BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 10:01 PM

"abominations indeed"!
Would someone impregnating a young virgin in her sleep be considered an abomination? Would someone taking a six year old bride be considered an abomination?
If religions shit-canned their abominations would we have a better world? Don't know, just asking!"

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 10:14 PM

Perhaps they misheard God.

Perhaps God and his mates were sat down one night with a few beers and they were clicking through the channels and went past a gay porn channel

God's mate says, hey Big guy -what do you reckon to this...?

And God said, I reckon its a bum in action....

The whole thing could be a mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:11 AM

Ebbie my post was in response to Richard, who suggested that I want homosexuals to die.
My stance is that something needs to be done about the abysmal homosexual health statistics.....whereas most here seems to be quite happy to see hiv infection rates and other serious health issues continue to rise.

I have written often about drug abuse and the crime of cigarette manufacture to boost tax revenue, but most of us are in agreement about the need to address these issues and in the UK steps are being taken to save people from the results of their own folly.

The reason these threads on homosexuality take up so much time, is that "gay rights" has become a cornerstone of left wing ideology and as most here are wedded to that ideology, they fight tooth and nail against responsible published figures from official govt health sites.

I dont start these threads......If you dont want to hear the truth and live in the real world,dont start a debate on homosexuality.

Don is an excellent example.....he knows four homosexual couples whom he believes do not have hiv and are not promiscuous, so why should he listen to the results of a huge national survey which has been investigating the problem for almost thirty years.
That attitude does not make sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:15 AM

I know two people who smoked all their lives and lived to over eighty.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:23 AM

What god ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Johnny Jones
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:22 AM

As Akenaton explain on an earlier thread, his incestuous feelings for his uncle have distorted his attitudes to such a degree that he is incapable of logical thinking on this subject. People have tried repeatedly to explain to him, but he is so blinkered by his fear of his own sexuality that nothing gets through to him.

As someone explained on the other thread, if two virgins, of whatever gender or sexuality, marry and stay faithful to each other, they won't get sexually transmitted diseases. He is now 'dealing' with this by saying male homosexuals don't want to have monogamous relationships.

As the poor chap strays further and further from reality he gets more and more ridiculous.

Perhaps it would be kinder if everyone just ignored him.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:29 AM

My, what an argumentative first post to Mudcat, Johnny.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:45 AM

I think you're a bit unfair to Ake. My Dad was a cop and he spent many an hour hanging round the bogs in the park nicking cottagers.

I don't think my dad's attitude ever changed much. Ake probably had a Dad like that and he didn't move on with the times. That's all.

people feel what they feel, think what they think. As long as it doesn't interfere with you - live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:58 AM

I don't think "God" came up with the twisted massaged statistics that the likes of Akenaton use to justify hating on the basis of pure hatred. People did, and I wonder why?

I'm not gay, and if asked, I like the response of Michael Gambon where he said he had to give it up because it made his eyes water. Sadly, thanks to people who genuinely do hate what they can't comprehend, such light hearted comments can be construed as homophobic.

Which is a shame because to laugh at each other is to accept each other. Which is why I never laugh at bigoted views....

Ok? Can this one be published?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 09:34 AM

How about this for question No 11? Exodus 22:18 says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". There have been no independently attested reports of witches anywhere in Britain for over 300 years. What's more, it's doubtful whether any existed even then, since said reports were mostly obtained by torture. Therefore, does this part of the bible no longer apply here? If so, are there any other sermons, injunctions, chapters, verses, prophecies, threats of celestial wrath, etc which we should similarly ignore?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: John P
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 09:45 AM

My impression is that it is all now a bit of a yesterday's controversy?

Homosexuality is still illegal in the United States. It carries the death penalty in many other countries. No, not yesterday's controversy.

I want people to stop smoking. I want people to stop injecting heroin......I dont want anyone to die.....not even Lady Thatcher.

OK. Now explain why you don't advocate denying the right to get married to smokers, heroin addicts, and conservatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Stu
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 10:57 AM

Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 11:04 AM

Owen,

Perhaps we should ignore the big bit that starts "In the beginning God created...." all the way to "Published by...." ?

After all, despite the beautiful prose and insight into the creative word usage around at the time of King James I, it is a book that has been used by dangerous people to instil fear and servitude in others. I reckon that combined with The Q'ran, they could give mosquitos a run for their money as the biggest killer?

Except mosquitos don't differentiate between straight and gay dudes....

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 11:15 AM

Ake.."My stance is that something needs to be done .."

Something IS being done. Medical research improves every year! People with HIV are living longer and there are indications of progress on a vaccination.

So, AKE, if they DO find a cure and a vaccination, you'll be satisfied...right?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 11:34 AM

Sorry, folks, we've been ignoring the big issue. Did God, if s/he really exists, say these things for which s/he is being quoted/blamed.

As God is a God of all of us, I await a direct communication from this being which will verify said being's existence. For the past several thousand years, all we have had is reports by interested parties that God has told them to write X information to enlighten the public. Until we hear directly from this being, as individuals [which is certainly within God's capability] all statements are suspect.

At present, I am willing to accept "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" as sufficient for most rules. The remainder is covered by the rubric F-IW [Freedom is the right to say "I won't." Eric Frank Russell].

I continue to await enlightenment.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:05 PM

Hope springs eternal.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,sturgeon
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:21 PM

'Homosexuality is still illegal in the United States.'

Utter rubbish! Homosexuality has never been illegal in the US but the act of sodomy was until 2003 and The Supreme Court's verdict in the Lawrence v. Texas case.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:28 PM

Uh, yeah . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:43 PM

Homosexuality has never been illegal in the US but the act of sodomy was until 2003

so that might explain why so many young straight yank guys are so obsessed with 'anal'
on internet porn sites...?????


the mucky buggers ...


.... and rising hepatitis amongst heterosexuals ?????

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:22 PM

HIV is a modern disease. What did the ancients use for a reason to persecute homos?
Leviticus is so handy when you need something to persecute someone.
Old Jewish saying: "Everyone needs a dog to kick."

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,sturgeon
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:28 PM

HIV is not a disease, Kendall. Get your facts straight.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:46 PM

Actually, AIDS is a constellation of disorders and vulnerabilities associated with the presence of the family of viri which go under the generic term Human Immunosupressive Viruses. In the strictest sense, Kendall is wrong but in the sense of the constellation, he is absolutely correct. Don't be such a pedant, sturgeon.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:57 PM

God is love
He's your best chum
But he says no!
To up the bum...

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,sturgeon
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 02:16 PM

Al Whittle, were you born a complete wanker or did you have to practise?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 02:29 PM

Little Hawk is probably the wisest poster on mudcat,

Big Al is easily prime contender for most imaginatively creatively funny;

but when it comes to mudcat's smuggest dullard sanctimonious prig..

that's more difficult ???,

there's far too many to choose from.........

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:11 PM

So, there was a 92-yr-old lady in Bible Study this morning who was all upset about Obama supporting gay marriage, and she said he was in league with Beelzebub. I told her I thought she was listening to too much propaganda - I think it's coming from Mother Angelica's Eternal Word Television Network in Alabama.
She said it was "against God's law" for men to marry other men, and she said it says so in the Bible. I said there are a lot of laws in the Bible that don't apply to our day and age.
I had her turn to the end of Ephesians and Colossians, where St. Paul tells slaves to be obedient to their masters - which seems to be a very clear approval of slavery. I told her that maybe Paul was just not dealing with the issue of the rightness of slavery at the time - that instead the emphasis was on the respect that slaves and masters should have for each other as human beings. I think/hope that took the wind out of her sails a bit.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:12 PM

Seems to me we have a choice between ease and disease. Which area would AIDS fall into?
Sturgeon, I have my facts right. Being human, I also have a slip of the fingers at times. In this case, I don't see where it matters what it is called; that's not the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:17 PM

HIV may not even be a virus. Here is the first page of a nice walk thru tour that gives a survey of the questions that many leading scientists have about Akenaton's little tin drum.
Virus Myth

Not that many of you will read it, but it helps to keep an open mind...

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:19 PM

Ake... "... whereas most here seems to be quite happy to see hiv infection rates and other serious health issues continue to rise."

What a stunned thing to say... on more than one level.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:48 PM

'Al Whittle, were you born a complete wanker or did you have to practise? '

Practice is important, but I suspect there was always a certain natural ability.


And what of you Little Sturgeon? These are grown up waters dangerous for the likes of those lacking in a sense of humour. you have been rancorous , made yourself disagreeable, and pedantic in two posts.

I don't think Mudcat is your sort of place - people here tend to be mature, sophisticated, and broad minded. You just seem sort of wrong - try the Yahoo chatrooms - you'll seem like a fucking genius in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 03:59 PM

Ake, over my rather lengthy life I have known a lot more than four homosexual couples. Out of a fairly large number of people, I know of two men who contracted HIV/AIDs and died from it. That's two too many of course, but contrary to what you keep saying, it's a pretty small percentage of those I have been acquainted with over the years.

You try to bolster your own case by attempting to denigrate my knowledge and experience.

You judge the whole situation from a bunch of statistics—which, by the way, you tend to "spin" to reflect your own prejudices. One "statistic" you have cited a number of times is that "74% of homosexual men have HIV/AIDs." I have checked the CDC figures and what they say is that 74% of those who have HIV/AIDs are men, NOT that "74% of homosexual men have HIV/AIDs." And some of those men may by heterosexual and picked it up from women who where infected.

The problem is not homosexual men. The problem, as with all sexually transmitted diseases, is promiscuity. Is that so hard to grasp?

The way you are using the CDC's statistics is as if one is saying that 100% of men have prostate cancer, which is obviously silly. Only men have prostates. Therefore, 100% of those who contract prostate cancer are men.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics!"

If you were REALLY concerned with reducing the incidence of HIV/AIDs, one would think that you would be promoting the reduction of promiscuity among homosexual men by encouraging stable, monogamous relationships—instead of denigrating and deriding those who ARE concerned.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 04:01 PM

Steady on Al, if he'll be a genius, the likes of you could have a whole religion created in your name. What would the neighbours say? You'd certainly not get a visa to revisit Worksop...

Hey Joe! Very good, very wise but the problem with biblical interpretation is that very few bible classes have the benefit of your sage wisdom. Hence my dismissal of the good book as a power for good is a bit like the inert gun, never hurt anyone till the wrong person pulled the trigger. Doesn't make guns a good idea and neither does the bible make for good solutions to getting people to respect each other's lifestyle.

Sorry but I genuinely believe that to be the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 05:18 PM

Ah well....Another day another dollar, so whats been happening then?

Oh dear, someone left the door open and let the invertibrates in!

Guest sturgeon....something fishy going on there methinks, could it be a Scottish member incognito?

Mr Jones   "Yer lookin' for somethin' but you dunno what it is....do you Mr Jones?"......Let me enlighten you sir, it is a kick in the balls, if you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself in my company. You lying slimebag, my dear old Uncle was my adopted father...a better, kinder,straighter man never drew breath and I loved him dearly, just as I love my sons and many others here love their mothers, daughters,fathers, sons.

I have a good friend here, whos grandfather meant all the world to him......do you have the ignorance and impudence to imply that we all have incestuous feelings towards our respective family members.
Joe.... I am amazed that you let these personal attacks stand....fair enough, gnu is a registered member and not quite wired up properly, but personal attacks by a guest poster....tut tut.

Don...you are lying again, I have never said that 74% of homosexuals are hiv positive....the true figure is around 20% in major US cities.
I am only responding to you to clarify the point.
I stopped responding to your posts after the last lies....I have no time for people who tell lies on internet forums, then refuse to apologise.

Al thank you for being "mild not bitter" we have had many good discussions on many subjects over the years, but my father/uncle was nothing at all like you describe your father; as far as I know he knew nothing about homosexuality and we certainly never discussed it.
We were far to busy enjoying music (he was a great singer of comedy songs), watching and playing football and involved in our great love, greyhound racing.

Bill...As you know, I dont deal in hypotheticals. I deal in facts, and regardless of what you or others here say, the CDC figures are facts...pure and simple

Ian Mather... "I don't think "God" came up with the twisted massaged statistics that the likes of Akenaton use to justify hating on the basis of pure hatred. People did, and I wonder why?"

Are you mad? Are you seriously implying that CDC are twisting and massaging their statistics? and where exactly does the "hating" come in?......."hating on the basis of pure hatred"...you've lost the plot!

Oh well nothing of value as far as the debate is concerned, I'm beginning to wish someone would come up with some sort of validation of the lifestyle instead of the interminable abuse and claptrap.

I wont bother saying anymore unless you all brighten up a bit...try to concentrate harder, put all the dogma and "liberal" ideology aside for ten minutes, there might still be life in there!   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 05:43 PM

I think it's an immature behavour. Grow up and find a mate of the opposite sex.
Or be an immature little wanker that's scared of the opposite sex.
(:-( P)=

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 06:26 PM

"Don...you are lying again, I have never said that 74% of homosexuals are hiv positive...."

It might take a bit of time, Ake, but I think I might be able to find the post on one of the various threads on this subject where you said that. And defended it vociferously when challenged.

But I don't think reducing the incidence of HIV/AIDs is your real purpose, otherwise you'd be trying to encourage homosexuals to form stable, monogamous relationships instead of attacking us "loony liberals" who support the idea of passing same-sex marriage legislation in order to do just that!

Since time immemorial, do-gooders have been trying to suppress what they consider to be "vices"—i.e., behavior they disapprove of, by attempting to prohibit it by various means. America's experiment with Prohibition (making the manufacture, transportation and sale of alcoholic beverages a criminal offense) from 1920 to 1933 was an object lesson in how futile and counterproductive this sort of thing can be. It produced one of the greatest crime-sprees the world has ever seen.

The stiff-lipped, non-smiling mignons still haven't learned from things like that, as is demonstrated by the so-called "War on Drugs" that, among other things, has led to the guerilla wars along the U. S. – Mexican border between the Feds and the various drug cartels.

Tax it and regulate it! As Bobert says, "it ain't rocket surgery!"

But there is the old adage, "Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Discouraging promiscuity by encouraging stable, monogamous same-sex marriages is the INTELLIGENT way of approaching the spread of HIV/AIDs.

One would think that anyone who is really concerned with the matter would get on board with that, instead of trying to fight it.

But then—maybe, with some people, that's not the real issue.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 06:35 PM

Ake... "Joe.... I am amazed that you let these personal attacks stand....fair enough, gnu is a registered member and not quite wired up properly, but personal attacks by a guest poster....tut tut."

I did not personally attack you. However, many of the posters herein agree that you are rather abrasive in your posts... such as when you personally attacked many posters herein with a broad brush, myself included, by putting words in their mouths that were, as per my last post, despicable. You may try to hide behind that braod brush but it is you who has personally attacked others herein. I can only assume your attack was in response to various Mudcatters posting to the effect that your arguements and postulates are stunned as me arse.

Further to you saying that I personally attacked you, as far as me saying something like, "I don't like you.", who the fuck does? Anyone who reads your posts herein makes up there own minds about you as an individual. As do they view me in similar fashion. At the end of the day, I have friends here who are intelligetnt and compassionate and you have your sad self, devoid of compassion and any semblence of rational arguement for the vitriol you spew thinly disguised as factual debate.

Others have asked you to put your money where your mouth is. I doubt it will happen on accounta yer mouth is FAR too big for you to back it up. Prove me wrong if you can.

Personal attack? No. This is just my opinion... yer a fuckin asshole. Nothin new. I been sayin that since I read yer first post you troll.

Ake... take yer hate and shove it.

Moderator(s)... delete this if you want. I said my piece. This post really doesn't need to stay on accounta everyone can read Ake's previous posts and see what I am sayin... I am just sayin, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 07:26 PM

Joe, I like to inform the homophobes that God never wrote a word, Jesus never wrote a word, and it seem dd to me that the omnipotent God that created everything, including gays, would need some mortal to let us know what he thinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 07:38 PM

God is a LESBIAN.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 07:42 PM

You can put any damned thing in your mouth you want to.
Just don't do it around me.
( :-( P)=

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:32 PM

Jsut don't stand around and watch so you can be offended, pervert!

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: John P
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 10:32 PM

Utter rubbish! Homosexuality has never been illegal in the US but the act of sodomy was until 2003 and The Supreme Court's verdict in the Lawrence v. Texas case.

The fact that homosexuals, as a group, are officially discriminated against at both the federal and state levels makes it as good as illegal in my book. Maybe I shouldn't have said that homosexuality is illegal. It's just sort of less than all the way legal.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 03:28 AM

So how did this law against sodomy work out?

Could you be arrested before insertion - or just during and after. Did they raid peoples houses and say, you've beeen at it!

How to prove intention...? What a line of defence!

Not us! We're just a couple of cocksuckers! We wouldn't stoop so low...

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 04:22 AM

"invertibrates"

Invertebrates.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Musket
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 04:25 AM

Now then Akenaton.. I use Musket these days for a good reason, so if you ever want to discuss matters where your blinkers don't preclude your engagement, I only answer to that silly name on the bullshit threads.

However, let me help you a little here. The CDC statistics you refer to have a raw element that is considered when those charged with analysing public health prepare the epidemiology of medical conditions. However, you will find plenty of articles in The British Medical Journal, The Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine providing commentary to published research at a level lay people such as you and I can understand.

The good news is; being gay isn't going to kill off the planet. So if it is an abomination to God, it doesn't say much about the God some people put up as an excuse for tbeir own hatred of anyone different to them.

I lost the plot years ago, but shall endevour to ensure twisted bigotry doesn't find said plot.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 05:43 AM

Troll alert - again.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 05:46 AM

I've often wondered if the authors of the Bible intended it to be read as literally as many people read it today. Leviticus, for example, is a collection of moral codes, and many of them conflict with each other. They serve to illustrate many worthwhile moral principles, but I don't think they were meant to be followed word-for-word. After all, the Jewish tradition was one of discussion and disagreement, not one or rigid law. It does seem that literalistic legalism was alive and well at the time of Jesus, but it seems that literalism develops as time goes on and context is forgotten.

If you look at the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament as a whole, you'll see that very little is said about homosexuality. Therefore, I would guess that it must not have been a very important issue at the time the scriptures were written. Compare the dietary laws with the coverage of sex in the bible, any you'll get the distinct impression that the scripture writers really didn't care to try to regulate sex to any extent.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 09:33 AM

That rings true Joe. I recall reading in one part of the Old Testament that vegetarianism was mandatory. Then only a couple of chapters later, there was a description of which animals would be eaten at which feasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: John P
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 09:55 AM

A big part of my dislike of people who engage in gay bashing on Christian grounds is the extreme dichotomy between the moral codes presented in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Inconsistently applied negative judgement on the one hand and a consistent message of love and acceptance on the other. The two don't mix, and it makes for people with moral codes that are founded on contradictions and cognitive dissonance.

I want everyone who is pushing for anti-gay laws for religious reasons to also be pressing for laws that require us, as a nation, to turn the other cheek. I'd like to see a Congressional Proclamation that the Love is the most important thing there is. And, of course, we should be constructing needles to shove all the rich folks through. Then there's eating kosher . . .

What I really wish is that the Old Testament "Christians" would come up with a different name for their hateful and judgmental religion. It sure ain't Christianity.

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 03:19 PM

I believe that Jesus had some fairly harsh words for the Pharisees, who were the fundamentalists of their day.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Homosexuality - An abomination to God?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 05:58 PM

Ake: "Bill...As you know, I dont deal in hypotheticals.

Well, that seems to me a clear evasion of an important question. You can collect all the facts you wish... and even if I agree that you have found accurate ones, the question remains.... for ALL those who decry homosexuality: "What difference would it make if HIV/AIDS were totally defeated?"

For many, it would make NO difference, as they totally oppose it on biblical/moral grounds. You, however, dwell on the health issues as your main concern. Very commendable, I'm sure... and I doubt that anyone here who debates you will dispute that health issues are extremely relevant and important.
What seems to draw all the fire IS that you constantly evade questions like mine and just seem to 'suggest' that homosexuals should... what?... change their behavior? Quit BEING gay? I ask how a cure and/or vaccination would affect how.. or whether.. you view the situation. I'm sorry, but " I dont deal in hypotheticals. doesn't say much.

This thread didn't even begin as a defense of homosexuality, but was merely a comment on religious views, yet you seem to respond to any mention of homosexuality with more quotations about 'statistical facts'. Can you blame us if we find that odd?

Laws and restrictions and condemnations of ANYTHING... from oil drilling to gun ownership to sewage discharge should be based on relevant facts... INCLUDING how the restrictions might change as control over the problem changes.

I have now asked you perhaps 5-6 times what you would have the authorities DO about you concerns and how that would change if the 'problem' were better controlled. You do quite a little dance to avoid a direct answer. It makes me wonder...............