkers present scenarios that could happen, perhaps with the fervent wish those things don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 05:22 PM

"I will say we have a 30% or better chance of having a nuclear war
( two sides using WMD) before 1 August 2009 if he (Obama) does win." bb

"Why not 90% while you're making up figures, bearded bruce? I suppose the point is 30% is a figure that sounds scary, but not crazy scary." McGrath

BeardedBruce, with the world in the mess it is in and with the extraordinary effort it will take to get us out of it, I would say that it is far more likely that there will be nuclear action because of it than from when Obama is in office.

In my opinion we have created or are responsible for an awful lot of the mess; as has been noted many times before, no one can envy anyone the job of trying to undo it.

If McCain should get into office it seems very likely that not only will the spiral downward continue but there will be new stresses added.

Why not 90% while you're making up figures, bearded bruce? I suppose the point is 30% is a figure that sounds scary, but not crazy scary

Go, Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: Will Obama Win???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 05:26 PM

He's still trying to win the war in Vietnam Perhaps even more significantly, McCain evidently still thinks that it would have been better if the USA had won in Vietnam, and that it was a right war to fight.

A good recipe for making mistakes in the future is an inability to recognise mistakes that have been made in the past.