Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: BB
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

Just a delight from start to finish! And Sting's name may have drawn people in to watch it who wouldn't otherwise have done so, so don't knock his inclusion. It was most unexpected to find the whole thing on Channel 5.

I already knew it was on from the thread here, but like Villan, my daughter rang me to let me know it was on - we must have done something right in their upbringing!

Kathryn's comment about being able to do things with traditional music without damaging it is much the same as Carthy has said, but unless you've been steeped in the tradition as she has, and to a lesser 'real' extent Martin has, I'm not sure that it's true.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: bazza
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 02:28 PM

What a good programme whatched it all the way through unlike Folk Brittania I fast forwarded most of that.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

Loved it, especially the band with the saxophone.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:50 PM

Tootler, I'm not from Newcastle, and tell me that Gateshead isn't a dump (apart from the little bit conected to Newcastle by 7 bridges, that they have thrown millions at!)
I think the Sage is an excellent facillity that serves the whole of the North East well, I like Katherine Tickell think she is doing an cracking job. But the Sage is not Gateshead and Gateshead is not the Sage.

It isn't LiverpoolBirkinhead, ManchesterSalford and it shouldn't be NewcastleGateshead

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:57 PM

and Gateshead isnt even a city!

NewcastleDurham would have made more sense and that makes no sense at all

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:19 PM

Sorry to see so much negative comment about Sting.

I consider him a writer of folk songs and few could deny that he has been influenced by the music.
He has written some of the most beautiful modern songs and I've heard him sing with great emotion about the lives of the mining community...Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:35 PM

True enough Ake (& Fields of Gold is yet another song I wish i'd written ) but I did genuinely get the impression that he was using this as a platform & I did genuinely feel that his sincerity about the North East was questionable.
I was convinced of his respect & admiration for Kathryn though.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:40 PM

Sting is a "writer of folk songs" ???????????????, well only in the Big Bill Broonzy sense that you don't hear horses sing them.

It would also have been nice to hear more of Kathryn without the addition of the percussive guitar and vamping box.
Hoot

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 05:18 PM

Just got back from an evening playing classical music with a small group I play regularly with. They saw the programme and commented very favourably on it. Kathryn, as a person, clearly made a very positive impression on them, so it looks as if the programme is having a positive impact beyond the "folkie" world which can only be a good thing.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

Hoot... Try listening to his ..."We work the black seam"

The folk influence is pretty obvious in most of his songs, Purple foxx mentions "Fields of Gold", but all his popular stuff with the police is full of Folk imagary. Listen carefully to "Every breath you take" and take another look at one of our best folk writers...Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 06:19 PM

Hootenanny - what was wrong with the band? They're fantastically sympathetic players (and real talents in their own right). One of the things that Kathryn T kept stressing in this programme was the importance in this music of being able to enjoy it with your friends. Probably being about one of the few kids in her age group and area who was playing in the 80s might mean she favours the band format!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 06:24 PM

PS - re Sting. Got to confess to doing "Work the Black Seam" occasionally myself - it's beautiful and touching (though not necessarily in my hands!). Don't know whether it's a folk song, though. And all that worries me about his comments is, if the NE is so close to his heart, why did he move to Wiltshire?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:29 PM

Tell me ake, are you playing devil's advocate or do you really think that our mid-atlantic popster (and poser supreme) Sting is actually a folkie at heart?

I think Sting belongs to the intelligent/calculating end of celebrity culture, i.e. he knows when it's advantageous to hug trees, write "working class" songs or ally himself to "worthy" causes.

No doubt Carthy, Rusby et al will soon be lining up to do their versions of "Message in a bar-tool (Sting's pronunciation, not mine!)".

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:44 PM

.. so start a Sting pros & cons thread somewhere else for folks sake !

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 08:23 PM

Guest...Sting contributed to the programme under discussion, so in my opinion its OK to include our thought on his music.

melodeonboy...Anyone who writes songs of the quality that Sting does, is certainly not doing it for effect...Songwriting is an art form and he is an excellent artist.

Why do you think it would be to Stings advantage to ally himself to the ragged arsed remnants of the "Folk revival"

There are a number of good song writers on this forum...I bet you'd be hard pressed to find one who thinks his writing insincere or shallow....Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:35 AM

I notice that Pauline Cato gets a mention somewhere above. Miss Cato has produced a tunebook and two accompanyingy CD's of traditional NSP music, which can be bought from Dave Mallinson's shop at - www.mally.com. A bloody good starting point for new followers of the NSP true path.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:55 AM

1) Can't we ever ave a thread without slagging someone off because you may not anjoy their music as much as others? And what's all this territorial bollo about?
2) I missed the prog but my Eyelander has it recorded for me and I can't wait.
3) Just reading the comments about KT and AAs joy of the music brought tears to my eyes. That is precisely why I run Miskin at Easter. I don't sing good - don't play good, but by 'eck I love the music and the people it attracts. All power to Kathryn, Ali and the many others with the will and the ability to hand our music down to the next generation.

Andy

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: nutty
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 AM

I seem to remember hearing Sting being interviewed about his 'Folk' roots.
He explained that he had attended a particular folk club in Newcastle (one thats been going since the 60's) but found it impossible to play contepmorary music in such a traditional setting.

Unlike Jez Lowe, he had to take his music elsewhere to achieve acclaim.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,DaveS at Work
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:37 AM

Shepherdlass, maybe like me he had to move away because of his job.LOL

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 10:16 AM

DaveS - yes, maybe it was in the rock star job description. Just, instead of following Normo Tebbs and getting on his bike he got on his executive jet.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Eric
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:31 PM

Miskin Man said it well. I often drop in to this list and I often go away as every thread seems to have the "we haven't slagged anyone off for a while so who's next" section.
I taped and watched the programme. Beautiful camera work, good tunes [though my preference is for words] and Kathryn T came across very well though I have to say I thought bits of it a little contrived - but that didn't detract from the enjoyment.

Eric