BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 12:56 PM

The claim that Martin attacked Zimmerman is Zimmerman's story.

I saw rwo mug shots of Zimmerman, the first of which was a straight mug shot, the second of which was the same mug shot, but it had been photoshopped to make it look like he was covered with blood.

Did Martin attack Zimmerman? I don't think so! That was Zimmerman's excuse for killing Martin.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 01:10 PM

Yeah, like I have pointed out, Don...

It was Zimmerman who ignored the police's instruction to remain in his vehicle... Had he done that then Martin would be alive today...

All this talk of lynching of Zimmerman is the sickest of sick thinking... The only lynching that has occurred was done by Zimmerman with a handgun...

Lets also look at the builds of these two people... Zimmerman is a pretty beefy dude... Martin was a skinny kid... Skinny kids generally don't go attacking guys who out weigh them by 50 or so pounds...

I mean, I understand exactly what Zimmerman's attorney is up to... It's trickery and it's part of his job but it's also the job of the judge to try to have a fair trial and unless the judge is willing to put a gag order out there then this is going to be O.J., Part 2...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 03:14 PM

Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 11:41 PM

and from Bobert:

"Unless you are capable and willing to look beyond *your* side then you are allready in the loser category in my book. I mean no disrespect here but life isn't about winning law suits but being able to find common ground or selling visions."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jun 13 - 03:32 PM

"The judge in the George Zimmerman trial has ruled that two voice identification experts who suggested that unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin screamed for help before he was shot and killed by Zimmerman will not be allowed to testify at the trial."

Judge blocks audio expert testimony in Trayvon Martin case

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 13 - 03:42 PM

Like I have pointed out: So much for ***Martin*** getting a fair trial... Welcome to the South, folks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jun 13 - 03:45 PM

Also from the same link:

"On Friday, the judge also dismissed a defense motion to bar certain words and phrases from the prosecution's opening statement.

She ruled prosecutors could allege that Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, "profiled" Martin but ordered them not to use the term "racial profiling."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jun 13 - 08:53 AM

Didn't one of the first people to reach the scene say that Zimmerman was astride Martin's chest with Martin on his back?

If you were underneath someone, having your head bashed in, and you shot him, you would push him off and get up.

Why would you turn him over and kneel astride the body?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 13 - 09:15 AM

Necrophilia?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 08:28 AM

"Meanwhile, defense attorney Mark O'Mara cross-examined Wendy Dorival, who served as volunteer program coordinator for the Sanford Police Department. Dorival stated that neighborhood watch volunteers were not supposed to follow suspects, but added that she thought Zimmerman was a professional person, and had tried to recruit him to a citizens patrol program. She said that it was suspicious that a person – Trayvon Martin – was walking in the rain between houses without a particular purpose.'



And these are the Prosecution's witnesses.



Already proven that one of Bobert's standard lies is just that- the "Police told him not to follow" line. It was the 911 operator:

"According to another witness, a 911 operator, it is not within the purview of 911 operators to give orders to callers."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 08:47 AM

Wendy Dorival, who trained Zimmerman in his duties as the watch representative for his gated community, described him as "a little meek" and someone who wanted to "make changes in his community to make it better."
Although a PowerPoint slide as part of Dorival's orientation presentation declared citizens are "NOT the vigilante police," she told defense attorney Don West that seeing an unknown or suspicious person walking around in the rain or on a pathway not meant for walking would be grounds for calling the police department's nonemergency number. That testimony could assist the defense in painting Zimmerman as someone who was simply carrying out his neighborhood watch duties rather than hunting down an unarmed teenager.
The defense's case was further strengthened by testimony that there had been burglaries in Zimmerman's community, including one in which a home was entered while a mother of a small child was upstairs. "She was alone," Dorival said. "It was terrifying for her. She was still shaken up by it. It seemed very fresh to her."
Dorival testified that residents who had an issue "were directed to call Mr. Zimmerman."
Perhaps just as significantly, Dorival came to Zimmerman with the idea of assuming greater duty in community policing. Asked why, Dorival said it was because of Zimmerman's "demeanor" and "his high interest in being part of a Sanford community."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/haunting-photos-unexpected-witness-defense-day-2-zimmerman-214809362.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 08:59 AM

Well, well, well...

Seems as if the judge has yet another opportunity to stick it to Martin and the prosecution today as police tapes of Zimmerman made prior to the murder indicating Zimmerman's focus on black males being in the neighborhood may not be admissible???

Huh???

Yup, Zimmerman had a history of calling the police when he saw black males in the neighborhood...

Not evidence???

I would think the jury has a right to know of those calls...

We'll see...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:18 AM

Bobert,

From your comments, you are still only interested in finding Zimmerman guilty and punishing him for all the past injustices of the system- regardless of his guilt or innocence.

I am interested in finding out the truth. Sort of like having justice, instead of a lynching.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:31 AM

I am interested in finding out the truth

Yeah, right.

By the way, Beardy, what's this lynching fixation of yours? Someone already asked you that a while back, & you failed to answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 10:13 AM

Bobert:

"Also Wednesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that she would allow at trial five police dispatch calls Zimmerman made in the months prior to his encounter with Martin.
Prosecutors want to use the calls to bolster their argument that Zimmerman was increasingly frustrated with repeated burglaries and had reached a breaking point the night he shot the unarmed teenager. Prosecutors played the calls for the judge Tuesday with the jurors out of the courtroom.
The recordings show Zimmerman's "ill will," prosecutor Richard Mantei said.
"It shows the context in which the defendant sought out his encounter with Trayvon Martin," he said.
O'Mara argued that the calls were irrelevant and that nothing matters but the seven or eight minutes before Zimmerman fired the deadly shot into Martin's chest.
In the calls, Zimmerman identifies himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer and recounts that his neighborhood has had a rash of recent break-ins. In one call, he asks that officers respond quickly since the suspects "typically get away quickly."
In another, he describes suspicious black men hanging around a garage and mentions his neighborhood had a recent garage break-in.
"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 10:15 AM

"Seems as if the judge has yet another opportunity to stick it to Martin and the prosecution today as police tapes of Zimmerman made prior to the murder indicating Zimmerman's focus on black males being in the neighborhood may not be admissible???

Huh???

Yup, Zimmerman had a history of calling the police when he saw black males in the neighborhood...

Not evidence???

I would think the jury has a right to know of those calls..."







So did the judge.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 10:31 AM

Greg,

Remind bb that I don't read his posts anymore... His irrational thinking isn't worth my time...

Thanks,

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:45 PM

"She said it was suspicious that a person was walking in the rain..."

That is completely insane.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:50 PM

When it comes to sanity there ain't gonna be too much of that with this trial...

The judge is already screwing around with the prosecution's case...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:16 PM

Bobert:

"The judge is already screwing around with the prosecution's case..."

"Seems as if the judge has yet another opportunity to stick it to Martin and the prosecution today as police tapes of Zimmerman made prior to the murder indicating Zimmerman's focus on black males being in the neighborhood may not be admissible???


Real world:

"Also Wednesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that she would allow at trial five police dispatch calls Zimmerman made in the months prior to his encounter with Martin.
Prosecutors want to use the calls to bolster their argument that Zimmerman was increasingly frustrated with repeated burglaries and had reached a breaking point the night he shot the unarmed teenager. Prosecutors played the calls for the judge Tuesday with the jurors out of the courtroom.
The recordings show Zimmerman's "ill will," prosecutor Richard Mantei said.
"It shows the context in which the defendant sought out his encounter with Trayvon Martin," he said."




Of course, Real World facts have no bearing on this case- after all, in the Real World, with a fair trial Zimmerman might not be convicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:01 PM

A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified Wednesday that she heard a boy's cry for help shortly before hearing the firing of a gun.

But Jayne Surdyka also testified on the third day of testimony in Zimmerman's murder trial that she heard multiple gunshots: "pop, pop, pop." Only one shot was fired in the fatal encounter between Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

"I truly believe the second yell for help was a yelp," said Surdyka, who later dabbed away tears as prosecutors played her 911 call. "It was excruciating. I really felt it was a boy's voice."

Surdyka told the court that before the shooting, she heard an aggressive voice and a softer voice exchanging words for several minutes.

"It was someone being very aggressive and angry at someone," she said.

During the struggle, she said, she saw a person in dark clothes on top of the other person. Martin was wearing a dark sweatshirt and Zimmerman wore red clothing. Surdyka said she saw the person who was on top get off the body after the shot was fired.

During cross-examination, defense attorney Don West tried to show there was a lapse in what Surdyka saw. Defense attorneys contend Martin was on top of Zimmerman during the struggle, but after the neighborhood watch volunteer fired a shot, Zimmerman got on top of Martin.

West also challenged Surdyka about her belief that the cry for help was a boy's voice, saying she was making an assumption about whose voice it was.

Another neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified after Surdyka that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin. Manalo also described hearing howling, but she couldn't tell who it was coming from.

Under cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked why she had never mentioned her belief that Zimmerman was on top in previous police interviews. He made her read back a transcript of an interview in which she described only seeing shadows."






Note:
"During the struggle, she said, she saw a person in dark clothes on top of the other person. Martin was wearing a dark sweatshirt and Zimmerman wore red clothing. Surdyka said she saw the person who was on top get off the body after the shot was fired."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:06 PM

McGrath,

"She said that it was suspicious that a person – Trayvon Martin – was walking in the rain between houses without a particular purpose."


Along a street- not suspicious.

Between houses- suspicious.



Normally one does not go off the public right of way without a reason. Especially in a gated community

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:44 PM

"Testifying in the Geoge Zimmerman trial, prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel, 19, who says she was on the phone with Trayvon Martin before he was shot, explained that Martin told her that a "creepy ass cracker" was following him. According to Jeantel, Martin was worried that Zimmerman was a rapist, and said to "stop playing with him like that." He also told Jeantel, she said, that the "n----- is now following him."
Jeantel is mumbling her testimony, leading to delays in the courtroom. She has already allegedly perjured herself months ago by stating that she missed Martin's funeral because she was in the hospital."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:51 PM

There is one lesson in all of this. If you can carry a firearm legally. Avoid at all costs getting yourself into bad situations. Use the firearm only in the most deadly situations that you are put in and never go looking for trouble. Hell there is enough trouble out there in the world without looking for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 05:33 PM

There is another lesson in this. In fact there are several.

I can start the list with "Do not let people carry guns. Guns kill people".

I can add "Walking while black is a capital crime".   We all know of DWB but this takes it one stage further.

Who wants to carry the list on?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 06:10 PM

Ambiguity there. Streets are lined with houses. Walking along a street therefore involves walking between houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 07:27 PM

Thank you, ol'ster...

The one lesson that I came away with from martial arts is this: When is right to fight... Answer: never...

You understand the responsibility that goes with gun ownership... Unfortunately, you are in a small minority of gun owners... I've been hunting with people who say they understand gun safety but take unsafe shots...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:45 PM

I've kind of kept arms length away from this shooting, trying not to get overly dogmatic about it. But I have a few questions that I have not heard addressed.

#1 According to yesterday's testimony, Martin was shot in "the chest area" and was still (barely) alive when the first responder tried to revive him. He testified that he rolled Martin's body over and gave him mouth to mouth.
#2 If Zimmerman is correct in saying that Martin was pounding his head on the concrete, then Martin was on top, i.e. you can't pound someone's head when it is at a distance. (Incidentally, were the two men curbside? Pictures show two small 'lumps' on Zimmerman's head that would seem to indicate an edge to the concrete.)
#3 Since Martin was shot in the chest, should not Zimmerman have been covered with blood? According to the first responder's testimony, Martin's heart was still beating, and therefore pumping blood. Zimmerman "was wearing red clothing"- does that explain why the blood was not the most visible thing present? The early accounts that I read never mentioned blood on Zimmerman, nor did I see any pictures of it.
#4 Zimmerman was taken down to the precinct station to make a statement and then let go. Presumably this was before he went home and changed clothes. Will there be testimony by the police department describing Zimmerman's clothing?
#4 After Martin was shot and Zimmerman was lying beneath him, presumably Martin's body was limp. What is the most common scenario in sliding out from under a limp body? Would one thrust it to the side and slide out? Or would one 'buck' it off?
#5 Did Zimmerman examine Martin's body after the shooting? In that case, it would be logical to say that he turned it face up. Yet, the first responder found it face down.

All that said, I can imagine that one's thinking processes would be so chaotic, so fragmented, that any logical sequence of events would be impossible.
As I said, I am come late to this subject- after all it is now in the trial phase - but please bear with me. I'm sure there is information out there that I don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:53 PM

Thanks, Eb...

Well thought out...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 12:26 PM

You are very right EB, also there would be what is called tattooing on the victim (power burns on the skin from a firearm discharge closer than three to five feet. Likewise the shooters upper torso would be covered in gun shot residue, the spent cartridge would also indicate the distance. I see nothing to describe this stuff. Only questions that don't quite add up to me

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 09:56 AM

Well, seems like Zimmerman's attorneys are trying to make the murder victim the bad guy here...

I'm sniffing O.J. Part 2 here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:14 AM

Bobster,
its Florida   he will walk free just watch. If it were Texas they would buy him a new gun

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM

Not only would Texas buy him a new gun, they'd elect him to the US Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:45 PM

"Good took the stand today and said he first thought he was looking at a dog attack until he noticed two men. He says he yelled "stop" as he watched the fight.
"I said cut it out. I'm calling 911 because it was getting serious," said Good.
Good says he watched as what looked like punches being thrown.
"Could you describe who was on top and who was at bottom," asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
"The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was…red," responded Good referring to the men's clothing.
At another point he told the court that the person on the bottom had "lighter skin color."
Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.
He also said, "The person on the bottom, I could hear a 'Help.'"
Under cross examination by Zimmerman's lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman "MMA style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
"The person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom?"asked Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara
"Correct," said Good
But he said he did not see Martin banging Zimmerman's head on the concrete, which is what Zimmerman has claimed.
His testimony is in sharp contrast to Selma Mora, another witness to the fatal encounter between Zimmerman and Martin who testified late Thursday that Zimmerman was on top of Martin in the moments before a gunshot ended the fight.
"How were the two people positioned that you saw?" asked prosecutor John Guy.
Mora told the court Thursday that at some point she saw a man in "patterns between black and red" on top, indicating Zimmerman.
"One of them was on the ground, and the other one was on top in position like a rider," Mora, who speaks Spanish, testified through a translator."


http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-witnesses-conflicting-versions-fatal-fight-145530258--abc-news-topstories.html



A responder at the scene said Martin's knuckles were bloodied, suggesting he had injured Zimmerman with a punch;
- The lead investigator on the scene, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:07 PM

"CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.

In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman was the person yelling for help.

PICTURES: George Zimmerman on trial in death of Fla. teen

VIDEO: Zimmerman trial: Prosecutor opens with profanity

John Good took the stand Friday in the fifth day of testimony in the Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial. The former neighborhood watch captain is charged with shooting the unarmed teen as he was walking back to his father's fiancee's home through a Sanford, Fla. gated community.

John Good testified he saw a man in dark clothing on top of a man who was wearing red or light-colored clothing with lighter skin. Zimmerman, 29, was wearing a red jacket the night of the altercation, and Martin was wearing a dark hoodie. However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

READ: Trayvon Martin Shooting: A timeline of events

Taking the stand Thursday, John Good said he was at home watching television with his wife when he heard a "faint noise" that seemed to be getting closer. Outside, he said he saw the person on top of another man.

The man on the bottom, who he said he now believes is George Zimmerman, yelled for help.

"At first it was "What's going on," and no one answered,' " Good said, describing calling out for the men. "And then at that point the person on the bottom, I could finally see, I heard a 'help.' Then at some point I said 'Cut it out.' And then, 'I'm calling 911.' That's when I thought it was getting really serious."

The altercation seemed to escalate, according to Good. The struggle moved to the cement pathway, and he said the person in dark clothing straddled the other man in "mixed martial arts position" he later described to police as a "ground and pound." He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.

"The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?"

"That's what it looked like," Good answered.

Good said he then went back inside to call 911. As he was dialing the phone, he heard a gunshot. His 911 call was played in court as the jury listened."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-z

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:25 PM

"Political Strategist Charles D. Ellison also warns that, "There is the risk of a flashpoint as intense as the aftermath of that fateful Los Angeles police brutality verdict in 1992," if Zimmerman walks free.
"At that time, many underestimated the potential for social unrest. And a bit over 20 years to the date, many could be making the same miscalculation at this very moment. The ingredients are there in Sanford and they loom large nationally, from an economy barely managing its own recovery to an unemployment rate that's much higher than it should be, particularly for African-Americans," adds Ellison.
Some are even asking whether the law should be ignored and Zimmerman convicted simply to avoid race riots.
"Regardless of whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense, a large segment of the population, particularly the black population, are demanding Zimmerman be punished. And if they don't have their demands satisfied, it is possible they might riot," writes a poster at the Aesops Retreat forum. "So would it be appropriate to consider potential riots when deciding on whether or not to prosecute Zimmerman? Or should justice be blind and follow the rule of law?"
Critics of the attempt to convict Zimmerman have cited numerous points of evidence which clearly suggest Zimmerman acted in self-defense and that the case against him was built largely on the back of contrived racial politics."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 02:59 PM

Oh, dear - another bout of bloody postarrhoea. Condition may be approaching critical.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 03:52 PM

Seems to me the major flaw in the claim that Zimmerman acted in self defense is that he forced the contact with Martin by stalking him and while he may have been comforted in knowing that the had a hand on his pistol he could have kept his distance. He had contacted police and done his duty as neighborhood watch. I think most of us would have developed some concern if we were walking along a residential street and become aware that someone was following us. If there were an armband, cap, or insignia on a car to indicate neighbor watch, we might take note. I doubt that I would confront the stalker, but there is possibly here some who would. Even if Martin confronted Zimmerman and even if he made the first physical contact, Zimmerman is still, at least, partially at fault.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 12:15 AM

Let the verdict come in according to the EVIDENCE, not political posturing.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 10:07 AM

What evidence???

The prosecutors have already had some of their case disallowed by the judge???

This trial is bogus as a $3 bill...

We have been told over and over by the media that the prosecution will have an uphill battle... Who writes that and gives it to the reporters to read???

There's more politics in this case than Carter has liver pills...

Welcome to the South...

Home of Jim Crow, the KKK, the Minutemen and over 1000 organized hate groups and where judges have to be partisan to get their jobs...

How do you spell Kangaroo Court???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 10:26 AM

Bobert: "What evidence???"
"There's more politics in this case than Carter has liver pills..."

Quit being silly...they only disallowed the unintelligible phone call recording, and both sides had their 'expert' witness, to refute each other.
It sounds to me, that the real evidence that the DO have, is just not the stuff fits your politics.

You've already decided, without hearing all the evidence, or even before the trial's over, how you want it to go, so ANY evidence that doesn't go 'your way', is considered, "What evidence???"

Watch a good football game, if you want to root for a team, one way or the other. Trials are different...they just want to get to the facts...no biases, one way or the other.

I haven't been on this thread, merely because I figured, it would be a battle of wits, for witless bigots....trying to ensure that their personal discriminations, one way or the other, would rule the day!
....nor have I 'promoted' one side or the other. All I've said was, "Let the verdict come in according to the EVIDENCE, not political posturing."
Something wrong with that..................too?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 12:47 PM

I can tell that you have never lived in the South nor paid much attention to what happens down here, GfinS...

Google up Greensboro massacre for a quick primer...

BTW, the lynching has already occurred here... 9mm style...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 08:28 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 13 - 03:35 PM

Excellent post. Pretty much says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 01:22 PM

Thanks, SJL.

Here is a link to my post.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 01:34 PM

Bobert, I don't know if you have heard...but in America, or what used to be known as America, you are innocent, unless PROVEN guilty. All the prosecution has to do, is prove its case, and he's convicted. All the prejudice in the world, one way or the other, shouldn't win or lose the case.
Why do you bring up and condemn 'lynching', and the 'Greensboro massacre'...and then go on a tirade and play the part, as if you were some frothing idiot in a lynch mob???

Just calm down..let the trial run its course....if the results aren't to your liking, THEN you can join a frothing mob, and riot, like in your southern lynch mob mentality...and while you're rioting, you can keep telling yourself, that it's not about justice, it's about race!
Now, does that make you feel better??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 05:38 PM

Goofball, when the judge and some of the attorneys are displaying a considerable measure of prejudice by disallowing certain testimony and evidence to be presented, it doesn't take an intelligent person long to figure out that the court is biased, and what that bias is.

Let me repeat:   It doesn't take an intelligent person long to figure out the bias of the court.

I personally think they should take that trial out of that jurisdiction and conduct it where there is far less historical prejudice and both George Zimmerman AND Trayvon Martin get a fair verdict.

'Course don't listen to me. I'm only one of those "loony Liberals" who tend to value things like honesty and fairness. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 06:00 PM

Don: "'Course don't listen to me. I'm only one of those "loony Liberals" who tend to value things like honesty and fairness. . . ."

You had me going there..but you lost me about halfway through your last sentence!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 06:15 PM

FFS.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM

"The prosecutors have already had some of their case disallowed by the judge???"

I note that you did not complain when the defense had some of it's case disallowed by the judge.....




"By most accounts, last week was not what the state in the George Zimmerman case would have hoped for. In one way or another, more than half of the prosecution witnesses supported Zimmerman's account of what happened the night Trayvon Martin was killed.
Prosecutors started strong with a powerful, concise opening statement from Assistant State Attorney John Guy, in contrast to the silly knock-knock joke and seemingly disorganized and meandering defense argument.
Photos of the final candy and drink that Martin, 17, purchased minutes before his death riveted the jury, followed by haunting images of his dead body, the end result of a quick visit to a 7-11.
But then something happened that many would have thought improbable as this case received wall to wall coverage leading up to Zimmerman's arrest.

What the state hoped would be proof that Zimmerman initiated the altercation and that he, not Martin, was on top as they grappled on the ground, did not appear to proceed as planned. A variety of eye and ear witnesses of varying credibility, did offer testimony to support the prosecution theory that Zimmerman was the aggressor before the shot was fired. They either heard what they thought was Zimmerman instigating the encounter or in one case heard a chase (which Zimmerman insists never happened).
But with each witness there were either facts that we now know are not true (like hearing three shots, when there was only one) or indications that their memories have somehow become clearer since the incident itself.
While those sorts of attacks on witnesses, in particular eyewitnesses, are standard fare for cross examination, the state's troubles seemed to extend further than minor inconsistencies.
Even the prosecution's effort to show that Zimmerman was an over-eager, wannabe cop backfired when a witness from the Sanford Police Department, testifying as part of the prosecution's case, admitted that she tried to recruit Zimmerman for a citizen's patrol and that "George was very professional, a little meek, really wanted to make community better."
Then came the state's star witness, Rachel Jeantel, who recounted those final moments on the phone with Martin.
"He told me the man kept following him," Jeantel testified. "I say, 'Trayvon,' and then he said, 'Why are you following me for?' And then I heard a hard-breathing man come say, 'What you doing around here?' ... And then I was calling, 'Trayvon, Trayvon.' And then I started to hear a little bit of Trayvon saying, 'Get off, get off.'"
If jurors believe her, that Martin said "get off," then there seems to be little question that Zimmerman at least initiated the incident.
The problem? She admitted to lying on certain matters, and most importantly she was confronted with an earlier account, where she had recalled Zimmerman uttering the far more innocuous response, "What are you talking about," rather the more menacing "What are you doing around here" The difference between bewilderment by Zimmerman as opposed to a veiled accusation is a significant one.
But the ambiguity surrounding her testimony was nothing compared to the clarity of neighbor and witness John Good. His vantage point and detailed account may be more definitive than that of any other witness to date, and rather than supporting the prosecution's case, he seemed to bolster Zimmerman's claim that Martin was beating him.
Good testified that the lighter skinned man was on the bottom. He also described to the jury the clothing that he saw.
"The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was ... red," Martin said. Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red jacket while Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.
"The person on the bottom, I could hear a 'Help,'" Good said."

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prosecutions-woes-analysis-140121038--abc-news-topstories.html







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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 11:44 AM

Southern courts have a long tradition of fucking over black people...

The Southern Poverty Law Center has a team of lawyers that try to level the field but it's like going up against an intransigent army of Southern white racists, bigots and, frankly, rednecks who will fight against equal justice tooth and nail...

Anyone interested in a glimpse into just how intransigent these folks can be should read Morris Dees' book "A Lawyer's Journey"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 11:48 AM

So the solution, your "Affirmative Action" plan, is to lynch enough non-blacks to make up for past injustices???




If the race of the defendant and victim were reversed, I would be posting the same comments- Would you?

And who would that indicate was being bigoted based on race?