BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding

Subject: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 08:35 AM

Looks like Lizzie Windsor's finally completely lost it. It seems she's personally invited the murdering despot, The King of Bahrain, to the wedding of Little Willie Windsor and Kate Middlengland.

Graham Smith, Campaign Manager of Republic summed it up when he said: "It beggars belief that the Queen saw fit to invite the King of Bahrain just days after his troops opened fire on pro-democracy protesters. This sends a very strong signal that the British royal family's number one priority is other royals, even if they are dictators, despots and thugs.

"It is clear that the British people strongly support the struggle for democracy in the Middle East - this is a catastrophic error of judgment that is likely to prompt a fierce backlash. We are calling on Clarence House and the Government to withdraw these invitations immediately."

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 08:46 AM

Maybe it was sent out before he started killing folks? Either way, it should be interesting to see if he turns up...and what will happen...

This could be the Royal Wedding to outdo all others..fighting in the streets, protests...Hmmmmmm...

If I were them I'd disappear up to Gretna Green, the way things are going..


"dictators, despots and thugs."

I feel a new Show of Hands song coming! ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Stu
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 09:14 AM

Ah, but that oafish scrotum Andrew thinks that we shouldn't rock the boat when selling arms to oppressive regimes, witness his witless tirade regarding Blair's apalling decision to shut the BAE corruption enquiry lest it upset those champions of freedom, the House of Saud. Shit, protestors are being killed by British-made weapons in Libya right now, and the deaths of a few protestors trying to voice their concerns won't stop the Grand Prix from being run either I suspect.

It's them and us, always has been. Royals, bankers, a huge wodge of the police force, politicians, religious types, Murdoch et al vs normal, hard-working people. I look forward to the overthrow of these parasitic goons and the establishment of a republic, and these protestors deserve our full support.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 09:38 AM

She's probably invited Tony Blair as well, and he makes the King of Bahrain look like Bambi.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:09 AM

This just illustrates the fact that the British Royal Family have no fucking idea of what goes on in the real world, and never will.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:28 AM

If "Gretna Green" is all booked up, the couple could always try for Reno in the States.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: fretless
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:35 AM

So the King of Bahrain is in, and Fergie is out. Gotta love the way you guys across the pond pick your friends!

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:36 AM

"Ah, but that oafish scrotum Andrew"

Old Scrotum???

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:44 AM

"Gotta love the way you guys across the pond pick your friends!"

Nothing to do with us. Blame an anachronistic, unelected and over-privileged bunch of wasters. I'm not a subject, I'm a citizen.

BTW, notice that Obama hasn't been asked. Maybe if Bush was still president - then him and Tony could have played oneupmanship in the murdering bastard game.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:57 AM

Him could?

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:01 AM

Yeah!

But remember, when you're sending out close to two thousand invitations, *somebody*'s bound to slip through the cracks...

And I don't think you can disinvite a King.

Are all the Royals that are still around invited? Is it like second cousins, where you either ask them all or none?

Look at who showed up at the last White House dinner - and *without* an invitation!

Wonder who'll crash *this* party?

And yes, I *do* prefer little asterisks to html.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:02 AM

I'm in Yorkshire dialect mode.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:05 AM

Anyway, I'm a republican - why should I use the Queen's English!

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Stu
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:12 AM

Bahrain GP is off, although probably not for humanitarian reasons (but one can hope).

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:23 AM

"This sends a very strong signal that the British royal family's number one priority is other royals, even if they are dictators, despots and thugs."

Hey!@! There's a long and glorious tradition for doing that, don't you know? It goes back thousands of years. And it doesn't just apply to Royals, by the way...any head of state or very rich person will do just as well.

How DARE you suggest that the Queen does not have the right to invite dictators, despots, and thugs to tea if she wants to???? The only question is this: Are they OUR dictators, despots, and thugs? That is, do they support, in a general sense, the economic and political policies that the USA and the UK and Israel would deem expedient? If so, then it would be folly to refuse them a friendly welcome over some mere petty ethical concerns.

;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:34 AM

Hasn't Iraq taught us anything?

You get rid of the bastard holding the situation together by being a bastard, and the extremists and suicide bombers walk in.

We haven't got the military strength to impose democracy, and these countries don't have an educated electorate to vote for someone who won't butcher them in the name of one crazy religious idea or another.

Blair did what Mark Thatcher did with his Mum's help. he sold arms. So will the next party. Its not a party issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:44 AM

"Hasn't Iraq taught us anything?"

Nothing to do with Iraq, Alan - or with us for that matter.

What's happening in the Middle East is that people are fighting for the right to determine their own future.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot 'no cookie' Jack
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:15 PM

"We haven't got the military strength to impose democracy"

And neither should we, it's for the people of any given country to organise their own democracy, not for it to be imposed on them by a foreign power - what Blair and Bush thought.

It's bad enough that Call-me-Dave has gone out to stick his Etonian schnozzle into Egypt's business; bloody Tories still think we have that blasted empire. Because we are only a democracy in name; we are in fact a society of consumers (not subjects or citizens) ruled by a wealthy and powerful elite whose main priorities are their own financial interests, not that of society. These people, whose sole desire is to make us buy more tat we don't need is who Cameron is representing. He's gone there to see if he can sell them stuff, to open markets etc; it's interesting to note he's meeting with the military and the caretaker Prime Minister, a Mubarak cohort. Same old shit.

Is Blair invited to the wedding?

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:32 PM

Right on, Sugarfoot. Business as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:40 PM

I haven't received my invitation yet. I'm expecting it any day now!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:48 PM

I thought you might have meant Chongo, last seen murdering a Banana.
I think Lizzie has it sussed, the invites were sent out some time ago, what is needed now is a petition to stop him attending

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:05 PM

I am already tired of hearing about this impending wedding. Then the visit to Canada. I am planning to be somewhere they are NOT! And who they invite! Too bad the young folks don't have the intestinal fortitude to just get married rather than have it turned into a circus. Great way to start married life. Hope they don't have to say nice things to those unsavoury creatures.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Stu
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:09 PM

Not only that, we get to pay for the policing to protect him.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:31 PM

But hey! Willie's the future King!
You can't have a King eloping, can you?
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:44 PM

I wonder if Ian Robb will write a song about this one. His Lady Di was a winner.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:39 PM

I just hope she invites the royal family of the Netherlands.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:42 PM

Clatter clatter clatter ~~ the noise of the usual toys being thrown out of the usual pram by all the usual party-pooping posters...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 03:09 PM

Why do people have to go through this.

When we got married, it was in the South of Holland. I invited my parents and my wife invited hers.

We didn't tell anybody else and we had a smashing time, including a lovely meal that cost a fortune in a castle with black swans swimming in the moat around the castle.

They have modernised it since, but it was fantastic and we didn't have all the squabbling or cost :-)

http://www.kasteel-wittem.nl/

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 03:39 PM

I wonder if the King of Bahrain gets deposed before the wedding he'll have his invitation withdrawn because he's no longer royalty. Or maybe he just gets put next to the Beckhams. Don't know which would be worse :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Stu
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 03:21 AM

Actually, I think I've sussed the reason he's invited. He's a member of the Torture is Good club (see here) along with the UK, US, China, our new best mate Libya - doh!, Saudi Arabia etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:54 AM

We are planning to baracade the roads of Chorlton incase the Royal Wedding tries to pass through.

We are also planning a Mummers Play around the royal family and it's wedding. Not sure who the hero will be but plenty of villians spring to mind. Diane will appear as a ghost and the Special Branch will appear near the end and arrest the cast for conspiracy and related activities.

We planned this after drink had been taken

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: josepp
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 09:09 PM

Wasn't Britain the country where two 10-year-olds killed a 3-year-old by hitting him with heavy rocks and then were allowed to change their names and live in society free as they please and no one is allowed to know their new identities where someone will sooner or later end up marrying them and only then will they realize who they are and it will be too late and the press is so housebroken that they are too afraid to break this idiotic order because your country is full of self-rigteous moral pantywaists that you don't have the sand to execute these two no-good, murdering bastards on their 18th birthdays?

Yes, I believe it is. Ergo, Britain is a country used to mollycoddling and hobnobbing and rubbing elbows with murderers not to mention protecting them. So what's the big deal all the sudden?

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 09:39 PM

Has anyone contacted the Royal Family to make them aware of this thread? Otherwise they may not have a clue as to how to properly put together this wedding. I'm sure they will appreciate the imput.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 01:00 AM

While not as resolutely opposed as some to capital punishment in all circumstances, I think josepp goes a bit far. Even in those of your states which still practise it, I doubt if they would keep two 11 year-olds under sentence of death for 7 years and then top them, would they?

Tho I will say that imo Thompson and Venables, the 2 children guilty, were released far too early and with far too much consideration shown to them. One of them has since been involved in allegations of child abuse, but the press could not report it properly for fear of revealing his present identity ~~ an absurd situation.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 04:00 AM

Both the logic and the facts of josepp's statement are incorrect. I suspect that he comes from an uncivilised country where institutionalised murder is not only practiced but applauded. I believe that murder by individuals, states, countries and institutions on whatever grounds is equally reprehensible and degenerate.

I do, however, agree with MtheGM's statement regarding the subsequent treatment of Thompson and Venables.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:01 AM

Isn't Mr / Ms Josepp's post the cleverest wind up you ever read?

"a country used to mollycoddling and hobnobbing and rubbing elbows with murderers not to mention protecting them"

Most countries do this. The people in question are politicians that we elect to make decisions on our behalf and the service people who we send to other countries to kill for us.

Thanks Mr / Ms Josepp's. A very thoughtful and provocative post

L in C#
Off to buy the Guardian, what else?

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:09 AM

"I believe that murder by individuals, states, countries and institutions on whatever grounds is equally reprehensible and degenerate".

So if a country is suffering a revolution perpetrated by a minority, the Government shouldn't put down that revolution on behalf of the majority of its citizens? - it should allow the mob to have its way even though that may reduce the country to anarchy/civil war/ what have you?

"What's happening in the Middle East is that people are fighting for the right to determine their own future".

So much lack of understanding compressed into one small sentence - congratulations.

g

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:15 AM

Could it be "equally reprehensible and degenerate" but still the only option?

The problem seems to be that looking at state organised violence around the world, doesn't seem to lead to peace. WW2 an exception?

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:55 AM

I have no basic 'moral' objections to the death penalty for murder - particularly multiple murder or mass murder. For example I could not understand the concern for Saddam's 'dignity' when he was executed - the mass murdering, torturing bastard deserved everything he got. It's far more moral to have concern for the victims of crime rather than the perpetrators. I think that the often shocking asymmetry between concern for the perpetrator and concern for the victim shows that the system is really driven by atavistic 'monkey dominance' rather than morality (i.e. a victim is seen as 'weak' and hence is of no account and can be 'driven out').

Our leaders are also intensely hypocritical about killing people as well. They are quite happy to supply the likes of Mubarak and Gaddafhi with weapons and to send young men off to war, but they balk at killing murderers. I think it's because they want control over who they kill and hide behind moral posturing.

My main objection to the death penalty is that, far too often, the wrong person is executed and a poor person is much more likely to be executed than a rich person.

Finally, if we really believed that killing is wrong we would not be destroying the environment at the rate that we are doing. Ecocide is just as wicked a crime as genocide - and eventually will claim more (human) victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 06:14 AM

Well, apart from sending out wedding invitations, the UK govt is also selling arms to Gaddafi & co, to help them put down the troublemakers :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 06:18 AM

Middle Eastern protesters kept at bay with Western bullets

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 07:19 AM

"So much lack of understanding compressed into one small sentence - congratulations."

So much ignorance and inhumanity compressed into one small sentence. Time to broaden your outlook and your knowledge of politics, history, ethics and international affairs, methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 07:29 AM

Steady Mr/ Ms theleveler, a time and place for everything!

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:08 AM

Me? I feel sorry for her.

If my Grandson was getting married, I would like to think the guest list was drawn up by the families, rather than a committee of politicians and civil servants.

You see, neither she nor any other member of either family has any say in it. Bahrain is seen as an ally, even though, shock horror, we only just found out yesterday he is a despot? Well I never....

We retained a constitutional monarch to help oil the machinery of trade, hence the restoration with Charles II. the principle still stands. The Royal Family, love em or loathe them, are an unwitting tool of the government's contribution to UK trade.

I am no Royalist, not by a long chalk, but neither can I blame the Queen for the guest list, and to rebel against it isn't what they do. Prince Andrew is asked to help exports, Prince William is asked to help sports bids. All an arm of the government.

Now... ask Cameron why dictators are preferable to theocracies and you may get a bit further into answering what Leveller quite rightly is questioning...

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: MartinRyan
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:15 AM

Seems Irish Rugby captain, Brian O'Driscoll, has been invited - don't suppose Ronan O'Gara will be!

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:31 AM

"neither can I blame the Queen for the guest list"

the report I read said that the King of Bahrain was invited at the personal request of the Queen. Don't know how much credence can be placed on it.

BTW, have to disagree about the monarchy oiling the machinery of trade - and about the reasons for the restoration of Charles ll - but afraid I haven't got the time to expand on it at the moment. Soz!

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:45 AM

It could be a crafty way of getting more of us to 'tune in' by inviting 'controversial' guests. Perhaps the queen is not so daft after all and really should go for it and possibly invite the head of the Mafia too and maybe the Scissor Sisters.

No really, she must be so out of touch with the feelings of UK people.

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:54 AM

"the UK govt is also selling arms to Gaddafi & co, to help them put down the troublemakers"

Exactly why Governments buy weapons - to protect their State against anyone who is deemed to threaten them.
Exactly the same in every country, including yours.
Which ties in quite nicely with the fact that any country which manufactures arms for its own protection seeks to sell arms to other countries - sound business principles.

If you are waiting for the day that nobody produces and sells arms, don't hold your breath.

Or do you think only the countries that can produce their own armaments should be allowed to have arms?
Or do you think UK should only sell arms to other countries on the specific understanding they should never be used, even if State security is threatened by a revolutionary mob?
Or do you think the UK should be high-principled and turn down the order, so they have Russian arms instead (or French, or American, or ............insert nationality of choice).

Lots of options there, take your pick - or make up one of your own!

The "troublemakers" as you call them - or even more ridiculous "the demonstrators" as the BBC insist on calling them, are attempting a revolution, or coup d'etat, and the Government's job is to prevent that happening. Whether you or I or anybody else thinks they have a point or not.

I really believe we all have to first understand the actuality of what is going on before we jump to our simplistic, and usually entrenched conclusions.

g

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:08 AM

Sorry, that last was guest me

g

Subject: RE: BS: Queen invites murderer to wedding
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:16 AM

Thanks Ms/Mr giovanni

"I really believe we all have to first understand the actuality of what is going on before we jump to our simplistic, and usually entrenched conclusions."

Sure, I guess the rest of us never thought of that?