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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:40 PM The comprehension problem is yours, Goofball. My writing is quite plain and clear (Elements of Style, by William Strunk, Jr. and E. B. White), and I'm sure no one else finds it too difficult to comprehend or too complicated. Good grammar and correctly punctuated (essential for clear comprehension). Pretty straightforward, really. Maybe you should have spent more time with Dick and Jack back in first grade, instead of shooting paper clips at the teacher's behind. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:11 PM Goofballupagus: "Well, how else could you understand it, then? You've got too much stuff cluttering your brain to talk plainly!" The contents of my mind is not "stuff cluttering (my) brain." That's called "knowledge." It comes from having had a good education, and being aware that an education is just a start. I do a great deal of reading and keep up on what's going on in the world, and I know how to find information if there is something I don't know about. Most intelligent people have this same capacity. I take it that you are not a member of Mensa? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:24 PM Firth: "Most intelligent people have this same capacity. I take it that you are not a member of Mensa?" I was talking about why I...wait..... Firth: "Stupid is a condition that manifests itself in manifold ways. As you so graphically demonstrate." I was referring to why it was stupid.....How else could YOU understand it??!!?? Go back....re-read...YOU'RE the one who has a comprehension problem! Now do you finally get it?? 'Stupid is as stupid does'~~Forrest Gump Keep trying....I'm rootin' for ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:33 PM Troll! I'm not going to get sucked into your stupid game. Let others judge for themselves. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:38 PM Others???? OK..you tell all those voices in your head to come to a consensus..and get back to us! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:40 PM Stupid is not something that can be controlled while... ...ignorance is quit the opposite... Just food for thought... BTW, Don, I hate to tell you but you left out a predicate in you 2:40 post... Just funnin' but you did... Still, plainly stated, however... I mean, predicates ain't all they are cracked up to be... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:47 PM So let me get this straight, Florida had a statute that allows you to sue for legal fees if you are acquitted AND one that allows you to provoke a confrontation, shoot your adversary dead and get acquitted. Could there be a set up more conducive to the triumph of evil? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:48 PM ..and what was I telling you??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:49 PM "Good grammar and correctly punctuated." You're right, Bobert. But actually, I used a sentence fragment intentionally, for emphasis. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:23 PM That appears to be the way it is in Florida and some other places, Suzy. Sad to say, I tend to get a bit steamed because of it, but it appears there are some folks who seem to think it's just peachy-keen. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:26 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:30 PM . . . Twitchy trigger finger. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:26 PM Firth: "But actually, I used a sentence fragment intentionally, for emphasis." Boy-Howdy!!.. When I do that you say it doesn't make sense..Yeee-HAWW!! Oh, and you post of:... From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:26 PM ...Was one of the best you've done in a LONG time...since you posts on classical music!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:49 PM Goofball, when one departs from the rules of grammar using a sentence fragment, or for that matter, a sentence consisting of only a single word, it is usually for emphasis, but it is essential that the meaning is clear. It's not a substitute for chronically bad grammar, which usually springs from a combination of ignorance and laziness. I know you are literature-challenged, but Hemingway did it all the time. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:00 AM Actually, when I'm posting, I try to do it conversationally..as if the person I'm posting to is right here, and I'm talking to him or her. The only difference is, when I'm speaking, I don't forget to pronounce the 'R's, like I do, when I space out and don't hit the key...and BTW, Hemingway wrote in short sentences, and it makes for easy reading, but not too many people really talk that way.....well, maybe around the ward, but you'd know about that better than I. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:28 PM Hey, this could become a new twist for ambulance chasers... They could just run ads for folks who want to off their neighbor or someone who they would just like to off... The lawyer could walk them thru all the ins and outs of Florida law and then its "bang, bang, you're dead", then a long trial with the lawyer's meter running, the customary acquittal and then the Florida taxpayers write a big check to the lawyer... Maybe they could set up a national association of stand-your-ground-states and advertise on TV... Oh, I can see the ads now... "Gotta a pesky neighbor and need some cash? Call 1-OFF-JOHNNIE for a free consultation."... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:49 PM Now THAT"S real American entrepreneurship, Bobster! Maybe they could sell murder-for-hire franchises, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:30 PM Hey, I think I need to talk with a patent lawyer... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 13 - 12:40 PM Well, well. Click Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 06 Sep 13 - 12:56 PM Interesting! That guy is a real piece of work! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: gnu Date: 06 Sep 13 - 01:27 PM Good lord! Youse are still going on about this and there is no trial transcript to read? Why aren't youse on about THAT injustice rather than proclaiming you have the knowledge to be judge and jury in this case with NOTHING to back it up with? I am saddened. Do you people have access to rope at the hardware store? If so, it frightens me when you say justice was subverted but you have NO proof of it. Why are you all failing in demanding publc disclosure of the trial transcript? Not enough jollies in reading facts? Don't bother to answer me directly. I won't read your replies until I read the trial transcript because I kinda like to view the evidence before I start slingin shit and rope. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 06 Sep 13 - 02:34 PM From what we do know there are things that should not have occurred before and during the trial... 1. The judge should have issued a gag order on the prosecution and defense... 2. Zimmerman's attorney should not have released personal information about what was on Martin's cell phone to the public... 3. The judge should have allowed the prosecution to present "expert witnesses" as to whose voice was on the recording... 4. The judge should not have allowed Martin's use of marijuana to be entered into evidence... 5. Zimmerman's attorney should not have been allowed to present testimony in regards to Zimmerman's claim that he didn't know Florida's stand-your-ground laws... 6. The judge allowed character evidence on Martin but blocked it on Zimmerman... Remember that out-right lie Zimmerman told the court about not having any money to pay for his defense??? If it was okay to trash the victim in court then it should have been okay to trash the defendant... If this case was turned around and Martin was the defendant, any one of the above would be grounds for either a mistrial or an appeal... The problem here is that Martin isn't around to appeal... You don't need the transcripts to get this far... Most people were enraged over the O.J. verdict... There weren't too many folks saying, "Geeze, I need a full transcript" before forming an overall opinion of the way the trial went down... These were very public trails... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 06 Sep 13 - 02:55 PM Gnu, it is plain that the verdict was cut-and-dried before it even came to trial. The trial itself was simply going though the motions and the court transcripts are, essentially, a piece of fiction to attempt to justify blaming the victim for his own murder. As Bobert says, welcome to the South. Don Firth P. S. You won't read replies to your post? Okay, then others will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 13 - 04:36 PM there is no trial transcript to read? Gnu, please stop going on about the trial transcript. It most certainly IS available - all you have to do is contact the court and pay for a copy, and they'll mail it right to you. General info on the Court Clerk's Office here: http://www.seminoleclerk.org/officialrecords.shtm The order form is available here: http://officialrecords.seminoleclerk.org/OfficialRecordsOrderForm.pdf Don't care to do that? Then stop whining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: gnu Date: 06 Sep 13 - 04:38 PM "You don't need the transcripts to get this far..." But ya need em to understand the verdict. "... the court transcripts are, essentially, a piece of fiction..." So, obviously, you must have read them before you pass judgement on them. Please share your inside knowledge by linking us to what you call fiction. As for other people reading the replies. I assume they will think... "WTF?" Find the jurors guilty of charges accused by people who haven't even read the transcripts? the is inane." Yeah... I did read... doesn't make me wrong when I judge such conjecture which has no proof, basis or logic. ONE more time. If he is guilty, FRY THE FUCKER. But, I believe ya gotta prove it FIRST. And, ya can't fry the jury without reading the transcript FIRST. I am glad the law prohibits mob rule and lynch mobs on accounta I find most of this thread pretty scary stuff. Majority perception has NO place in a court of law. If you disagree with that, you disagree with THE LAW. Finally... I have, from the very beginning, said *I* do not KNOW what happened and neither do YOU. I will not join your mob and I wouldn't sell you any rope even if you offered me million dollars an inch. Also, if Z is guilty of what YOU charge him with, I will supply the rope and build the scaffold and put the noose around his neck and push his ass over the edge... unlike many who decry a "travesty of justice" with NO PROOF. Even if he WAS/IS found guilty, a lot of pussies out there wouldn't debit him from the human bank account. I find the mob unruly, uneducated and unacceptable in my court of law. Thank Dog MY court of law protects all from YOUR kangaroo court. Now... please PM me when you all get together and petition the State of Florida for access to the trial transcript. If ya got time to call for a hangin, ya got time ta call for transparency in the courts of your country. Seriously, if ya don't get off that big fuckin white horse yas rode in on and clean up all the horseshit yer never gonna get this fucker. WTF do you not understand about that? Oh dear! There goes gnu swearing again... he must be totally wrong. He's an idiot.... LET'S GET Z!!!!! Ya just don't get it............... sigh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 13 - 05:47 PM when you all get together and petition the State of Florida for access to the trial transcript. No petition required, gnu - see below. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 06 Sep 13 - 07:33 PM Gn-ze, I grew up in the South... I went to college in the South... Other than living in Jefferson County, WV (more Southern than many places in the deep South with Confederate flags on every pickup truck), I have lived all my life in the South... I also known one heck of a lot of black people who live in the South (urban and rural) who have told me the stories... I have accidentally found myself way to close to a Klan rally where it was very possible a lynching was going on... I have seen Southern justice way closer than I ever wanted to... I worked in a Southern jail as a teacher... I worked in a half way house in the "hood"... I know more about the kind of justice that the South dishes out than anyone here in Mudburg... No brag, just fact... I have seen the good ol' boys "lynch" black defendants in their sentencing... There is a disproportionate numbers of black people incarcerated in the South... Put to death in the South... I'm sorry, gn-ze... You are one of my closest friends here but... ...you just don't have a clue about what occurs here... Send a donation to the Southern Poverty Law Canter and they, in turn, will send you a magazine that will open your eyes to just how much injustice is going down down here... Racism is institutionalized here... It is everywhere... I hate to post this, man, but... B:~( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 13 - 08:12 PM He can save a few bucks and just go to their website, Bobert. Not that sending them a few bucks wouldn't be a good and useful thing to do. www.splcenter.org |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 06 Sep 13 - 08:43 PM Yeah, these folks have been on the front lines against the Klan and other hate groups... But send 'um a few buck, gn-ze... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:48 AM OK, hold on to your seats..buckle in.......steady now.....but, in this matter 'gnu' is correct. They had the trial, the jurors didn't belong to the KKK....they understood the South..they were picked by both the prosecution and the defense .. The SAME over zealousness of Bobert and Firth is what fucked up the prosecution into rushing it, and eventually blowing the case....it's over, Zimmerman was acquitted...get over it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:07 AM "" "WTF?" Find the jurors guilty of charges accused by people who haven't even read the transcripts? "" Nobody blames, or has blamed, the jurors for reaching the verdict that was force fed to them by the most corrupt fixed trial I have ever seen. The jurors were the only innocent people present in tht court. The only other innocent person you would need to contact through a medium. Zimmerman innocent? Pigs might fly!! Zimmerman committed the first perfect murder of the 21st century, but given the ridiculous laws in many US states, it won't be the last. And only the murders of black people will result in acquittal of thoose who kill under those laws. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:20 AM ""Florida jurors heard that Trayvon Martin was aggressive and paranoid due to marijuana intoxication the night he was murdered. But was he? Carl Hart, a neuropsychopharmacologist who spent fifteen years studying the neurophysiological, psychological and behavioral effects of marijuana, finds this line of reasoning "laughable" in The New York Times. "The toxicology exam, which was conducted the morning after Mr. Martin was killed, found a mere 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his body. This strongly suggests he had not ingested marijuana for at least 24 hours. This is also far below the THC levels that I have found necessary, in my experimental research on dozens of subjects, to induce intoxication: between 40 and 400 nanograms per milliliter. In fact, his THC levels were significantly lower than the sober, baseline levels of about 14 nanograms per milliliter of many of my patients, who are daily users. Mr. Martin could not have been intoxicated with marijuana at the time of the shooting; the amount of THC found in his system was too low for it to have had any meaningful effect on him." "" It doesn't require the trial transcript to know that the jury should not have been told that Martin was under the influence, by lawyers who must have known it was an outright LIE! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:28 AM Based on that, there must be grounds for appeal and retrial, but of course it's Florida, and you would have difficulty anybody who cares enough about black kids to make an issue of it. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:31 AM finding anybody DT |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 07 Sep 13 - 01:39 PM Wow! http://youtu.be/0kcVZJxAo74 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:23 PM Don...oh Don...Have you ever heard of double jeopardy? You can't retry a person found innocent, to give it another go at it. Not just in Florida..everywhere. Jeez, no wonder.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:41 PM ""Don...oh Don...Have you ever heard of double jeopardy? You can't retry a person found innocent, to give it another go at it. Not just in Florida..everywhere."" Not everywhere clown! Not, for instance in the UK, where the government have decided that protecting criminals from punishment when new technology furnishes proof of guilt (think DNA) is stupidity, not justice. Never mind, Gandhi was right when he said ""US civilisation would be a good idea"" I hope it happens soon. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:45 PM I also hope that the next person Zimmerman stalks (and there will be a next) turns out to be a redneck with a gun of his own. Then I'll do some celebrating of poetic, not American, justice! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 13 - 03:54 PM Don T: "Not everywhere clown! Not, for instance in the UK,...) Florida is at the Southeastern tip of the U.S. In case you've been keeping up on the latest news regarding the case, Zimmerman shot him in Florida, U.S.A. ..now maybe if he shot him in Italy, he could be tried again....but.... (I can't believe this!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:39 PM Sorry, GfinS... True Americans don't "get over" injustice... Come live in the South for a few years and you might get it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:48 PM Zimmerman couldn't be retried on murder or manslaughter charges, but there is a move extant to file charges of a racial crime against him. I'm not particularly interested in seeing Zimmerman hang, but they'd better get that trigger-happy self-appointed superhero off the streets and into a cell before he murders someone else. And mark my words, he will. He's very full of himself right now. According to those who know him, including his wife who is divorcing him, he's very proud of himself and he's strutting around like a peacock. He recently went to Kel-Tek, the gun manufacturer who made his 9mm. automatic and bought himself a Kel-Tek 12 gauge, eight round tactical shotgun. A hunting we will go,Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:56 PM Correction. The Kel-Tec "Impact" tactical shotgun (Zimmerman's new toy) is a dual-tube shotgun that will hold 14 rounds (7 each tube), plus one in the chamber. Fifteen 12-gauge shotgun shells altogether. That ought to do it!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 13 - 07:41 PM Yeah, we don't need this guy on the streets... Like his wife has said, "He thinks he is invincible"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:33 PM Official Sanford, Florida police records show that "There is a pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about young men of color." This provides one of the bases for further investigation into the possibility of filing hate-crime charges against Zimmerman. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 13 - 08:42 PM The way I see it is that, like with O.J., Zimmerman's bad karma is going to catch up with him... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 08 Sep 13 - 11:51 AM ""The way I see it is that, like with O.J., Zimmerman's bad karma is going to catch up with him..."" I'll keep a bottle of the good stuff handy for the day that happens! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:10 PM See what happens when you leave 'justice' up to political hacks?? If they would have taken their time, and done it right, according to the law, and investigated it properly before pressing charges, instead of trying to capitalize on emotions for the 'so-called liberals' he'd be in jail now. Congratulations!!! Keep it up! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 08 Sep 13 - 01:58 PM "Political hacks?" The only "political hacks" here were Southern bigots. Extreme Conservatives. Goofball, this is Sanford, Florida. They had no intention of doing it "according to the law and investigating it properly before pressing charges." This was a mock trial, and JUSTICE was not the aim. After all, the person Zimmerman killed was only a black teenager, so, they figure, why sweat it? Go through the motions, get it over with, give Zimmerman his gun back, and get him back out there to prowl the streets again. Liberals had nothing to do with it. They didn't give a damn about what Liberals thought, one way or the other. "Sure, maybe George was a bit overzealous, but the person he killed was only a black kid." And YOU want to blame that on Liberals! I said your knowledge of political science was nonexistent and with every one of your posts, you prove me right. And you sense of Justice is totally nonexistent at well. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 13 - 06:23 PM Absolute pathetic post, GfinS... You really don't get it, do you... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 13 - 07:55 PM Oh, heck... ...1700... B~ |
