What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 05:16 AM

A Few Feel-Good Folk-Friendly Hip-Hop Classics on You Tube:

De La Soul - Eye Know (1989)

Digable Planets - Rebirth of the Slick (1993)

Arrested Development - Mr Wendal (1993)

Jungle Brothers - Straight out the Jungle (1988)

Eminem & Proof - Freestyle (?)

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 06:25 AM

Rap is surely a great deal more "folk" than the tricksy educated musicians attempts to rearrange folk tunes for the concert-goers ears, over the last century or so.
The origins of rap and hip-hop can be easily and directly traced to the Bahaman traditions of maritime music(and many other similar related traditions). The blend of fast witty sarcastic rhythmic talking with powerful dance rhythms and slow melodic lines is a well established area of Afro-Caribbean culture, with deep folk roots going back a long long time. A basic background would be easily acquired by listening to the CD "Rhyming Singers of the Bahamas" for example, or many other Caribbean field recordings. I am exploring these historical connections (between dance tunes, sea song and witty rapping) in ongoing projects in Liverpool at this moment. At the very least, it is adding the distinctive "voice" of urban youth to the folk scene: which is, let's face it, becoming increasingly dominated by a very educated and university-based middle-class aproach.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 07:14 AM

"...the rap music from the car in the yard next door was so loud, that I couldn't hear anything but the music. I was surprised at how vulnerable the music-deafness made me feel.
-Joe- "

Yes, and it seems that the PC opinion is that it is part of their civil rights to inflict this noise on others. My contention is that the average citizen has the right to peace and quiet. We have a civil war going on and many people are on the wrong side.

M. Ted: I stopped paying attention to your outbursts a long time ago. You have problems, not me.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 07:23 AM

Is this a discussion about music or in-car entertainment systems? Hell, we were once told to turn down our car stereo when we were paying Jez Lowe's Jack Common's Anthem (thanks Helen!xx). I don't suppose it really matters what sort of music you're playing in your car, or at home, or wherever, just as long as it isn't playing too loud... I have a similar objection to folkies with PA systems, but that's another story, albeit similar!

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Acorn4
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 07:58 AM

I haven't really listened to enough rap to comment, but agree with the posters who say you can't just dismiss a whole genre. More poetry than music surely, and as such just as acceptable as limerick, sonnet, heroic couplets?

Rap does seem to have a lot of human input, whereas most hip-hop/rave I've heard would come seem to come under the genre of "twitch music". But there again, I suppose I might someday hear something to convince me otherwise

Do like oxymorons however:-

How about these:-

Independant financial adviser.
The quiet area of the campsite.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:36 AM

The roots of rap & hip-hop go back across the uncounted millennia to the sacred chants of the Sun Priests of Ancient Egypt. Proof? Check this: Sun Ra - Nuclear War

What yo gonna do without your ass?

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:36 AM

"How do you relate to this offensive, non-melodic noise?"

I would imagine that you do understand there is a difference between music appreciation and music for enjoyment.

I relate to rap in the same way as I relate to folk music from other cultures that I am not part of. I've heard a few rap songs that I thought were interesting, and a few with powerful lyrics, but on a whole it is not something I would spend time listening to.

It is very disturbing to read comments about a "war" that is going on, and "what side are you on". Wars are created by narrow minded bigots with huge egos mixed with a huge insecurity issue. If you wish to create a war, you will. Hopefully the rest of us have moved to a different view of the world and ourselves.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:54 AM

Ron Olesko seems to support the right of a mugger to assault people and he blames the victim for fighting back.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:56 AM

You are an ass PDQ.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:02 AM

Several people have said that RAP is not music. I had a music theory professor with a PhD who defined music as simply: noise within structure. Rap may well be non-melodic. Much of the Avant-garde music of the 20th century, Schoenberg, Glass etc., isn't very melodic, but is generally considered to be music. You can hate it if you want. I hate most of what comes out of Nashville these days but I wouldn't say "That's not music".

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:03 AM

Ronbo:

I hope you have to live next to a house full of Rap Culture goons where you can't get away. Enjoy "die Honkey Mutha Fukkuh!!!" blasted at you 'till 3:00 in the morning so you can't sleep. Enjoy.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:07 AM

Keep going PDQ, you are showing everyone just how ridiculous your thought process works when you make statements like that.

---

OK, stop it - both of you.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: M.Ted
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:14 AM

PDQ--do you know, or care anything about music? This is a music thread, not a BS thread, and you seem to be making it your business to derail any discussion of music here.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:29 AM

Anybody else want to take cheap shots at me besides Ronbo?

Go ahead, but that does not change the fact that most urban areas of the US are so polluted with this vlie noise that the quality of life is down.

I represent the majority view on many subjects, many of which are seldom heard on this forum

Out here is rural America, we are making a stand against this type of sonic bullying and aggression. I got one neighbor to sell his house and move because the cops showed up so often, telling him to turn down his (c)rap noise. Other neighbors all said they could hardly believe how mush happier they were and how much better they felt without the awful background hate noise.

I stand by what I say. I have endured this abuse in various place I have lived, and I will speak out whenever I want about. People who don't like what I have to say can ignore me. Be my guest. But gutless personal attacks on me by insecure people serve no purpose.

We have a cultural divide that is being turned into chasm by the Rap Culture. I had nothing to do with it.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:38 AM

PDQ - you can speak out whenever you like, but if you feel that your statements should not receive a rebuttal, then I suggest you re-read the Constitution.   

I will attack bigotry and unlike you, I will not put words in mouths of others. Your statements speak for themselves, as do mine.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:42 AM

It's what it says: Rhythm And Poetry. It's nothing new! Zappa did it on his first album. The Fugs did it, Pigmeat (?he sang "here come the judge")

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,D18/J45
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:45 AM

Ron said: "It is very disturbing to read comments about a "war" that is going on, and "what side are you on". Wars are created by narrow minded bigots with huge egos mixed with a huge insecurity issue. If you wish to create a war, you will. Hopefully the rest of us have moved to a different view of the world and ourselves."

Man, talk about off topic. This is a discussion about why rap sucks or in the case of the tone deaf, musically defend everything, white guilt group who think it doesn't. Not about your holier than thou politics.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:48 AM

I'm not defending content of rap, and this discussion was never about "why rap sucks". There is a huge difference and you fail to see it.   

This conversation was not about white guilt, but bigotry seems to have raised its head once again. Now you tell me about what is "off topic".

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:54 AM

You can't separate Rap from it's source, the violent and degenerate Rap Culture. It is the voice of that group.

To attempt such an intellectual discussion about something that is viceral sounds like the pervue of pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:52 AM

"
I hope you have to live next to a house full of Rap Culture goons where you can't get away. Enjoy "die Honkey Mutha Fukkuh!!!" blasted at you 'till 3:00 in the morning so you can't sleep. Enjoy. "

But rap isn't really the issue here, now is it. What would you think if your neighbour blasted out FIRE MARENGO, FIRE AWAY at 3 AM or if someone cruised the neighbourhood with huge basses on the stereo blaring out Borodin's Polovtsian Dances? Would you be ok with it if Charlotte Church was played so loud as too make it hurt to even uncover your ears?

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:16 PM

"To attempt such an intellectual discussion about something that is viceral sounds like the pervue (sic) of pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals."

Woof! Woof! Woof!

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:34 PM

Good dog.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:44 PM

Only people who have lived in a big American city in the last 20 years can truly understand Rap.

No Brit can understand why it came about nor discern it's intent.

Kinda like an American trying to understand Cricket.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,D18/J45
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:54 PM

I have lived in a big city for over 20 years and I understand rap for what it is.

Racist, women hating, violent. Complete shit.

To defend it as some kind of pseudo intellectual, "I love all kinds of music, la la la" is just so self serving.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:13 PM

I was listening to a discussion on the radio by a fellow who thought he was a serious music student.

He said that Snoop Dog E Dog had put "mother fucker!" into a three minute rap 100 times.

This clown made it sound like it was equinvalent to Wilt Chaimberlain's 100 point game in basketball.

These people are clowns. Snoop Eats Dog Poop is a clown. We in the sane part of America laugh at them. This entire art form is a self-parody.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:14 PM

"I have lived in a big city for over 20 years and I understand rap for what it is."

Obviously that is not the case.   Also, no one is defending the music either. I guess you have not figured out that you can discuss music and style without buying into it.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:15 PM

"No Brit can understand why it came about nor discern it's intent."

You could say that about any art form. This then means any American can't understand any song written in any other country apart from America, and that's obviously complete crap (or let's hope so, because all those Yank folkies singing anything from outside the US must look really stupid).

Rap isn't just an American music form any more, even though it was originally. A rapper just headlined Glastonbury and although that created bit of controversy it does show the relevance of the music to millions in the UK.

You obviously don't like it (can't say I do), but don't assume you're the only one who can speak with authority on the subject.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: synbyn
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:31 PM

spleen cringe- please read what i posted carefully.... seems to me you're saying re Ralph McTell that if you haven't heard of it it can't be any good... perhaps a wider and deeper appreciation of the past might temper your views, in the strict sense of the word- make them stronger because more worked-upon? as to Lucy Wan, i think there is a world of difference between commercial usage of old song (which is what the pros present) and the folk process. Again. please read what I actually wrote, carefully.

Almost by definition, someone who hears about 'peppers & tomatoes' by Ralph Mctell and doesn't bother to check it out can't really be called informed.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:59 PM

Sorry, SB. Don't really like Ralph McTell that much. I can't help it, it's just a matter of personal taste. Doesn't mean I'm ill informed. You go ahead and enjoy though... different strokes and all that. Meanwhile I have no opinion on the "rap bad, Ralph good" school of thought...

PDQ: I thought this was a discussion about whether rap music and the folk process had any degree of interface. With respect, why not take your riddles and inferences to the BS section below and say what you really mean.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM

pdq: I do appreciate your anger if your life has been made a misery by loud rap music, that sort of thing is intolerable. But that has not got much to do with rap's historical connections with folk music, or whether it is now a folk art. We have seen many definitions proposed for the word "folk" on Mudcat, but I don't think anyone has ever suggested "quiet" as one of them.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:45 PM

I will grant people the fact that Rap is a Folk Art, but so is graffiti.

What Rap is not is Folk Music, and anyone who goes to a Folk Music Festival and has to listen to a rapper between Irish folk bands and bluegrass is being abused.

As far as angry? Not really. That would get in the way of putting up a good fight.

This cultural genocide must be fought the same way we fight drugs, street gang violence, air polution or organized crime.

About the intent of this thread, read the initial post. Perhaps those who want an cerebral discussion or with to post their favoirite Rap are invited to start a new thread.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:11 PM

Still, there's a point. Rap music, in many if not most cases, is agressive, violent, threatening music. If you're an observer and not a participant, it's frightening. Punk music is similar - and my son makes his living as a punk musician. The week of the Rodney King riots, he set his band up on the top floor of a parking garage in Sacramento, and drew an audience of 125 or so - plus several cars full of police in riot gear.

To fail to explore the violence of rap music, is to fail to fully explore the genre.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:27 PM

What is scary to me is how any music rap or otherwise that needs to degrade or promote violence is so widely accepted. That is the part that I do not understand and I am not talking just Rap here but any art form that says it is ok to kill or degrade. Azizi pointed out to me that not all rap is gang violence. I took some time to listen. It is not my cup of coffee but then again I don't care much for Polka. But my biggest beef is with my neighbors blasting it until my windows shake because I would not do that to them with the clancy brothers (maybe I should). However back to my point, what does it say as a society that will embrace this in record sales?   I don't get it but I never will. I will defend the right of anyone to make it without question, I just won't listen or buy it. But a society to embrace the gangster stuff and idolize it, I don't understand that thinking. To me the violence cannot be justified

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:37 PM

One last point, when I said I don't buy it or listen to it. I don't want to be force to listen to it either, as I would not force my neighbors to listen to non stop clancy brothers. However, I cannot expect that they would respect my views if to them the songs they embrace are degrading others and promoting violence. Why should they respect my rights if to them that is what they hope to become. Amazing, several young high school white kids and they call each other the N word and that is cool because that is the word used over and over by their rap hero very sad in my opinion.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,D18/J45
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:13 PM

"Obviously that is not the case.   Also, no one is defending the music either. I guess you have not figured out that you can discuss music and style without buying into it."

Ob, but it is the case, Ron. I was wrong. I have lived in the city 25 years, not 20. And unless you can truly agree that the so called form of music called rap is worthless to society and to music in general, don't tell me you aren't defending it. I've seen better tap dances than that from amateurs.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:43 PM

Alright D18/j45 - you are obviously a troll looking to stir shit. You sign on as a guest and then make really assinine statements. I really doubt that you ever lived in "the city", more likely a suburb where you can hide from the riff raff you complain about - or you live in a small midwest "city" where a minority considered someone brom "back east". If you truly lived in a big city, I think your experience with rap would be different than what you portray.

Fine, if it will make you happy - I will defend rap because you obviously have a dim view of the world from your little tarpaper shack where you write your spew.

You complain about rap, and I bet you are just another "old folkie" who thinks nothing of singing the great traditional ballads - the ones full of sisters murdering sisters, incest, women being raped and treated like merchandise. Yeah, the good old murder ballads and songs of war and hatred for the enemy. Listen to some of the erotic ballads and bawdy ballads. Thank god folk music NEVER degraded women or promoted violence and only uses language that your mother would use kissing your fat little behind each night. Good for you D18/J45!!!!

As I read through these threads, I've never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrites and people talking out of their ass. Many of the posters on this thread can be found in other threads complaining about media hype for folk music or movies or whatever, yet you feel that you hear a single news story about the violence in rap and you are suddenly experts.   Nice moves!

Hey, there is no hiding the fact that gangsta rap is violent and degrading. It is nothing that I would want to listen to, and I'm glad my kids have better sense. Anyone with half a brain would question the media and find out for themselves if they were truly interested instead of firing off items they saw on Fox News with little additional information.

I'm really sorry that someone had a neighbor that was rude and stupid. Yet to sterotype all rap listeners that way is wrong. Since the individual who complained said they live in a rural area - should I sterotype him as sleeping on a couch on the front porch next to the washing machine as his wife/sister is off playing bingo? Perhaps the real problem is that the walls in the trailer park are too damn thin.

It's pretty damn obvious that most of us have very little idea about what rap music really is. I sure as hell do not, but I have heard enough to realize that there is more than what the media makes it out to be.

I will give D18/J45 some credit - the troll did hit on a key ingredient in it's last sentence.   The simple word "amateurs" best describes both folk singers and rappers. I bet you don't know that rapping was also a street corner competition in the early days, and the idea of rapping was that it was something that everyone could do. Very reminiscent of the early days of the folk revival with people sitting in parks and making their own music. When the record industry came around and saw that money could be made, the rap industry began - much like the folk revival took hold with the Weavers and Kingston Trio and then everybody and their cousin Buford.

There is nothing new under the sun, including bigotry and ignorance.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:12 AM

Amen, Ron!

I absolutely agree with what you said about rap music in your 22 Jul 08 - 11:43 PM post.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Elijah Browning
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:07 AM

There is no such thing as an effect without a cause. With every generational movement, there is the generation that preceded it ready to push back. And that push back is vital and necessary. There's nothing worse than showing up for a revolution without an opposing side. There was a time when those that loved Perry Como couldn't stand those long-haired guitar players singing on the street corner, polluting their city. I can not say whether or not rap is folk music as I am just smart enough to know I ain't smart enough to know what either truly is. I also will not say that I enjoy having Stan Rogers out performed by thumping base that permeates every car within a two-block radius. I personally do not enjoy rap or much that it stands for, but I can understand that it has a cause, an impetus. Whether that impetus is rational and valid or self-serving and delusional, I also can not say. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Fact is, rallying against the effect has no effect on the cause. I remember a time when I could identify with punk, and as I grew older, so did this genre. As with rap, the source of the frustration and the anger were real. At the same time, youth, especially young men, and I was no exception, are easily addicted to the raw energy of anger. It is the last ditch effort before acceptance of our own mediocrity and insignificance in the "grand scheme." It also gives a high that is rather invigorating but like any drug can lead to a miserable come-down with a disasterous aftermath. But new paths were taken because of punk. The paths that the post-punk era took varied from commercially viable crap to deep and well-structured investigations into social issues and metaphysical concepts. Punk, in its base form, became a cliché of itself, but then again, what is cliché but a cultural forest fire, clearing out the dead wood for the new growth.

I do not understand rap as it is not my era, not my voice, not my basis for comparison. If the kid next door blasted his rap the same way I used to blast the Sex Pistols, I can not honestly say that I would not call the cops. But then that is what I am supposed to do. That is my role. To give them reason to crank it up louder and take the human experiment into directions I never imagined possible. Even if those directions are ones I would rather they did not take.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:30 AM

Curious to know, D18/J35, do you live near Dempster St?

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:32 AM

I said above that Rap (and punk) music, in many if not most cases, are agressive, violent, and threatening. On the other hand, if I were to say that rap and punk express the rage of certain groups, which is also true; then that would be a different thing.

Rage certainly is being expressed in these types of music - and there is a real value in that.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:52 AM

Punk, in its base form, became a cliché of itself, but then again, what is cliché but a cultural forest fire, clearing out the dead wood for the new growth
-Elijah Browning

Rlijan Browning, I agree with what you wrote. And I hope that even people who disagree with you can acknowledge how well written and thought provoking your 23 Jul 08 - 01:07 AM post is.

The excerpted sentence above is just one example of the high quality of your writing.

If Mudcat had a thread for "beautifully written comments", a fair judge would select this comment without any hesitation.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:23 AM

"But a society to embrace the gangster stuff and idolize it, I don't understand that thinking. To me the violence cannot be justified."

Western society is a culture saturated in violence and lack of respect for fellow human beings. Take a look at the TV and film output of the US and UK - a large part of this glorifies violence against the person and undermines the consequences of violence for the victim. We live in a culture that advocates torture, spends tens of millions piping endless scenes of violence into our homes, glorifies the use guns and knives and kills tens of thousands of innocents with impunity. This malaise goes deep into the rotten core of the modern western psyche.

From The Dark Knight to Rambo, The A Team to The Wire and the endless cop shows, all based around violence and it's casual acceptance as part of modern Western society. In this respect Rap is no different to any other music form created in the West, although violence seems to figure large in it's own cultural cliqué as a way of life.

Although I largely agree with Elijah's excellent post I think there is a fundamental difference between punk and rap and that's the influence of big business. Whereas punk and rap were/are essentially DIY music making at street level, their actual cultures are very different. Like many youth tribes, punk rallied against the establishment and wore clothes that were home-made, purchased for pence from jumble sales and charity shops and generally eschewed commercial influence on it's look (obviously this didn't last, and it wasn't long before big business got involved but there was never a major clothes industry based around punk, as individuality in dress was a core value to punks).

With rap however, though the look is based on the clothing produced by large multinationals such as Nike and Adidas - some suit in a boardroom in an posh office block is essentially dictating the look on the streets. The bling is ostentatious and expensive and the drinks of choice are Krystal, Krug and XO. This is not the level playing field the punks wanted to create by smashing the system, this is the system ensuring that many rap adherents are buying the labels and getting the latest gear.

They might be angry and ready for a rumble, but the disillusioned youth of the 21st Century certainly aren't revolutionaries, but well-trained consumers.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: mattkeen
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 06:57 AM

Like all forms there are good and bad examples, those that are using the form cos it genuinely speaks to them and those that are trying to make a fast buck.

A lot of Rap is brutal and, at its best, genuinely reflects where its coming from.

I would make music like that if, for instance, I had to live next door to pdq.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:02 AM

Can't stand this glorification of violence cultture. Still, it could be worse, they used to sing Robin Hood ballads.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: mattkeen
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:17 AM

Give me a good old incest ballad anytime

The glorification of incest - here in England by our saintly fore fathers!

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: GUEST,yahoo
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:26 AM

well according to me is not singing it's a poem set to music that's all, so how can it be new music when you have someone reding out a poem and then having a rhythm over the top of it.

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 08:33 AM

stigweard

"They might be angry and ready for a rumble, but the disillusioned youth of the 21st Century certainly aren't revolutionaries, but well-trained consumers."

Well done well said IMO ... I agree completely

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:37 AM

Sorry, but I find incest ballads relatively boring...

Should I get my coat now?

:D

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: synbyn
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:18 AM

Subject: RE: What is Folk? Is RAP the NEw Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:36 AM

100 homies.