BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:44 AM

Your post about bullying is spot on, troubadour. I have seen it happen over and over on here. Someone posts something controversial, ignorant or just plain stupid. A number of like minded people say what they think of it and the original poster then cries bully! They then try to become the hard done by victim and, for some reason, others seem to fall for it. I think it is the passive/aggressive thing that has been mentioned but I would rather not indulge in armchair psychiatry.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:59 AM

I'll happily oppress solicitors ....   Remember that Simpsons where a solicitor says, horrified, can you imagine a world without solicitors? Homer then has a thought bubble of people laughing, skipping, picking flowers and being nice to each other.

Capitalist twat I am then eh? ;-)

I'll let you into a secret Troubador, I don't like my method of posting either. I feel dirty just thinking about bigots. But they aren't going to keep their odious views to themselves whilst fools defend their right to inflict their odious hate on an unsuspecting decent public.

No surrender. My credibility and wanting to be liked takes second place I'm afraid.

By the way Bridge. Can you have a go at that nasty multinational conglomerate Apple on my behalf? When you type censure, the fucking iPad turns it into censor. If I read what I type, I'd be as daft as you...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:02 AM

Oh shit. A borgeouis capitalist twat and an i-sheep as well!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:19 AM

Why give it to Microsoft? They only blow it on curing hunger and disease.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:36 AM

"controversial, ignorant or just plain stupid"

Do you really equate "controversial", with either "ignorant or just plain stupid."

I agree my views may be controversial on this forum, but I can assure you, that neither I nor my views are ignorant or just plain stupid.

I research and construct reasoned arguments from published facts to support my views, you on the other hand, seem to have absorbed very little information on the subject.

Sloganising on "equality" or "liberalism", do not cut the mustard as far as reasoned debate is concerned, as both are subject to personal definition.
You yourself, have said on this forum, that anyone who thinks there is equality in this society must be deranged.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:47 AM

Apple just turned my 'twatted' into 'twitted' which was rather charming I thought.

I'm not convinced the OP has read all the posts in the threads he takes such exception to, so you have to wonder if this whole thread is not an exercise in trolling itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:55 AM

Do you really equate "controversial", with either "ignorant or just plain stupid."

Of course I don't. Why would I? The three things are completely separate but each one of them can produce the same reaction.

you on the other hand, seem to have absorbed very little information on the subject.

Personal attack rather than a 'reasoned argument from published fact'? Tsk, tsk, ake. I suspect you could be on Micks list already.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 07:12 AM

I can assure you, that neither I nor my views are ignorant or just plain stupid.

Heheheh. In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 07:55 AM

How would one classify cherry picking, distorting (or extending) statistics, beyond their logical reach to make a point.

That would not be ignorant, a bit stupid (but, not closely meeting the definition). However, it could be somewhat controversial, but not to a high degree. "Intentionally deceptive" may take if too far. Possibly just being deceptive may be closest.

What would be the purpose of such a dogged plight is puzzling? Converting the unconvertable seems problematic. Converting the innocent observer may be a possibility. Practice for a greater goal or field oc encounter, could also rate.

Obviously there is some personal satisfaction/reinforcement gained from doing so, in a somewhat small music-focused website, versus participating in a broader, more enlightened, and possibly more hostile, web or other environment.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:16 AM

thankyou to those of you who bought the upload.

many thanks. pm me with your address if you would like a free copy of my album st peter and john Dillinger. an offer exclusive to mudcatters who I've heard of.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:20 AM

Why should having controversial views make one deserving of abusive responses?

You seem to think the responses and cursing we see here is deserved?
You do not make any effort to censure them, in fact you have in the past joined in.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:20 AM

are we to take it that no one in the entire continent of America has bothered to visualise one of these asshats?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:25 AM

some best qualities 

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 09:58 AM

Hitler had controversial views too. He demonised sections of society to blame for what he saw as wrong. Funnily enough, gays and liberals were on his shit list. I recall your views on gypsies for that matter...

Your views are not controversial. They are demeaning and abhorrent. They see decent normal people as second class citizens. You point to a large section of society and say they don't believe in love and that they all have multiple partners, even the ones who are married to each other. You refuse to accept they can marry, and use "marriage" rather than marriage to describe an act that is as normal as your own marriage. You suggest they report for invasive medical testing three times a year whilst having nothing to say about people at risk of HIV. You say there aren't many where you live, so why the fuss? You call equality a liberal plot.

That isn't controversy. That is personality disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 10:07 AM

N.B. "I might not like Musket's method of posting,"

To tell the truth, I was simply making a point.

I quite enjoy the no nonsense integrity of your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 10:10 AM

Thanks. Fair comment, but my point still stands. It is sad to have to deal with nasty elements at all. I much prefer trying to have a laugh. Not so many threads where you can do that now. If you do, the children hunt you down and stalk you.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 10:16 AM

Why should having controversial views make one deserving of abusive responses?

Saying that Kate Bush is a better singer than Kate Rusby is controversial.

Saying that homosexuals are perverts is abhorrent.

Can you not see the difference? And, yes, anyone saying the latter gets all they deserve.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:32 AM

I think I might point out that the term "marriage" (as distinct from ""narriage"") is a word that refers to a legal status. Laws are either part of the common law, or of statute. In either case they are man-made. They are made in the first case by commonality of usage and judicial determination and in the second by the statutory method of the jurisdiction in question. Few jurisdictions recognise theistic decision as to what is and what is not a statute, and none that recognise the concept of "the rule of law".

The doctrine of parliamentary supremacy requires that statute controls the common law. In principle the courts determine, not make, law. In the US the Supreme Court may strike down statute, but that is because of the existence of a formalised constitution which is a sort of superstatute (although, alas, the SCOTUS has become a curious body that in part is a legal body truly determining the meaning of that formal constitution and in part a party political campaigning body, not a court at all except in the sense of a kangaroo court and certainly not a court of justice).

It follows that the word marriage means, as a matter of law, what the courts say it does and that is what Parliament says. To suggest that it my mean something else is quite simply ignorant. But we knew that about Akenhateon anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:46 AM

I hate to interrupt an otherwise convivial thread, but needs must.

Are you people aware that pickled bums were a big seller and so too pet rocks? Marketing will be tough on this one, though. Hell, cans of Newfoundland Fog sold themselves. I think the hangup is going to be with the word obstreperous. Gentlemen, allow me to suggest the following name change:

First Dan Assholes' Club, Ladies Welcome

Just a few thoughs, thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:15 PM

Interesting Bridge. I had read about it being a legal contract and therefore nothing whatsoever to do with religion. That churches can be licensed to witness the contract is no different to any other place now that you can be married on the Big Dipper at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. I don't see Blackpool Corporation dictating what marriage is or isn't.

Thanks for the opinion. Hopefully it was posted pro bono? I spent my beer money for this week.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:17 PM

That's all right, Mither, I am not allowed alcomahol this week.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:24 PM

beer money gone - didn't you realise we only talk to because you told us you were a millionaire.....

Richard and I have been planning to touch you for a few quid. nothing much...a lowden guitar each would do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:24 PM

I know two people who have recently got F35 Lowdens. Very nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:53 PM

Is that a Lowden?

Well, it's not very quiet!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 02:16 PM

I believe it was Arthur Koestler who coined the neologism 'mimophant'. He used it to describe those people who are excessively sensitive to criticism of themselves, reacting like the tender mimosa, but are utterly insensitive and indifferent to the feelings of others, like a raging elephant.

In his last post addressed to me Steve Shaw referred to me as 'Christian Brendan'. Why? My belief or non-belief was not and is not an issue. As I have said before my faith is my business and I am not interested in pushing it on anybody. I do not refer to or categorise other people by their beliefs. They are a non-issue for me. Homophobia, racism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, anti-semitism (not a comprehensive list) they are issues to be challenged. People's faith, or lack of it, is of no interest to me at all.
I am not interested in bullying anyone but nor am I prepared to be bullied - and if anyone thinks that calling me Christian is somehow demeaning they are deluding themselves, and it wouldn't be the first time.s

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 02:34 PM

Where the hell did that 's' come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:26 PM

"Where the hell did that 's' come from?"

Beats me, but just yesterday I saw people are looking for one on a physics site.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:19 PM

As I have said before my faith is my business

Really? So how come I know you're a Christian, Brendan? Only asking...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:24 PM

Your views are not controversial. They are demeaning and abhorrent.

Absolutely brilliant. There's nothing more laughable (except that it usually isn't funny) about some prejudiced bastard claiming validity for his views because they're "controversial". I'll be nicking that one, Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:32 PM

'Really, so how come I know your a Christian?'

Because I have no desire to hide anything. But the fact that I explain my belief to illustrate a point does not make it the thing that defines me. You still have not explained why you sought to make it an issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:34 PM

I haven't. You have.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:47 PM

I haven't. You have'.

Pillock.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:48 PM

Bugger Lowden. Blew my piggy bank on a Gretsch a few weeks ago.

Still automatically pick up the Rainsong when leaving the house though.

Anyway, you both live down south. I'm just a poor Northerner.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:48 PM

Rather unchristian of you, Brendan!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 04:52 PM

"Spiritual fulfillment doesn't have to mean belief in a religion or disbelief in science. ... Whether one believes in an unseen, all-knowing force, or the wonder of science and the universe, or simply the beauty of the human spirit, nearly every one of feels an inner longing to feel part of something bigger than ourselves." 
― Cesar Millan

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:02 PM

Spiritual fulfillment doesn't have to mean belief in a religion or disbelief in science.

Doesn't HAVE to, but for a significant percentage of the population it obviously DOES.

All hail wilfull ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:05 PM

Most of my spirits come from Speyside.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:14 PM

Ya got somethin' against Islay, then?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:39 PM

Ya got somethin' against Islay, then?

Yea. I'd rather my whisky did not taste like a cough cure.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:46 PM

Most of my whisky comes from Skye. Or Islay.

If Isla St Clair married Barry White, divorced him, then married Bryan Ferry, would she be Isla White-Ferry?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 09:44 PM

"Anyone who thinks sitting in church can make you a Christian must also think that sitting in a garage can make you a car."
― Garrison Keillor

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:13 AM

Or typing bollocks makes you a philosopher.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 08:23 AM

Bugger Lowden. Blew my piggy bank on a Gretsch a few weeks ago.

I'll keep my Lowden, but I noticed Strings Direct have an orange Gretsch Eddie Cochran Signature on their website - if I was still in the R&R band, I'd have that little beauty!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 10:02 AM

good to have you back on the staff johnny. we were just deciding which guitar millionaire musket ought to buy us before we let him play with us....

as you've already got a lowden or two, I think maybe you ought to go for a classic Gibson.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 10:22 AM

Never been away Al. I lurk. I laugh. I move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 10:57 AM

From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:13 AM

Or typing bollocks makes you a philosopher.

You must be the whole fracking philosophy department.

Musket and his mates.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:19 PM

When Musket becomes a millionaire he promises to buy a cheap guitar from Argos and hand it over to whassisname at Dave Mann music in Nottingham and say money no object , I want it to sound like a Fylde.

In the meantime, the black beauty gets taken out all the time.

I'll buy Al a new guitar and Bridge a new armchair. Backwoodsman gets bugger allypoos for keeping quiet. I'll buy a pulping mill for Jack to go with his book.

The snag being I have to become a millionaire first. What with gravy bones for the dog and French horn polish for Mrs Musket, not to mention my beer fund, I'll never become a millionaire at this rate. If they're not careful, I'll stop being a dirty rotten stinking capitalist. I reckon the only ex miner to become a millionaire was Scargill.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 03:26 PM

I'll buy a pulping mill for Jack to go with his book.

I'm afraid all the unsold unwritten copies will end up a kindling for Internet flames.

It about all I am capable of today with this durned carpal thingie.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 04:22 PM

There's usually light at the end of that particular tunnel. Everyone I know who has had it seen to reckons it was sorted.

I thought I had it myself but turned out to be vibration white finger. As an ex miner who then went on to design and sell vibration equipment, not surprised.

Dunno about kindling. The pulper may not be needed. Kindle and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 06:49 PM

300!