BS: P.E. stops you being gay?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:49 AM

It seems that the homophobe is now arguing that being gay is congenital as opposed to genetic. Okay, let's say it is...
How is anything congenital a "lifestyle choice"?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:57 PM

One reason that geneticists have been reluctant to come on too strong about tying same-sex orientation with genetics or genetic components or a congenital condition is the fear that with so many people these days getting prenatal testing for the expected child (usually on the lookout for things such as Down's syndrome or other birth defects—or wanting to know ahead of time the sex of the child) is that if the parents know ahead of time that the child will be gay, they may opt for terminating the pregnancy. Abortion.

Now that same-sex orientation is perfectly acceptable to a large percentage of civilized people, the gay and lesbian people I'm acquainted with are perfectly happy with themselves and are leading normal, productive, fulfilling lives.

So what's the beef?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:46 PM

Eliza: "Perhaps the homophobics here are travelling down the road of 'identifying' gay foetuses in the womb and aborting (ie murdering) them to prevent the birth of (gasp!) yet another gay abomination. I DO hope NOT!"

Gawd, I hope not!...but you never know...if it becomes politically correct, who knows what they'll come up with!

As to the twins, not all twins are identical down to the last follicle. What I am say, (well not just me), is that the pregnancy has a lot to do with setting up certain systems of the fetus. Keeping in mind, that the moods and emotions, experienced by the mother, is directly connected to the developing fetus.
Now in the case of 'receptors', they have a MAJOR influence of perception...if the mother(or anyone), is perceiving an issue, that causes a mood swing, it does not mean that she is perceiving it accurately, BUT to her, her mood is accurate and real, and true. Regardless, the hormones released, are released as if the perception is real. These hormones have a direct effect on the fetus, in several areas, and can, and does shape elements of the predisposition of the child.
I don't think this is too hard to understand. For instance, expectant mothers are advised not to drink alcohol, or smoke during pregnancy, or take drugs etc etc. It is also wise for the father, to 'cover' the expectant mother. What I mean by 'cover' is being actively involved in loving both of them, and making sure that the mother is not overly stressed out, or burdened during this time. Some of the numbskulls may disagree with this, but a woman's body and psyche, are geared and hardwired, for bearing children. That SHOULD be honored and respected, nurtured and appreciated. Instead, we have sunk to the level of 'judging' a woman's worth, by merely her looks, or how she dresses or has 'sex appeal', rather than how she performs as a loving mother....which in reality, is the crown that she wears!!

More on 'receptors', shortly but I would like to address a certain moron, who worked his delusions up from political agendas, then turns them into his realities, then bad mouths everyone who doesn't subscribe to his delusions.....

Don Firth: "Goofball, that was a cartoon character expressing everybody's opinion of your competence as a family counselor, which you have claimed to be."

Yes, I'm fully aware that you are into cartoon characters. They inspire you!

Don: "Or are you a screen writer as you have also claimed to be?"

Yes, I have written both the screen version and playwright version....

Don: "Or write film scores as you have also claimed to do?"

.....and composed the music score as well!

Don: "And on the seventh day, do you rest?"

Some people esteem one day more than another....frankly, it's all one big day!

Now go waste some more of your time thinking of snot, and snotty things!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:17 PM

If a person is a happy, productive and contributing member of society, but they happen to be attracted to a member of their own sex, and if they happen to be happily partnered with another person who is similarly oriented—and if they in no way impinge on the lives of others in a negative way, then why should anyone else have anything to say about the matter?

The nature of their relationship is their business and no one else's.

And if someone else constantly yammers on about how "unnatural" or "immoral" or "disgusting" they are, that's their problem, not the problem of the same-sex couple.

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Guest from Sanity, the fact that if "gay" is in the title of a thread, you go for it like a moth to a flame says a great deal more about you than it does about the subject. I don't know what your problem is, but it's obvious that you are obsessed with the subject and you will do all manner of backflips and twists to avoid any idea that same-sex orientation is inborn, whether genetic or congenital, and insist that it is a free choice. Apparently, according to you, someone wakes up in the morning and says, "Gee! I think I'll be gay!"

I think the problem is that you are a closet gay and are terrified of coming out of the closet even to yourself, and are in severe denial.

And your hysterical response to anyone who insists that the scientific findings indicate that it either is genetic or at least has a genetic component, indicates your fear. You don't present any reasonable arguments against the scientific data other than to claim that it's "politics" and then you attack the person, such as me, posting the argument.

You attack me with childish insults and you go so far as to attack my family when you don't know anything about my family, and then on the basis of the fictions you concoct, you attack my moral character.

And as far as your other claims are concerned, if you are indeed a family counselor, you have established that you haven't the vaguest knowledge of the principles of psychology and are, therefore, a charlatan.

Screen writer and writer of film scores? I note that you don't mention the name or names of the films you have written or composed music for. And you may as well not try to bull anybody because one can easily look up that kind of information on the Internet Movie Data Base. Or is your script and music something you wrote on speculation and never got produced?

GfS, you are seriously in need of help.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 May 13 - 12:30 AM

Don, you post is so fucked up and loaded with putting words in people's mouths, I'd have to go line by line though it to point out your deluded deceptions.
The first part above the lines is not relevant. Nobody has said those things..except you, in saying they said it.

Below the line: Don: "Guest from Sanity, the fact that if "gay" is in the title of a thread, you go for it like a moth to a flame says a great deal more about you than it does about the subject. I don't know what your problem is, but it's obvious that you are obsessed with the subject and you will do all manner of backflips and twists to avoid any idea that same-sex orientation is inborn, whether genetic or congenital, and insist that it is a free choice. Apparently, according to you, someone wakes up in the morning and says, "Gee! I think I'll be gay!"

To bad you took it that way...it just shows how dumb you are.


Don: "And your hysterical response to anyone who insists that the scientific findings indicate that it either is genetic or at least has a genetic component, indicates your fear."

Actually this all started when, (if you remember), YOU were the one who was insisting that it was a 'Civil Rights' issue, the same as the civil rights movement based on the race issue of the 60's.....and I pointed out to you, that LEGALLY it couldn't be argued on the same basis, because the one during the 60's had to do with RACE, CREED or COLOR, as the law states....you went ape-shit trying to say it was 'genetic'...when in fact it is not genetic...and ever since you've been try to be stuffing words in my mouth, and arguing points that YOU bring up, in 'rebuttal' to things I never said..and then get into your bag of 'political trick tactics', to discredit, distract, and just be a dickhead. You care more about a political agenda..if it's right or wrong, you don't give a shit, based on facts, you don't give a shit, nor do you give a shit about the truth. If you remember, I posted "Go for the truth, and let the chips fall where they fall...but base you arguments on the truth, not a cooked up agenda, that got cooked up because of corruption. Now, is that too fucking hard?????

Don: "Then you say:
"I think ......"

There you go again....working without tools!

..oh, and I'm NOT a closet homosexual. (Stupid accusation)..besides, if I was wouldn't I be applauding you for making it 'cool' to come out of the closet???..but as it is, calling me a homosexual, as an insult to discredit, actually shows what YOU really think of them!!!! but maybe you haven't faced that reality, too...but then, if you blew off your two bed buddies, you might not have ANY friends...so I guess can see why you're so desperate!

Don: "And as far as your other claims are concerned, if you are indeed a family counselor, you have established that you haven't the vaguest knowledge of the principles of psychology and are, therefore, a charlatan."

Another stupid attempt at discrediting....You DON'T know me, and you really are making an ass of yourself....so shut the fuck up, about things you know NOTHING about. Stick to lying...THAT you know about!

Don: "GfS, you are seriously in need of help."

Should I take your advice...as from a learned, credentialed counselor??....or are you just having diarrhea of the fingers?

Don: "You attack me with childish insults and you go so far as to attack my family when you don't know anything about my family, and then on the basis of the fictions you concoct, you attack my moral character."

What moral character?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 May 13 - 12:59 AM

Your hysterical and frantic response is proof that my post was right on the mark.

'Nuff said.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 May 13 - 02:06 AM

What????...There you go again!!!

Hey, remember you said you weren't going to engage this kind of shit with me again???..more proof that you just lie your ass off, and try to turn it around. So do yourself and Mudcat a favor, and stop your crappy exchanges with me, just because you've lost your mind, argument, point and sense of reality..OK?
You can't post with me without your ever growing nose interfering, and hitting extra letters on the keyboard!
I know it will be rough on ya', but you keep diverting the thread with your putrid, pedantic, political punditry...The politicizing of distorted takes, on the agenda driven 'findings', is a completely stupid waste of time, not to mention, you've been shot down virtually every time.....THEN you maintain that I haven't been a counselor, which if that was the case, you must be really a lot stupider than you take into account, being eaten alive by a 'charlatan'!
Fact is, this is NOT a contest. It SHOULD be an exchange of information to get to the truth....which if I'm correct, back in the 60's, your age group just 'didn't get it'...and still don't!
Idiots like you is what the 'peace movement' rebelled against, and you guys just adopted...or tried to adopt, the language....but still, just never 'got it'!

GfS

P.S....and still haven't!!!

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 May 13 - 02:32 AM

Yup! Really got him pegged.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 May 13 - 05:47 AM

Don, I agree with every word of your 06.17pm post. I would add that even NOT being 'happily partenered', but instead embarking on a course of rampant promiscuity, a gay person has every right to conduct their sexual lives as they wish. I often feel that strident and vicious verbal homophobic attacks by posters here (and elsewhere in the real world) may stem from an innate tendency towards homosexuality, of which the poster is deeply ashamed and in denial. The 'cause' of homosexuality (or any kind of sexuality!) is totally irrelevant. Whether it is a conscious 'choice' or an inherited or congenital 'condition' is absolutely of no importance or concern. It certainly does NOT need to be 'prevented', 'cured' or 'corrected', what a cheek! I have always loved cats, even as a toddler. I'm drawn to them and have always had several as pets. My mother was the same. Whether I was 'born' with this love or 'copied' my mother or 'took it upon myself' to be a cat-lover is neither here nor there. It does no harm, it gives me joy and I defend the right to be so. What pray is the difference, when you look at it objectively?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 May 13 - 05:50 AM

Partnered - my arthritic fingers won't behave on the keyboard this morning!

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:43 PM

Eliza: "a gay person has every right to conduct their sexual lives as they wish...."
Being as the issue is what people do with their REPRODUCTIVE organs, does that mean Including procreation with each other????

Don, you haven't 'pegged' anything..if anything you are coming apart at the seams!
I guess you think if you 'pronounce it' it becomes fact....look up 'delusional'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:06 PM

Eliza has the right of it.

And once again, GfS, your hysteria betrays you;. You've totally lost any objectivity you ever had and think you can make your arguments true by attacking and insulting me. The last refuge of person who knows he's dead wrong.

Crawl back under the sink where you belong.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 May 13 - 09:31 PM

A parable for the totally clueless:

Mrs. Slocum walked the whole nineteen miles down from the mountain cabin that she shared with her husband and eighteen children to the settlement infirmary. She was heavily pregnant and about to deliver.

She had made this journey every year since she and her husband had married.

After she had the baby, the doctor wrapped the newborn child in a blanket and handed him to his mother.

"Well, Mrs. Slocum, that's number nineteen, right?" said the smiling doctor.

"Yup," responded the taciturn Mrs. Slocum.

"Then I guess we'll be seeing you again next year," remarked the doctor, as she prepared to leave for the nineteen mile trek back up the mountain.

"Nope!" said Mrs. Slocum.

"Oh?" said the doctor, "You're not going to have any more children?

"Nope!" said Mrs. Slocum. "We found out what was doin' it!"

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People do not fall in love and get married for the sole purpose of having children. They fall in love because they find each other sexually attractive (they're wired that way), because they like each other (which is a component of, but not quite the same as love), and because they take pleasure in each other's company and have sufficient interests and beliefs in common to want to spend their lives together. Sexual activity and the pleasure it gives is natural part of such a relationship. And children are a by-product of sexual activity.

That's nature's way of perpetuating the species. But perpetuating the species is not the responsibility of every, or any particular, married couple.

However—if having a brood of babies were the only reason for getting married, then why all the research into, and the large market for, reliable birth-control products? Why do married women sometimes get abortions? Why do married people sometimes go to great lengths to be able to indulging in sex without having children?

Although children can be a wonder and a delight, and are usually wanted by married couples, sharing a life together means far more than the desire to have children.

And some people, for one reason or another, cannot have children. Does this mean they should not be allowed to get married and share their lives?

Childless couples are not always bereft of children.   Often there are nieces and nephews, neighbor's children, children of friends. And it's not at all unheard of that a childless couple can be better friends to a child than his or her own parents!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 May 13 - 10:39 PM

Don's off on another tangent again.

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 May 13 - 10:48 PM

Here, Don, Chanty Lass has some words, that may concern you!

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:13 AM

You're funny, GoofuS.

Skitter back under the sink now, like a good little cockroach.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 May 13 - 11:18 AM

...and thank you Mr. firth, for your in depth analysis.


Now go consult with your political hacks, as how to twist and manipulate the truth, and demonize anyone who calls you on it.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:42 PM

But I don't want to steal your rountine.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 May 13 - 03:47 PM

Don: "But I don't want to steal your rountine."

Now are making up words, TOO?????
Jeez!...And I only thought you did it to facts!

GfS

P.S. "Good night, Gracie"

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 May 13 - 03:56 PM

You know, you can make more out of a typo than anyone I know of.

But then, that's all you've got.

Goodbye, Goofball. You're boring me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 May 13 - 04:29 PM

Finally!.....Again.....and Again!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans respectability
Date: 12 May 13 - 03:58 AM

Just get a room?