Miskin at Easter 07 - cancelled

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: GUEST,Cap n' Ella
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 11:57 AM

Hi Schantieman it's local dialect innit

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: lilly
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:44 PM

If seth lakeman is coming will he be wearing his arran jumper?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: MBSLynne
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

Oooh! Can I have an urf? Or a Zig?

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: GUEST,Cap n' Ella
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:51 PM

To share a Zig with you Lynne would surely make the Urf move.

Love Tony

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: My guru always said
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 03:11 PM

Far as I know Fern's got one Lynne, she definitely had one when she wed Crispin & Claire. I'll pop one in the van just in case she forgets it....

Fab prize Mr Barden, might even buy some tickets myself :-)

Good to see you here Cap n'Ella, you guys registered yet?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 03:16 PM

Ah-hah.

Battery is on charge, we shall see.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 06:19 PM

Battery holding up so far. Regrettably, an incident while topping up the electrolyte has resulted in the most sterile kitchen worksurfaces (in my house, not the caravan) ever, and indeed a reduction in the effect of the finish. Won't show too much after a good polish......

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Polly Squeezebox
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 07:51 PM

Oh, how silly - the origin of the witches broom is the sprig of the plant broom which (witch!) is used to cleanse and sweep the sacred circle! So no need to worry about the space needed to transport a besom broom - there's loads of the plant around Miskin. And as everybody knows 'when blooms in flower - kissing is in season' a saying which originates from the fact that broom is practically always in flower. Mine is certainly blossoming abundantly in the garden - so if you want the Real Thing let me know and I'll bring a load of flowering Broom! In any case - jumping the broom is a gypsy (not pagan) custom.

Of far more importance - what is the astrology for the period of Miskin? Let's hope it's more favourable than that for a certain folk handfasting at Lechlade a couple of years ago when the moon was waning and Mars ascendant!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:45 AM

Well, that's nearly 2 days of battery so far.

If I get the radio/cassette and graphic in later I can put some load on it and see how it goes then....

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 06:43 AM

Polly Squezbox wrote.....
And as everybody knows 'when blooms in flower - kissing is in season' a saying which originates from the fact that broom is practically always in flower. Mine is certainly blossoming abundantly in the garden - so if you want the Real Thing let me know and I'll bring a load of flowering Broom!

Hey I'm up for some kissing!!!!

Don't know about all the astrological crap though. Perhaps I should.

Chas

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 09:57 AM

Less than four weeks now. Should be able to keep away from power tools for that long, so a certain amount of guitar accompaniment is on the cards this year.

See you all there.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM

Guest cap n' Ella:

No, 'Urf' is not local dialect. It is an attempt to copy down the 'standard' pronunciation of what Americans call the 'ground' cable.

Unfortunately, we down here in Sunny South Wales are used to a language which can be read phonetically. The English confuse us!

CHEERS
Nigel (tung ever so slytly in chic!!)

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 11:48 AM

Hammer and chisel, Don?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

Andy...you SO have to book Seth! This seems to be a Battery Operated Festival..Seth Sparks..all on his own! :0)

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 12:48 PM

A Zig? A Zig! Aahhh!!!

Aah thowt that 'jumpin' the broom' wez from peasantry and not gypsy tradition - But hey! What div aah knaah?

Aah'm just ganna tell The Lovely Shirl how much aah still love her after 17 happy years together (We've been married 25) and aah thowt what a nice idea it would be to do it amongst some lovely new friends.

If aah hev te dee it by jumpin' ower a broomstick with me heid in a bucket and both legs doon one trooser whilst singing 'Cushie Butterfield' ..... aah'll dee it! Coz she means aall the world tiv iz! (Divvent gan tellin' iz that THAT is the traditional way - Aah just made that up!)

AND... a public THANK YOU to MGAS for her support and guidance when aah dropped this in her lap - Bless ye Darlin'

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:30 PM

"Aah'm just ganna tell The Lovely Shirl how much aah still love her after 17 happy years together (We've been married 25)"



Eh ??

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: GUEST,Cap n' Ella
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:43 PM

MGAS I've tried registering but it keeps saying that our email address is already in the database and that I should use my browser's back button and try again?! which is rather like a piece of paper with P.T.O on both sides!!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 02:14 PM

Aw shucks Geordie-Peorgie, just lending a paw tha knaaahs *apologies for the accent*

Am sure Pauline's right about the Broom/Broom difference & origin, but it's certainly been a lovely part of the ceremonies that I've seen, though as already stated, I know nothing..... As a keen gardener and lover of nature I'd personally prefer to leave the broom a-growing though!

Cap n'Ella: Click Joe's advice in the FAQ which will take you to the right place in the FAQ thread to see if there's something there that might help in restoring your membership! But I think it's probably just coz your registered name is: Capella - try that!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:59 PM

"From: Richard Bridge - PM
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 11:48 AM

Hammer and chisel, Don? "

Naah! Tried it twice:
First time I whacked me thumb...bled a bit...swore a lot.
Second time I held the hammer in both hands....chisel jumped up and gashed me shin...bled a bit...swore... well you get the idea.

Decided that's why a sixty five year old has a son....needed a tree chopped down....got him to do the chain saw bit.

Some days you just can't win...bled a lot....swore a bit.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Polly Squeezebox
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 05:37 PM

MGAS: I'm in agreement with you about leaving the Broom growing, but my problem is that ours is growing so abundantly it's grown over the fence and is threatening to take peoples' eyes out as they walk along the pavement! I certainly don't want to be sued.

Geordie-Peorgie: You old romantic, you - please will you give my husband some lessons? I think your wish to restate your love to your Shirl in a public way is to be applauded and must make her feel a very special and very loved wife. At the end of the day, what does it matter exactly how you achieve that - so long as it pleases both of you (and harms no other) it matters not one jot whether you do it in a truly traditional manner. Much better to arrange it in a way that you are both happy with. I hope I shall be present to see you achieve it and to wish you both the Brightest of Blessings for at least another 17 (or 25!) more happy years.

Polly

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 06:33 PM

Aah wez saying we've been married for 25 years and 17 of them wez happy.... It loses some of the comedy in the explanation ye knaah!

Aah aalwez used te say we had 28 happy years .... then we met!

Aall joking aside though she is my soul mate (aah'm her Ah! Soul mate apparently) and aah love her to bits. She's worth a few bob an' aall!

It's aal very hush-ush at the moment and aah want te keep it that way until the actual moment otherwise she'll be too shy to come up to Wales at aall.

The's nee chance of her reading this either as she's not fully computer lterate yet - She's still usin' a solar powered calculator coz she cannit work oot how te switch it on!

Polly! Bonnie lass!! Aah'll be happy te dee an 'Old Romantics' workshop at Miskin - Nee wimmin mind!! Just us blokes and a few bottles of spirits and aah'll just tek them through a few of the
'G-P' approach te romance scenarios - It'll change your life!!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 07:41 PM

Tony n' then. new name sussed 8>}

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:45 AM

Geordie Peorgie, all you'd have to do to make me feel romantic, is talk to me in that lovely accent!

Polly jumping the broomstick wasn't confined just to gypsies, and even if it may not have been pagan tradition it is used fairly generally in pagan handfastings these days. Mine is, in fact a birch besom and nothing to do with broom.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:49 AM

Just by the way Lizzie, Andy tends to book his friends. People he knows and loves. Don't know if he knows Seth Lakeman personally

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: mandotim
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:42 AM

Re leisure batteries; Maplins are doing a small solar panel trickle charger on special offer at the moment; about £10, and it does the job if your caravan is stored away from home with an alarm set. I've got one, and it works fine. Nowhere near big enough to replenish a battery over a weekend, but plenty for keeping the battery topped up in storage.
Tim

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:42 AM

Hey Lynne, me darlin'!

Aah think it's aboot time we brought back the birch!

As Basil Brush might say....."Broom, Broom!"

Aalreet! Aah'll get me coat!

Aah think it's ownly fair te warn yez though! Aah divvent taalk like this.

When we mooved sooth in 1966 aah had te gan back te school and aah wez ownly there lang enough te learn te speak english but not lang enough te learn te write it!

That coupled with being married tiv a lass from Birkenhead for eight years then tiv a lass from Dorset for another 25 - it's difficult te tell what accent aah've got - Bit of a mongrel really!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:57 AM

They can't be "Sussed" - the latter are also from Kent but play very very contemporary stuff (although my favourite of theirs, Foo Foo Powder (yes, it is about that) has a very 20s feel).

And on to batteries. 3 days with no charging but no load other than the lights in the Zig unit - warning light on again. Time to find that receipt and guarantee.

2 of 4 speakers in, panel for radio cassette and graphic mocked up. Fridge should arrive this week.

Testing, testing....

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: The Barden of England
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:52 AM

Ooh I do like 'Caravan watch'. I'm taking ours out for a shake down this weekend so I might have to report any 'glitches'.

Geordie-Peorgie was in great form on Saturday. It was great to see you again Geordie, and I can confirm that the accent is much more southern than northern. I'm looking forward to doing some damage to the Port - but I'll have Stilton and Digestive biscuits with mine - and a wee nippy sweetie to boot. The things I have to force myself to do, but somebody's got to do it. :-)
John Barden

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:05 AM

Is it too early in the year to have "Chickwatch" too, as well as "Vanwatch"?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: The Barden of England
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:28 AM

I seek enlightenment - so what's "Chickwatch"?

Is it anything to do with Bernard Matthews, or the Lion Stamp I wonder?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Splott Man
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:34 AM

I know what Chickwatch was in the 60s.
You're not allowed to do it any more.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:03 AM

Well now. I've had a look at the program of events at Miskin and nowhere can I see anything about the, "Partridge, Smell my cheese. Smell my cheese. Smell my cheese!" event. I realise that this is a secret society fringe event, but can someone set me in the right direction. Or do I have to smell it out for myself??

Chas

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:57 AM

Oh Geordie you have disappointed me! Gang awa back tae Tyneside and regain your accent immediately!!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:09 AM

Chickwatch was pioneered by Cap'n'Ella at the Pigs Ear Folk Ale a couple of years ago. It involved having two tiny newly hatched chicks (baby hens, right?) in an incubator in the Cap'n'Ella caravan because they (the chicks, not Cap'n'Ella) were too small to be left at home and at least the first third of every performance of theirs (Cap'n'Ella, not the chicks) being taken up with a running bulletin on the state of these fragile mites who, as they grew, would, by daily egg production, add so much to the quality of life in Iwade.

And it's called "Iwade" because at high tide, everyone does.

And now back to Vanwatch. A manufacturer of batteries tells me that the basic chargers in vans don't cycle the charging rates well enough nor, basically, stuff enough spare electrons in, to get a leisure battery fully up to charge. They also told me that the battery pack and charger in my van (the electrics are a "Topsy") belongs on the antiques road show. So I've run the battery down a bit, topped it up a bit with distilled water, and put it abck on for a good wellying. We shall see.

Do not, repeat do not, buy leisure batteries from Camping International. I have the credit card statement showing the battery purchase and can get a duplicate credit card voucher ditto. The purchase was under 2 years ago and the battery has a 2 years guarantee. They refuse to replace because I haven't got the actual shop receipt. I am considering the small claims court....

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Essex Girl
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:40 AM

I've got mine plugged into the mains at home but it still doesn't show up as fully charged. I'm going to get my electrician (Dave's brother) to have a look at it this week, when he's finished fillting my new sink unit.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:29 PM

Battery saga

Ok Richard. Electrician here, speaking off the top of and slightly out the back of said head.

Logically, what does your battery do? = gives you energy to run things.
Think of your pocket torch. Switch it on. Light appears Ok. For how long? Until battery expires.

Bigger battery lot more capacity lasts longer. Battery dies.

Rechargable battery ! Ah Good idea. Should last forever. Forget it.
No money in the production of something that's not got to be replaced.
A battery is doomed from birth. Bit like us humans. We just have no idea of how long.
When new and given it's first charge to bring it up to effect a battery will falsly tell you that it is producing "X"
A volt meter reading will also give you a number of volts. Usually over what the battery says it has. i.e. 12v = 13.5v etc.
An ampmeter will give a simullar falsification. This is just to get your hopes up that you are on to a winner.

The internal ressitace (and there is one) in the battery is downloading (Now you IT guys know what that is) "X" amps whilst it's standing there doing nothing (Or so you think)

Being constantly charged and re-charged enduces more sediment internal, increasing the internal ressitance even more so there is more, "leakage" as it's known. Your battery is slowly loosing it's effect the more you use it and even whist you don't use it.

Specific gravity. i.e. the electrolite in the battery cells can be measured to see if the battery is charged or flat or somewhere in between. Should be about 1240 if my memory serves me right. Somewhere on the green area of the hydrometer syringe that you stick in the cell to see if you have any life in the thing.

Fill with distilled water only when required and only to just above the level of the plates in the cell (about 1/8th. inch above) More will weaken the electrolite Recharging will be less effective and you're going downhill. Recharge the battery imediatly when adding any distilled water. Very important that.

Set your charger to as low as possible. A long low charge has more staying power.

Normal running of a car during the winter period will have minimal charging effect on the cars battery. Think it out. You have the lights, the heater, the radio, Car seats, electric windows, Windscreen wipers and spray. Cigarette lighter socket. (What have you got plugged into that? The mobile phone? The cooler box? In your case the Fridge!) Short journey's don't give the internal system a chance to reccuperate the losses. The cars internal system only gives a topping up effect. It won't rectify any serious loss.

The battery should be removed and placed on charge in the garage/kitchen table at least over night even all day if possible. Twice during the winter time.

It will also help the battery if it is purposly drained electrically completely and set on charged again SLOWLY. Gives it a "Kiss of life" so to speak.

Hope some of it helps

Chas

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:40 PM

You did remember to remove the caps to the cells when charging the battery? This lets the gasses escape.

Oh yes and when re-charged. The battery should stand unconnected for a period of time. At least until the bubbling of the electrolite has subsided. to allow it to recover from the exhaustive activity you have just put it through. A good 12 - 24hrs is worth while.

Chas

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 01:54 PM

Yes - I know about internal resistance and self-discharge.

Yes, caps loosened (although instructions on battery said not to.

Experience with cars has taught me that an eighth of an inch over the cels may be theoretically perfect it doesn't work in practice and the best way to charge is fill to about a quarter of an inch below the inside of the cap-thread-neck and charge immediately.

I've got an electrolyte tester somewhere but find them very ineffective. Best plan to hook up several old headlights, and put digital voltmeter on terminals and watch the fade. 4 big headlights nearly 20 amps should show what's what. Battery people use a thing like an electric fire with a voltmeter in.

Yes - it's on a modern charger so should get properly tapered up. I have got a 1920s trickle charger in the garage, but it needs me to take it to bits again and get at the switch in the overload cutout (based on a hot-wire galvanometer, a thing of beauty to some) to make it work, so the modern one will have to do. Interestingly, caravan and battery shops tell me my TP2 pack simply will not charge the battery fully because of insufficient voltage, so they must be lying.

Standard car alternator voltage = 13.8V - but to many connections between alternator and van battery so charging while towing ineffective in general...

Yes, that's why I discharged it and charged it again. The charger is saying "Ready Now" (that was Franki Valli wasn't it?) so I'll leave it overnight and then put in van to settle. I won't be ready with the amp and graphic for a day or so, although the basic speakers are in now. I think the easiest way to mount the radiocassette, graphic and amp will be to build them all onto a board in the garage and then bolt the board up to the underneath of the shelf, leaving a space next to it for the little LCDTV, and behind it for a sub in due course.

Fridge will be on its way to me tomorrow.

Snag - it appears the front window has not been secure (someone snapped the fire exit fastenings, before my ownership) and there has been some water ingress left hand front, and I am going to have to re-make the window catches, so this is also the time to go to an opening front window in case of heatwaves... It seems dry now but I will need to re-check, and if so the visible area of loosened trim will hardly show because of soft furnishings so I don't need to bother about trying to re-laminate the insulation board...

Hmm, now what else was on my list? Gas fire and brakes, I think....

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: old girl 1
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:28 PM

We seem to hold the record so far as Dave and myself will have been married 46 years on april 29th not bad for to old folkies.
Rose

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:02 PM

You beat me to it old girl 1.

Winnie and I will reach 42 years of married life on April 3rd, just three days before Miskin.

42 years, and still folking regularly.......alright, I'll get me coat.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:29 PM

Coo fidgit's seen a programme of events! Send me a copy then I won't have to do one myself.
I think what you saw was described as a rough guide, and that is how it usually stays until I panic at the last minute and work out a proper one. A certain ceremony Friday evening and another Sunday lunchtime are the only excursions into pastures new. Impromptu events wouldn't be impromptu if I programmed them in, but Miskin wouldn't be the same without them.

Andy

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Cap n' Ella
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:16 PM

Ok so we were already registered as capella, strangely though I don't remember ever doing that.. hmmm. Still, not the first time that's happened, maybe it was Lesley what done it or maybe it was poison beer. All the same I think I prefer Cap n'Ella now although haven't worked out if you can change your screen name ~ doesn't look as if you can.

We currently have about 20 Rhode Island red eggs in the incubator which will be hatching in 22 days, so Chickwatch is a definite possibility although if we're going to do live updates it'll be via the phone to Lesley's Mum who will be chicksitting back in Bobbing (not Iwade) Yes they do wade when the tide's in however we just bob.

MGAS We'll donate some free range eggs for the raffle - I'll ask the hens to make a special effort on the Friday morning.

Richard I'm enjoying this years vanwatch although if you could just manage to get it stuck in some mud when we arrive that would be fantastic as I'll then be able to play with my new Range Rover/tonka toy (not New new of course ~ just new to me) And in my defence (anticipating possible disapproval) we actually do need a 4x4 down on the farm and my first job was to have it converted to run on LPG, so its really quite environmentally friendly ~ honest!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Cap n' Ella
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:25 PM

"Chickwatch is a definite possibility" ooh I think I just made one of them oxymorons!

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:49 PM

Oxymoron? Is that anyone we know? Are they from the West Country?

Tonka toy & towing - I recommend the Pigs Ear Folk ale "Only an idiot would tow a van into that long grass": Brian Rodgers (not) and Tenterden central camping. Maybe we can do a "Mudwatch" on the Tenterden thread when it starts..... I did nearly get a 110V8 (very old) in stead of the Volvo, but the thought of towing to Miskin at 10 to the gallon put me off!

Insomniac, moi?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:11 PM

Tony    Dave James Alcester LPG man on 4 by 4 expert advice!
Tout for booking as well then !
If I get stuck in mud will blame Guru and thanks for the offer !
MBSLynne ,No favorites with Andy, he Books new people and keeps the ones that make Miskin work as it is.I vote for that.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Phot
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 02:50 AM

Capella. Is it a Classic, or P38? I'll be bringing my Disco as usual. Is anyone else bringing one of Solihull's finest? Only a couple of weeks to go now!

Wassail!! Chris.

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: The Barden of England
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 02:55 AM

Tony - That's going to be somewhat different to the Toyota. Have you found any LPG places for a fill up on the way down or back? At least it should mean you'll never run out of gas for the caravan.

Richard - Chickwatch - Doh!! I was there and didn't remember. I though you were talking about oggling birds - but that would be twitching - come to think of it - - - -

I'm a wannabee for Andy's list of performers, but I must say his list this year is great. He sure knows how to pick em and it more than works for me. I'm just looking forward to the confusion between me and Geordie-Peorgie - that's going to be fun.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:13 AM

General info on battery chargers:

Once upon a time they were unregulated, and could produce up to 20v - resulting in very hot batteries, and a lot of electrolyte in essence boiled off! Bad.

The TP2 and most integrated caravan chargers produce up to 13.8 volts and the current is regulated - sometimes to about 5 Amps but some less. However this does not I gather produce enough chemical action to de-phosphate the battery plates and does little if a battery ahs been neglected.

Modern car battery chargers produce up to 14.4 volts and are regulated according to their capacity, some 7A, some 10, some up to 20. This will often in effect "clean" the plates. By means of cunning electrickery, as the back emf rises (ie as the battery charges a bit) as the battery gets above about 11V, the charger voltage comes down to 13.8v and when the battery is fullycharged the charger goes down to "trickle" at about 13.5V and virtually no amps.

Essex Girl you may want to inform your electrician in case he is mostly mains oriented. I suspect you want to give your battery a good charge on a modern charger (check the electrolyte level), not in the van, then leave some lights on to drain it to a ways below the red warning light in the van, hoick it out again and re-charge on the modern charger. A modern woman can do that, no?

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:23 AM

That's it Richard. Now you're talking my language.

Chas

Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 07
From: Fidjit
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:23 AM

Ooooh and 400 !


Chas