BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)

Subject: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:40 PM

This only differs from the tactics of the KKK and Bull Conner by a few decades. I don't support Rand Paul but I sure as hell don't support ANYBODY doing this sort of crap.

BTW, the stomper apologized and the Paul organization has fired him.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:40 PM

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/STOMP.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:42 PM

I've got a million of em Rapaire...

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:57 PM

ignorance+hatred=violence

The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
hatred of Obama, hatred of liberals(which also includes centrists), simple-minded economics(let the danged banks fail!), self-interest (I got my dang Medicare so screw anybody that needs health insurance). What they lack is any rational thought-process to back it up. And so they step on the head of a defenseless woman. "hell, she ort to uv got a lot worse!"
And I used to think people in my home state had good common sense, at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:20 PM

"BTW, the stomper apologized and the Paul organization has fired him. "

Where have you seen that? I haven't yet seen anything of the sort. Identified, yes, but apologized, and fired? I have not seen that.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:22 PM

Associated Press. It wasn't much of an apology.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 05:50 PM

Last I heard, Ron Paul had only commented - via his "organization" - that he decried the "scuffle" that occurred and admonished all parties to exercise restraint and civility (paraphase) and that he was relieved that no one was injured.

First, there's no evidence I've seen or heard to the effect that Lauren Valle in any way instigated the "scuffle" or even fought back physically.   

Second, stomping on the head/shoulders of someone who's already on the ground and being held down by someone else is not what I call a "scuffle." It's assault and battery.

Third, Valle was diagnosed with "mild sprains and a concussion" after being taken to hospital. I'd say the "no one was injured" comment was premature and presumptuous.   

Republicans/ Tea Partiers are upset because a stage hand at a Democratic rally was sent home - with pay - for refusing to take off (or turn inside out) a shirt that said "Bush." Yet people who are not Republican Party or Tea Party supporters are forcibly removed from pro-Repubican rallies, even handcuffed and arrested, and when one of them is physically attacked by a Rand Paul supporter, Paul won't even condemn that action.

Lauren Valle was an "infiltrator" posing as a Rand supporter, attempting to get a picture of herself presenting Paul with a fake award. Since when is that a threat to a candidate?
Where's the "libertarian" voice defending her right to do that?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:29 PM

Lonesome EJ

The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
The application of the same standards to BOTH sides of the issue.
An attempt to find out the facts of the case BEFORE passing judgement.



"Rand Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle

By ROGER ALFORD - Associated Press LEXINGTON, Ky. -- The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.

   
AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is held on the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB/Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is taken to the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB/Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is held on the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB-Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

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Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle

Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle


The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.


Rand Paul supporter apologizes for stepping on activist's head

Rand Paul supporter apologizes for stepping on activist's head


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is apologizing after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with the Republican's U.S. Senate campaign, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the camera angle made the scuffle Monday night appear worse that it was. He criticized police for not stepping in and says other supporters warned authorities about the activist.

Paul has cut ties with Profitt, of Paris, Ky., who allegedly assaulted a liberal activist during a rally Monday night in Lexington, his campaign announced Tuesday afternoon.


Rand Paul volunteer being served with criminal summons after stomping incident

Rand Paul volunteer being served with criminal summons after stomping incident


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is being served with a criminal summons after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head at a rally Monday night, according to Lexington police.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with Paul's campaign, told the Herald-Leader he was concerned the woman was trying to attack Paul and acted only to subdue her.

"The way she went after him it looked like something bad was getting ready to happen," said Profitt, 53, of Bourbon County.


Paul supporter ordered to court after scuffle with activist

Paul supporter ordered to court after scuffle with activist


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is being served with a criminal summons after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head at a rally Monday night, according to Lexington police.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with Paul's campaign, told the Lexington Herald-Leader he was concerned the woman was trying to attack Paul and acted only to subdue her.

"The way she went after him it looked like something bad was getting ready to happen," said Profitt, 53, of Bourbon County, Ky.


News briefs from around Kentucky at 4:58 p.m. EDT

News briefs from around Kentucky at 4:58 p.m. EDT


LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.

Lauren Valle, the 23-year-old activist with the group MoveOn.org, said her face was swollen and her neck and shoulder were sore after she was wrestled to the ground by Paul supporters Monday night before a debate between the tea party favorite and Democrat Jack Conway.

Valle was roughed up as she tried to give Paul a fake "employee of the month" award. She told police she was assaulted while trying to take a picture with Paul.

The race is one of the most closely watched and hotly contested in the midterm elections.

"I think that this is an extreme example of the kinds of sentiments that people are feeling in many races across the country," Valle said. "I think that tension is incredibly high."

Paul's campaign dropped Profitt as campaign coordinator in Bourbon County in central Kentucky and banned him from future events.

Lexington Division of Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts said Tuesday that officers will deliver a summons to Profitt to appear in court. A judge will determine whether to proceed with an assault case.

Profitt said the fight never would have occurred if police officers had intervened earlier.

"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job."

Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton said Profitt's actions were unacceptable and would not be tolerated.

"The Paul campaign has disassociated itself with the individual who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists - on both sides - to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured.

Conway said he was shocked to see the video footage.

"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."



Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/10/26/1495404/womans-head-stepped-on-by-rand.html#ixzz13VT9hPMJ

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:48 PM

"The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
The application of the same standards to BOTH sides of the issue."

Bruce, that is quite simply untrue. They appear to be motivated by a doctrinaire belief that small government will enrich all including the poor. We have been there before.   In the USA prior to Keynesian reflation (New Deal).   In the UK around the time of the general strike. In Reaganite USA. In Thatcherite UK.

It is voodoo economics. It is wrong. In its effects on the truly dispossessed (seen any black tea party members lately?) it is evil. It is aligned with the worst sides of the black magic of organised religion (in the USA which appears to have more than its share of ripoff "churches").

Shame on you.

If you in the USA do not sort out the nutters and supremacists you will lose your last hope. Fail even the limited egalitarianism that Obama represented and your best prognosis is the next US civil war (once again with colour the central stage). Worse is failed state status like the Sudan (or the wild west you irrationally worship). One stage further on is to ask how many of your nutters have nuclear or CB capability.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:06 PM

reports of liberals lashing out

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

Being a true Centerist, I say a plague on both their houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: John P
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:50 PM

beardedbruce, is there any chance you'd read and edit your cut-and-pastes before you post them? You're being rude by not doing so. Better yet, summarize and provide a link.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:08 PM

C&P takes only 3 seconds. He seems to think that his point is 'clearer' with every piece of text in an article....even when many of them are irrelevant duplications. He has been admonished before to edit and condense those long posts. I doubt begging will help.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM

Why didn't the KING of spotting DOUBLE STANDARDS start this thread?
Seems like a DOUBLE standard to ME.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:42 PM

Can our resident monitors of all things evil and liberal please find us a link to videos, pictures or just a story in which a liberal (man or woman) engages in physical violence toward a conservative (man or woman) at a public event?

I'll hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:56 PM

Bruce is part of the river of shit alliance. Their aim is not to discuss or to inform. It is to repeat lies until the rest of the public believes them. It only works a small percentage of the time but sometimes some big lies are believed by a lot of people.

Examples are that Reagan was a fiscal conservative and that his economic policies were a success. Neither is remotely true. Few people believed it by the middle of his Vice President's term as President. Lots and lots of people believe it now.

Bruce is in it for the long term. He is probably going to continue to pass on lies until Karl Rove's "Permanent Republic Majority" comes to pass or until he is a little old fear monger in a retirement home with no internet access.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 10:46 PM

[[ " ...Profitt said the fight never would have occurred if police officers had intervened earlier.

"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job." ..."]]

Well, it ISN'T the job of the police to 'protect' a candidate from things like being given a "fake award" by a non-supporter, being asked embarrassing questions by the media, having a photo taken with a supporter of an opponent, etc.   The police were right not to intervene earlier.


[["... Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured. ..."]]

Only, she WAS injured. How badly, we don't know, but the hospital said she had suffered a concussion and sprains.   When one has a concussion, it's pretty standard procedure to observe the person for a day or two to make sure there aren't any delayed reactions to the injury (e.g., loss of balance or consciousness).    Even soft tissue injuries can become more pronounced a day or two after the initial insult to the body.

I'd think more of Paul if he'd said something like, "We sincerely hope that Ms. Valle was not injured."




Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton said Profitt's actions were unacceptable and would not be tolerated.

"The Paul campaign has disassociated itself with the individual who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists - on both sides - to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured.

I am glad that Conway said this:

" ... physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."

But that statement should have come from Paul, and it shouldn't be limited to condemning an attack by a man on a woman.


"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:15 PM

I used to live in Kentucky. I'm disgusted by this, and that's why I started the thread.

Come the Revolution I'm shooting at both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: LadyJean
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:26 AM

With the kind of rhetoric you hear on Fox News, I'm surprised there aren't more of these incidents. I'm waiting to hear that the Stomper has been lionized by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:45 AM

Activists Face Felony Charges

Sheriff Craig Webre and Harbor Police Chief John Callais announced the arrest of seven Greenpeace activists in Port Fourchon. A complaint came in at approximately 12:45 PM stating the seven had boarded a vessel at Port Fourchon and painted messages with an unknown substance on different areas of the ship. The messages were directed to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. A representative for Salazar was at Port Fourchon this morning while other dignitaries congregated in Galliano with Secretary Salazar and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano regarding the ongoing oil spill impacting the Louisiana coastline. Those arrested were:

• Lindsey Renee Allen (W/F, DOB 9/3/81, 149 Clayton Circle, Vacaville, CA)
• Lauren Valle (W/F, DOB 5/4/87, 415 Shorewood Drive East, Falmouth, MA) What's she doing in Kentucky?
• Emma Cassidy (W/F, DOB 6/4/85, 3653 13th St. Northwest, Washington, DC)
• David Pomerantz (W/M, DOB 8/23/85, 45 Beechwood Road, Irvington, NY)
• Georgia F. Hirsty (W/F, DOB 3/19/85, 1114 F Street, Northeast, Washington, DC)
• Scott Cardiff (W/M, DOB 6/9/77, 1215 Quincy Street Northwest, Washington, DC)
• Paul Kelley (W/M, DOB 2/20/84, 1114 F Street Northeast Apt 103, Washington, DC)

The seven had been seen in the area for the past week and had been repeatedly warned by law enforcement not to hamper clean up operations and not to trespass. Greenpeace is known for pre-planning and coordinating similar protests to bring attention to environmental issues. Pictures of the vandalism appeared on the Greenpeace website within minutes of the arrest of the activists.

All seven will be transported to the Lafourche Parish Detention Center where they will be booked with unauthorized entry of a critical infrastructure (R.S. 14:62.3) and unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling (R.S. 14:62.3). The New Orleans Joint Terrorism Taskforce is reviewing today's incident and all seven could face additional charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:26 AM

"AHA! She's an outside agitator! So goldang it, she had it comin' to her!! Whew....for a second there I thought we'd gone too far! And by the way, where the hell are the police when you really need 'em, like when I need to be prevented from givin some liberal feminazi a good and well-deserved kick in the head! I call it a lack of proper goldang governmental interference in one of the few cases where its required!"

-Tim Profitt, Patriot and Constitutional Theorist

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:14 AM

Soresore, you do realise how ridiculous that comparison makes you look, don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:12 AM

Cut out this "both sides" CRAP. There was no altercation between both sides, this was an assualt by ONE SIDE ONLY.

Even the non apology apolgies say "If we offended anyone"... and we appeal to b"both sides to stop the violence". Again the violence was UNITLATERAL.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:17 AM

Hey, if we're going to point out the outsider volunteers in campaigns then wouldn't hurt to take a look at outsider money, as well...

No matter... With the massive negative attack ads that secret money is trying to bury the country under it's amazing that these things aren't happening every day... I mean, some of these ads are so over the top and dripping of hatred that, yeah, they are inciting violence...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:53 PM

Yeah man this is the real deal, fake wig, fake corporation, fake certificate, sent by the bully, Boss Hogg Soros to shove the fake document in someone's face, just arrested in Florida.

Didn't see any stomp or a stomp to the head, she was smiling all the time while getting painfully "head stomped". Bobert is drooling like he is ridin' da bus again.

What was all that about the fake pimp screwing ACORN?

"Well just before the tape I was identified by the Rand Paul campaign because they've seen me around town at these events. And they realized they know me because of my work and they don't support it. So they actually formed a blockade around me once they realized that I was there. And as Rand's car pulls up they step in front of me and start to block me so I stepped off the curb to try and get around them and at that point they pursued me around the car, chased me around the car, and what you see in the video is when I'm in the front of the car and that's when I'm pulled down and then my head is stomped on."

This video was sent by an anonymous witness at the event.

I don't care for Rand Paul or his old man but I think they have the same rights as anybody else.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:05 PM

To use Bobert's analogy, Suppose it was someone trying to stick a fake document into the face of Obama at an Obama rally?

Now Bloggers are claiming she was kicked in the head by two people.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:18 PM

The video shows one person stepping on her shoulder hard enough so that the foot pushes her shoulder out of the way to hit her head.

The video doesn't show enough to confirm or deny her story. But she did get to the car window before people who were not police or designated security assaulted her.

Big strapping men wearing guns outside Obama rallies were not treated that badly.

Are you excusing this assault and these men taking the law into their own hands?

Are you excusing a man stepping on a woman who is already down?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:21 PM

Obama has allowed his non-supporters to bring freakin' FIREARMS into the crowds at his rallies. Bush would have his people arrest people for just wearing an anti-war T-shirt or button to one of his rallies.

If a Tea Partier wants to get close to Obama and give him a fake "award" - even one that's insulting - I don't think the Secret Service would knock them down and step on their head.
Obama's opponents aren't kept any further away from him than anyone else in the crowd is.

... And he happens to be the PRESIDENT (just as GWB was), not just someone running for Congress.   There's good reason for security being a bit tighter for the President than for just any candidate for office.

Still, even with the Secret Service the duty is to protect the life and limb of the President (and VP, etc.), not to protect them from harassment or embarrassment by probing questions, insulting T-shirts, "fake awards," or dissenting shouts from the crowd.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:24 PM

The video shows her being tackled. How exactly does this negate the video of her getting stomped in the head. Are you really defending the head stomp? Really?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:44 PM

in for a penny in for a pound.

People defend torture, rape, racism and all sorts of crimes here.
Of course we decry that sort of insanity and may even forgive it. But we always hold them repondsible forever after;

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:56 PM

"stepping on her shoulder hard enough so that the foot pushes her
shoulder out of the way to hit her head."

Stepping is not stomping or kicking.

Shoulder is not head.

Where was the display of any pain?

How was she tackled?

She was blocked as per her own description.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:04 PM

"Where was the display of any pain?"

She was utterly passive, there was no need for any stomping, stepping or stamping on shoulder, head or anyplace. Stomping, stepping or stamping that was the physical assault by a man, upon a woman in a fully compromised position who was absolutely incapable of protecting herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:44 PM

Yes, you really are defening the head stomper. Amazing. Despicable actually. If it's one of your own, anything is defensible I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:51 PM

Hey, this was wrong... No one, regardless of party affiliations, should condone violence... Once you let a head stomping, or a tackle or a slap go then the message is clear that this stuff is okay...

It isn't okay!!!

Period...

That's why it's not okay for leaders of any party in this country to allow their folks to go around threatening 2nd ammendment remedies... This is plainly not okay!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

What does it matter whether she was stomped on the head or the shoulder? She down, on concrete, and vulnerable to extremely serious injury.

Here's a standing offer: I, personally, will stomp on the head and/or shoulder of anyone who thinks this cannot result in injury.

It should result in a charge of assault and battery -- at least. And the police should have intervened at that point, as a&b is certainly their business.

I don't care which side you are on. This is unconscionable and a crime no matter who does it: Tea Party followers, Democrats, Socialists, Republicans, members of the Weather Underground, Brown Shirts, Blue Shirts, members of the KKK, members of the SDS, I don't care who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:36 PM

SDS wouldn't have done or condoned this, Rap...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:03 PM

You are right Bobert. We used to get training in being totally passive no matter what, and to form a soft cordon around anyone who got rowdy, and mass-walk them away.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:06 PM

My point, Bobert, is that I don't care WHAT group was involved. I don't care if it was the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee or the Hitler Youth.

Head (or shoulder) stompin' ain't acceptable political behavior.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:40 PM

I agree with that, Rap but...

... puttin' SDS in with a bunch of KKK and Brown Shirt thugs wasn't exactly fair as it was the only group mentioned in yer grouping that was 100% non-violent... The rest??? Not so...

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:29 PM

Bobert, I seem to remember that SDS started quite nonviolently, exercising civil disobedience much as MLK, SCLC, and SNCC did. However, about 1969 it morphed into the Weathermen and the Weather Underground (currently a weather forecasting service spun off by the meteorology department of the U. of Michigan). Those folks were NOT non-violently inclined and I believe some are still in jail. I'd quote from sources like Abby Hoffman's "Steal This Book" only someone stole my copy (really!) or "Revolution for the Hell of It" but that also was ripped off.

Pigs don't represent State power as an abstract principle; they are a power that we will have to overcome in the course of struggle or become irrelevant, revisionist, or dead. We must prepare concretely to meet their power because our job is to defeat the pigs and the army, and organize on that basis. Our beginnings should stress
self-defense—building defense groups around karate classes, learning how to move on the street and around the neighborhood, medical training, popularizing and moving toward (according to necessity) armed self-defense, all the time honoring and putting forth the principle that "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." These self-defense groups would initiate pig surveillance patrols, visits to the pig station and courts when someone is busted, etc.

--from You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows by Karin Asbley, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, John
Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Home Machtinger, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd and Steve Tappis. Published in "New Left Notes", June 18, 1969.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:30 PM

"are defening the head stomper."

There is no head stomper to defend. Show me where a foot touched her head.

The person wanted this to happen. That's why she is smiling while she is getting her shoulder stepped on. Couldn't have neen so painful.

You are defending a political operative, goon, sent by JD Boss Hogg Soros just for that purpose.

If there is any question about it, why was she booked with unauthorized entry of a critical infrastructure and unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling?

What brought her from Ma where she lives to Ky?

"they know me because of my work" It was her job, get in a scuffle and pretend to be hurt. It is an occupational hazard.

Are you saying she did not want this to happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: LadyJean
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:02 AM

The person on the ground is a young woman, small in stature and weighing just a little over 100 lbs. The man who knocked her down and stepped on her, claiming he was protecting Mr. Paul, was considerably larger and more muscular.

He's now saying she should appologize to him! Somebody in Kentucky kick that s.o.b.! Kick him hard and kick him soon! Then ban him from all basketball games forever! The worst thing that can happen to a native of the Bluegrass State. He did his candidate, his party, and his state no favors.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 03:30 AM

SawSaw, even if Valle "wanted this to happen" - which is wild speculation on her part - where is it written that Profitt and other Rand Paul employees needed to make it happen.

There's no evidence that Valle did anything other than enter the rally in disguise (which is not a crime) and try to get near Rand Paul (which is also not a crime - even if her intent was to embarrass him by giving him a fake award).


Valle should not have been tackled and held down on the ground, period.   Since that did happen, the point is not really whether Profitt stepped on her head, her neck, her shoulder, or all of the above.   Even if he "faked" stomping on her head while she was being held down on the ground, that's still an assault and totally un-called-for.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 05:17 AM

"The person wanted this to happen."

Ah the old "She was gagging for it" defence. Sounds so familiar, wonder where I've heard that one before?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:04 AM

Despicable. Can't read. Can't understand what the eyes are seeing on video. Defend one of your own no matter what they do. Despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:29 AM

And the biggest shame of it all is that the poor brainwashed Tea Partiers are the ones who are acctually getting stomped on. They are unknowing, perhaps purposefully ignorant, tools of the very people they think they are standing up to.

"Between them {the Koch brothers and the ThinkTanks they fund} they have constructed the philosophy which informs the Tea Party movement: its members mobilise for freedom, unaware that the freedom they demand is freedom for corporations to trample them into the dirt."

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/10/25/toxic-brew/#more-1294

clicky

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 11:36 AM

Well, folks, we are all going to get our heads stomped if we don't get out and vote and stem this tide. Any movement that has Sarah Palin as its guru should tell you all you need to know about it. Talk to your neighbors, give somebody who needs one a ride to the polling place.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:19 PM

What EJ said!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:57 PM

Connecting the dots between the goading (remember "2nd Amendment Remedies", "Don't get angry: reload") and fear-mongering ("he has a deep hatred for white people", "when their push doesn't work, they bring in the killers") of politicians and so-called commentators…

"The average American is frightened and confused while the rightwing is excited and overstimulated. The toxic combination of Bircerism, big money, xenophobia and social conservatism that defines the Tea Party is happening at a moment of maximum danger."

http://pr.thinkprogress.org/
clicky

Of course when somebody is assassinated or someone beaten to death, the politicians and pundits will all say that it is some random wing-nut that nobody could have predicted would do such a thing.

Watch the Kentucky video…they are doing it already.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:07 PM

I've just heard about this, and watched the video. While it appears to me she was stepped on the shoulders, whether shoulders or head it was wrong. I wonder why the man who did this has not been arrested.

However, the mal-action of one person should not tar a whole campaign.