BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

""OK, Don T...the big question is, WHY do YOU think it was designed to fail?...and, How far up do you think it went?

Here's your shot, go for it!""

Notwithstanding the presence of locally elected black officials, Florida is a state which is condoning, if not actively encouraging, a creeping return to the days of segregated schooling, and other aspects of the old Jim Crow culture.

Now I have a question for you, and I have absolutely no idea of what the answer will be (just to show that I am willing to be proved wrong).

In the Zimmerman case, how many black people, and how many white, were involved in the investigation and in the trial?

We already know that Florida's take on twelve good men and true, leaves men out of the equation, halves the number to six, and balances one black with five white.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:48 AM

Greggie,

"
Cosby...says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives

But that doesn't mean that there WEREN'T racist motives, does it BullshitBruce?"



And I don't KNOW that you and Bobert didn't string up blacks back in the 50's and 60's- but that does not mean I should accuse you of it...YET.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:58 AM

"and balances one black with five white."

The Prosecution removed a black from the jury, because he watched FOX TV-

MARK NEJAME, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: And that's what we were saying from the beginning. You know, sometimes I've been criticized by some who don't understand that a legal opinion is very different than a personal, a social, or a philosophical opinion. When you look at the composition of Seminole County, it's eleven percent African-American. And when you look at Sanford, it's 30 percent African-American. So when you subtract Sanford from the overall Seminole County, you have, you know, a very, very small minority, specifically African-American representation within Seminole County. So when in fact you condense that down to a jury, the odds of getting an African-American on the jury are very slim when you're in Seminole County.

COSTELLO: Although if I remember correctly one of the prosecutors struck a black, a potential black juror from the jury.

MICHAEL SKOLNICK, POLITICAL DIRECTOR TO RUSSELL SIMMONS, CO-PRESIDENT GLOBALGRIND.COM: Yeah, he was also, I was just, he was also a Fox News watcher. So that was, you know, problematic for the prosecution.

In case you were wondering, Skolnick is not a Zimmerman supporter or a conservative.

Besides being hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons' political director and the co-president of GlobalGrind.com, he's also on the board of directors of the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

That said, it appears black jurors were only going to be acceptable to the prosecution if they were liberals getting their "news" from Zimmerman-hating media outlets.

Martin supporters should keep that in mind as they complain about the makeup of the jury.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:05 AM

"
The woman was part of a six-person, all-female jury that found Zimmerman not guilty.
As the first juror to speak about the case, she offered insight into what happened behind closed doors.
The jury was initially split -- three and three along the line of guilt -- she said. Juror B37 was among those who believed Zimmerman was not guilty from the start.
There was one holdout, the juror said.
"She wanted to find him guilty of something, but couldn't because of the way the law is written. He wasn't responsible for negligible things that he had done leading up to that point," she said, stressing that she and the other jurors took their responsibility seriously."



http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/us/zimmerman-juror

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:13 AM

""YOU STATED: "
The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction"""

From your own post 3 for conviction, and one who wanted to quit.

So you are counting the wish to leave as a "not guilty".

I don't think it says that anywhere in your post so the impression YOU gave was three to two and that's what I said.

I've been through the interviews from end to end and seen no 3,2,1 mentioned.

Also it is reported that the vote on the verdict in the end was four to two, so not everybody thought as you do, that Zimmerman is innocent.

This case takes one back to the days in the nineteenth century when killing Chinese, Mexicans and especially Indians was not considered a crime, and even free black men couldn't by a drink in a saloon.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:14 AM

Well said Jeri !!!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:19 AM

Ahhh guys while you are name calling , the trial is over, he cannot be re-tried not in America .. Italy yes but not America. So it is what it is. If you want to blame someone blame the proscution. Murder two was never going to win .. manslaughter he would have won (I think) There was never a defined winning strategy for Murder Two unless there were other witnesses.

The justice system sometime doesn't do its job well and other times it does. Example, a big gun doctor in Buffalo. Golfing at his country club slamming down his scotch. Races home in his BMW , hits and kills a young girl on a skateboard. Never stops. He got off hired the most expensive big gun lawyer ... said he never knew he hit her yet his car is F'd up and the girl was torn to pieces. He gets off, the teenage girl should not have been on the highway one juror said ... What the F is that about.

Justice is sometimes, completely blind but it is what it is

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

Oh and the doctor example, they did find him guilt of DWI ... Wow what punishment for killing a young teenage girl and leaving the scene huh ..

all the picking, talk shows, bullshit commentators ain't going to change the Zimmerman outcome its over

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

What one who wanted to quit?


There were 6 jurors.

The one who spoke out stated that originally,
there were two that thought Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter
and one who thought Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder.

2 + 1 -=3 , "three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

The REMAINING THREE thought Zimmerman was innocent.

Thus "The jury was initially split -- three and three along the line of guilt -- she said"


YOUR claim that "The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction." IS FALSE and a lie.

Are you pretending to be stupid, or are you really that dense???

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:36 AM

At least six people were arrested Thursday night in San Bernardino after rocks and bottles were thrown and officers and pedestrians were attacked in a protest against the George Zimmerman trial verdict.

The incident began about 8 p.m. as marchers moved south along Highland Avenue and were joined by others not initially involved with what was a peaceful protest at that point, according to police.

Protesters ended up at a Jack in the Box restaurant near Waterman Avenue and Baseline Street and began hurling rocks and bottles at passing vehicles and officers who arrived at the scene, said Lt. Mike Madden of the San Bernardino Police Department.

"They just saw the opportunity for civil unrest," Madden told the Los Angeles Times.

Officers gave orders to disperse. At that point, groups of people took off running and began attacking and robbing pedestrians, according to police.

Two of the six people arrested were taken into custody on suspicion of strong-arm robbery, Madden said.

Police late Thursday were still monitoring roving groups of people in the streets.

"It's been a relatively active evening," Madden said.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:39 AM

Thanks, biLL.
Dan, for these...
... people, Mudcat = hate. This is where they come to spew, and that's all they care about. That's why the fighting lasts past any attempted discussion of subjects. I wish we could quarantine them, but about all I can do is be grateful I don't have to be around them in Real Life and can not read most of their posts here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:41 AM

GfS, I never heard of Biff until you posted a link here. Then I listened to all his songs on youtube and Molly is my favorite. It's so bittersweet.

Coincidentally, my sister died in a car accident 23 years ago this July 29th. Even though I was 28 at the time, I look back on that event as the real end of my childhood.

So there you go. Now we can both cry :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:47 AM

"Also it is reported that the vote on the verdict in the end was four to two, so not everybody thought as you do, that Zimmerman is innocent.
"


Where is this reported? I have not seen this- please ( politly requesting- you may have seen something I did not) provide a link, as all the reports I have seen indicate that the jury had to agree on a verdict, and all 6 did so- not guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:11 PM

The verdict was indeed unanimous.

Which means that the three jurors who initially *wanted* to convict were finally persuaded by the testimony and the forensic evidence that they were wrong. That's how jury deliberations work. I've been on a jury.

By the way, Jimmy Carter has come out in support of the verdict on the basis of precisely that testimony and evidence.

Case closed.

I wish.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:14 PM

Red Queen...I met Biff in Venice, California back in '68.. Truly a gifted man! He still is alive, living in Louisiana, I believe. I'm glad you listened to the songs!!..Mudcat could learn a fer things from them!!
He saw right through the 'left/right' illusion WAY back then!
BTW, I have another expression about that, but I didn't get it from 'Biff'(Paul),,"Right wing and left wing are on the same bird!"

Also, Bruce posted a comment, any comments on that??

Bruce: "Got to do something to get out the vote in 2014- Obama might well have a Republican Senate and House the last two year of his presidency.
Better race riots and martial law than that!"

Don Firth, in a post posted previously said that Obama would still be president in 2017....

Well, at least there is some common ground between the two sides...and NO comments?????????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:27 PM

The Prosecution removed a black from the jury, because he watched FOX TV-

In the light of several studies, BullshitBruce, that confirm that people who watch Faux "News" are considerably more ignorant, uninformed, misinformed and confused than people who watch no news at all, I think the removal was entirely appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:29 PM

the three jurors who initially *wanted* to convict were finally persuaded by the testimony and the forensic evidence that they were wrong.

OR they just wanted to get it over with, already, and go home. That's ALSO how juries work.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:34 PM

Greg, you're stretching so far, that you've re-confirmed that you are completely irrelevant...so much, that you are really 'hurting' the others who hold your position.
Just thought I'd tell you.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:45 PM

Thanks, GeistInsanity. Now bugger off home, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, president of the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny (BOND), a conservative nonprofit, made some contentious statements on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" on Thursday. In addition to lambasting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for inserting race into Trayvon Martin's death and George Zimmerman's subsequent trial, he called the 17-year-old shooting victim a "thug."

The exchange began with Peterson claiming that race played no role in the highly-publicized tragedy.

"This case was not about race at all and what happened - you have the race-hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth," he charged.

Peterson also targeted President Barack Obama, calling his past comment about Martin ("You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon") "insane."

These statements, he said, were intended to "incite the anger of black Americans and others."

Morgan, clearly in disagreement with Peterson throughout the interview, asked if Zimmerman would have taken the same deadly action had Martin been, say, a white individual in a hoodie -- someone like Facebook billionaire Mark Zuckerberg. Peterson, not willing to back down, said that he believes the situation would have ended in the same manner.

"If the situation that happened with Trayvin and George had been the same, yes ... I imagine that the same outcome would have been the same," he said. "George Zimmerman would have done whatever it took to protect himself. It didn't matter to George Zimmerman the color of the man."

The interview became contentious when Peterson proclaimed that "Trayvon Martin was a thug." Morgan fervently disagreed and took exception to the fact that the faith leader said that everyone, including the television host and Martin's parents, knew this assertion to be true.

Morgan said, "Don't you speak for me," noting that "there's very little evidence that Trayvon Martin was a thug."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: pdq
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:02 PM

Overposter known by "the F word" has posted 243 times in the month of July.

I have posted 10 times, before this one.

Perhaps Jeri and the gang can put a limit on the number of posts for some of the "usual suspects".

That will not improve the quality of their posts, just the quantity.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

Greg F has posted some 5 times since I asked him what questions these are, that I have not addressed.

If even the UberMensch can't tell me, maybe his claim is ... another scumsucking lie?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:07 PM

PDQ: "I have posted 10 times, before this one."

Please post more often, you have good input!

Regards!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:27 PM

So PeeDee- you want to censor free speech? No surprise coming from a Fellow Traveller of BullshitBruce. How many postings of irrelevant horseshit has HE made?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:29 PM

Here, look it up yourselves!!

CNN.com - Transcripts
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/28/ijvm.01.html   Cached
No justice, no peace. TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON`S FATHER: ... and Trayvon`s mother is very upset that ... saying this had nothing to do with race, and of ..."

transcript of interview

So what is it the 'pundits' know more about this???????????

THAT BEING SAID:

It is being used by VERY evil people to promote violence, discord, bigotry, divisions, and hatred!

If it WAS about race, I'm sure the mother would weigh in that it was...she didn't, she is directly contradicting the assholes trying to manipulate it..READ IT YOURSELVES!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:34 PM

BullshitBruce, The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is a certified right-wing fundagelcal "christian"[sic]lunatic, as anyone who is able to use the internet search engine of their choice can discover in about 5 seconds.

Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what he has to say?

Just another BullshitBruce barrell of horseshit, signifying less than nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM

Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what UberMensch Bobert or you, Greggie boy, have to say?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM

And then, tell me why you don't think it worthwhile to listen to what blacks have to say unless they agree with you?

Sounds like you are admitting your racism, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:49 PM

Or is it that you and UberMensch Bobert don't bother to listen to anyone who presents a viewpoint you do not agree with, regardless of race?


What a perfect example of the "Liberal Attitude'.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM

Hmmm...more Florida justice...

http://sdvoice.info/black-woman-gets-20-years-for-firing-shot-at-wall-white-man-

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:01 PM

The FBI has ordered the Sanford, Florida Police Department not to return George Zimmerman's gun to him while a federal civil case against him is still pending. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the request is a clear indication that the U.S. Department of Justice is moving forward with its investigation as to whether Zimmerman violated the civil rights of teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012, the night of Martin's death.

The Raw Story

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what UberMensch Bobert or you, Greggie boy, have to say?

Nice collection of horseshit & spittle, BullshitBruce, but you didn't answer the question.

Is that because you know that the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is even more full of shit than you are? - hard to believe tho that may be....

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:15 PM

It is because I respect the opinions of others, when they can support their opinions with factual reasons.

Especially when they are black ( in cases of suposed "racil" rpofiling)- which it seems you do not

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:34 PM

President Obama on the trial:

"You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African- American community at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it's important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that -- that doesn't go away.

There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me.

And there are very few African-American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me, at least before I was a senator. There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And you know, I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it's inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear."

Full remarks here

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:49 PM

Thanks for the latest truckload of horseshit, BullshitBruce, but you STILL haven't answered the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 04:08 PM

Thanks for posting that, bodad.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 04:52 PM

I just read the full text of Obama's remarks and they were right on...

His views of hold-your-ground laws are consistent with my own... They do not make people safer... They make people engage in hostile, violent acts who normally wouldn't think to do so... It puts murder on the list of options for conflict resolution and a major step backwards for our society...

Of course the NRA will blast out their usual phoney statistics as if they are based on reality but just remember who it was that used it's political clout to stop the CDC from accumulating stats on gun violence... That alone should tell you that the NRA's stats are bald-faced lies...

But back to Obama... Very nice speech and thank you for laying it out the way it is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:05 PM

"Stand your ground."

Wasn't that the Dodge City ethic back in the "good ole days?'

Lets all practice our fast draw.

(Careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:36 PM

Wasn't that the Dodge City ethic back in the "good ole days?

Naw, that was Tombstone, Arizona. vide Paladin - have gun, will travel..

Welcome to the 1880's - Disneyesque living "history"[sic] is all the rage.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:10 PM

Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson inhabited Dodge City, Kansas circa 1886. Then they moved west when things got too quiet there.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:38 PM

Dear Greg and Bruce.
I have done a lot for both of you and I have called both of you friends. Now I am putting my EX Cop, EX government hat on and say if you don't stop calling each other names, I am going to kick the shit out of both of you .. and trust me I can do it .. knock it off, shake hands and behave. Nobody was there, it is what it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:47 PM

Bruce, Greg knows a lot about pocket watches, You want to learn more about them and are interested, he can also help you.

Greg help Bruce with learning more about Hamilton's and their history.

a heck of a lot better then beating each other up

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:58 PM

Make music, not war!

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 07:02 PM

Yeah, I thought that was a really honest speech Obama gave.

I thought I posted this AM but it didn't through. Good news feature.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/19/203306999/How-To-Fight-Racial-Bia

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:20 PM

20 years after graduating one of my former black students still sends me a fathers day card every year "to my other dad". One of my best friends is a conservative Amish guy .. you don't have be part of any culture or belief or whatever to be friends.

agree to disagree .. that is fine. Lots of conservative republicans don't buy into my somewhat independent way of thinking, nor do my democratic friends and family .. but does it really matter no. People can disagree and that is fine but fighting when it changes nothing is silly. If you were members of the jury yes ... but it is over

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:37 PM

No, Ol'ster, it ain't over...

It wasn't over when O.J. got away with murder...

It's never over when justice isn't served... Never... We don't get over injustice... We suffer with it until it is righted...

Here in North Carolina there is a military doctor who has been in prison for the last 30 plus years... He was convicted of killing his wife and two young daughters... Problem is that he didn't do it... But he's still in prison... He's lost his entire family and over 30 years of his life...

No, injustice is never over...

BTW, this doctor is about to get a new trial...

BTW, Part 2... How many men have been exonerated of crimes they were convicted of 20, 30, 40 years ago and now DNA says they were innocent??? It's been hundreds...

No, injustice is never over...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:40 PM

we fight in this community, we call names (me too) and I am sorry I lose it sometimes. We gotta be better people. Ya know what, in the Amish community English are really not welcome, they do business with English but keep a large distance between them. Ya know what else, a Catholic is like Satan the worst of the lot. Ya know happens when I stop by their Bishop's home, a smile,   you must take some tomatoes and beans home to your family. Always a pleasure to see you come back soon we miss you. Why ? cause they got to know me and don't care about the other stuff. They no longer see an English Catholic only Dan

if we all do that to each other, imagine how great mudcat could be with all of the smart people and gifted talent we have here

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:50 PM

Yes, becoming more civilized is always the goal of intelligent people...

So is real justice... No justice = no liberty = no freedom = oppression...

We gotta get it right...

Florida didn't get it right and that is not acceptable... Not now and not tomorrow...

This must get fixed... This is something we can't walk away from like watching a bar fight where both guys are going to wake up tomorrow...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:51 PM

Make music, not war!

Will this do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCWZDgy7XAE&sns=em

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:02 PM

What we need Bobster is to write our Congressmen and push for a federal law on handgun carry. it will go a long way I think. Too many states have such screwed up laws. Florida is one, if you can breathe and have no record sure here is a carry permit. Like some people should not own a car, some people should never be allowed a firearm. All it would have taken is "I am from the neighborhood watch what are you doing here" I bet everything would have been fine but sadly that didn't happen. This situation is over but we can try to prevent another from occurring if we try our best to push for federal control