BS: No -no foods for diabetics

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 02:47 AM

If I have a pub-meal burger I usually share it with Hubby so I only eat half, but my guilty not-so-secret sin is that I eat a few of the chips as a treat. It's not even once a week so I reckon it's ok. Maybe?? I lost a bit of weight during our first COVID lockdown in 2020 when I got out of the habit of eating chips etc and we were cooking good, healthy meals at home instead of eating out. The good news is I've kept the weight off, so something is working.

My theory is that you could live a long, boring, dreary life with no treats at all or you could give yourself a bit of a lift, in moderation. The joy of the 5:2 Fast diet is that a low calorie day can compensate for falling off the wagon a bit now and then. All in moderation, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 03:06 AM

No need for milk in your porridge BWM. I have made it with water for years

I can virtue signal with best of 'em :-D

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 03:13 AM

You’re so right about treats and compensating for over-consumption. When I was diagnosed with T2, the advice I was given was…

1) Don’t try to live a 100% sugar-free life - it’s impossible to completely avoid sugar.
2) Eat all of the main food groups, but maintain a balance - the ‘Eatwell Plate’ shows the recommended proportions… The Eatwell Plate
3) A little of what you fancy does you good - occasional ‘treats’, such as a small slice of cake, or a biscuit, are absolutely fine in moderation. I became TMWCEOOB (The Man Who Can Eat Only One Biscuit)!
4) If you overdo it one day, pull back a bit the next day - it’s all about long-term balance.

I test each morning before eating or drinking, if I’m running a bit high I take it easy with my carb consumption that day. It’s worked for me for the past 15 years.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 03:17 AM

”No need for milk in your porridge BWM. I have made it with water for years”

But, but, but…I like it made with milk, Dave! And, of course, milk (I only take fully-skimmed) is a good source of calcium - important for elderly diabetics for the avoidance of osteoporosis and dental problems. It’s a reason I have low-fat yogurt every day too.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 03:31 AM

I agree about calcium intake, although it can also be found in fish with edible bones, like canned salmon etc. I like milk and milk products. I'm not going to give them up. I just have to balance it out with other foods. The amount of milk I have in porridge is minimal.

I discovered a neat little machine which solves my craving for ice cream and increases my intake of fruit.

(Yeah, yeah, I know. Some fruits are full of sugars. Choose the low sugar fruits.)

But you freeze chopped up fruit and put it through this mincer-thingy called a frozen treat maker and it comes out like a really fruity ice cream. Deceptively creamy. I also freeze low-fat, no added sugar yoghurt and add that in to the mix if I want a creamier frozen treat.

It's one of the best kitchen gadgets I've ever had. When I want some sort of ice cream-type treat I break out the frozen fruit and wham! There it is within minutes.

Thanks for the virtue-signalling, DtG. That's just what we need. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 04:55 AM

I sometimes stir a couple of spoons of zero fat yogurt into my porrige along with cinammon and berries. How healthy is that?!?

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 05:19 AM

Berries can be beneficial. Antioxidants.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Stanron
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 06:13 AM

Once you've got used to not having sugar in food you'll find that all sorts of stuff are gently sweet.

Carrots, finely grated, are amazing. Mix finely grated carrot and finely grated cheese in equal amounts and tell me you are not surprised.

My favourite porridge dish starts with getting the right oats. None of that ground down powdery stuff that sets like concrete. Get the stuff where you can see the individual crushed flakes of the grain.

One cup or less of oats, ditto of water, a small tin of mackerel in oil and a portion of petit pois go in the microwave for three or four minutes. If it doesn't taste sweet then you have been eating too much sugar generally.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 08:01 AM

I quite like oats with a touch of horseradish sauce and smoked salmon. Glad it's not just me :-D

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: cujimmy
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 10:43 AM

I like to put oat milk or soya into a microwave cup, then jumbo oats, then sprinkle cinnamon and then grate an apple into it. Leave overnight, then microwave in in the morning for breakfast. Add some Stevia sweetener and its my favourite breakfast.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 11:12 AM

I don't bother microwaving them if I leave them overnight. Quite often used to put a sealable bowl of said oats into fridge overnight and take it to work for my breakfast. Stopped doing it whan I stopped work but I may well give it a try again :-)

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 01:50 PM

My porridge trick when I was working: it was a half hour drive to work, leaving home at 6.15 am so I put real porridge oats - not quick oats - in a leakproof/heatproof container with a bit of milk, add a few unsweetened cranberries or prunes and boiling water to fill the container about three quarters full. By the time I got to work it was just right, add some more boiling water to bring the temperature back up and eat it. Lovely!

Mackerel oil and peas with porridge? Horseradish sauce and smoked salmon? What-the?? You crazy Poms! LOL

But, I use oats or red lentils to thicken stews.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 04:49 PM

Like Rap I take Metformin. Taking Metformin to the max is good for nearly everyone interested in longevity - for reasons other than sugar management.

I have a unique sugar warning system. A nerve in my calf slipped in between broken ankle bones and was slowly dissolved which was ouchy beyond belief but now if sugar induced neuropathy from type 2 occurs my nerve damage yells at me. I'm surprised at how much I can get away with by having but limiting a sweet tiny treat. It warns me with punishing pain which is easy to obey.
If a person is an alcoholic and continues to drink alcoholic sugars they will get the worst of the worst diabetic effects like blindness and amputations.

Things that I have learned to avoid are store bought fruit juice , sodas with sugar and salty snacks. With weight loss there is a reversal of type 2.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 05:22 PM

There are two new routines that I do; a couple or more showers a day focusing hot water on my feet that is sometimes combined with a couple 325 aspirin. Also a heating pad on low for the end of my bed that also ensures blood flow and comfort.
note that I am not prescribing or advising.

As for weight loss the equation is to cut all portions in half. After significant weight loss the body increases efficiency so an additional new half portion regime may be temporarily required to initiate further weight loss if necessary/

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 02:26 PM

I thought that oat milk was good for us - but apparently its got calories than skimmed milk. Confusing.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 03:18 PM

Yes, but oats have good nutritional benefits. It's not just all about calories.

oats - nutritional benefits

"Oats are an incredibly healthy whole grain and a great source of many vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants.

"Raw oats contain 70% carbs. A 1-cup (81-gram) serving contains 54 grams of carbs, including 8 grams of fiber. They are particularly high in a specific type of fiber called oat beta glucan ...

"Oats are also a relatively good source of protein and contain more protein than most grains ...

"Research suggests that eating oats may reduce your risk of heart disease by lowering your cholesterol levels ..."

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 05:59 PM

Apart from in cups of tea, Al, we use Alpro Oat Milk No Sugar. No milky lactosy issues, much lower in calories than milk, fortified with all manner of vitamins and minerals, no fat, no cholesterol, no sugar, frequently on special offer. It's absolute shite in proper coffee but it makes great porridge. I have a fridge full of it. Great on me Special K and a nice cold drink on its own. No harm to medical recommendations was done by this post.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 02:19 AM

I’ve found sugar-free soya, almond, and oat milk quite difficult to obtain here in the Backwoods - most brands stocked at our local Tesco and Mozzer’s seem to have sugar in them. I’ll check the Alpro oat milk out when I’m in Mozzer’s this morning. Thanks for the tip, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 03:51 AM

Weight Watchers now have a points system where certain food add points to your daily 'budget'. I start off with 22 points for the day. My porridge is 0 points. Lunch of, say, 2 rounds of bread with 1oz of cheese removes 8 points but if I add a handful of salad it adds one back. Etc. 2 litres of water also adds a point.

I worked out that if I have 28 sticks of celery and 4 pints of bitter, the points cancel each other out. Not only that but as beer is 96% water I can add 1 point for that so I end up with more points than I started with. Lose weight with the beer and celery diet! I could make a fortune :-D

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Helen
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 05:08 AM

I have an idea, DtG. Make beer out of celery.

Subject: RE: BS: No -no foods for diabetics
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 07:16 PM

https://brewver.com/beers/251566/Celery-Beer