BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 04:34 PM

Richard, the question IS important. However, we really don't need to search so far to see the answer. People who are having a rough time will look for soemone to blame. Hitler chose the Jews. They were easy targets. Today, the BNP chooses immigrants. They too are easy targets. Recall if you would the words to one of Dylan's songs:

"A South politician preaches to the poor white man
"You got more than blacks, don't complain
You're better than them, you been born with white skin" they explain
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game."

There have always been political parties that appeal to the basest of people. The greatness of democracy is that all votes are equal. It's also its great failing.

Snail's suggestion that this is being treated lightly by Canucks or Yanks is bull. Here we have the Aryan Nations and the US has the KKK. We even have people elected to government who are just a bit to the right of Hitler. However, they don't get to set policy, and that's good.

If Snail didn't want shit thrown at him he could have used the message function. He wants it public, well, it's public.

If Lizzie tells me to back off I will. She started this thread. Snail? He's just another poster with an opinion, just like the rest of us. He should read Thurber, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 04:39 PM

Here's the next stanza in Dylan's song "Only a Pawn in Their Game"

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 04:40 PM

Here's the whole song.



"Only A Pawn In Their Game"

A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers' blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game.

A South politician preaches to the poor white man
"You got more than blacks, don't complain
You're better than them, you been born with white skin" they explain
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

From the powerty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks
And the hoof beats pound in his brain
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

Today, Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught
They lowered him down as a king
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
That fired the gun
He'll see by his grave
On the stone that remains
Carved next to his name
His epitaph plain:
Only a pawn in their game.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 05:55 PM

Peace, I agree with part of what you say: indeed quite a lot of it. But I don't feel that getting ratty with the Snail is appropriate.

There were a a number of North Americans diminishing this topic (no matter what small-minded poilticiand and followers they have at home) by wabbitting along about wabbits.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 06:32 PM

I think Peace was making a rather good satirical point by arbitrarily blaming "rabbits" for all the world's troubles. He was demonstrating just how silly it is when a political movement starts demonizing some particular minority group of people for its own political gains. It could be the Jews or the Gyspies or the Hispanics or the Hindus or the Muslims...or the rabbits.

That's the satirical point, isn't it? The point is the innate irrationality and unfairness of blaming some whole group of people for your problems, whatever you think those problems are.

But don't complain that your democracy allows a BNP member to get elected in some riding. If it didn't allow some particular category of political candidate to get elected...provided he or she got enough votes to get elected...then it simply wouldn't BE a democracy. It would be something else just pretending to be a democracy. It would be a controlled oligarchy of officially sanctioned viewpoints, not a democracy.

You cannot found a true democracy upon the exclusion of those viewpoints you don't happen to like or agree with. If you have a message which you think is better than theirs, then my suggestion is: get your own message out there. Don't waste your energy attacking them. Promote what is positive in your own message. I get tired of hearing people attack other people when they could be presenting positive ideas of their own instead.

That's why Mother Teresa once refused an invitation to attend an "anti-war" demonstration, but she said she would be happy to attend any "peace" demonstration.

The first is based upon angrily attacking someone else's agenda. The second is based on resolutely presenting a positive agenda of your own. There's a vital difference in psychology there. It's the difference Obama kept trying to articulate in the past USA election (not that I think Obama is perfect in that respect...he's not...but he did at least try to stick to positives instead of constantly attacking other people).

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: TheSnail
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 07:22 PM

The BNP and other right wing groups have it as their stated aim to use British traditional music and customs to promote their cause. I know from my own experience that they would also like to use it to insinuate themselves into schools. There is no possibility that they will take over British folk music but they could do it serious harm by soiling its name with their odious views. This could have major repercussions in terms of funding, availability of venues and the general image in the mind of the public.

Thanks to Joe, this is now the only thread we have so I don't think it is too much to ask that it be kept on subject. To some of us here in the UK it matters very much.

Little Hawk, I very much agree with your last post but it was one of your compatriots who was most keen on saying "Fuck the BNP".

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 08:45 PM

And I'll say it again--but then I see you've said it on my behalf. Many thanks.

And fyi, to many people in North America the 'rise' and present 'slump' of the BNP means a great deal to us also. You're smug sob to think that you, and you alone, have a francise on a hatred of fascism. Jaysus. Bryan, we have been at odds before. And here we are at it again. I opened this thread to apologize for my remarks. I hereby do so. BUT, stop already with your horseshit, OK? And thank you for saying what I do think and feel about the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 08:47 PM

"Thanks to Joe, this is now the only thread we have so I don't think it is too much to ask that it be kept on subject."

Look beyond your nose. There IS another thread. This is not the only one.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 09:13 PM

And thank you, LH. You aced what I meant. But then, you would.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 10:02 PM

I understand what is concerning you about the BNP using folk music in schools, and so on, "Snail". You just have to combat that by getting your own message out in the clearest and most positive way you can, I would think, but there's no way to stop a fascist social movement from making use of a country's traditional music.

You just have to make better use of it than they do, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 10:54 PM

Amen to that. And here I thought you were just another pretty face.

The BNP., as will all Fascist organizations, use a culture against itself. Allow me to ask fascists: if your neighbour is of a different accent, will you despise him? Will you hate him? If so,, what shall we think of YOUR accent? The BNP are weak in thought. They cannot be strong in thought because their premise is wrong. The problem is NOT immigrants: the problem is a difficulty iof etting to know another culture, Since the BNP doesn't really know its own, they're 'f*****.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 10:58 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:00 PM

It's the Tim Hortons coffee. It kills yer brain cells. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:03 PM

The guy lives in Ontario and I love him anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:21 PM

"So why has the BNP gained votes?"

            More people are worried about human population growth than are worried about the human condition!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:27 PM

People are more concerned about living than they are about anything else. Never forget that.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:42 PM

people are concerned with living first. then second protecting what they have from 'threats'. in this case a manipulated threat from immigrant workers.

poeple from the UK need to remember how many ex pats there are working and living all over the world. howver moat of the countries they have gone to have welcomed them with open arms and as a nation we would lie to do the same to others. if the BNP and others would stop scaremongering we would be doing so already.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:45 PM

"People are more concerned about living than they are about anything else."


                   There are a number of ways to read that statement. Immigrants are concerned about living, and the populations into which immigrants are trying to assimilate are concerned about living as well.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:50 PM

Canada is a country of immigrants. We have one the best countries in the world according to most other countries. Let us know when you want it done. We'll be proud 'ta gie ya a han, Jimmy.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:53 PM

Just before I go to sleep, I wish to mention

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 11:56 PM

Okay, let 'er rip!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Penny S.
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 06:56 AM

I think the rabbit bit was a variant of Rabbi Blue's story about the Reich going for the Jews and the bicyclists.
"Why the bicyclists?"
"You see, no-one worries about the Jews."

My feeling, as a fairheaded Saxon, is that the BNP can only honourably argue that all people who cannot show DNA evidence of descent from the aboriginal Mesolithic peoples - ie Cheddar man, Swanscombe woman et al, should return to their origins. If Denmark et al would have them/us.

There was a piece in Guardian last week about ex pats in Spain suffering from the credit crunch, and how many had gone there because they didn't like immigrants. ?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 08:21 AM

There was a piece in Guardian last week about ex pats in Spain suffering from the credit crunch, and how many had gone there because they didn't like immigrants.
That really does sum it up. They don't even realise that to any Spaniard, they are the immigrants.
Anyhow, on thread, as has already been said, the BNP are not gaining votes - thank goodness.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 08:24 AM

A party of convictions

Is the double meaning intended?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 08:56 AM

Wolfgang,

Yes I think it is.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:02 AM

Peace, I don't think "smug sob" was called for. The BNP calls itself the BRITISH National Party - so it is a more direct threat to those of us here in Britain than it is to others. We do however appreciate international support for our antifascist views.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST, Fisheye
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 11:47 AM

I would dearly love to know where you come up with this word "fascist" when referring to the British National Party.

The British people voted and elected two BNP Euro ministers recently, are you saying those who elected them are not allowed to think for themselves ?

The BNP already hold a number of local council seats, anyone calling ordinary working class British people fascists, or saying they are supporting fascists should hang their head in shame.

Britain is changing, if some people want to vote for a party that protects British interests then allow them that freedom. If you don't then who is the fascist ?

Did I vote BNP ? Yes I did, why ? because I worked all my life and paid my taxes to build this great country. Like many the sight of waiting lists for jobs,hospitals and schools is the result of a failed government swinging the gates open.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 11:51 AM

troll, come back under your real name and we might be willing to listen.

jade

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 11:58 AM

No one told you or is telling you who to vote for. People are saying you are aa taco short of a combination plate for voting BNP. They are Nazis. They intend to be fascists. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 11:59 AM

I have nothing against Immigration.
but the political parties use it to keep basic pay down to a minimum for lower grade workers
and professionals alike?

The problem is that If the government uses immigration to save money and refuses to pay a decent wage to it own people and fall back on immigration to save money nationally all our doctors and nurses will go to other countries where the pay is better .


That breeds Racism. I heard one chap say at work
"I do not mind immigration but not at the expense of nationals?

Regards to all Pierre.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 01:50 PM

No, fake Fisheye (at least I really hope you are a fake) we are saying that you have proven that you cannot think for yourself if you voted BNP.

Did you not read my posts long ago? Without immigrants we would be short of doctors, dentists, nurses, a range of lawyers, builders, bricklayers, carpenters, underground train staff, and agricultural workers just for starters. Chelsea Football club would have gone bust (well, OK, there's always a snag) and TVR (cars) and Range Rover would be no more. Where would you go to eat out (unless you could afford the Savoy Grill or 90 Park Lane)?

The BNP leader thinks he can murder people navigating international waters, and parachute immigrants back "somewhere in the middle of Africa". Can you follow a leader that stupid?

The BNP wants all those who complete national service to keep automatic weapons at home. Well, it probably would reduce overpopulation - but in a sort of Malthusian or Swiftian way.

Ask yourself why there are so many convicted criminals supporting the BNP.



Apologies, but lengthy cut and paste follows: -

"Just in case you think we are being unfair in calling the BNP neo-Nazis and fascists, please read the below comparison. I've included some quotes so you can see what they stand for in their own words.
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Nazi Party
We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

BNP
It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples.


Nazi Party
Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

BNP
The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist.

Nazi Party
Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

BNP
It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

Nazi Party
We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press.

BNP
The BNP stands for the revolutionary principle that the printing presses and broadcast channels of the media must tell the truth in their reports.... we will create a new criminal offence of "The deliberate dissemination of falsehoods about an individual or organisation for financial or political gain" by any media outlet.

Nazi Party
All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

BNP
A separate danger to genuine democracy comes from the concentration of ownership and control of the mass media in too few hands, particularly when the hands concerned are those of foreigners whose primary loyalty is not to Britain.

Fascism
An inherent aspect of fascist economies was an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence. Fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. Fascism opposes many capitalist tenets, such as support of free trade and free international movement of capital.

BNP
The British National Party is pledged to the maintenance of a private-enterprise economy operating within a broad framework of national economic policy. It is opposed to international monopoly capitalism and to laissez-faire free trade and free movement of plant and capital.

Fascism
Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity, such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism.

BNP
The British National Party is implacably opposed to Marxism and liberal-capitalist globalism, which undermine our standard of living, human and ecological welfare, freedom and national identity.

Fascism
Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism.

BNP
The compulsory National Service system....would begin at the age of 18 with a period of basic training in the army. This would include full training with the citizens' assault rifle. Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would NOT receive THE CITIZEN'S RIGHT TO BE ARMED, or THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
Even if.... it proved to be possible to assimilate and integrate huge numbers of immigrants from other ethnic and cultural groups into Western societies without mayhem and bloodshed, we would still oppose it.

MEMBERSHIP (Lifted from their earlier website, they have never retracted this however)
Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2 (ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.)<-----That's white to you and me.


"[t]he British National Party's determination not simply to stop any further mass immigration into the British Isles, but also to reverse the tide which has transformed vast areas of our country out of all recognition over the last fifty years. We, as the sole political representatives of the Silent Majority of the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh who formed and were formed by our island home, have one overriding demand: We want our country back!"

"We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restrictions on free speech in Britain.... We would abolish all departments, agencies, or other units of government whose sole and specific purpose is to deal with ethnic issues, grievances, or crimes.... We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them."

"A Clause 28-style proscription against the promotion of racial integration in schools and the media would be introduced."

"This wicked, vicious faith has expanded from a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago, to it's now sweeping country after country before it, all over the world. And if you read that book (the Koran), you'll find that that's what they want." - Nick Griffin

"It is more important to control the streets of a city than its council chamber." - Nick Griffin

"The electors of Millwall did not back a post-modernist Rightist Party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan "Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, POWER IS THE PRODUCT OF FORCE AND WILL, NOT OF RATIONAL DEBATE." - Nick Griffin

"I am only going to represent the white people. I WILL NOT REPRESENT ASIANS. I will not do anything for them. They have no right to be in my great country." - Derek Beackon

"When we get to power OUR OPPONENTS WILL BE SWEPT AWAY like flies." - John Tyndall

"Very few people in Britain are aware of the huge influence over the mass media exercised by a certain ethnic minority, namely the Jews." - Nick Griffin

"The controllers of Hollywood, almost entirely Jewish. Some 'ANTI-SEMITISM' MAY BE PROVOKED BY THE ACTIONS OF CERTAIN JEWS THEMSELVES and thereby have a RATIONAL BASIS". - Nick Griffin

"There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But THIS NONSENSE ABOUT GAS CHAMBERS is exposed as a total lie." - Nick Griffin

"[t]his BLOODY JEW [Alex Carlile MP] whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust." - Nick Griffin

"There's not a European country the Jews haven't been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it's not just persecution. THERE'S NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE." - Mark Collett

"Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that NON-WHITES HAVE NO PLACE HERE AT ALL AND WILL NOT REST UNTIL EVERY LAST ONE HAS LEFT OUR LAND." - Nick Griffin

"Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal with. It just creates a bad image." - Nick Griffin

"There is a STRONG, DIRECT LINK from Oswald Mosley to me." - Nick Griffin

"The TV footage of dozens of 'gay' demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these CREATURES so repulsive." - Nick Griffin

"Churchill was a fucking cunt who led us into a pointless war with other whites [the Nazis] standing up for their race." - Mark Collett

"He's a fucking traitor." - Mark Collett on the Prince of Wales

"The Royals have betrayed their people. When we're in power they'll be WIPED OUT and we'll get some Germans to rule properly." - Mark Collett

"A FRIENDLY DISEASE because blacks, drug users and gays have it." - Mark Collett on AIDS

"Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will." - Mark Collett

"The sick minds who would have us believe that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz are completely twisted." - Tony Lecomber

"Asians are rubbish, and that is what WE ARE GOING TO CLEAR FROM THE STREETS." - Derek Beackon

"Those responsible for creating this multi-racial hell hole must face trial and pay the ultimate penalty." - Nick Griffin

"AIDS Monkeys.... bum bandits.... faggots." - Mark Collett on homosexuals

"Racial laws will be enacted FORBIDDING MARRIAGE between Britons and non-Aryans: medical measures will be taken to prevent procreation on the part of all those who have hereditary defects either racial, mental or physical." - John Tyndall

"Mein Kampf is my Bible." - John Tyndall

"[t]here will be an unanswerable case when the day for the great clean up comes, to IMPLEMENT THE FINAL SOLUTION against these sub-human elements by means of the GAS CHAMBERS" - John Tyndall

"There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn't about selling out it's ideas, which are your ideas, but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use these salable words.
As I say, 'freedom', 'security', 'identity', 'democracy', nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas: they are salable. Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we got ourselves into a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their minds and say, 'Yes, every last one must go'. Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your soul mate to start with, you're going to get absolutely nowhere. So, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT RACIAL PURITY WE TALK ABOUT IDENTITY." - Nick Griffin addressing the Ku Klux Klan

"Voluntary repatriation. Isn't that EASIER TO SELL than compulsory repatriation for all?" - Nick Griffin

"I honestly don't hate asylum seekers - THESE PEOPLE ARE COCKROACHES *and they're doing what cockroaches do because cockroaches can't help what they do, they just do it, like cats miaow and dogs bark." - Mark Collett *This is what the Hutus in Rwanda called the Tutsis of which 800,000-1 million were killed

"Well apparently didn't they get a lot of dentistry and plastic surgery."
- Rotherham BNP's Marlene Guest, referring to horrific Nazi experiments on Jews and others during World War II.

"We don't subscribe to the politically correct fiction that just because they happen to be born in Britain, a Pakistani is a Briton. They're not. They remain of Pakistani stock. You can't say that especially large numbers of people can come from the rest of the world and assume an English identity without denying the English their own identity, and I would say that's wrong. In a very subtle way, it's a sort of bloodless genocide." - Nick Griffin, 23 April 2009

"The idea that the Black African Bishop Sentamu, the Asian Muslim MP Shahid Malik, the part-Turkish Boris Johnson and the Jewish Lord Goldsmith have anything to teach the indigenous English about St. Georges Day is absurd." - John Lee Barnes

"When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don't go looking for Asian victims. They don't go mugging Asian grandmas, they don't go stabbing each other, they don't go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists." - Mark Collett

"All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here. " - Nick Griffin

"Black culture is totally inimical to the mental and spiritual development of young white people, encouraging laziness, lack of ambition in worthy pursuits, preoccupation with the trivial and the banal, appalling manners and absence of respect for others". - John Tyndall

"WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM will be swept away by a future BNP government." - BNP councillor Simon Smith

"THE RICH ARE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE POOR." - Tony Lecomber

"I'm no apologist for WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM." - BNP councillor Simon Smith

"Rest assured, all those HOMEGROWN TRATORS who have taken part in the war against our indigenous rights will one day be held to account for their crimes." - Nick Griffin

"I want to see Britain become the 99 per cent genetically white country she was just eleven years before I was born, and I want to die knowing that I have helped to set her on a course whereby her future genetic makeup will one day not even resemble that of January 1948, but that of July 1914. Nothing will ever turn me from working towards that final vision." - Nick Griffin

"Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... [it] is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." - Nick Eriksen

"Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930's Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there." - Mark Collett

"Meanwhile, the indigenous side in the low-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training. . .Its all going to get very messy." - Nick Griffin's blog on the BNP website

"It's clearly worth talking in terms of SIX-FIGURE SUMS to persuade families to go"- Nick Griffin, the Times, April 19, 2007

"We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an EXCESS OF SENTIMENTALITY TOWARDS THE WEAK AND UNPRODUCTIVE. No good will come of it." -Jeffrey Marshall (senior organiser for the BNP's London European election campaign), 2009 after the death of Ivan Cameron.

"There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all." Jeffrey Marshall again referring to Ivan Cameron.

"The capitalist free traders, the Marxists and organised Jewry have declared war on the white man, not just in Britain but in every nation on the planet". - Nick Griffin

"We don't think the most overcrowded country in Europe, can realistically say, 'Look, you can all come and all your relatives'. When the Gurkhas signed up - frankly as mercenaries - they expected a pension which would allow them to live well in their own country." - Nick Griffin, 12 May 2009

Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSzAtxnAJU

Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk&feature=related


Nick Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-G2x9lotx8&feature=channel_page

The BNP canvassing for the EU and council elections 2009.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=82021815938&h=17rjV&u=vcxm0&ref=mf

The BNP's organiser admits that membership is limited to white Europeans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuyLVayDOHo&feature=player_embedded

Marlene Guest repeating the claims of 'Did Six Million Really Die?', a Holocaust denial book by Richard Verrall of the National Front. It's been thoroughly refuted by historians and claims things such as the Holocaust is used as a tool to exterminate the 'white race': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Six_Million_Really_Die%3F



Sky News expose on the BNP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKk2K3fMk0 "

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 01:53 PM

Excellent, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:17 PM

"Without immigrants we would be short of doctors, dentists, nurses, a range of lawyers, builders, bricklayers, carpenters, underground train staff, and agricultural workers just for starters."


               Actually, that only works if one buys into the Ronald Reagan/Margaret Thatcher concept of a "Free Market Economy" where you have ever expanding markets requiring ever expanding populations to support them.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:18 PM

Bloody hell Richard. I bet that tok some digging out. Congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:35 PM

here's another video link. BNP Wives

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:51 PM

Different breeds of people? Sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:55 PM

As for fishhead's request, it seems the fascist label was applied to the BNP by the BNP.

LOL

Thanks for a great laugh. Just what I needed.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:33 PM

Immigration depresses wages but not for the liberal elite.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:35 PM

Prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:50 PM

I work in London and I see the bad side of Immigration whereby we have tent cities in the grounds of the War Museum and other local parks. I mean cities.

Its a sorry sight seeing folk sleeping rough, but its terrible when you see children streaked with tears clinging to parents whose families have come here from foreign lands to a miserable starving existence with no home no work no money and no future and no hope.
Take a stroll round Waterloo and re write Streets Of London.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:53 PM

We have similar stuff here, too. It has everything to do with multi-nationals and nowt to do with immigration.


Hey, FEARPLOY--where's the proof. Put up or shut up, svp.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:53 PM

I seriously doubt that's the real Fisheye, because the real one worked abroad for a serious number of years, and was therefore an 'Immigrant' wherever he/she went.
So try and sign is as me then you SCUM
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:57 PM

Well said, TBoE. I no longer use words like that, but I give standing ovations to those who do.

BRAVO.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 04:08 PM

Well, looks like the BNP are a little short on proof today. No surprise there.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Penny S.
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

That stuff abut white working class trash could be publicised a bit more. If the putative voters realise they are for the gas chambers or the firing squad, that might change things a little.

So pacifists aren't going to get a free gun. Hmm.

I can't begin to quantify what is wrong with their ideas for a citizen army. If they can't see it, I'm not telling them.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 04:21 PM

ALL MUDCAT MEMBERS.
I suggest you sign on regarding Login on to stop the above happening. Some Dick head done the same to me on a Knockholt thread and Joe had to sort that out. I suggest Fisheye is told of the above because I doubt he would say that.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 04:23 PM

Supply and demand. Why should labour be exempt?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 04:29 PM

The BNP has the morals of a dog in heat. That is clear.

FEARPLOY--where's the proof?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fisheye
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 05:58 PM

Looks like somebody is abusing my name:    'Guest Fisheye' is not me folks..(the video man)

in my opinion folks should be registered with mudcat before they can start spouting their

minds. There are too many guests on here, and a political discussion is sure going to bring

them all out. For history i filmed a BMP march/meeting in Welling a number of years ago.

and if I had converted it to B/W it would have been perfect for Germany 1936.   

fisheye..the real one

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fisheye
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 06:23 PM

OK, I have read and scanned a lot of this discussion (LOL) and yes I have work in a lot of countries, usually they have been a lot bigger than little old United Kingdom. without making any racist statements, we are a small island and with an estimated 70 million in 2020 it sure is going to be crowded. However if you pack every unwanted bag and ship them out. I believe the few million left would have one hell of a time surviving. None of us can plow fields anymore and when I go fishing I usually catch old boots.
As a photographer I take pics, not make news.

Fisheye