BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:47 PM

Don Firth

I had not noticed that you even bothered to read the posts before commenting on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

""The outside agitators came.
They burned some churches and put the blame,
On decent southern people's names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of niggers and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would've told us if we'd done wrong.""

Outside agitators like the WHITE guy in the story that follows:

""On Sunday, 15th September, 1963, a white man was seen getting out of a white and turquoise Chevrolet car and placing a box under the steps of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. Soon afterwards, at 10.22 a.m., the bomb exploded killing Denise McNair (11), Addie Mae Collins (14), Carole Robertson (14) and Cynthia Wesley (14). The four girls had been attending Sunday school classes at the church. Twenty-three other people were also hurt by the blast.

Civil rights activists blamed George Wallace, the Governor of Alabama, for the killings. Only a week before the bombing he had told the New York Times that to stop integration Alabama needed a "few first-class funerals.""

THAT folks is the US Southland that the rest of the WORLD sees, and it hasn't apparently changed a bit.

Here's the latest vigilante, with a record of violence including three accusations of assault, one of assaulting a police officer while resisting arrest, one accusation of sustained and persistent child abuse against a member of his family and, because he is getting bolder, being apparently teflon coated, escalation to killing an innocent teenager, and getting away with it with the connivance of white Florida authorities.

A shameful and despicable blot upon everything that America is supposed to stand for.

TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY!

Tell THAT to Trayvon Martin and his grieving family.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

And I also wonder about Songwronger, who does the same thing, not to mention Goofball, who follows on what Songwronger and beardedbruce post, adding nothing but "Yessir, yessir, three bags full."

They're Mudcat's version of Beavis and Butthead, followed around by an obsequious Spongebob Squarepants.

Don't these people have anything useful to do?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:52 PM

Don Firth,

And yet you accept Greggie boy as a self-appointed "Liberal Voice"without any complaint?


You are sicker than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:53 PM

""So does Zimmerman get his gun back now? Any restrictions?""

Of course he does! It's his inalienable right as an innocent man. Whiter than white,.....for the moment at least.

Besides the real white Florida might need Teflon George (nothing sticks) to do it again.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:57 PM

BTW, more on the potential black juror struck by the PROSECUTION:

In case you were wondering, Skolnick is not a Zimmerman supporter or a conservative.

Besides being hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons' political director and the co-president of GlobalGrind.com, he's also on the board of directors of the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

That said, it appears black jurors were only going to be acceptable to the prosecution if they were liberals getting their "news" from Zimmerman-hating media outlets.

Martin supporters should keep that in mind as they complain about the makeup of the jury.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:58 PM

""You get real...if you want to end racial hating, then end it!
These IS another way!""

Yep! You can have "Welcome Massa Boss! tattooed across your chest and lay across the Southern Gentleman's doorway.

He'll wipe his feet on you and love you for being a Good Boy.

Thank Christ I live in the UK where having black friends doesn't scandalise the neighbours or frighten the cattle.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

"Martin Luther King Jr's niece Alveda King made some comments Monday about the aftermath of the George Zimmerman verdict that people on both sides of the aisle should heed.

Appearing on the Steve Malzberg Show on NewsMax TV, King said the NAACP was "race-baiting" and trying to stir up "racial anarchy" by pushing for the justice department to prosecute a civil rights case against Zimmerman.

STEVE MALZBERG: There's all kinds of calls from the NAACP and everyone else on that side of the issue for a civil rights case to be brought against George Zimmerman. Do you believe that that would be helpful?
ALVEDA KING: It is not helpful to race-bait, NAACP and all of those other organizations who also support abortion, who also support the destruction of natural marriage and family. So we need to wonder why they're doing that, what kind of checks and money they're getting behind the scenes to stir us up into racial anarchy when we should be speaking nonviolence, justice, peace, and love as Trayvon's parents are doing by the way.
And so I believe that we need to ask why they're race-baiting, because they are, and therefore I don't defend they're issues. "Oh, this is a race problem. It's all of that." No, this is a human heart problem. We need to approach this in prayer, we need to be nonviolent, we need to learn from this lesson so that Trayvon Martin, many years from now when we remember, will say that's the time in American history when people realized that something was very wrong in America, a young man died, and America went on her knees. That's really what I'm trying to get across."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:08 PM

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.
Zimmerman's anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.
Since Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February -- in what he insists was self-defense -- Zimmerman's family has pointed to his efforts to "get justice" for Ware in response to people around the country who have accused him of racially profiling the 17-year-old. Zimmerman is Hispanic; Trayvon Martin was black.
Trayvon Martin's girlfriend's testimony Audio evidence in Trayvon Martin case New video shows Trayvon Martin Geragos: New documents hurt Martin case Criminal expert: Zimmerman will go free Last images of Trayvon Martin alive 'Stand your ground' plea rejected
HLN: Zimmerman wife talks publicly for the first time
Last year in September, Zimmerman wrote an e-mail to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee saying, "In the past, I have not had a positive perspective of Sanford Police Department, due primarily to the Sherman Ware incident."
A video from the night of Ware's beating showed Justin Collison hitting the young man. Collison ended up pleading guilty to misdemeanor battery
Zimmerman's outrage over the incident was clear at the public meeting the previous January.
Attorneys in Zimmerman case want evidence sealed
"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line," he said at the hearing. CNN obtained a recording this week.
He mentioned Brian Tooley, who was Sanford's police chief at the time of the Ware incident. "I'd like to know what action the commission intends on making in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension. I'm not asking you to repeal his pension. I believe that he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up and corruption and what happened in his department."
While Zimmerman is not heard specifically mentioning Ware in the recording, the official minutes from the hearing state that citizen demands included "a full review of the Sherman Ware cover-ups on behalf of" Sanford police.
Public outcries of police misconduct forced Tooley into early retirement. He was not charged with illegal activity.
Despite his previous frustration with police, the September e-mail included thanks to Lee and praise for the department's "professionalism."
The e-mail, eight months after the public meeting, shows a significant shift in Zimmerman's relationship with police, months before officers responded to the Trayvon Martin shooting.
However, a spokesperson for Lee said in a e-mail to CNN that the police chief "has never met Mr. Zimmerman and does not know him."
"The email Chief Lee received in 2011 was not unique among the numerous complimentary emails Chief Lee has received from Sanford residents," Sara Brady wrote. "As is his practice, Chief Lee responded to a positive comment from a citizen. Based on comments that Mr. Zimmerman is reported to have made in a public forum before Chief Lee was hired, it is not likely that Mr. Zimmerman would have endeared himself to members of the police department."
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the death, which sparked nationwide protests and inflamed public passions over race relations and gun control.
Inconsistencies in Trayvon Martin case
Critics of the case have questioned his relationship with police, noting that Zimmerman worked closely with officers as part of his work with the neighborhood watch program he started.
The January 8, 2011, recording from the meeting at Sanford's City Hall is a reminder that the relationship wasn't always positive.
"I also have had the opportunity to take ride-alongs with the city of Sanford Police Department and what I saw was disgusting," Zimmerman said at the time. "The officer showed me his favorite hiding spots for taking naps. ... He took two lunch breaks and attended a going-away party for one of his fellow officers."
Zimmerman prosecutors release evidence list
Sanford Police Capt. Robert O'Connor told CNN that the department does not have specific details about when Zimmerman rode with police or whom he rode with, "if in fact he ever did ride with SPD."
In the September 18, 2011, e-mail, obtained by CNN after a records request, Zimmerman said he had "a completely new perspective" after working closely with the department's community volunteer coordinator.
Donations pour in to Trayvon Martin's killer
He praised the volunteer coordinator's quick responses to e-mails and phone calls, saying she went "above and beyond to help launch a neighborhood watch" and calling her "a testament to the highest level of professionalism of (the chief's) administration."
"I have high hopes for, and restored faith in your administration and the Sanford Police Department in its entirety," he wrote.
Sanford interim Police Chief Richard Myers declined comment to CNN, but told the Miami Herald newspaper in a written statement, "Based upon the questions being posed, it would be inappropriate for any of us to speculate or conclude anything gleaned from the recording or any e-mail documents.
"Neither the city manager nor the interim police chief were with the City of Sanford at the time the recording was made, and neither were here during the tenure of the former chief cited in one of the questions," the statement said. "As a police chief I embrace the notion that transparency helps build public trust, but in this case, the need to preserve the sanctity of a criminal prosecution for both the prosecutor and the defense requires us to eschew making any comments that could taint the process."
Documents released last week showed a cordial relationship between Zimmerman and the police.
New documents shed light on Trayvon Martin killing
Beginning in August 2011, Zimmerman exchanged e-mails with the Sanford police department at least three times, the documents show. A rash of burglaries that began in July prompted the watch captain to ask the police department to host a neighborhood watch presentation for members of the community.
Zimmerman's e-mails with Sanford police show a pleasant, even friendly, relationship. In an e-mail dated September 19, Sanford police volunteer coordinator Wendy Dorival thanked Zimmerman for his "kind words" sent to the chief. He responded, "It was with great pleasure that I sent that e-mail, you deserve the recognition!"
Police records indicate that five burglaries were documented in the neighborhood where Zimmerman lived in less than three months, starting in mid-July.
Five months before the Martin shooting, at the neighborhood watch meeting on September 22, Sanford police distributed contact cards and hosted a presentation on crime-prevention and security measures, according to the documents. Some of the fliers distributed read, "Report suspicious persons ... activities ... or vehicles." Another reads, "Know your neighbor" -- going on to issue advice on how to "profile" your neighborhood block.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:15 PM

Lot of long stuff above that I have not read - but

BRUCIE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR - SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED. GO AND FUCKING CHECK. CUNT.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:20 PM

Hey, beardedbruce has posted more interesting posts, whether you agree with them or not, than the rest of the nonsense posted by his attackers COMBINED. Greg, very rarely posts ANYTHING of 'news value', at all... just one liners filled with his resistance to carry on a decent exchange. Bobert is out for blood, regardless of the facts, just so long as it goes with his backwoods southern opinions of 'kill whitey', and Don is just there to keep the momentum going. Don T, foams and froths so much, you can't make sense out of any of it...other that he is an expert froth and foamer!
Rarely are the topics posted by Bruce, actually discussed, just dismissed, amidst political vitriol.
All I want to know, is, Is your music that discombobulated too?..No thought, no continuity, no sense??

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, justified?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, just?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, justice?

Is the violence spawned by the verdict, just more stupid acts?

What is the point of fanning hatred, resentment and divisions? The verdict is in, the prosecution lost, because they forced a political agenda, instead of methodically proceeded to prosecute for the crimes, because they were crimes....and now the political crybabies are whining, and planning more violence, because they're all such 'peace loving' haters with an agenda...anything to stir up confusion, just to be able to 'offer' a 'solution' of more oppression, though they will argue otherwise.
The verdict is in, get over it!..and whether you agree with it or not, at least TRY to act like a mature adult!
The media driven obsession of this case, while ignoring a shitload of other crimes of violence and murder, speaks VOLUMES regarding exploitation of bias, that the media either helps create, or stirs up. YOU can be influenced and controlled by it if you want, and you can be proud that you can't think for yourselves, you can ignore the facts, and replace them with emotionally driven opinions, but you also should never think that people should take you seriously!..and your heightened emotions mixed with anxieties about it, just advertizes, that can't think for yourselves and have control over it!
...and then you act so 'indignant' that people won't take you seriously!
..I mean if you won't listed to a friend telling you that...who will you listen to??..the media????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:23 PM

Brucie, I don't let anybody make up my mind for me. I read the news and make up my own mind, based on what facts are available.

Too bad more people don't do the same thing.

Don Firth

P. S. And Don T., I live in the Pacific Northwest, up in the upper left-hand corner of the country. It's not that we're free of racism here, but the vast majority of people work and play alongside people of different races with no problems or strife.

When I worked at Boeing some years ago, my supervisor was Japanese-American. When I transferred to another division to do engineering drawings for a new airplane (the 747 jumbo-jet), my supervisor was black.

At other jobs, I've had co-workers of different races and ethnicities, and there was no srrife or signs of prejudice. In fact, I found the diversity stimulating and educational.

Those in other parts of the country who are blinded by racial barriers in their own minds are depriving themselves of a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:25 PM

Typo:..last sentence should be 'listen' , not 'listed'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:29 PM

Firth: "Brucie, I don't let anybody make up my mind for me. I read the news and make up my own mind, based on what facts are available."

PERFECT!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:33 PM

Richard,

"BRUCIE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR - SERINO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RECOMMEND THAT Z BE NOT PROSECUTED. GO AND FUCKING CHECK. CUNT."


I checked, and you are wrong.

"he lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
"
What part don't you fucking understand, SFB?


Got to hell, you scumbag liar.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeWQYhZ1CS0


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeWQYhZ1CS0

z"SANFORD, Fla. March 27, 2012
The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense."


Or can you provide some source for your error to make it misinformed rather than being a total shithead?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:37 PM

As usual, the Liberal Voices not only lie about what was presented as evidence, they lie about what is posted without regard to the documented facts.

Richard "checked" and found that he was wrong- so he lied about it. Typical...

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM

And of course, Goofball, you don't think the news is a reliable source of facts. Well, to a large degree, it isn't. But when reading and listening, one must consider the integrity of the sources, compare different reports, and determine what is most probably true and hold the rest in abeyance until further evidence is available.

With diligence and thought, one can usually ferret out the truth.

I learned to do that on the job. In fact, my job depended on my ability to do this.

Your brand of instant assumption and conclusion-jumping just wouldn't have cut it. The station manager would have booted your ass out the door right after your first newscast.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:46 PM

Richard,

A decent person would apologize, but I don't expect you to even try to qualify as decent- it might damage your "liberal credentials".

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM

"Zimmerman's brother also stated that the family is worried that the Department of Justice is being pressured by special interest groups to open a federal investigation into the case.

"I think Eric Holder is being pressured by some groups who were calling for, initially, just an arrest. These same groups keep moving around the goal posts: the NAACP, Al Sharpton, the Rainbow Push Coalition with Jesse Jackson." Zimmerman noted.

"First they wanted just a simple arrest and that's it, have his fair day in court and whatever the verdict is, we'll respect it. Then when the verdict was coming they wanted him to be found guilty. But the verdict isn't what they wanted, so now they're moving the goal post again, and calling on the Department of Justice to investigate him more." the brother added.

"I understand the Justice Department's responding to pressure," Zimmerman continued. "But I think that the American people need a little bit of time to digest those two words 'Not Guilty.' It doesn't mean nothing happened. I think most of the people who were upset with that outcome didn't actually pay attention to the trial." "

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 03:22 PM

In Chester County, Pennsylvania, police are investigating graffiti on a building before it was set on fire: "KILL ZIMMERMAN." Firefighters were called to the scene of the fire at ProSigns, a company manufacturing commercial signs for business, and found that phrase spray-painted in red on the front of the building. The firefighters put out the fire without significant damage. The fire has been ruled arson.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 03:49 PM

Firth: "Your brand of instant assumption and conclusion-jumping just wouldn't have cut it. The station manager would have booted your ass out the door right after your first newscast."

My brand of instant assumption and conclusion-jumping just wouldn't be instant assumption and conclusion-jumping. yours is IF it co-insides with your predisposed biases...isn't that how YOU decide what the 'facts' are??..what you 'decide to believe' or not?

but you are right about one thing..."

"And of course, Goofball, you don't think the news is a reliable source of facts. Well, to a large degree, it isn't."

Right! Give yourself a gold star on your forehead!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:06 PM

Goofball, the gold star on your forehead is shining through your belly-button.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:13 PM

America cares about power and money. You want the stand your ground law overturned, boycott Florida products. They'll lose the law soon enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:43 PM

Finally!!..A constructive post!

..but keep in mind, the 'Stand Your ground' statute was NOT entered into this case, by either the prosecution, nor the defense...it was talked about, but not part of the defense's trial evidence, just for your information...nonetheless, it could be done away with, without infringing on anyone's 'rights'. Self defense should be able to cover the necessary defenses, when employed legitimately...that's up to the jury to decide, on each individual case.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:59 PM

Here's another part of this injustice that we really haven't talked much about: karma...

Yep, Zimmerman may have won the Southern injustice battle but his karma is fucked...

I predict that Zimmerman will end up losing the war... Not sure how it will play out but you can take it to the back that it will play out... Got O.J and it will get this creep, too...

As for his fan club here??? They got some messed up karma, too, to live with...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:01 PM

Thanks, Beardy, for your bigoted anti-Black rant of 16 Jul 13-01:37 PM
about a quarter-century old irrelevancy.

It DOES however clearly illuminate your real opinion of Black folks. And you have the unmitigated chutzpah to call other people racist? Fascinating.

As I correctly surmised, had Martin been Jewish, you'd be carrying the noose and leading the mob after Zimmerman yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:30 PM

""Too bad you can't follow the facts. You are showing your obvious racism here.

"Given that Serino ddidn't want to prosecute Zimmerman, Hell! He didn't want to investigate him, he just wanrted to release him and forget the whole thing, just how much credence should have been given to pro Zimmerman testimony from this half baked imitation of a cop?""

The prosecution of Zimmerman was a farce from start to finish. There was no lawyer present who intended to secure a conviction.

And the man who, having not a single idea of his own, has stuffed this thread with cut and pastes of other pewople who share his distaste for convicting a man who, after all, only shot a black. It's not like he killed a human being, is it Bruce.

And you have the nerve to call me racist.

My attitude would be exactly the same if it were a black vigilante strapping on a gun and looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

Can you say the same, given that you won't even discuss the possibility that a black kid might feel afraid when accosted aggressively by a non uniformed stranger, and act in self defence.

I think it is obvious who is the racist here, and it's you.

Now post another copy of a full page screed that you already posted three days ago.

It's all you're good for.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:44 PM

""supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals.""

foundations, corporations and members of the richest one percent.

Oh that'll be alright then.

No vested interests there............?

Sheeesh!
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:54 PM

Posted by Beardedbruce:

"Don Firth,

And yet you accept Greggie boy as a self-appointed "Liberal Voice"without any complaint?


You are sicker than I thought."

Bruce, anyone who spends as much time gleaning the web for the vast volumes of racist propaganda that you cut-and-paste here--well, they don't come much sicker than that!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:57 PM

Where does beardedbruce get all the time to read, then copy-and-paste all this stuff?

He doesn't actually READ it beforehand, Don, if he recognizes a few known keywords he just chucks great gobs of horseshit about whether its relevant or not. Volume is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:59 PM

I predict that Zimmerman will end up losing the war...

I wish I could believe & take comfort in that Bobster... but it comes real hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 06:45 PM

John Oliver explains Florida gun laws

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 06:59 PM

Greg F: "As I correctly surmised, had Martin been Jewish, you'd be carrying the noose and leading the mob after Zimmerman yourself."

As I correctly surmised, had Dylan been Jewish, you'd be carrying the noose and leading the mob after Yoko Ono yourself.

GfS

P.S. I..I...er,...I...J-just COULDN'T resit it!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 07:02 PM

The quality of argument has gone from poor to puerile.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 07:31 PM

There is no argument here...

There are two very different ways of looking at the world...

Some are fearful they will become a minority and won't be able to rule the others so they are intent on "stand-you-ground" to protect them from an emerging majority... Very narrow thinking... Wouldn't it be smarter to try to get along that to build higher fences??? Guess not...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:00 PM

Too bad GfS doesn't know the difference between resit and resist, or worse, between it's and its. (see 16 Jul 13-2:48 AM). His remarks would seem much more cogent.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:11 PM

GfinS and cogent???

LOL...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:03 PM

I thought you could read typonese...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:58 PM

LOL (deja vu).

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:47 PM

We in NEW school now. Don't care about Israel bombing the Russians in Syria. Justice for Trayvon.

Bobert's victory celebration

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:51 PM

Bad link. His party's here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:03 AM

The first one might have been a 'bad link', 'cuz the second one is the same one..I couldn't tell the difference...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:31 AM

Just go to Youtube and type in "walmart stormbed by trayvon supporters." Bobert's in there somewhere, or his spirit is.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:44 AM

You know, if George W. Bush had used the federal government to go into a community and agitate for protests over the killing of a white man by a black man, and then stepped in front of the cameras and said the white man looked like the son he might have had...

Obama's the worst racist I've ever seen in my life. The absolute worst. He even trumped Al Sharpton with that "Could've been my son" stunt. Sharpton gets paid to spew his racist hate (it's his meal ticket), but Obama's supposed to be the president of the United States. The UNITED states. He's an absolute travesty as president.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:56 AM

Stoopud!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:01 AM

"stormbed"? Didn't find it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:59 AM

Chicago Defender - "mere days after the shooting, Det. Serino felt there wasn't enough evidence to arrest, let alone file charges against Zimmerman."

Conservative Treehouse.com "Ultimately the FBI interviewed Serino and he told how and who pressured him. We presented that highly revealing interview then and here it is to help you understand:

"He listed Sgt. Arthur Barnes, Rebecca Villenova, and Trekelle Perkins as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident."

Law of self defense.com "Well, we already knew from Chris Serino's testimony yesterday that he was under considerable outside pressure to bring charges against Zimmerman:

Zimmerman Trial Day 6 – Analysis & Video – State's witness Chris Serino seriously undermines charge

We also know from the FBI report of their interview with him that he felt such charges were unwarranted:

Zimmerman Trial: Evidentiary Flashback: Investigator Serino Tells FBI He Was Pressured to Bring Charges

But did you also know that Investigator Serino, a law enforcement office with 30 years of experience and obviously deemed competent enough by his superiors to lead a cross-departmental investigation of the Trayvon Martin shooting, was demoted to patrolman after he failed to recommend second degree murder charges against George Zimmerman?

120626 Christopher Serino demoted to partrolman – CBS News"


Wikipedia "On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman, though Serino maintains he did not believe they had the evidence to support those charges and that manslaughter was only included in the capias in order for the prosecutor's office to continue with their own investigation."

Wikipedia again "On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account, that he had acted in self-defense. "The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says.""

Orlando Sentinel "Said Serino, "The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman. … We did not have enough for an arrest warrant.""



There. That didn't take long to check did it, Brucie

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 07:54 AM

Richard,

FROM YOUR POST:
Wikipedia "On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman,

ANfd how do you explain away my postings?


MY statement is true- He did recommend manslaughter charges, for wjatever reason.


YOU are a scum sucking liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:05 AM

The jury made the "right decision" in the George Zimmerman murder trial, former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday.

"I think the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented, because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman that he was not at all defending himself, and so forth," Carter told Atlanta news channel WXIA. "It's not a moral question, it's a legal question and the American law requires that the jury listens to the evidence presented."

Carter said he agrees with President Barack Obama and accepts the jury's decision. "So President Obama said he thought - it was — he regretted the decision, but he had to accept the results of the jury decision," Carter said.

"But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken," the statement said, although it didn't mention anything about Obama regretting the decision as Carter suggested.
When asked if the trial says something about the state of racial relations in the United States, Carter said he feels America will put aside the feelings about the past.
(PHOTOS: Trayvon Martin rallies)
"I've seen outbreaks of this before, in California when a man was beaten up by police and when Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated; there were terrible race riots. And I think eventually no matter how deep the emotional feelings and moral feelings might be, with time passing, we start seeing what we can do about the present and the future and put aside the feelings about the past," Carter said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/jimmy-carter-george-zimmerman-verdict-94320.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:06 AM

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