BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:01 PM

BTW that was 200!

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans sin
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:12 PM

We are not all sinners. Full stop.

Here in the civilised world you have to be judged by a court not subjectively pre judged by delusion merchants.

Sorry but I am astounded by someone who keeps trying to take the moral high ground come out with a million get out clauses for only abiding by their religion when it suits them.

And then tries decrying decent people for taking religion as seriously as you obviously do. So I repeat. Saying you believe in all that nonsense in order to get a decent education takes a poor second to lying to your kids about them being sinners.

No. They aren't. Period. Mind you, plenty have been sinned against by those put on a moral pedestal by gullible shallow people.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:24 PM

Everybody does things that are forbidden in the commandments of Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition.

You literal mined eejet!

That is not judgement. That is a fact. The difference is that you don't care that you do things that are forbidden in the commandments of Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition.

and people who care about their religion TRY not to do things that are forbidden in the commandments of Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition.

That is all I am saying. Don't think for a millisecond that I care enough about what your chosen beliefs to call you a sinner.

And parents don't have to tell kids that they are sinners. Any kid that knows what the rules are knows what the rules are. Are you saying, Musket in your infinite nonsense that atheist children never lie or steal and that they always honor their parents? My experience tells me otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:29 PM

You lot sin against me with your half baked, semi intellectual, psuedo crap;you are good at giving me a pain were I should get pleasure!!

Promise me you all will lighten up.It is a nice world out here populated by nice people......with the usual exception of smug Maritime frauds,

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:37 PM

What do you think about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:42 PM

http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0oG7p4HrnVRIHgADepXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGNzcmNwdmlkA2Q2aTY5a29HN3Z3M0Jvb2dTa3VRREE3YVJ4YmVSbEYxcmZ3QUNVMkcEZnIDYWx0YXZpc3RhBGZyMgNzZy1nYWMEaXQDZ3AEbl9ncHMDMTAEb3JpZ2luA3NycARwb3MDMgRwcXN0cgNwYXQgY29uZGVsbARxdWVyeQNwYXQgY29uZGVsbARzYWMDMQRzYW8DMQRzZWMDcmVsLXNhBHNsawN0ZXh0BHZ0ZXN0aWQDVklQMTMx?p=pat%20condell%20youtube&fr2=sg-gac&fr=altavista&pqstr=pat%20condell

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dSiHqpULk

What do you think about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 08:09 PM

Christian bulllies

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 08:50 PM

The Southern Baptist convention are bullies and mysogyists

They've driven a almost all traces of moderation from their midst.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:09 AM

An interesting observation..(that some of you won't like)...
The thread is about, "Non-belief in a god.."
...and then some of you 'carry on'..and even post links for other people to speak on your behalf.....
one guy here, keeps going on about 'baby jaysus'...
i brought in the element of a 'spiritual experience'...
...and then the chorus starts 'bad mouthing Christians, all over again...

Judging from the posts from the 'so-called' atheists.....YOU ARE THE ONES equating Jesus with being God!!!!..check it out!
Maybe you believe more than you think you don't!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:05 AM

On balance I'd rather try and understand Goofus and debate his tangents than see where Sailor Jack is coming from.

Stealing, murdering, coveting your neighbour' arse or whatever are not the exclusive domain of man made constructs such as the God delusion. They are conscious examples of the seemingly built in altruism of sentient beings.

I don't see ants going to church yet their society functions on similar lines.

Sin is a term that can be used by everyone. You don't need hangups about fantasy to either know what is right nor indeed to transgress basic values.

Sailor boy's comment that atheist children aren't perfect is not only missing the point but possibly missing it on purpose. Maybe his way of conceding a point.

Of course, all children are atheist. ...

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:51 AM

Tangents??????

You know, 'atheism' as part of the NWO, has got to be such a 'liberating' thing, that they even get wet diapers, over what goes on within a person's own mind and soul!! Does that mean everyone HAS to be 'equally' numb and brainless????

'Consider the ants...'?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:52 AM

If they have to read your ramblings too often, numb and brainless would be putting it mildly...

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:59 AM

Ah! The cookie man has finally eschewed all attempts at reason and gone into full reflexive name calling mode. Keep it up. You make more sense this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 05:16 AM

I don't. My iMac does.

Spending a day in the study, hence the procrastination on Mudcat rather than interfering with the real world.

Gone into name calling mode? I never went out of it you dozy rigging splitting buccaneer.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 09:42 AM

"full reflexive name calling mode"

full reflexive

full

I see you have consistently remained in lazy word skimming mode.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:22 AM

I'll have a pint of what he's on....

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:38 AM

Musket: "If they have to read your ramblings too often, numb and brainless would."

Oh, you think???

I was pointing out how 'so-called atheist' NWO shills keep alluding to Christ, or Jesus, every time 'God' is mentioned, and then they say they don't believe in 'God'...and then you rebutted with ....wait I'll get it(this is just too 'rare')....OK, got it...
"I don't see ants going to church yet their society functions on similar lines."
Which, once again, an 'avowed atheist' references the Bible...

(notice the gender, BTW)
Now is there something subliminal you are trying to get out????
Maybe we all know...somewhere 'what's really going on, down under you' - CSN
Something to 'consider' being as it appears you ain't listening to your WHOLE brain!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 11:04 AM

My dear Goofus..

When I hit my finger with a hammer I shout "Jesus F*cking Christ!!"

When I am on the vinegar stroke, I have been known to mutter "Oh Jesus, I..I..I'm ccoo....mmm" you get the picture.

I call days of the week Wednesday, Thursday etc, but Norse Gods are about as relevant to me as Sailor Boy's imaginary friend.

What's your fascination with ants anyway? Taking one for the team and each having a set role for the good of the community is something they and rational humans can do without thanking a deity for afterwards. I would use cats as a reference but they are not a good example of community altruism. I would have liked to though on the basis someone told me there are no cats in the bible.

To which I might add kangaroos, dodos, polar bears, Gloucester Old Spot or labradoodles.

The only subliminal thing I am trying to get out is that I might have to agree with those who reckon I have gone all middle class in recent years. Can I get it out in the open Goofus? You see, years ago, I always served lamb with mint. Nowadays I tend to use rosemary and garlic. Do you think its true? Have I really been affected by buying an Aga? I don't think its gone as far as putting on Sunday best, muttering chants and patronising the poor though.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:36 PM

I don't know how you have done it GfS. But it appears as though you have given him a stroke. At least he has access to health care.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:47 PM

I don't have access to the little baby Jesus though.

No matter, some old bloke in Carolina is praying for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:52 PM

Keep your head elevated and take an aspirin.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:54 PM

There are some people Jack that the meaning for friendship and respect is foreign thinking. I tend to not make friends easy but when I do I tend to hold them as a treasure and do not drive them away with inflammatory statements on a daily basis to their core family values. However, that is not the case for some. When a relationship with God is a personal choice and precious to some, there are others that won't stop the insult unless you prescribe to their Gospel of Dawkins. I tend to argue with those I love and respect only ... hence I quit arguing with others that just for some reason want a fight for those I walk away as Jerry and others have done

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:57 PM

Yer a product of 2000 years of Western cultural conditioning, Musket, just like the rest of us. That is why you yell "Jesus F-ing Christ!" when you hit yer thumb with a hammer and "Oh, God!" at other stressful moments, even though yer not a Christian. The Christian tradition has worked its way deep into yer psyche whether you like it or not, by way of language, literature, common symbols, and basic thought constructs, and there ain't a lot you can do about it except show up on all these threads and make fun of Christians for believin' in something you don't. Sort of like wanking, right? It's easy, you can do it every day when things are getting a bit slow, and you derive pleasure from it. They say that the keenest pleasure of all is to imagine yer smarter than most of the other people in yer vicinity.... (an almost universal assumption amongst humans...and Chimps too)

- Chongo

p.s. We all got similar habits. I pick on Bobertz all the time just because it's fun to do so. I like how he responds when he is poked. He does it right back to me. It's sorta what you could call a symbiotic relationship.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 12:59 PM

Musket: "What's your fascination with ants anyway?"

YOU'RE the one who brought them up....in a parallel, and consistent way found in Proverbs, in the 'Old Testament'....don't blame me, just because I merely pointed that out to you!..YOU'RE the one preaching...and using the Bible to help you out.....then turn around and knock your sources!!
I found it both ironic and hilarious!.....Ya' think that stuff just lurks around inside us, just waiting to manifest itself??...Cuz, buddy, ol' pal, you're on your way!!

I've always maintained that 'creativity'(funny that should come up), and music, and spiritual experiences are located in the same region of the brain....(actually, whether or not 'I've always maintained it' has no bearing on it...it just happens to be true).....and that when these work in unison with each other, that God given talent just exudes out of every pore of one's being......that being said, here is a performance, of one such Lady, and friend(but not quite as close as the other one accompanying her), who is singing about(note the lyrics), with a totality(note the tears near the end), while emoting, FLAWLESSLY a great song...that is in keeping with her spiritual beliefs...watch what happens when these are united!
(also note her singing at one part accompanied only by the drummers)
..a consummately great performance!!!
Enjoy......and get a clue!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:08 PM

Yo! monkey man. (I think that is how to address people when you are apprehensive about them flinging shit through the bars?)

I have made constant references to hard wired cultural and traditional use of religious terms. I am happy to be called a cultural Christian for that matter.

But you know, when you give it back with knobs on to those who push their faith at others and insist that lack of faith is an assertion therefore your God is an old bloke in Oxfordshire...

Bloody hell. Got me reasoning with monkeys now. Darwin has a lot to answer for....

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:14 PM

Careful GfS, don't kill him. Just bust enough blood vessels to calm him down. I think that Celtic women might be a bit too much. I might have gone with Alison Kraus. But at least you didn't hit him with the big guns, Dionne or Streisand.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:47 PM

Yer feelin' oppressed by people pushin' their faith at you, Musket? Which people? Anyone been tryin' to convert you lately?

- Chongo

p.s. I don't fling poop. But if I was gonna do so, I'd first fling it directly at those who cast the aspersion in the first place, see? It would serve 'em right.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:01 PM

Aw..that piece from Lisa Kelly, formerly from Celtic Woman, is just one great piece that shows linkage of exactly what I've been talking about! ....and not only that, it is FAR from painful!

Musket: "I am happy to be called a cultural Christian for that matter."

Being as you are " happy to be called a cultural Christian"...I guess that's NOT the painful part....
....the painful part is what the churches have done to it!...and like I've said before, I definitely draw a distinction between something spiritual and something 'religious'. One is real...and the other has been bastardized by politics..in your case, most likely that old Italian government that had to co-opt 'something' to stay in business!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:09 PM

Tell you what. Hitchens got one thing right.

Question organised superstition and their adherents will end up almost convincing you that you started the argument and have a hang up.

He also reckoned it is more prevalent in Dumbfuckistan than here.

No shit.......

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:37 PM

Well, that seems pretty fair.
The thing I'm trying to point out to you, is that a spiritual 'experience/awakening' is not about superstitions and bogus rituals of nothingness....which is what a lot of churches cling too, to try to make their point...so not only do I understand your position...matter of fact, in those regards, I agree with you!..because what you are railing against, is exactly what anyone spiritually minded would be pissed at, too!!
For what it's worth, there is two ways that the Bible refers to 'believers' and 'religions'...one, is referred to as a 'Virgin Bride'..the other is referred to as 'The Great Whore'!.....see, your instincts are correct....and what does a 'whore do'??..whatever it takes, for money and position/power.
Methinks, that way in there, your instincts just may be intact...but your resentments misplaced!

Now just make connection, and you might turn out to be a major ass kicker!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:47 PM

That takes some thinking through. Be careful about my instinct.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:54 PM

"Question organised superstition and their adherents will end up almost convincing you that you started the argument and have a hang up. "

Hitchens did have a hang-up, several in fact. Some of which he admitted to. He started lots of arguments. It is small wonder that others pointed that out. It is a big puzzle that no one convinced him of these obvious facts. I don't know what, if anything that says about you.

I'll say it again I really have no problem with the New Atheists evangelizing. It is pretending that they are not that is disturbing.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:55 PM

did ya ever wonder what the music credentials are from some people around here on mudcat. Either is is non existent or was in the past and now the only joy is to take every thread and turn it into a pissing match, or maybe they hate music. Seems to occur on other music sites also but they won't tolerate it- dunno puzzles me. go figure. We get all kinds of people stirring up the shit pot on every single thread. I guess they only like rap music maybe but most rap musicians accept other forms of art. Makes me wonder. We seem to be a shit magnet for trolls but hey I don't own this site so it ain't up to me to police it

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans sin
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:58 PM

I'll say it again too. Evangelising atheists is an oxymoron.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:01 PM

Well people can insult me anytime, I don't get upset anymore cause I don't care but insulting Chongo will get ya in deep around here. We love the little invisible chimp

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

Technically you are correct about evangelize.

From now on I'll use this word. Definition 2

proselytize

pros·e·ly·tize
verb \ˈprä-s(ə-)lə-ˌtīz\
intransitive verb
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:14 PM

As a person of faith, every night I sit down and do an inventory and ask myself what have I done right today, who needed help and I didn't respond, who did I hurt.

that is me, however regardless of what you do or don't believe why are you not doing the same thing if you truly believe in your non belief, if only to be a better person. Does that include pissing on everyone else? If so you may want to think about it and see were you are in life, that is if you truly want to be a better human being

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:42 PM

every person I know of faith knows this passage. If Dawkins is not saying the same thing then he too has missed the whole idea of this life. It ain't about preacher, popes, religion or leaders. It is about Christ and that is my path, you must find your own and not try to change others who follow this path

1 Corinthians 13

New International Version (NIV)

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:44 PM

and Jerry never talked it, he walked it

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:46 PM

Well, old dude, I'm a very good harmonica player who writes for a harmonica magazine, who's made a CD of traditional music that got great reviews and who plays in all the Irish sessions around here. I have no desire to rattle on about this, but on this occasion I think it's best you shut your big gob about other people's musical abilities until you are in possession of the facts. What do you do, by the way? Whatever it is, I wouldn't dream of knocking it until I knew. Find some other bloody way of knocking atheists, will you, preferably using your brain this time, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:47 PM

Is Jerry on Face book?

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:52 PM

dunno Jack
by the way there are atheists on mudcat that follow it even though they don't believe. They have that foundation. Hate to name names
but Will Fly is a brother to me and the kindest person one will meet. along with many others. Free will is a very important thing. None of my friend wish to change me or I them

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:57 PM

Musket sans cookie: "That takes some thinking through. Be careful about my instinct."

That's true.....and I wouldn't mess with your instincts....that is a job for where you got them from!
Actually, when parts of the brain light up, as per aforementioned, your instincts get so mega-enhanced, that all sorts of stuff lights up! It's like you hear and see with different eyes and ears...music, and musical abilities take a quantum leap, as well....and my dear pubic brother, I wouldn't shit you about that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:00 PM

why would you think I was talking about you Steve, and yes I do write music, quite a lot of it with a strong following but that is besides the point. There are a lot of posters on mudcat that come to insult and move on as guests. One only has to look at any thread. If you play good for you .. that is great .. atheist have nothing to do with my comment. visiting trolls does unless you count yourself among them. I didn't

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:10 PM

and I am sorry Steve if you thought I was talking about you or any of the regular posters. The mud elves took off some visiting trolls that want to come in toss their poo and then leave. Like I said I don't own the site or police it.

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:19 PM

and me, no one can and should use me as an example. I am flawed, I know that and that is why I take nightly inventory

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:17 PM

olddude, I have usually found your posts uplifting, and certainly not as sarcastic, nor satirical as mine(which some people just don't get). You've been refreshing and supportive of good stuff!
Be easy on yourself..you come across really cool!

Warmest Regards!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 10:49 AM

So, what is it???....All one has to do on one of these 'atheist' threads, is say something 'nice', and it sinks like a stone??

If we piss, bitch, and moan with fear and loathing, that keeps the thread going???

How about constructive things to get from point 'A' to point 'B'????

But, then on the atheist's threads, what is constructive??...and what is a point 'A' or point 'B'?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 11:03 AM

GfS

You said.

"So, what is it???....All one has to do on one of these 'atheist' threads, is say something 'nice', and it sinks like a stone??

I started a thread meant to me nice Sunday and I thought it must have been totally invisible until I saw that someone commented about how it sank so fast. And that person was complaining about me not being nice on another thread. I don't think that "nice" is a cherished commodity on the Mudcat.