Subject: BS: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:29 PM uses the radio to entrap his prey for aural torture? Is he one o those ole windbags who upon hearing a fiddler suddenly acquire a singing voice? Or is it his bad poetry trip? If you could would you ask him to shut the h**l up and let one of his rare real singer guests sing instead? |
Subject: RE: BS: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Amos Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM Well...no. I actually like ole Garrison's voice. Or I did when I listened to him sometime ago. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:06 PM A little elitist, are we? Granted, ol' Garrison ain't no Thomas Hampson, but he isn't all that bad. Sings pretty well, actually. Damned well for someone who doesn't really consider himself a singer. S'matter? He's got a gig and you don't? And his "real singer" guests aren't that rare. Robin and Linda Williams are regulars and I think they're pretty good. I can't really remember if Pat Donahue sings or not, but he plays the hell out of a guitar. Ever hear of Renee Fleming? Ever hear of Greg Brown? Ever hear of Jean Redpath? (. . . and on an on for three pages). When I was a DJ, every now and then I'd get some disgruntled listener who didn't like what I played (most of which was not my choice, really, but that of the program director). I would give them the standard answer: "Sir, you will note that your radio has at least two switches. One changes the station and the other turns it off. If you don't like what we play, I suggest you use either one or the other." Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:10 PM I take it you never won any awards for customer service, eh Don? Seriously, Keillor is the elitist prig. I can't stand to listen to him sing, and his writing is maudlin crap, too. But hey, we all get to have an opinion, right? |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:28 PM Well, when you're working for a classical music station and the caller wants you to play Mitch Miller, you can't really expect to receive any customer commendation certificates. Besides, that's what the program director suggested I say when I got doofus calls. Re: Garrison Keillor. If you don't like him, nobody (as far as I know) has a gun at your head forcing you to listen. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: BH Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:31 PM So---your criticism is of a man who is able to produce a quality radio program with great variety and substance on a weekly basis. Not easy to do. And---he does it ( in my ever not so humble opinion) with wit and creativity. ) As to his voice. Truly a very rich one capable of many different nuances. But the program is not about his voice---rather about the guests, the regular crew, and creativity. More substance than one finds on most radio programs. (I guess I should exclude mine --butin honesty he is better).Better thatn than the crap that is on most TV stations. Does TV stand for Terrible Viewing? Think Reality TV---a whole other horrible topic Bill Hahn |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:38 PM That's right, Sorefingers. According to the Official Rules in the United States, only bone fide singing sensations are allowed to sing. If you simply enjoy singing but can't sing well enough to cut a hit single, you are not allowed to sing in the United States. I think it's a law that Sonny Bono sneaked through Congress before he died. Singing is for commercial purposes only, and is not to be done for enjoyment. Yeah, I suppose Keillor isn't much of a singer, but it's always fun to listen to him. He's a consummate storyteller, and his songs are oftentimes just another means of storytelling. He does sing a mean gospel bass. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: JennyO Date: 08 Feb 03 - 10:58 PM I don't know who this guy is, but knowing that people can come on a public forum and criticise an individual for the quality of his voice might be enough to make some people think twice about singing in a session, for fear of not being thought good enough. Surely people should be able to sing just for the enjoyment of it, without getting shot down in flames! Jenny (passable singer who loves to sing) |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 03 - 11:21 PM Garrison Keillor IS NOT the producer of his program. He is what is known as "on-air talent". |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Neighmond Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:04 AM I heard him and the Hopefull Gospell quartet sing "there is a fountain filled with Blood", live, in Madison, WI once, and it would've wrung tears from a stone. And I like most of his programming. But then I always was the strange one around home... Chaz |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: mousethief Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:05 AM He has assembled a group of very funny writers, is a passable writer himself, and stands at the head of an eminently listenable radio show. Sure he's no Tennessee Ernie Ford, but hell, who was, except Tennessee Ernie Ford, and he's dead. Sorefingers, if you don't like it just don't listen. Whining about it makes me think you're jealous or something. Alex |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:19 AM Garrison Keillor invented the bleedin' show in the first place. Sure, he has a batch of writers working for him now, but he didn't at first. And as a writer, the only disagreement I have with what mousethief just said is that Keillor is not just a passable writer, he's a very good writer. Read some of his books. As a humorist, he ranks right up there with Mark Twain and Bill Nye. Everything on that show has his mark, whether writen by him or not, so I'm sure he has control over what's goind on (in fact, on a radio interview a few years back, Peter Ostroushko said exactly that). And he keeps crankin' the stuff out week after week. He's got the touch. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:22 AM possibly, if you write to Garrison and inform him of your opinion, he will immediately cease his polluting of your airwaves and go dig ditches somewhere. He seems an accomidating sort of fellow. When you have finished, you can work on whoever selects those to do the "Star Spangled Banner" at sports events. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: toadfrog Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:26 AM 1. This is another troll. 2. Nothing particularly wrong with Keillor's singing. Sure enough, "good enough for folk music," as we used to say in the 50's. 3. Except for your occasional opera singer or person from musicals, he sings about as well as anybody else on his program. 4. Hey, GUEST, who in hell are you? |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: katlaughing Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:45 AM I enjoy the show and his singing, but my favourite part is his storytelling, esp. Lake Woebegone. The only part I don't like is his singsongy recitation of poetry. Bugs the heck out of me. JennyO, the program is called Prairie Home Companion. If you put that in any search engine it will take you to their home page and you can listen to some of the archived shows. Well worth it!:-) kat |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 01:00 AM GUEST,sore Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: DougR Date: 09 Feb 03 - 01:16 AM However, GUEST sorefingers, you are correct. You DO have a right to your opinion. DougR |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Neighmond Date: 09 Feb 03 - 01:30 AM Ah, yes! Opinions! I think GUEST Sorefingers needs a trip to the local trade school, where the technical arts class can show them how to tune a radio, lower the volume, and turn off the power (there are TWO ways! Can you name them?) Oh, well. This country was built on opinions-we may as well harbor 'em all... |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 01:54 AM I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it--no matter how dorky it might be. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Feb 03 - 02:21 AM As an aside here........Almost 20 years ago I was flying all the time and I took my seat one evening on a flight that had been delayed badly out of Newark. It took a few minutes for me to realize that my odd looking seatmate was Garrison. After a stumbling kind of introduction, I immensely enjoyed the next two hours. I had been a fan for several years and I realized why he was such a good writer. As a salesman I was well trained in the art of listening and at turning the conversation away from myself and back toward my customer........and he had that same easy way of turning the conversation back to me and away from him.......and he was an astute listener. I enjoyed him even more after that brief meeting and have ever since. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: BlueJay Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:10 AM Beg to differ with our guest, but I think Garrison Keillor's voice is just fine. Probably better than our guest's. What's more important is his imagination, which has led to many, many superb radio shows. In fact, I've been listening to old tapes I made of PHC, trying to find a particular song. Keillor, along with an unknown female singer, did an about face on the old "Anything You can do, I can do Better", transforming it into: "Anything I can do You can do Better, You can do anything better than me, (No I can't, Yes you can) etc. Absolutely hilarious. If anyone knows the words to this parody, I'd be really grateful if you could post them. Guest- If you don't care for Garrison Keillor, why not switch your radio station. Maybe Rush Limbaugh, or one of his many clones, is more to your liking. BlueJay |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 09 Feb 03 - 11:04 AM Average voice yes, everyone agrees, but Radio Star ...naw ... I still hate to listen to the sanitised folk music he produces never mind his godalmighyaweful croaking... He is to Folk Music what Bob Jones is to Jesus! I think he uses his lil jack to write crapalley comedy so he can entrap and punish his prey. He should have been a bad preacher in some sucky badwoods town in Panama.... If a person who likes to sing - I hardly know any that don't - is put off because I give Garrison Keillor the croaker the thumbs down on the intenet then they should go live with him, since they would make a fitting audience. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Feb 03 - 11:16 AM Actually no....I think it's obvious you should take everyone's advice and tune him out, just don't turn on the program at all. Or does your radio automatically come on and force you to listen? Spaw |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Feb 03 - 11:28 AM "...is a passable writer himself" - amazing. Garrison Keillor is a superb story teller, both writing it down and reading it out. And when he sings he doesn't put himself in the way of the song, he just sings it and that's the first and most important quality in any singer. I've said it before - any time people might feel tempted to write of America as a bad dream that came true, they should think of Garrison Keillor. Remember the bit in the Bible where God's feeling really pissed off with the city of Sodom and wants to destroy it, and Abraham bargains him down to agreeing that if there are "ten just men" there he won't? I think Garrison Keillor might be one of the ten just men(or women) who might give God reason to spare America in such an eventuality. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: JennyO Date: 09 Feb 03 - 11:41 AM Well sorefingers, as I said before, I've never heard the man sing, but it seems from others' postings that you don't have much agreement, and like so many other things in life, it is just a matter of taste - so stop whingeing and turn your radio off!!!!! |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Dexter Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:46 PM Speaking of Pat Donahue, yes he does sing. In fact, he penned a parody of "Swingin' on a Star" and sang it on PHC. It should be required listnin' matter for all in this forum. It begins: Would you like to play the guitar And bring your money home in a jar From a coffee house or a bar Or would you rather get a job? A job is the thing that makes you get out of bed... |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:47 PM Amen, Kevin! JennyO, it's too bad you've never heard him. I think he's one of the funniest people on earth. He has a great knack for zeroing in on the Human Condition and poking gentle (and sometimes not so gentle) fun at the little day-by-day peccadillos we all fall heir to. One recognizes oneself in his humor. As I said above, I consider him to be one of the world's great humorists, right along with Mark Twain (but not quite as ascerbic). And although he probably won't give Bryn Terfel any serious competition, he has a warm, pleasant baritone voice. Very listenable. If you have RealPlayer, you can listen to him at the Prairie Home Companion website here: http://phc.mpr.org. Most of the shows are archived. Enjoy! Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM We cross-posted, Dexter. Yes, now I remember that! Fantastic! Could you post the rest of it? Please, please, please? Don Firth |
Subject: Lyr Add: WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY THE GUITAR? From: Dexter Date: 09 Feb 03 - 02:48 PM Here's that Pat Donahue parody. Would you like to play the guitar And bring your money home in a jar From a coffee house or a bar Or would you rather get a job A job is the thing that makes you get out of bed And work every day until you're dead Your feet are aching and your brain is numb And you just can't wait until the weekends come But if you don't want to starve or beg or rob You'll probobly have to get a job Or would you like to play the guitar And drive for miles and miles in your car You can pretend that you're a big star Or would you rather book the gigs An agent's the guy that gets his twenty percent What he says ain't exactly what he meant He'll clean you out in ways you never thought 'Cause he's good at business and he knows you're not And he'll sue if you ever make it big 'Cause he's the guy that booked the gig Or would you like to play the guitar For a living (hardy-har-har) I admit it's kind of bizarre But would you rather be the wife The wife is the one who's got to rescue our butts She's either a saint or else she's nuts She gets impatient and she gets annoyed Becuase she's the one who must remain employed By the way if you want to wreck your life Become a guitar player's wife Cause the monkey's aren't all in the zoo They can be trained to play the guitar too Some of them a whole lot better than you But even if you don't go far You could be worse of than you are At least your playing your guitar. "Swingin' on a Star" has always been on my, "songs I need to learn" list. Hearing these lyrics moved it to the top slot. They love it at open mics. dex |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:03 PM I enjoy listening to PHC -- I wish we had something like it on British radio. Thank God for online programmes! BJ |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:25 PM Prairie Home Companion is one of those programs that, if I'm listening to it in the truck, I sit in the parking lot and listen to the end of the story before going about my business. Keillor's stories are tops. Guy Noir has some pretty funny adventures, and while I didn't think Keillor had a great singing voice when I started listening to the program years ago, I'm used to it and don't mind it. He also scores a "10" week after week as he identifies idiosyncracies in Norwegian-American life. He brings self observation and humor to his stories in the same way that Jean Shepherd did. SRS |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: DougR Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:30 PM I enjoy PHC. Garrison is not the greatest vocalist I have heard, but he's certainly not the worst. Anybody ever heard Florence Foster Jenkins? Interesting story Spaw. Thanks for sharing. DougR |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST,Russ Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:39 PM I love PHC. But... I find Garrison's singing annoying when he sings with his guests. To my ears (with the emphasis on "my ears") he does not bring enough to the table vocally to justify the airtime spent . I almost always think afterwards that I would much rather have heard the guest do what s/he usually does rather than a lame duet with Garrison. I love GK. But... I have always thought that Garrison's duets with his guest artists were TOO self indulgent. I can handle a certain level of self-indulgence from GK, but the singing exceeds my tolerance parameters. Russ (Still a GUEST after all these years) |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 09 Feb 03 - 03:42 PM Dexter -- did you see this thread about Pat Donahue's 'Mr Soundman'? I'm learning this one for the soundcheck! BJ |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Walking Eagle Date: 09 Feb 03 - 05:08 PM Wow Spaw! Lucky you! I too am a fan of PHC. However, I think the show of late has been a bit stale. Just like before when he decided to quit doing the show. Do you all remember that? One of my favorite parts is when Garrison and Sue do their one of their'he said she said' sketches. Some of the musicians are a bit funky at times, but I've been introduced to a lot of new musical styles by the show. I had never heard of Hawaiian Slack Key guitar before PHC. Don't for get Pat Donohue's Icky Yucky Sushi. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: sadidlady Date: 09 Feb 03 - 05:12 PM A Prairie Home Companion is a great show that continues a disappearing tradition. Perhaps Garrison Keillor is not the best singer in the world but neither is his voice by any means tortuous. And what is this about rare guest singers? A guest singer or musician is featured in every show, and I can think of very few that are not wonderful. Keillor has the kind of voice that is made more interesting by its imperfections and which works well in duets. He is sympathetic and his stories are ones which hit upon the experiences which all of us share but which we made have felt that only we have had. (maybe that sentence was a little confusing:) ) anyway as many others have already suggested, if you really can't stand it, then turn off your radio, stupid. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: sadidlady Date: 09 Feb 03 - 05:19 PM to blue jay, the best way to find out who wrote the parody is to visit www.prairiehome.org . It helps if you know the day and month of the show, but even if you only know the month you will be able to find it with a bit of diligent searching. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Jim Dixon Date: 09 Feb 03 - 05:36 PM Give this guest credit for more intelligence than most trolls. At least he spells Garrison Keillor's name right. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: mandomad Date: 09 Feb 03 - 05:46 PM It's very strange that this thread should crop up on Mudcat just now, I usually have music all the time in the car, but this week dug out "We Are Still Married" a double tape by Garrison Kiellor and have played it over several times, (I've had the tape for years at the back of a drawer, never bothering to play it), (bought it in a sale for pennies way back)> Thoroughly enjoying it. As I have done the Prairie Home Companion shows since I joined the web. Great guests, great humour, and a Buddy Holly fan to boot. His voice,well, my voice is shit but I've got away with singing in public for 35 years. I hope Mr/Ms sorefingers, you are really effin' good to be so critical> mandomad |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Feb 03 - 07:19 PM Dexter, thank you for the words! It's on my "must learn" list. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Feb 03 - 07:32 PM The thing that makes it tricky for people in the British Isles is that we are used to seing Keiller's Marmalade on the shelves when we go shopping. The idea that anyone should be inhibited from singing because they aren't specially talented in that way is one thta should be knocke doing the head. Garrison Keillor isn't on the show as a guest singer, he's there to run it and to tell stories and to communicate generally, and singing is part of that. And anyone who heard him singing the song Tom Paxton write, right after September 11, about the firemen who died (The Bravest) and who didn't find that powerful - well, I wouldn't have too much respect for their listening abilities. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 09 Feb 03 - 07:48 PM I turned the dial today because another idiot afternoon was in the works and guess what I found? Blues, down home real blues, by a real blues singer who would never ever make it in Embarrasin Sqealor's show ... I wonder why? |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: BH Date: 09 Feb 03 - 08:37 PM I suppose the thread has gone on long enough at this point---the bottom line is that the program is not about GK's singing---it is about the content of the entire thing. For creativity---it cannot be beat. It harkens back to the golden age of radio. Thank heaven since most radio is automated "crap" these days--- they are so automated that only the networks and NPR were able to cover the Columbia disaster. Top 40 continued in its automated cocoon. Serving those who like being in such a cocoon. But--back to GK. Talent and creativity. Can't say more than that---our guest(sore fingers--I guess the name explains it) seems to be stuck in a nit picking rut for whatever reason that is hard to understand. Bill Hahn |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: GUEST Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:22 AM The show has been on for almost thirty years. Garrison Keillor had his mid-life crisis, dumped his partner, the show's producer Margaret Moos and their kids, and ran off to Denmark with a younger woman, trashing Minnesota and Minnesotans as parochial on his way out of town. It was then he became known publicly (those who worked with him and knew him had known for quite awhile already) as a notorious loser, who was nothing without his program because his huge ego had nowhere to go. So in just two short years, it was back to PHC. The program is well beyond the use by date, IMO and so is the bitter and cynical Mr. Keillor. Although I will give him this much, he came down on the right side of the Republican manufactured Wellstone memorial "controversy" and shocked the pundits with his remarks. The reason why his remarks were so shocking to Beltway pundits is because he has about as much integrity as they do. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:50 AM Jenny, Prairie Home Companion was on the radio years ago - ABC radio naturally, not the commercial stations. Maybe Radio National - on Sunday night?? sandra (dredging the bottom of a very bad memory) maybe someone with a better memory can say when & here |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Willie-O Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:34 AM I like Mr Keillor's storytelling and radio show very much. Can't abide his singing, at least when he tries to sing an actual song--i.e. one not written by him, since his own compositions accommodate his limited vocal range and are more like recitations. (Who couldn't like "I am your cat?") Sorry McGrath, but when I heard the 9-11 song, my reaction was "great song, wish I could hear Tom Paxton (the composer) singing it." When I was working as a helpdesk agent, a caller once told me I sounded like Garrison Keillor! Made my day, since (a)I wasn't singing, and (b) he's not that well-known in Canada. What someone's midlife crisis has to do with his performance on his radio show is a complete mystery to me, since he is not a preacher but an entertainer. Willie-O |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Sam L Date: 10 Feb 03 - 09:46 AM I like the show, most times. His singing voice seems to me to have an odd self-conscious quality, like an actor whose eyes subtly look out to the audience for reaction after a line. I haven't heard him do much straight singing, mostly comic songs and parodies, and they're all right as that. Comic songs are really hard to be really funny with, they tend to be amusing, and clever. I don't know if I'd compare Keillor to Twain, as an artist. But he's good. Personally, I don't really care about that stuff. But I did hear him tell Terri Gross in an interview,that the erotic and the comedic don't mix. Pause. Then he explained, if a woman laughs out loud in bed, that's not a good thing. I guess I felt sorry for him, for being still so insecure--as he often describes himself--that he thinks that. He seemed so serious, I felt bad for him. He's missing a really good combination there. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:46 AM Seeming serious is the key joke with Garrison Keillor surely. Maybe it's the old irony thing cropping up again. I think people over here might actually find him more on our wavelength than some do back home. Cheerful melancholy, that's his approach to life, and it's one I find very well-judged. I often prefer to hear a song sung by someone who isn't so good that you start to listen to the singing rather than the song. Or so bad that the same thing happens. Garrison falls into that middle range where the song, especially the words, are what matters. |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: EBarnacle1 Date: 10 Feb 03 - 01:20 PM There have been times that I have felt that PHC was getting stale for me. Taking a break for several months helped me come back to it with a feeling of freshness. For a while in the 80's, I made sure each show was recorded if I had reason not to be home to listed. If you have really listened to his voice, you probably have noticed that he seems to have taken voice lessons. In the beginning, his singing was pretty bad but someone seemed to take him in hand about 10 years ago. Now, he's as good as most of us. [give or take] |
Subject: RE: Garrison Keillor the bad singer who .. From: Don Firth Date: 10 Feb 03 - 01:24 PM I can see here that some folks who don't like Garrison Keillor don't understand his brand of humor. Bitterness and insecurity have nothing to do with it. Just the opposite. Pity. . . . Don Firth |
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