BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:45 AM

You and your friend have always targeted people Bobad, from claiming them to be potential sexual perverts by way of their religion, through, suggesting that they have no right to their traditional homeland to branding them all as suspect terrorists.

You must dwell in an alternate reality - alternate to the truth - one that you so much want to believe. Best of luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:11 AM

And you - go read your own posts
You produced for enormous pages of cut- 'n-pastes on supposed Muslim Crimes, dating back to early Christianity - biggest posing I've ever seen on this forum.
And stop accusing critics of Israel of being Antisemitic - it's Antisemitic.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:12 AM

"Israel is a great place to live for Jews and non Jews alike - attested to by the fact that the vast majority of non Jews say that they would rather live in Israel than any other state in the world."

Please provide the date of the referendum, details of the question asked, the turnout percentage and the results statistics. When you've provided the figures for us, we can mull over the fact that most people who are asked whether they'd like to live in the country they were born in, in which they went to school and go to work and in which they have made their homes, and in which their families live, rather than somewhere else...oh, never mind. You wouldn't get it anyway.

Bloody buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:25 AM

Here's a great alternative to the truth propagated by bobad the forum cheat and his pathetic ally. Try suggesting that the hundreds of Gaza children who were killed by deliberately-targeted IDF shelling of schools and homes were killed by Israeli aggression. They'll tell you you're lying, that the children were murdered by Hamas. That's the kind of people who think they have the monopoly of opinion on the definition of antisemitism. I must say, bobad, considering how you cheated this forum for so long with your secret multiple identities, you would appear to be the last person here to be lecturing anyone else about "truth."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:53 AM

The Inequality Report
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 10:10 AM

"Blatant, disgusting lie."
You really don't want me to dig up....... nah - couldn't possibly.

You can not, because it is a blatant and disgusting lie.
I have never even mildly criticised any faith.
You have once again resorted to lying personal attack instead of discussing the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 10:17 AM

Jim,
Where is your evidence that there is a serious problem in the Labout party

Among those I have quoted saying that there is are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee.

and where has any prominent Labour leader or body claimed that Anti-Semitism exists in the Party

See above!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 11:37 AM

Where are any of them suggesting that there is a serious problem and, if there is, what is it - how is it manifesting itself?
Sorry Keith - no cigar
That's two threads on which you are making unstanitiated claims which you refuse to qualify - why not open another one and we'll see if we can't get you into the Guinness Book of Records?
Who says there is a serious problem apart from the Pro-Israeli suckholes - what form does that problem take - why has it happened - if an inquiry indicates guilt in advance, doesn't that make Cameron's clowns guilty of Islamophobia.
You have refused to respond to any of these and will continue to do so 'cause that's what you're like.
Lord Levy, labour member of the house of Lords says there's a serious problem.
He was a founding member of the Jewish Leadership Council, the leadership of UK Jewish community. Levy has close ties with Israeli political leaders. His son, Daniel Levy, was active in Israeli political life, and has served as an assistant to the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and to Knesset member Yossi Beilin. Daniel is now based in the UK and is head of the Middle East Department of the European Council of Foreign Relations. Levy has praised Blair for his "solid and committed support of the State of Israel"[6] and "his commitment to the peace process".
Worth reading this - but you won't, or if you do, you won't answer any of the points it makes.
Doesn't matter - it's not for your benefit
Does Labour have a Problem?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 12:00 PM

Keith - you know we know what you're up to...


.. y'know..... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:18 PM

Pfr,
You mean I am revealed as part of the global conspiracy.
Who betrayed me?

jim,
Where are any of them suggesting that there is a serious problem

The Labour NEC.
"Shami Chakrabarti, who will be chairing a wider ranging inquiry looking at anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries. "
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Labour Mayor of London.
"Jeremy Corbyn accused of failing to 'call out' Labour antisemitism by Sadiq Khan

He added: "If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out. The fact that that person happens to be from my party, the fact that the leader of my party is failing to call it out, that's irrelevant. I have to call it out."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-failing-to-call-out-antisemitism-in-labour-sadiq-khan-a7025696.html

Former leader of Scottish Labour Party.

Former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy accuses Momentum of having, "a problem with antisemitism ."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/only-jewish-candidate-for-labours-ruling-nec-blocked-after-intervention-by-jim-mur
http://labourlist.org/2016/06/momentum-candidate-set-to-pursue-second-nomination-for-nec-after-local-setback/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:42 PM

""Shami Chakrabarti,"
You are telling porkies acgain Keith - she has said that Antisemitism is "a serious issue" - she didn't say it was a serious issue within the Labour Party - nobody hass, nor could they until they ahve had the result of any enquiry they hold.
You are making it up.
Sadiq Khan has not said their is a problem other than the row that has blown up might have affected his election as mayor - as your quote says ""If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out.", which is quite right - he hasn't said there was a problem; as with Chakrabati. nobody can claim a problem until they have had the result of any enquiry they hold. - you are making it up.
"Former Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy" - is an extremist right winger and a member of several pro-Israeli organisations. - you've been told this before, with the links.
Is that it?
As I said, your making it up and why would a pro Israeli extreme right winger do anything else?
Where is your proof?
You live to smear, don't you Irish people - who you accuse of hating Britain (yet, like here, you can't even explain how that hate manifests itself), Irish kids, now Labour tr Party members .
Gawd save us from vitriol-throwing eejits!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:51 PM

Keith - ok.. so a concerted effort from all directions in the media to publicly accuse Labour of antisemitism
succeeds in forcing the party to hold internal inquiries..

That is to be expected, on two counts..

1. the party takes this seriously enough to need to establish if this is true and root out miscreants.

2. the party is forced into a public display of PR damage limitation
to immediately show sincere willingness to address any alleged problem with said inquiries..

Labour resources and personnel are now tied up in distracting, divisive, time and money wasting, and most probably futile activity...

The sly organized enemies of Corby's Labour Leadership then immediately jump on these inquires as certain proof of anti semitism..

As dirty political tricks go.. this one is so obvious and simple in it's execution... Well done Keith et al... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:54 PM

I suggest that if the Labour Party has a problem then it is that it has been infiltrated by Extremist Right Wing, atrocity-denying Israeli supporters - maybe that should be the subject of an enquiry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:58 PM

she Chakrabarti) has said that Antisemitism is "a serious issue"
I never said she did.
The NEC said it was "a serious issue" according to Labour List.

Sadiq Khan has not said their is a problem other than the row that has blown up might have affected his election as mayor - as your quote says ""If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out.", which is quite right

Yes it is quite right, and he accused Corbyn of failing to call out antisemitism in Labour.

"Former Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy" - is an extremist right winger

Rubbish. How can a lifelong Labour activist be "an extremist right winger?"
That is a ludicrous assertion. Ridiculous.

and a member of several pro-Israeli organisations.

So what?
Lots of people, left and right wing and from all parties, are "pro-Israel."
They are still allowed to object to anti-semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 02:11 PM

Just a hunch, but I've been suspicious of the ex tory MPs who fled the sinking ship
to join the Labour party as soon as Blair won and became Prime Minister....???

Jim - you have the research expertise and discipline that I lack, to establish how many are still remaining and active
within the Labour Party...


Keith - I'd like to stay and play but the wife has just got back from a stress busting away from it all week
with a retired lady travel companion, relaxing in the rain soaked channel islands...

She has come home refreshed and highly amorous..
I hope my back and knees hold out.. wish me luck.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:01 PM

Good luck Pfr.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:04 PM

"I never said she did."
You claimed it was and put her up as proof - more smoke and mirrors then?
"Yes it is quite right, and he accused Corbyn of failing to call out antisemitism in Labour"
He said there was no proof, as with Chakrabari, you claimed there was and put him up to show there was a serious problem - you lied.
"Rubbish. How can a lifelong Labour activist be "an extremist right winger?"
You mean Tony Blair was a socialist......!!!!!!
You've already had this but here goes again.
"He was the Chair of the Labour Friends of Israel from 2001 to 2002,[20] (describes as "less unquestioning in its support of the Israeli government than the Conservative Friends of Israel") and is a member of the Henry Jackson Society's Political Council.[21]
Wiik (link above)
"Lots of people, left and right wing and from all parties, are "pro-Israel.""
No left wingers have supported this Israeli regimes terrorism andf mass-murder, none - as you rightly say - "That is a ludicrous assertion. Ridiculous."
Off to follow PFR's example - Casualty beacons - dramatised bloodletting is far less stomach-heaving than this slef-inflicted masochistic nonsense.
Any sign of the proof for that serious problem yet Keith?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 05:42 PM

Dear Jesus and all the saints in heaven, not this same old mound of pigshit over again that anyone who criticizes the policies and actions of the current Israeli government is an "anti-semite".

The same old ignorant moron ideaologues that claim this are in the same category holocaust deniers, flat earthers, creationists, Trump Republicans and the host of others to whom facts are irrelevant.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ENGAGING THEM!!!

Better use of your time would be pounding salt down a rat hole.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:50 PM

Just ignore him and he'll go away, folks.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 07:02 PM

I assume you're referring to yourself, BooBad - however you're like the police in the Pirates of Penzance: "we go we go" --- yes, but you DON't go" ................

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:52 PM

Greg, this bobad bloke is the most scurrilous, lying, dishonest, piss-taking cheating bastard that this forum has ever had to endure. He pretended that he needed to be anonymous "in order that we address the issue, not the man," whilst simultaneously calling us Jew haters. That's what we're dealing with. He has never been chastised nor punished for his severe dishonesty, therefore I think that he should be attacked for his dissembling arch-bigotry every time he posts. And he needs to be careful, as one day I'll tell the racist bastard what I really think!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 04:05 AM

Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti.
Khan never said there was "no proof."
He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism.
There are no "extremist right wingers in the Labour Party, but there are extremiist left wingers.
People from all parties and political persuasions support Israel.
That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:16 AM

"Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti."]You put her up to suggest that she supported your case - she doesn't - you aer now back-pedaling - it's what you do.
"Khan never said there was "no proof."
There is no proof and won't be until there is a proper enquiry - how can he or anybody claim anything until that happens?
"He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism."
That is a political criticism of how Corbyn acted, not a suggestion of any problem - it has more to do with a forthcoming election than it did Antisemitism in the Labour Party.
""extremist right wingers in the Labour Party, "
Of course there are - you've been shown one - Tony Blair was another - plenty more examples in history (try Mosley) - any Labour person who supports Israel is supporting an extremist terrorist State.
Politics is no longer a calling, it's a career and it has been for a long time.
You have been given the Guardian comments - you ignore them
"People from all parties and political persuasions support Israel."
All parties have their share of extremists.
"That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism."
How dare you - where have I?
You are the ones who link the Jewish people as a whole to Israeli war crimes, massacres and acts of terror - not me.
Squalid as ever.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 09:34 AM

That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism.

However it SHOULD prevent "them from" INVENTING antisemitism and making accusations thereof where it doesnt exist.

I hope you recognise yourself as one of the latter "them", Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 01:33 PM

"Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti."]You put her up to suggest that she supported your case - she doesn't - you aer now back-pedaling - it's what you do.

Not true.
Her name just appeared incidentally in a quote I pasted in.
I had never typed her name before you made that false claim.

"He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism."
That is a political criticism of how Corbyn acted, not a suggestion of any problem

No. It shows that he knows of antisemitism that Corbyn has done nothing about.

any Labour person who supports Israel is supporting an extremist terrorist State.

No liberal democracy or democratic party regards Israel as such.
Your assertion is based on nothing, and is false.

You have been given the Guardian comments - you ignore them

Yes, as you ignore the Guardian comments that say the opposite.

How dare you - where have I?

You appear to believe that we should dismiss the views on antisemitism of anyone who supports Israel.

You are the ones who link the Jewish people as a whole to Israeli war crimes, massacres and acts of terror - not me.

Like every liberal democracy in the world, I do not accept that Israel has committed any "war crimes, massacres and acts of terror."

I am not so gullible as to accept without question the propaganda of Israel's enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 01:36 PM

Where is your evidence that there is a serious problem in the Labout party

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:01 PM

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem...

Yeak, Professor, but what do the live, eminent historians whose books are available in Blackstone's have to say?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:25 PM

"No. It shows that he knows of antisemitism that Corbyn has done nothing about."

What antisemitism, Keith? Spell it out for us, please, Keith. Give us chapter and verse about the antisemitism which, IN YOUR OPINION, no-one else's if you don't mind, you have PERSONALLY detected in the Labour Party. Not the ones from newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources, just from in your own head. Come on, Keith, piss or get off the pot. I want to know, right now, unadorned, who has said what that, IN KEITH'S OPINION, no-one else's, in the Labour Party that is antisemitic. Out with it. No quotes, no more of your vacillating, appealing-to-authority, pusillanimous bullshit. What antisemitism has your twitchy antennae picked up, Keith, and why do you think it's antisemitic? Time you got honest and answered, Keith. You really don't want us all thinking that you're no more than just another, simpering, prejudiced, lying, forum-cheating bobad clone, do you? Or do you!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:33 PM

Keith - you've reached your usual inevitable mental blockage in your argument..

"rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. "

..are you actually aware you are doing this..???

I have to put up with my mother doing this all the time since she was diagnosed with memory loss and confusion.... 😣

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:39 PM

Keith - we actually discussed this behaviour several threads ago when you let slip you were unwell.
But we didn't want to pry any further into your privacy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 07:17 PM

Cheers, pfr. It's about time we went for the bloody jugulars of these lying, prejudiced bloody hypocrites. Children die en masse at the hands of the IDF and they tell us that Hamas murdered those kids. Illegal Yankee cluster bomblets, strewn all over southern Lebanon in the hundreds of thousands by the IDF, blow the legs off hundreds of children playing in the fields to this day, and we get told by these two bastards that Hezbollah maimed those kids. Black is white, blood is paint, blood is paint, blood is paint. Let's keep calling it like it is. It helps that one of this disconsolate pair, bobad, is a massive cheat of everyone on this forum, and that Keith is his scurrilous apologist. That much is certain. We don't need these facts at our disposal, of course, but it does no harm to keep reminding ourselves of the ratbags that we're up against.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 10:56 PM

I should be in bed - but it's too hot and stuffy.. and I have indigestion....

Keith - Please believe I am not saying any of this out of spite or wanting to hurt..

https://www.agingcare.com/Articles/respond-when-dementia-causes-elder-to-repeat-150912.htm


"As a group, seniors are known for repeating themselves.
Whether it's a story from their past, or an amusing joke they just heard, our aging loved ones have a tendency to say the same thing multiple times....

... However, there is a difference between an elder who repeats every once in a while, and an elder who has dementia and asks the same question multiple times
in a matter of minutes, or regales you with the same story several times in one day.
When this happens, it can be difficult for a frustrated caregiver to know how to respond, and how to get them to stop...."

I am overly aware and sensitive due to prevailing family circumstances...

I don't know your age or anything about your personal profile,
but I see signs that a closer friend or relative should not be so shy to bring to the attention
of at least a few mudcatters....

If I've raised an issue already of concern.. start by googling "dementia loop"


... or maybe [fingers crossed] you are fully compos mentis and are quite knowingly
employing the 'ignore what we say and repeat us into submission tactic'...


As a mudcat 'mate', who also enjoys robust argument I hope it's the latter.... 😐

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 03:49 AM

Pfr, I appreciate your concern, but it is misplaced, at least in terms of dementia.
I am indeed unwell, but with a cancer that has no symptoms until near the end.

Steve,
What antisemitism, Keith? Spell it out for us, please, Keith. Give us chapter and verse about the antisemitism which, IN YOUR OPINION, no-one else's if you don't mind, you have PERSONALLY detected in the Labour Party.

None Steve. I do not monitor the tweets and statements of left wing politicos.

Not the ones from newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources, just from in your own head.

I do not make assertions just from my own head Steve.
I have quoted high profile people within Labour who are quite clear that there is an antisemitism problem within Labour.
Not from "newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources."

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 06:03 AM

I want you to stop telling lies. I asked for your OPINIONS, not your "assertions". You need to stop relaying other people's assertions as if you were a shrugging Pontius Pilate clone, and start thinking for yourself.

"What antisemitism?" - "None, Steve..."

So what does this mean, then, Keith?

"No. It shows that he knows of antisemitism that Corbyn has done nothing about."

"None," eh? So where in your statement does it say "alleged antisemitism?" Your statement clearly indicates that the antisemitism, to your mind, is a fact. So I ask you again. IN YOUR OPINION, who are these Labour antisemites and precisely what did they say that was antisemitic? Stop kidding us, Keith. You believe that this antisemitism exists. You've been babbling on about Labour's "problem" for weeks. So it's about time you came clean and told us WHAT YOU THINK. I've told you what I think - that it's a concerted ploy to tarnish a party with a left-wing leader. That, like any organisation, including your Church and the Tories, there will be a few rotten apples. There will also be people who need educating in how to watch their mouths. But Labour is not an antisemitic party. And don't lie to us by telling us that Corbyn is "doing nothing." There is a damn sight more going on in Labour to investigate and root out alleged antisemitism than in all the smugly-watching organisations that you favour combined.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 07:52 AM

Steve,
. I asked for your OPINIONS, not your "assertions".

It is my opinion that all those high profile Labour people would not make up their claims of antisemitism.
I do now believe that labour has a serious problem with it, but only because of the testimony of all those people in a position to know, which I readily admit I am not.

So where in your statement does it say "alleged antisemitism?"

So where in any of their statements does it say "alleged antisemitism?"

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 08:51 AM

Keith, the more they're trying to whitewash the anti-semitism the deeper the hole they're digging for themselves. Clearly they have to deny it otherwise they would have to admit to it themselves as they adhere to the same views.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 10:00 AM

I am whitewashing nothing and denying nothing. If you think, either of you, that anyone in the Labour Party has shown themselves to be an antisemite by dint of something they have said, I want to know from you exactly who and precisely what you think was antisemitic about what they said. You can't keep smearing people then refusing to back up your claims. And please don't lie to us yet again telling us with a shrug that it isn't you, you're just the messenger boy, etc. You know bloody well that you believe the claims otherwise you wouldn't have been prattling on about them for week after week. Either you can do what I'm asking or you're making up stuff as you go along, or you're frightened of getting sued for defamation or something, who knows why you're both being so cowardly about it. As a matter of fact, the "serious problem" for Labour is being kept on the boil only by bigots like you two - actually, Labour is showing itself to be highly responsible in the way it is investigating the allegations. I suggest you both stop moaning about it and wait for the outcome of the enquiries. Which you'll doubtless tell us were a big fix. *Yawn*

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 10:12 AM

"Keith, the more they're trying to whitewash the anti-semitism the deeper the hole they're digging for themselves. Clearly they have to deny it otherwise they would have to admit to it themselves as they adhere to the same views."

What views, please? And who are "they" that adhere to these views, that is, are antisemites? Let's have a full list of names, please, and let's have evidence from any our quotes that we're antisemitic. You weren't courageous enough to post openly when you were being a dishonest, cheating Guest poster with two identities for cover, so let's see if you're brave enough now to give us your full list of forum antisemites, with backup of course.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 11:22 AM

Steve,
You know bloody well that you believe the claims otherwise you wouldn't have been prattling on about them for week after week.

I said I believe the claims.
I said, "It is my opinion that all those high profile Labour people would not make up their claims of antisemitism.
I do now believe that Labour has a serious problem with it, but only because of the testimony of all those people in a position to know, which I readily admit I am not."

What grounds do you have for dismissing their claims Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 12:46 PM

You can't keep smearing people then refusing to back up your claims.

Why sure they can, Steve! That's what they've always done - with BeardedBozo, TeriToon and one or two others joining in the chorus from time to time. Same old same old.

Give it up - your head's getting bloody from being beaten against that brick wall of stupidity, ignorance and general pig-headedness.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 01:35 PM

I have not smeared or even accused any individual.
I have just quoted prominent Labour people.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 01:49 PM

"I have just quoted prominent Labour people."
Correction - should read "misquoted"
"I have not smeared or even accused any individual."
Accusing members of this forum of Anti-Antisemitism is as smeary as it gets - you do it all the time.
"Keith, the more they're trying to whitewash the anti-semitism the deeper the hole they're digging for themselves"
And the more you accuse critics of Israel of being Anti-Semitic, the more Anti-Semitic you become.
Who has attacked the Jewish peole here on this thread (answer - with quotes or be exposed as a liar)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 02:27 PM

Correction - should read "misquoted"

If that is not another lie, produce it Jim.

Accusing members of this forum of Anti-Antisemitism is as smeary as it gets - you do it all the time.

I never have, except that I identified Richard's comment about Jewish influence as antisemitic.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 03:10 PM

"If that is not another lie, produce it Jim."
You have been misquoting throughout - particularly by claiming that people regard there to be a problem when they can't possibly know if their is one until an enquiry has been held
Do not call me a lair at a time when yours are choking you - here and elsewhere.
I really don't need to tell lies - you have consistently destroyed your own case, again, here and elsewhere.
Your kneekjerk reaction to facts is to call me a liar - that's infantile
That's simply not true - you have done so for as long as I can remember, quite often with a question mark "antisemitism"
Your squalid running mate can't stop himself even though he knows it's antisemitic to do so.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 05:04 PM

Accusing members of this forum of Anti-Antisemitism is as smeary as it gets

Hah.......this from someone who is quick to scream Islamophobe at members.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 05:44 PM

Keith, you deliberately misquote all the time. I exposed you over Geoffrey Wheatcroft, one of the most shameful episodes of persistent lying ever seen on this forum, and you did it again over Jackie Walker in this thread. You want to believe in the alleged Labour antisemitism so you prune and trim the quotes to make it look as bad as possible and yiu keep it going for week after week after week. I demonstrated precisely what you do way up this thread, there for all to see. You ascribe statements to people that they haven't made, anything to twist things round to your bigoted agenda. If you had any decency at all about you, and had even the slightest regard for your own integrity, you would disown that dishonest forum cheat who is your only ally, but you are silent about that. Speaks volumes. Your only friend is a man who scurrilously calls decent people antisemites and Jew-haters and who is known for hiding behind a secret second identity. But you're perfectly happy to have him supporting you. Well that leaves us in no doubt whatsoever as to what kind of man you are, and it isn't nice.

I don't need to give it up, Greg. My skull is steel-lined, I have the hide of a rhino and I can get very bloody-minded when I want to be, especially when confronted with blatant dishonesty and bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 07:14 PM

I don't need to give it up, Greg. My skull is steel-lined.....

Yeah, Steve, but is it worth your time?

You can't cure stupid, and you can't educate pork.

;>)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 07:35 PM

Very true,Greg, very true. But these guys, who set the tone for this forum, are actually easy meat. The Keith/bobad axis has never got a leg to stand on. Their modus operandi is to lie and misrepresent. I mean, bobad, as we all know too well, is a rather brainless forum cheat, but Keith...ah, Keith... Well, he's solidly in bed with bobad, having defended him several times, in spite of his slurs and his utter hypocrisy and cowardice in assuming a second, secret identity with which to attack decent people. We already know about bobad, who is a shallow, mindless,cheating bigot, but Keith? Well, Keith can define himself as far as I'm concerned. The rest of us can define him by his shallow friends, his Israel sycophancy and the dishonest nonsense he invariably posts here.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 08:00 PM

Can't argue with that, Steve.

Be well,

G.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 02:13 AM

You two certainly are your own cheerleaders.
Try addressing the serious points being made without the abusive insulting tone.

Seems to me that there is a twisted anti-Semitism amongst many of the Labour Party members who have invested most of their political lives in championing the cause of the Palestinian people......the truth seems to me that the Palestinians have been shamelessly abused by their own successive leadership AND Global political groupings, who's interests have been advanced by continuing the dispute.

The whole issue could and should have been brought to a conclusion decades ago.......Anti-Semitism is a symptom of years of hypocrisy.