BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 11:00 AM

Good, I am glad I have.

You see, unlike many on this thread, I don't have confidence in the government to deliver all their agenda.

Government only affects the headline stuff. Those running the country will do what they always do, albeit with some of a government's input. T'was ever thus.

If this government was to ruin everything, that means things getting worse. Say that to the hundreds of thousands of pensioners who don't have a "full stamp" who will get full payment without complicated needs assessments. Tell that to those who get fazed by the myriad form filling who will get a simplified system of benefits. Tell that to the vast majority who see the curb on bankers' bonuses and new taxes on bank profits as a government starting to do what all the parties promised.

Like I said, my main concern is the overall strategy cannot be delivered. Not because a few weird beards are paranoid about their intentions, but because the private sector is not in a position to deliver its part of the equation.

They will not ruin everything, because a) some, not all of their policies are welcomed by many, including many organisations claiming to represent the more vulnerable in society, (I know, it hurts some to hear that, but I can only relate what they say..) and b) some of the pieces cannot fall into place for them, no matter how much they wish them to.

So instead of scaremongering about what might happen, perhaps its about some of the grey cells in this and other threads put a bit of thought into the prevailing situation which is, for many people, not nice. The last thing they need is idiots telling them it can only get worse. If it does, it won't be down to the collected wit and predictions of many of the posters here....

I don't agree with how they are going about things either, but at least I reckon they are identifying what needs to be done, even if their solutions are cockeyed.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 12:50 PM

Governments are no longer in control of the situation Willie.
Capitalism is waving goodbye.
We have the choice of setting up a new type of society, or submitting to what will be a form of fascism, where the rich have all the pleasure and the poor have all the pain.
We are retreating into the jungle, but some of us will have tanks, rockets and armour.....but most of us will have only sharp sticks.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 12:57 PM

Damn, ake, I wish you'd stop saying things I agree with!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 01:06 PM

I suggest confiscating and sharing out all the rockets and tanks before we get to the jungle......Willie's got loads!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 04:08 AM

Sorry Akenaton, can you help me with my confusion?

I said that the government are not in control. You pointed out that the government are not in control, in a way to contradict what I just said?

Nobody is allowed my guns and tanks. I have families of illegal immigrants living in the tanks and I am not fussy who I sell my rockets to.

(I might as well say it before any bugger else does.)

I did try... and make a serious point above. Their solutions are based on the premise of the private sector propping things up. I don't think it is strong enough. That doesn't mean I agree with putting a sniper over Parliament Square or rerunning episodes of Citizen Smith with Robert Lindsey showing the way forward. it just means that I reckon they are not in control of the country's destiny in the way they portray.

Doesn't stop me being comfortable though, and if you can't smile at then thought that the bailiff will never visit again, what can you smile at? Even Richard admits he is content (in another thread...)

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Days Are Here Again - Cameron UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:57 AM

hui SM

I agree with some of what you say.... but Cameron not only has to talk up the recovery he has to act and prove that he is achieving something.

At the moment ( though I do concede that it is early days yet) all they have done is to blame the previous Government and reneage on some key issues that they wrote into their manifestos.

Clegg is trying to discount anything that they put in their manifesto by saying that "it is different now" !!!!

Of course it is different !!! They have to actually achieve rather than stand in the wings making unachievable promises.

Cheers

Mikel2