BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 10:22 AM

""Nor if he hadn't gone back, broken Zimmerman's nose, and "pounded" his head on the sidewalk.""

A claim for which we have only Zimmerman's word, and the next day the fairies had taken away the bush from which he claimed Martin ambushed him. In fact it was one of a number of lies told by Zimmerman.

""Zimmerman didn't chase him, at least according to the phone-call timeline, and didn't strike him, at least according to the autopsy.""

No, he didn't, because Martin wasn't running. He said on the phone he was being followed.

Zimmerman did hit him! With a 9mm slug! After that fists were superfluous.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 12:20 PM

Bobert: "Martin Luther King was very puzzled about "hippies" because they were pretty much apolitical and just wanted to be left alone..."

Damn hippies!....(hey, maybe they were onto something...or maybe just on something)

Does being an old radical and bragging about it, make you block-headed and proud of it, or just block-headed for a long time?...because you ARE a bit extreme, when trying not to deal with either facts or reality.

Don T obviously didn't watch the trial...he made up his own mind without one..who needs evidence?? or witnesses??..NOT Don!

Look guys, the whole thing was a sham, from even before they held it, and the politicizing it, by your buddies, even fucked it up more. It was designed to fail, and play to YOU, the audience. Legally, the verdict WAS the correct one, so no real damage there, but idiots are still trying to get mileage out of it, all this while keeping the truth of the assault by Trayvon, out of the light.
You can believe or disbelieve any fucking thing you want, and you have shown that you do. more of the real story is breaking, but you don't care....matter of fact, the FACT that you don't care about the circumstances, as fucked up as they be, just shows that people with big mouths, and no care, really don't matter, at all...just mall people with big mouths hoping to be heard...with nothing to say of any substance!
So, get over it(you didn't give a shit anyway)...and blather on.
Oh, and keep ignoring the truth of the whole story...it makes for better blather!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:06 PM

OMG. I've been busy being ill. Can't believe this back and forth is continuing, despite the fact that I participated in it earlier on. Legalities aside, Trayvon will be considered a martyr, someone convicted of his own murder. Zimmerman, at best, will be thought a fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:41 PM

Hi, Elmore...welcome back to the mental ward!
I happen to agree with you on the legal front...and I still maintain it was a chain of stupidity, and over-hyped bullshit, promoted by the wannabe zealots of civil rights nostalgia!...besides, it's now come out that Trayvon instigated the actual ILLEGAL assault on Zimmerman, thinking he was going to pound the shit out of what he was convinced, by his girlfriend, that the guy following him maybe a homosexual rapist! The wannabe 'so-called liberals' are in a tailspin over it..who do they support?..the Homosexual community from homophobes?..the black community, because they're used to beating that drum??...Hispanics?? because it's a new drum, they don't like as much, but it's still a drum that makes noise, ..unfair trial??..but it was THEIR guys who withheld evidence and fucked it up for political controversy..'stand your ground' laws, that were not even used in the trial..the rule of law?? which didn't fall their way, so it must be a Tea Party plot,...stricter gun laws?...because Zimmerman had one, but Trayvon's picture with one doesn't count...after all, he's a black homophobic wannabe gang member, who just didn't take it with him that night, notwithstanding a minor...yeppers, them there liberal stereo whiners are whining out of both sides of their mouths.
A don't have a pig in the race..just tried to point it out to them that they are in the position of a political used rubber...fucked over AGAIN!
Personally I just wish they'd contain themselves...and everything in it!....but if you do spread it around, the male hormone in it DOES get rid of cellulite on women!

Until the next bit of nonsensical indigestion...(and maybe not)..

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:50 PM

Jayzuz!!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

Well, as the NRA always points out, if Trayvon Martin had had a gun he'd be alive today. Lapierre has said that in this case, hasn't he? No? Oh, I wonder why.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:08 PM

And if Zimmerman hadn't, he might not be.

Most complicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:10 PM

Well, that's a start if you're trying to pray for a way out of this bullshit!!
Welcome back..I knew as soon as the waters were tepid enough you'd worm your way back......you really do have a mess on your hands...(see the 'Rupture' thread!)

GfS

P.S. Oh, by the way, "Jayzuz!!!" is not really a salient argument, it's just another feigned knee-jerk re-action, as if there is something to object about...but you don't know what it is...Do you, Mr Jones?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:06 PM

And if Zimmerman hadn't, he might not be.

Most complicated.

Actually I think that if Zimmerman had not had a gun he would likely have stayed in his truck like the dispatcher told him to and none of us would have ever heard of either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM

Hey, I agree with KB on that one....just like I agree with the FACT that after Rachel Jeantel told Trayvon, after she told him that Zimmerman was probably a 'homosexual rapist'(her words), that he should run, run away....either one of those things could have avoided this sordid ordeal!

By the way, the DoJ is not going to bring more charges on Zimmerman, they're just placating the left, until things die down, and people's attention spam(about that of a mayfly), wanders to 'other things'.

That being said, Zimmerman's 'karma' is going o punish him far worse than a prison sentence!
Happy now?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/19/203342650/double-take-toons-lessons-from-zimmerman

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 12:40 PM

Zimmerman's 'karma' is going o punish him far worse than a prison sentence!

Fatuous nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 12:49 PM

""people with big mouths, and no care, really don't matter, at all...just small people with big mouths hoping to be heard...with nothing to say of any substance!""

As a piece of spot on accurate self assessment, that is bloody brilliant.

I couldn't possibly have found a better description of you.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/for-the-aclu-george-zimmerman-case-is-awkward-deja-vu-94518.html


The American Civil Liberties Union is experiencing some uncomfortable déjà vu.
George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of black teenager Trayvon Martin has triggered the specter of an awkward and often raucous debate the group thought it had put behind itself two decades ago.

After the 1992 acquittal of Los Angeles police officers in the videotaped beating of African-American Rodney King, ACLU leaders split sharply over the possibility of a federal trial for the officers. The group eventually suspended its policy opposing double jeopardy — only to reverse itself the following year.

A New York Times editorial back then called the ACLU "torn by internal disagreement." A Boston Globe column described the organization as "twisting itself up in knots."
The heated debate highlighted one of the ACLU's challenges: It is perhaps the nation's foremost advocate for civil liberties — but it also has a long history advocating for civil rights.
More than 20 years later, President Barack Obama's comments reacting to the Zimmerman verdict dwelled on race while calling for respect for the trial process and the jury verdict.

"The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner," he said Friday. "The juries [sic] were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that's how our system works."
Meanwhile, the ACLU's first public reaction drew notice in some quarters for leaning heavily toward racial justice — while staying silent on civil liberties and due process in the Florida case.
"Last night's verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity," ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement on July 14, the day after the Florida jury's verdict. "This case reminds us that it is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime."

The statement went on to call for additional federal guidance on the use of race in law enforcement and for a new federal law aimed at ending racial profiling.
But it was the specific reference to an "imperative" for DOJ to investigate under criminal statutes — an apparent endorsement of the calls of many civil rights activists and groups for a federal prosecution of Zimmerman — that threatened to reopen old wounds.
That call came even though the ACLU's long-standing policy, restored in 1993 after the King debate, explicitly rejects such an option. "There should be no exception to double jeopardy principles simply because the same offense may be prosecuted by two different sovereigns," the policy says.
(Also on POLITICO: 'Justice for Trayvon' rallies continue)
Romero's statement stirred concern among some civil libertarians that in a rush to join the chorus of outrage over the Zimmerman verdict, the group had turned its back on the policy it settled on two decades ago.
In an apparent attempt to stem the controversy, a top ACLU official wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday to make clear that the group does not favor a second prosecution of Zimmerman in federal court.
"We are writing to clearly state the ACLU's position on whether or not the Department of Justice (DOJ) should consider bringing federal civil rights or hate crimes charges as a result of the state court acquittal in the George Zimmerman case," Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU's Washington office, wrote.
(WATCH: President Obama's full remarks on Trayvon Martin)
"The ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case," she wrote.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:58 PM

Thanks Jack The Sailor for keeping this thread alive. It's a fitting memorial to Trayvon, and his wonderful family.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:37 PM

Don T.: "I couldn't possibly have found a better description of you."

Something to reflect upon.

(He won't get it!)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 07:47 PM

On the other thread Lighter - who speaks as if he witnessed the entire murder - says he heard the entire testimony...

Here's the obvious question:

1. Did Martin rain MMA down on Zimmerman as one witness says or...


...2, Did Martin slam Zimmerman's head into the concrete???

You can't do both, people... One motion require you to punch down and the other grab the head (no punch down) and use the head and concrete as much different???

Hmmmmmm???

Seems like Lighter doesn't have a clue what happened...

BTW, as a former martial arts enthusiast with an ex who was also a sensei if I had 10 seconds on top of Zimmerman the damage that was shown in the pics ain't squat... I would have turned his head into hamburger...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:50 AM

Give it a rest, will ya'?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:28 AM

Obviously BOTH (emphasis) ,Bobert.

Martin initially was punching, then started pounding- at which point Zimmerman, in fear of being killed, pulled out the gun and fired one time. That is in accord with all testimony.


YOUR (emphasis) capabilities in causing bodily harm are not in question- but you CANNOT ( emphasis) claim that Martin was un-trained AND (emphasis) capable of the damage YOU (emphasis), a trained person, could do.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:42 AM

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue-174553647--abc-news-topstories.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:08 AM

Was he packing heat?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:12 AM

Sorry, please ignore the above childish stupid post.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:16 AM

george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue

You bet Beardy, the post-trial white-washing campaign has begun. Pretty soon they'll start a campaign to canonize him.

This whole incident couldn't possibly have been stage-managed by the County Sheriff, who wouldn't arrest Zimmerman in the first place, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:19 AM

Yes, of course Mud-KKK would rather just move on... This was the case after lynchings in the South back then...

"Move along, people... Nothing to see here", they say...

Problem is that there is something to see here and millions of people ain't going to just let the KKK have its way in 2013...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:36 AM

Seems like Bobert doesn't have a clue what happened...

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM

by Megan Gannon, News Editor 3 hours ago
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George Zimmerman claimed he was acting in self-defense when he shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black …

The American public is divided, largely along racial and political lines, over George Zimmerman's acquittal and the conversation it has sparked about race, according to a new poll.

The survey by the Pew Research Center drew from phone interviews with 1,480 adults across the nation conducted July 17-21. Overall, 42 percent of respondents said they are dissatisfied with Zimmerman's not-guilty verdict in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, compared with 39 percent who said they are satisfied, and 19 percent who offered no opinion. About half (52 percent) said the issue of race is getting too much attention in the aftermath of the trial, while 36 percent think the case is generating a necessary discussion about race.


http://news.yahoo.com/wide-racial-gap-reaction-zimmerman-verdict-112952910.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:18 AM

So, before we flagellate ourselves over the Zimmerman case, let's take an objective look at how we compare – racially – to the rest of the world.

Big surprise here – there is no comparison! And, to my doubting liberal friends and others, I ask you to – as I have done – go live (not just travel) outside our country for a while, in the East or the West. See how other nations around the world have dealt with racial issues.

In short, most of them 1) haven't and 2) don't. Some examples:

Japan, just for example, is probably the most racist "modern" society in the world, yet we never hear a word about it. Don't believe me? Go there and see, Jesse and Al.
Most minority races in Europe still live mostly in racially and ethnically segregated ghettos; and there is very little assimilation/integration of the races. Jesse and Al: Go to Germany, just for example, and see.
There is no such thing as "affirmative action" anywhere but here.
Religious and gender oppression/persecution is the rule in most Middle Eastern countries following strict Muslim religious rules. So, I would urge Jesse and Al to go there and see – just for example – how the Christian minorities are doing, whatever their race or ethnicity.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/07/22/trayvon-martin-and-racism-at-home-and-abroad

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:23 AM

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-justice-department-pursue-a-civil-rights-case-against-george-zimmerman



Several reasonable discussions- being reasonable, I am sure that Bobert and Greggie will use their usual tactics ( approved by liberal everywhere!) of attacking me or the writers.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM

"A federal prosecution against George Zimmerman would violate civil rights under the guise of enforcing them, a betrayal of the justice system that is supposed to be our refuge from politicized law-enforcement.

The state trial in Florida elucidated that concocting a murder case out of the tragic shooting death of Trayvon Martin, in the face of compelling evidence that Zimmerman acted in justifiable self-defense, substituted demagogic racial politics for proof. The jury properly rejected the prosecution's shoddy case, which was bereft of the requisite demonstration of intent to commit murder and had no answer for Zimmerman's well-corroborated claim that Martin attacked and severely beat him.

Though it is hard to imagine, a federal civil rights indictment would be even more frivolous than the state murder charge. It would suffer from all the same insufficiencies: Zimmerman's lack of intent to harm Martin physically and the inability to refute compelling self-defense evidence. But that would only be the start of the Justice Department's problems.

[See a collection of editorial cartoons on the Trayvon Martin tragedy.]

In the criminal context, federal civil rights law imposes even tougher burdens for prosecutors when it comes to mens rea – i.e., proof of criminal intent. The government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not only that Zimmerman intended to inflict physical harm on Martin but that he also did so out of racial bias.

There is not a scintilla of evidence that Zimmerman has ever been a racist, much less that racism played any part in the shooting. After hearing all the prosecution's evidence, the Florida jury concluded that race was irrelevant to the case. And reportedly, the FBI has been unable to uncover any indications of racism, despite an extensive investigation of Zimmerman. Racism is the prism through which the Left would convert this tragedy into a morality play. It defies reality."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:36 AM

Justice Department lawyers should not attempt to prosecute George Zimmerman for the death of Trayvon Martin.They likely won't succeed, and would probably compound the awful precedent set by the state of Florida in pursuing this case over objections from the lead criminal investigator, police chief and the community's prosecutor. These missteps were followed with a decision to bypass a grand jury.

All the safeguards protecting Americans from political or unwarranted prosecution were missing, allowing this train-wreck of a case to proceed. If the feds follow suit, they will head down the same path of an unjustified prosecution – re-establishing, nationally, a practice not seen since Woodrow Wilson pursued his political goals through abusing federal prosecutorial authority. Wilson's use of the Espionage and Sedition Acts to arrest and silence critics as well as the media rolled back the clock on constitutional rights.

Like Wilson era abuses, today's Justice Department must distort the meaning of hate crime statutes to charge Zimmerman. First, prosecutors lack a definitive finding that Zimmerman is, in fact, a racist. After interviewing 35 people – including co-workers, neighbors and even an ex-girlfriend – an FBI investigation failed to find proof that Zimmerman's actions were racially motivated on the night Martin died.

[See a collection of editorial cartoons on the Trayvon Martin tragedy.]

Even the so-called profiling issue disintegrates upon closer review. The lead detective in the case told the FBI that Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because of his clothing and the time of day – not Martin's ethnicity.

With its own investigatory arm already doubting any racial animosity, it makes prosecuting the matter as a hate crime extremely hard. But it gets harder. The next hurdle requires finding Zimmerman's specific intent to kill Martin. The jury in Sanford established Zimmerman was acting in self-defense when his gun discharged. Zimmerman intended to protect himself from death or great bodily harm. With murder in the second degree and manslaughter on the table, jurors found Zimmerman not guilty of both. While not dispositive, it creates a difficult hurdle to overcome.

Finally, unlike the judge who all but embraced the prosecution of Zimmerman, a federal judge is likely to be truly neutral. Recognizing the importance of protecting all citizens, federal courts will review any new charge with a jaundiced eye. Evidentiary rulings and a host of procedural hurdles would likely make the case stillborn at the earliest stages. Issues from Martin's use of the term "cracker," testimony from unreliable witnesses and Martin's drug impairment at the time of the incident will be far more relevant in federal court.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:52 AM

""Martin initially was punching, then started pounding- at which point Zimmerman, in fear of being killed, pulled out the gun and fired one time. That is in accord with all testimony.""

1. Not Zimmerman's testimony on the night of the murder, when memory was fresh. IF Zimmerman mentioned the change from bashing his head against the concrete, to MMA pounding, it wasn't until after the witness made that statement to police, which the defence would have known.

2. If that were the case, Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known just how to counter and would no longer have had reason to fear serious harm or death.

3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free.

What does that tell you about Bruce?

Don T.

Domn T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:06 PM

"Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known"

Your evidence of this? The testimony of the person that Zimmerman went to to be evaluted for said training said he was a 0.5 on a scale of 1 to 10. He was never trained.





What does this say about Don?

Liberals lie even when there is no need- they must like to do it.

I have to judge all liberals by the ones here, since no "liberal" ever disagrees with them or holds them to account for their lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:06 PM

"Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known"

Your evidence of this? The testimony of the person that Zimmerman went to to be evaluted for said training said he was a 0.5 on a scale of 1 to 10. He was never trained.





What does this say about Don?

Liberals lie even when there is no need- they must like to do it.

I have to judge all liberals by the ones here, since no "liberal" ever disagrees with them or holds them to account for their lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:08 PM

Just another episode of Beardy Blogarrhoea, Don. He apparently can't help spreading irrelevant horseshit by the truckload. Dont let it bother ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:12 PM

A mixed-martial arts (MMA) trainer testified for the defense on Monday that George Zimmerman "didn't know how to really effectively punch" even though he had trained the former neighborhood watchmen for over a year.

"He was just physically soft," Adam Pollock told the court. "He was an overweight, large man when he came to us, and very pleasant — a very nice man, but physically soft. He was predominately fat, not a lot of muscle, not a lot of strength."

Under cross-examination, Pollock admitted that Zimmerman could have lost as much as 80 pounds and had a body mass index as low as 16 percent at the time that he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/08/zimmermans-mixed-martial-arts-trainer-testifies-he-was-physically-soft/

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:16 PM

Don,

YOU state:



3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free.



Care to back that up? Or are you too much of a scumbag to justify your lies?



Should I give details on how much support you have given to the Nazis?, and how you support their actions against Moslims and foreign nationals?

I have as much evidence as you do of your accusation.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:33 PM

Another outpouring of specious bollocks from the champion of white supremacist cut and paste.

The Zimmerman trial ended in acquittal under the legal system current in the US, and under that system, the jury had no option but to acknowledge reasonable doubt, and acquit.

The legal system works fine when that jury is cognisant of ALL EVIDENCE RELEVANT TO THEIR DELIBERATIONS!

In the Zimmerman trial, this was emphatically not the case.

Evidence of Martin's prior character and attitudes was allowed without hesitation by the judge, to be presented to the jury.

Similar evidence about Zimmerman's antecedents was, with equal alacrity, hidden from them.

Such evidence, of his previous violent nature and record of domestic violence and assault on police, could not fail to have given pause to the jury's belief in his sincerity and honesty.

Both were pertinent to the jury's perception of events, but they were not permitted to know.

While a defendant's previous criminal convictions cannot (rightly) be permitted to influence juries and so is inadmissible, evidence of character and attitude cannot be justly excluded, unless such evidence about the victim is also excluded.

This was not the case.

Trayvon Martin was the victim, not only of an overambitious vigilante, but also of the hangover of the Jim Crow society which would never allow a white man to be punished for killing a black.

There is no other possible reason for the skewing of the case put before the jury, by excluding anything that would cast doubt on Zimmerman's unsupported version of events, while painting his victim as a drug using thug.

The degree of bias in that is too obvious to ignore, as is the fact that Zimmerman chose not to testify in court, being either terrified of being cross examined, or terrified of showing his real self to the jury.

An honest man would not have feared testifying.

A murderer walks free by special dispensation from White America, and Bruce can cut and paste all the thinly veiled anti black propaganda he likes.

It will not alter the truth.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

""Should I give details on how much support you have given to the Nazis?, and how you support their actions against Moslims and foreign nationals?""

Well Doctor Goebbels, you post one anti Muslim comment of mine or shut the fuck up.

I have supported Muslims throughout this forum against the anti Muslim Keith A, and that is a FACT you prick!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:53 PM

"Well Doctor Goebbels, you post one anti Muslim comment of mine or shut the fuck up."

Waiting on you to shut up first- show me one thing I have posted to justify

"3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free."

Or continue to wear that swastika.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

Look Bobert, (and other wannabe -'so-calleds', calling people on here the 'MudcatKKK' is about as absolutely stupid and childish as calling you a Pol Pot devotee. You think, or claim, or something like that, that white on black crimes are the epidemic of the age. Well guess what?...93..got that?..93% of murders of blacks are black on black crimes....but you don't give a shit!..NOR are you crusading to stop, or stem that tide...nor do you give a rat's ass about Chicanos killing other Chicanos...or gang violence, or thefts, or the disproportionate number of fatherless black children, and abortions to blacks..where is YOUR crusade about ANY of that???...and none of that shit is caused by whites, reds, yellows, browns or even pinks..(but they all dig da' blues), oops, drifting here.....surely there is something REAL you could be doing for them, besides trying to generate hate, bias, bigotry or any other name you want to call it, in the geriatrics ward of the internet! You'd think, that in our time on the planet, that wisdom, whatever we let settle, like dust on our head and shoulders, would be able to cause better, than bitching at each other..just to get some sort of deranged satisfaction of proving a pointless point. So what??(as Hillary Bush said)...so, as everybody jumps up and agrees with you, and you feel GREAT that you proved your point..then everybody goes to another topic to bitch about something else..meanwhile DOING NOTHING, about something that they had nothing to do with, in the first place!!!
Personally, I don't think there is a person in here, that 'hates', discriminates or is in any way fucking with blacks at all...nor any other race or ethnic group. It just ain't happening. Bruce does his cut and paste bit, from sources that a lot of you would be to lazy to even look up, and you guys just bash the shit out of him, for NO fucking reason. You ought to read the posts, and check out what he is saying..OR at least research parts you have questions about, or disagree with....other than the inane crap that comes from the likes of Greg. How come his ignorance doesn't bother you??? You guys agree with each other, he never posts an intelligent post countering anything, just calls stupid and bigoted names at Bruce, including anti Semitic remarks, and you agree with him...you sure don't admonish him for exhibiting the bigotry that you say, that blacks are dealing with..and Greg's the poster boy for making the 'so-called' left look like a bunch of stupid fucking Obamanoid idiots! ..Speaking of which, you jump all over Zimmerman for 'lying'..but when Obama does it, you get wet dreams! So is it 'lying' that really bothers you? It doesn't bother Don T...he just hides behind a cloak of stupidity..you can't get mad at him...only feel sorry for his condition!...along with that other iconic heap of crap on wheels..people who just stir up anything that gnaws away at the fabric of a civilized people, just to ram some notion of aligning themselves with the wondrous deeds of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, and Rockefeller!
Now if you want to claim real stupidity, just froth and foam, that you can't make sense of all this...it will show your lack of an ability to connect the dots.
Maybe instead of scanning through something, just to see if there is something to blather about, to make no point, try getting inside it...it might make sense in a way that might seem 'new' to you...it might be a breath of fresh air!
..and by the way, you think I'm being 'weird' about this? You guys are the ones that people are calling 'the usual suspects'.. and the 'usual bunch of name callers'...give it a thought.(Greg and Don T excluded, I don't want them to get a head ache and suffer a brain hemorrhage. The doctors would never be able to find the damage...

GfS

P.S. ..at least it was 'pithy'....

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:55 PM

Or do you join Bobert and greggie in demanding a private set of rules that apply to others, and not yourself.

You can pretend to be an Ubermensch, like Bobert, but that does not mean others will listen to your demands for special rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:17 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/busted-left-wing-plant-at-houston-pro-zimmerman-rally-is-far-left-activist/


About waht we can expect from Bobert and friends...

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: pdq
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

"Japan, just for example, is probably the most racist "modern" society in the world, yet we never hear a word about it. ~ bb


Actually, a recent study showed Bangledesh, Hong Kong, Malasia, Singapore and Indonesia as the most xenophobic countries in the world.

Note: like Japan, all are Asian.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:50 PM

Thjat's right, PeeDee its them dam eastern yellow-devil slanty-eyed wogs. No good whasoever. Les than human, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:55 PM

REFRESH:

Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:45 AM

The "jury had spoken" in the Captain Alfred Dreyfus case too, and the verdict had huge public support.

Wonder how Beardy views the Dreyfus affair?

So, BullshitBruce: What say you?

You also never responded to how you would view the case had Martin been Jewish.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

1. I do not claim to be an expert about Dreyfus- but that is not under US law. Should I ask where you comment on the laws against Jews in Germany? ALL of them were legal- but morally wrong.

What is wrong with US law as presented in this case?

Did the prosecution prove that Zimmerman stalked Martin? NO
Did the prosecution prove that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life? NO




2. Had Martin been Jewish, and thrown the first punch, I would feel the same as I do about Martin. Zimmerman , by a reasonble standard, was not proven to have done anything illegal. As the jury determined, the prosecution never proved anything beyond self defense.

Had Zimmerman been black, and Martin a white Jew, given the evidence I would feel the same as I do now.

I judge by the actions of a man, not the color of his skin, as you and Bobert obviously do.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:12 PM

""3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free.""

It was I believe your post which linked the Rodney King acquittal with the Zimmerman case, in a clear indication that no further investigation is justified.

Since you linked the cases by posting that cut and paste, it seems clear enough that you sre not bothered by EITHER result.

If that is not the case, then show what you claim to be the real purpose of posting it!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:16 PM

""It doesn't bother Don T...he just hides behind a cloak of stupidity..you can't get mad at him...only feel sorry for his condition!.

Being thought stupid by you is almost a guarantee of being correct, you egregious ass.

Kindly go forth and raffle yourself!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:21 PM

""Actually, a recent study showed Bangledesh, Hong Kong, Malasia, Singapore and Indonesia as the most xenophobic countries in the world.""

There's a world of difference between xenophobia (fear of foreigners) and internal racism involving those who share your nationality from birth and ancestry, but have skin of a different colour.

In that the only countries worse than the Southern US are Rwanda and Darfur.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:21 PM

Is THIS what you are talking about???


"Generally, the Justice Department is reluctant to get involved in cases that have already been tried before a state jury, in part because of concerns about double jeopardy.

Perhaps the best-known example where federal prosecutors did intervene was the case of four police officers acquitted after a California state trial in the beating of motorist Rodney King, which triggered deadly riots in the Los Angeles area in 1992.

Two of the four officers were convicted in federal court of violating King's rights, but that case differs from Zimmerman's because they were acting as sworn law enforcement officials, not as a private citizen claiming self-defense.

In contrast, the Justice Department declined to prosecute New York Police Department officers after they were acquitted in the 2006 shootings of three men including Sean Bell, who was fatally wounded the morning of his planned wedding. The short Justice Department statement — issued in 2010, four years after the shooting — simply said there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

"Neither accident, mistake, fear, negligence nor bad judgment is sufficient to establish a federal criminal civil rights violation," the department said in the Bell case."