BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:26 PM

Fairplay:

As for radicalism, the left abandoned the struggle against capitalism in favour of 'cultural marxism': i.e. patronising ethnic minorities, promoting 'diversity' and multiculturalism (even when those cultures are reactionary), sneering at the white working class they used to champion, and working to eliminate national boundaries. How very convenient for international capitalism and globalization.

The left never supported *the white* working class, against and over the interests of any other type of working class, it supported and continues to champion the working class of our species regardless of colour, race, creed and nation.

What is convenient for capitalism and the Bush/Blair neocon vision of a west-dominated globalisation is the existence of divisive forces such as fascism and nationlism, of which the BNP is a leading light.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:26 PM

""The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes""


Here's an example for you that is fact, not assertion, regarding your legal, constitutional, apology for a political party. Apparently identity theft is now legal, and constitutional, according to the filth that you and MBS George so misguidedly espouse.


Richard Bridge, John Barden (Barden of England), Fisheye, myself, and several other Catters are being cloned on Facebook, as Folkies Supporting the British Nazi Party.

A photo of me, stolen from a U-Tube Video has been superimposed on a BNP poster, so it purports to show me playing in front of Nick Griffin.

It has been put up on a false profile, with no background information, and I have been forced today, to sit down with my grandchildren, and explain that "No! Grandad isn't a Nazi racist, but the people who are pretending to be him ARE!"

How does that make YOU feel MBS George, assuming you still have feelings?

For any of you who see this, until I manage to persuade Facebook that it isn't me, let me assure you that the only way I would support that scum is with a good strong rope, applied correctly with a hangman's knot.

Ditto Facebook. If they can't, or won't, remove that filth, I will have nothing to do with them.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:32 PM

And a general question to all the BNP supporters.

Why can none of you answer the essential questions.

There is endless evidence that Nick Griffin and the BNP hardcore are racist, neo-nazi, holocaust denying, fascist politicians. It has been posted here so often it becomes tedious. This evidence is the people, speaking their own words, writing their own articles, books, manifestos.

In spite of all this you still say that you believe that a) BNP politics are not fascist or neo-nazi and b) that you yourselves are not fascist or neo-nazi.

So you have to understand that with all the evidence standing against you, why do you believe something different?

If you can't provide some explanation for why you do, and we should, think differently of the BNP then why should we believe that you are not simply as racist and fascist as the party you advocate?

C'mon, help us out here.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM

The BNP are shit. People who belong to it are shit. It's that simple.

That includes MBS George. That's the kind of stuff YOUR party is doing. You have cut yourself off from a community of people and I feel no sympathy for you at all. BTW, decide on your name for krissake.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:34 PM

'Racism' and 'Fascism' are highly-charged terms. They are also highly-loaded and hugely manipulated, and ought to be challenged. To apply these terms to those who want to preserve their own identity and culture is crass, accusatory and aimed at stifling and criminalising a perfectly legitimate aspiration.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:35 PM

Fearploy: the question. Answer the question. Or fuck off, asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:37 PM

"From: Lox - PM
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

Gosh - looks like the BNP supporters on this site have got together to support each other.

Fairplay, MBSGeorge and a couple of guests all posting at the same time."



Don't be ridiculous!! What do you think I did - rang all my little BNP mates and said hey I'm gonna post something now come and say some good stuff after me!! Grow up!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Andrew, answer the question idiot. (That's addressed to Fearploy, AKA Fairplay.)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Fairplay:

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes

The BNP is a legal party, but we are taking legal actions to try to change that, based on the evidence of its unlawful membership and constiutional articles.

That aside, the danger is that this currently legal party is controlled by a dangerous nazi racist. In his own words (proof already posted several times: the KKK Speech) has a scheme of lying about the true policies and the true end-game of Griffinism until he has gained power and until it is too late then to stop him.

That is why he must be stopped now. It's exactly like being in 1920's Germany and seeing the rise of National Socialism.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:40 PM

That doesn't work, "George". You hang with scum you become scum.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:42 PM

Fairplay, MBSGeorge,

As you are here, please get to the question.

There is all the evidence from Griffin's own mouth and pen that he is a neo-nazi and racist politician. He runs the BNP totally. So the BNP is a neo-nazi and fascist party.

If you and your friends are not neo-nazi or fascist then why do you support the BNP?

Find some other way to express your (apparently different) political viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:44 PM

Anyone else want to single me out and attack me personally? Go for your life. I have a thick skin and I've been through a lot worse than you lot can throw at me!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:47 PM

George, I am not attacking you personally, I am pleading with you to explain your position. Sorry if I sound exasparated but, damn, you stood for public office. I've never come across a politician with absolutely nothing to say about their politics and party.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:49 PM

Poor baby. You are fast becoming the garbage that posts on behalf of the BNP. They are scum. YOU picked your friends. They have gone out of their way to hurt musicians. Many of them. I hope the day comes when they can spit on the ground you walk, because after the likes of you have thereon trod it will be useful for little else.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:50 PM

She speaks for and belongs to a party that has targeted musicians. That makes her the same shit they are.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:55 PM

Keep it coming Peace. I haven't insulted anyone on this thread but your last 3 posts have included insults aimed at ............. me. You're such a polite person aren't you?




Joe

Appologies for the thread drift. I will no longer post unless it is in reference to the thread title.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:58 PM

Facebook can be used two ways. You do NOT have the only 'roaming servers' in the world, nor are you any different from the Nazis you so ardently defend.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:05 PM

george,
i have attacked you in the past and like i said i am sorry for that. however you do not make it easy to understand or to try to defend you, when you don't answer questions put to you.
i am more interested in getting you sorted so that you have a clear enough head to see through the lies you have been told.
if you keep refusing to address the questions or to rethink your' connection to the BNP, then i will have no option than to give you up as a racist the same as the party you not only joined but represented in an election.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:23 PM

Royston,
       You obviously still live on the outskirts of Woodstock in 1969! In England, this is how it goes- one group buys a house in your street, then that group and their friends/family club together and buy up every property in the street.
       That was my experience.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:45 PM

Sorry Paco, I live in Lewisham, you're not answering the question. I suspect you are a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:48 PM

Paco Rabanne: would you feel the same if the people buying several houses in "your" street were a white British family? Or is it about your own fear/intolerance of diversity? what have your neighbours actually done to you to warrant your attitude? I'm genuinely puzzled. I'm in England - in a large city with a diverse population and your experience certainly doesn't match mine. Where on earth do you live?

MBS George: why are you a BNP member who has stood for office on their behalf if you don't share their views? I really don't understand. I think I'm not alone in wondering why its so hard for you to give us a simple explanation of where you are coming from. Is that too much to ask? In the absence of anything else surely you can see we are just going to logically assume you support the views of your leaders? And if you don't, what on earth are you doing there? It's too easy just to home in on people's genuine anger to deflect attention from what you are doing rather than offering some rationale, and frankly, it doesn't wash.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:51 PM

Oh, I'm sorry Rob On, I didn't catch the postcode.

Or is it OK for YOU to borrow from families and friends but not THEM?

And if all of THEM are bidding for the properties in YOUR street why does that not drive up YOUR house price to YOUR benefit?

Can you not see that everything you have written is based on categorisation of people by race (whatever their skin colour)?

MBS (regrettably) George - you have three options. You might be blind, so you cannot see what the BNP says, does, or is. You might be stupid, so you do not understand what the BNP says, does, or is. Or you know and support them anyway.

Looks like a fair cop for me. Lie down with dogs you get fleas.

Fairplay (oh what a piece of duckspeak) - if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Racist and fascist are fair descriptors.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:02 PM

I just had a check of Paco's posts and it seems the joker lives in Beverley / Hull.

Hull City Council says that the Black and Minority Ethnic population figures for 2004 are 4% of a population of 250,000. That's hardly "swamped", is it now?

HULL CC WEBSITE

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:16 PM

hey richard,   whats so wrong with ducks? don't let our neighbour hear you say anything bad about them, she gets very protective of the wild ones that sleep on our road every year!!   in fact she treats them so well, they don't want our bread anymore!! ... now that i think of it.. fuck the ducks!   lol

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:20 PM

Jeddy, it has to be said you spend an inordinate amount of time laughing out loud. Keep it up! lol

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:21 PM

Richard Bridge

I'm surprised a legal executive should want to support a violent Fascist organization like the UAF.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:32 PM

Fairplay:

I'm surprised a legal executive should want to support a violent Fascist organization like the UAF.

Richard will answer for himself (but he's a solicitor, not a legal executive).

Why do you say UAF are violent?

As for fascist, well the clue is in the name Unite *Against* Fascism.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:34 PM

Try again twat.

If anyone is bored, there are several more twiddledicks on Fakebook.

Pop over to FaF and click on "English Folk" and see his friends and check them out and then go to "John Barden" (it's not our John) and check them out too.

If you see anyone who is a colourable impersonation of a folkie you know check with the folkie if you feel the need and then report the fake.

the fake John Barden is not him.
THe fake RIchard Hoffmeister Bridge is not me
Nor is the fake Richard Bridge
The fake GirliefromEssex is not Essex Girl
The Fake Bruce Murdoch is not (and nor is English Folk) Bruce
The fake VIrginia Tam is not VT
The fake Kat Coffey is not Katlaughing

I have no idea who Sonja Runagle is - but she probably does not want to be called "Twin airbags".

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:52 PM

I don't think you'll get any sense out of BNPGeorge. She's had the opportunity to answer some simple questions about the BNP but, guess what, she ducks the issue. I really would be interested to know why she supports a racist party if she claims not to be a racist, and how she would explain to those Middle Bar singers who aren't white, straight or able-bodied why she keeps calling herself "MBSGeorge" but, surprise surprise, she's not answering questions.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:53 PM

The BNP are a bit of a joke,but given time, as has happened in Holland, a more credible party devoted to the 'first nation' will emerge.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:12 PM

""To apply these terms to those who want to preserve their own identity and culture is crass, accusatory and aimed at stifling and criminalising a perfectly legitimate aspiration.""

Wanting to preserve our own culture and identity is part of what WE try to achieve.

That is very different from wanting to delete those whom you have judged not to belong to that culture, and that's what Griffin and his neo-nazi thugs are trying to achieve.

So go peddle your fascist ideals where they will be accepted. I hear there are quite a few of your old German allies hanging out in South America.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:22 PM

And Richard, we've already got enough Fascists, racists, and s**t stirrers.

Don't you start up another war with those duckist comments of yours.

LMAO
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:30 PM

MBS George doesn't answer questions. She doesn't respond to any attempts at dialogue. In spite of her protests that she is not Fascist, or racist, she has no doubts about her choice to represent them.

And let's face it, regardless of how many local voters may have put their cross against her name, it is NOT her constituents she wishes to represent. It is the British Nazi Party.

She is a committed member who is obviously well in tune with their power hungry aims and objectives, and as such, not a person with whom I wish to have any further contact.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:32 PM

Paco

The BNP are a bit of a joke,but given time, as has happened in Holland, a more credible party devoted to the 'first nation' will emerge.

OK Waco, can't stand the heat on the home-front? From your little bunker in Dull you want to start arguing about Dutch politics? Well I work for a Dutch company and spend an awful lot of time (or a lot of awful time) there.

What rag-tag bunch of prop-rep loonies are you going for now? Wilders and the Freedom Party? Be sensible. They got 4 euro seats on the back of another tragically low turnout and don't really register in national elections in spite of prop-rep for those as well.

Bigots and fascists always do well on low turnouts because they are committed to their vile opinions and prepared to keep smearing their shit on the walls when decent folk turn their backs [on the ballot box].

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: greensue
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:34 PM

I am not straight, or able bodied, but I believe MBS George, having been a Middle Bar Singer for about 20 years, has every right to call herself that. Or are you a fascist? That is, opposed to democracy and liberalism?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:38 PM

and, before anyone starts the name calling, I believe greensue has the right to express her own views here too without disrespect.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,MJ
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:40 PM

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed it is so off topic and one or two people seem to be the targets.

On topic,

I imagine people have got fed up being told how to think and how to act in an increasingly difficult employment market, housing situation and are fed up of being told - oh yes you might have held the same job for 30 years but that guy who came to this country yesterday can get a home and money and you can't.

There are no policies to support these british citizens within the conservatives, labour or lib dem.

Just for the record all those who keep latching on to the re-patriation policy - it is already in place and has been for more than 20 years.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:52 PM

I really can't understand why this thread is still up here. It has broken every rule in the book and used every filthy word (and a few new ones).
How can you fight the BNP if you can't stop fighting with eachother ?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:57 PM

I haven't insulted anyone.

I have been described as ridiculous on he basis of a straw man argument.

"What do you think I did - rang all my little BNP mates and said hey I'm gonna post something now come and say some good stuff after me!!"

No - I don't have any idea what you did or didn't do.

I certainly didn't suggest that you had done that.

I did observe that lots of pro BNP posts happened at the same time.

That observation remains true.



In the meantime, would you mind informing us whether you support or reject Griffins views as expressed - here ,
here and here .


If it is your intention to run for office then shouldn't you be informing people of your point of view?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:58 PM

Er - Wacko Paco - what do you mean by "the first nation"?

MJ (funny, aren't you dead?)

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT "FED UP OF" IS A SOLECISM?

If you want to represent "the English" you might as well learn to speak and write the language.

Your statement of the alleged facts is simply fanciful. Why don't you go and check how asylum seekers are deprived of effective benefit, as part of a deliberate ploy by the government to stop them coming here.

The BNP is not in favour of supporting "British Citizens". Go and read it up. It wants to send (home, away, somewhere? - for swimming or flying lessons??) out of the UK even British citizens who are of non-british citisen parentage or grand-parentage. You don't mean British citizens - you mean white, n'th generation English (despite the fact that we are ALL descended from nilotics).

If you want to fix housing shortages - just reverse the doctrinaire Thatcherite restrictions on council house building and enable councils to spen on housing the money from councilhouse sales. Stop council house sales.

If you want to fix benefits issues - you do that by keeping the Tory toffs out of office, and re-creating the post-war welfare state that the conserviateves destroyed. You do it by simplifying the rules and rules and rules written, re-written and over-written to STOP deserving cases getting benefits. You might want to try a negative income tax, and cut out a lot of bureaucracy. You don't do it by assuming that non-whites and non-English get benefits and that white English can't. It simply is not true.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:00 PM

"oh yes you might have held the same job for 30 years but that guy who came to this country yesterday can get a home and money and you can't."

Where is your evidence of this?

"Just for the record all those who keep latching on to the re-patriation policy - it is already in place and has been for more than 20 years."

Where is your evidence of this?



You will provide none because it doesn't exist.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,paco rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:02 PM

Royston,
       Get a grip girl!! 'They got four euro seats.' Those are your words,four is better than none. four seats also tells me that native people have had a gut full of politically correct 'multi culturalism' and are starting to vote for their own survial!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:03 PM

Talking of 'ull, one of my best mates is a British Asian Hindu from that fair city. Not suprisingly she prefers it here in Manchester...

Incidently, any Wiltshire-based BNP candidates reading this might like to have a read of this research paper about the experiences of the county's 4,500 or so black and minority ethnic residents: Hidden Voices...

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:07 PM

No, Waco, in a prop-rep system of voting it just means that the committed bigots do better when the decent majority stay at home from an election (like Europe) that they can't be arsed with. Just like the British Nazi Party with its two euro-seats.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM

You hippies really have no idea what it's like to live in an English inner city have you?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:12 PM

I live in inner city London.

So does Royston.

Where so you live Paco?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:20 PM

Ah ... Hull ...

I know it well.


I went to watch Hull FC beat Widnes for the premiership in 1991 in old Trafford.

My Brother lived in Hull for many years.

Pretty grim, but not an ideal case study of the success or failure of multiculturalism.


I did enjoy the Wilberforce Museum though.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:35 PM

Inner city Manchester for the past 27 years. Does that count?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:36 PM

And WTF is wrong with hippies?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:36 PM

i always thought that the existing repariation was volentary(?) and on request? no? am i wrong?

as for people coming into this country and getting housing, well if you were being hunted by your government and half your family had been hunted down and killed you would want to go somewhere else too, not only would you be desperate for another country to take you in but you would be very grateful for any housing and money to live on while you get yourself together.

the problem with housing is actually quite simple. there are so many derilict and empty houses, why does the council refurbish these?

why are there so many new houses being built on floodplains wherepoeple can't get insurance?

where ever you go in the country you will find disused factories why can these not be used as hostels and community housing?

disused army barracks or airfields could be changed for use too.

we are not short of space in this country but we are short of housing.

why?.... the government and councils.
surely they could give incentives to developers to do them.

instead of spending so many hundreds of thousands of pounds on modern art they should get their priorities straight?

for the same price as a few houses done up they instead built , the big mirror in nottingham that fried birds in the summer when then flew over it. they also bult the big bang(where i can't remember) that kept falling to bits and injured a fair few people in the end they took it down.

our local park is a really good example. they tarmaced (?) road into it, fair enough but stole alot of parking spaces to creat a grass verge. the rest of the carpark is made of a sand and gravel mix, which on a hill and sloping towards the river was really sensible. they have had to resurface it once already and it is only a year old!
if they had sone a proper job in the first place it wouldn't need touch ups. the result is that the cars in summer go all the way up side roads.


sorry to be rambling but it shows where the councils have been wasting OUR money.

it is them that has been wasting money, it has nothing to do with immagrants or assylum seekers.

there is a huge waste of public money in just about everything you look at.

i am all ranted out for now.

take care all

jade x x x x