BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:17 AM

AN INTESTING REPORT - FOR THOSE INTERESTED ENOUGH

It's should be a sobering thought that, if Britain and other wealthy nations had taken the same attitude towards those fleeing Nazi persecution that they are taking now, there would be millions less Jews in the world than there are.
Unfortunately, people seem not to care as much about their fellow human beings as they once did
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 10:18 AM

Jim Carroll, was your dad British? I don't think he fought against the British in Spain? So not parallel? I can be wrong on all of that.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 11:01 AM

"Jim Carroll, was your dad British? I don't think he fought against the British in Spain? "
He was British and he fought in Spain -
You seem to have crossed wires here - - the International Brigades didn't fight against the British - they went to fight Franco and his Moroccan mercenaries who instigated a civil war against the legally elected Republican Government
Rather than support the Republicans, the British watched as Hitler tested his newly re-established Luftwaffe on the People of Spain, those who did fight were criminalised - preetty much as these Muslim kids have been for fighting Franco's equivalent, Assad
My dad's name appears in several autobiographies of others who fought there, including that of American film screenwriter, Alvah Bessie (one of the Hollywood Ten who were hounded out of their jobs by Mad Joe McCarthy)
Bessie describes in his book, 'Men in Battle' how, during the journey into Spain over the Pyrenees, he saw a "young Scots lad sitting asleep on the floor of the railway truck with his mouth hanging open (p 82, I think)
My dad was a Liverpudlian actually born in Glasgow because his market-trader parents were there at the time - he acquired the nickname, 'Scottie'.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:45 PM

Right, so not parallel. Wires fine but communication with them has static. The people in the Middle East fought against us. Your dad fought against them. Us and them in quotes.
You bear arms against my nation you are no longer us. Seems simple but it's not, especially if We are terribly in the wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 05:25 PM

As things stand at present the inhuman conditions refugees are condemned to when they attempt to get to Britain is a human rights disgrace that should not be allowed to happen

You obviously still cannot understand the difference between a migrant and a refugee.
If a refugee they would not need to attempt illegal entry. They have rights under the 1951 Refugee Convention and within the EU under the Dublin convention.

You are told repeatedly what a refugee is defined as, yet continue to post nonsense.

From the Guardian: Charities said the recent arrivals were due to intolerable conditions in the camps in France, including police brutality and intimidation, and a growing sense of “now or never” as Brexit and future immigration restrictions loom. Other also suggest smugglers are exploiting new routes to get migrants to the UK.

Why not take your outrage to France and complain about their police brutality. It obviously does not suit your agenda of attacking Britain
every chance you get.

Now we are allowing our government to punish those young people who attempted to stand up to one of the world's worst despots, by exiling them
Makes you proud to be British - eh what !!!

The more rational among us simply call them isis terrorists and I for one only wish to see them neutralised by whatever means

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 03:35 AM

"(not necessarily 'refugees')."
Meant to reply to this before I got diverted
There is little, if any difference between people fleeing wars we have helped exist and those fleeing the poverty our involvement in the new International slavery we have supported by filling our shops with its goods - they are all infact refugees, however you choose to divide them to let your government off the hook
The same with the "what about France" finger-pointing
We are just as responsible as the countries concerned for the appalling conditions forced on fleeing human beings as are the nations they happened to be trapped in - it is our problem and our moral responsibility to solve it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 03:57 AM

"There is little, if any difference between people fleeing wars we have helped exist and those fleeing the poverty our involvement in the new International slavery we have supported by filling our shops with its goods - they are all infact refugees, however you choose to divide them to let your government off the hook"

I must congratulate you on your mangling of my mother tongue. I simply cannot understand what you are trying to say. Take a deep breath and try again! and proof read it before posting!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 09:15 AM

Read more slowly. Makes both grammatical and moral sense.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 09:44 AM

Thanks Mrrzy
More a case of getting a passing child to read it for him, I'm afraid
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 06:16 PM

Well, ya coulda used a comma here and there... Mostly there (to quote the great lyricist Phil Ochs)...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:00 AM

A new twist in this growing menace to humanity in this morning's Paper
India hads declared it is fast tracking its intention to build a detention centre to house people who have no papers to prove they have a right to stay in the country - it is planning to build another nine
Mass migration caused by acts such as those carried out by British citizens is well on the way to becoming an international crisis of inhuman proportions
It really is time it was taken as seriously as this frightening problem merits and our Governments are whipped into line into stop using immigration and refugeeism for political gains
I was a wartime baby and grew up respecting the thoughtful respect for human life that was shown towards people in trouble - that is now long gone along with all the other things |I was once proud of
What the **** is happening to this now Trump and Johnson infested planet ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 07:25 PM

Me: (quoting Jim)You should be proud of what Britain has become Nigel - abandoning fighters against Assad while at the same time prepared to see refugees drown rather than let them pollute British soil
Boats patrolling the straits of Dover are regularly landing the migrants from boats (not necessarily 'refugees'). Do you have any evidence at all for your claim that we are letting these migrants drown rather than protecting them?


Jim's response:
It hasn't happened in Britain yet but as things are going, there is nothing to stop what happened a few yeas ago elsewhere, happening here regularly
A SHAMING REMINDER
Do you really want this to happen ?
As things stand at present the inhuman conditions refugees are condemned to when they attempt to get to Britain is a human rights disgrace that should not be allowed to happen
Itis is not solely Britain's fault but our government is as much a part of it as is any other

Briatain ghas been very much a part of this massive dislodgement of people from their homes - the choice we have gien them is stay at home and satarve, or be kild or tortured, or leave and endure the inhuman conditions we are imposing on them - a Hobson's Choice
It is the predatory and selfish nature of countries like ours that has caused this inhuman catastrophe - I am totally unable to understand how people can describe themselves as Christian (or even human) and stand by and let it happen (let alone vote for it, as they have)
Now we are allowing our government to punish those young people who attempted to stand up to one of the world's worst despots, by exiling them
Makes you proud to be British - eh what !!!

So, the short answer would be: "No, I have no evidence to back my claim!"

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 10:35 PM

I read that as "detonation center" oops.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 04:04 AM

"So, the short answer would be: "No, I have no evidence to back my claim!"
These discussions have been full of evidence since they started Nigel - every time you are presents with it you do a runner
You have not responded to a single point on this thread alone - not to mention all those that have taken place since the epi Homes wrangle
There's little point in repeating them as you'll do your disappearing act as soon as they are
The facts are self evident - Britain has supporters and acted as armourer to despotic leaders in most of the trouble spots in the world today
On the eve of the Arab Spring, Cameron launched a massive arms fair to sell arms to those who were being protested against
True or false ?
Economic economic immigration is caused by people fleeing appalling conditions and low wages in some of the poorest countries on the planet
Briish shops are filled with goods produced n such countries
True o false ?

See you when you get back from your holiday
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 02:05 PM

"epi Homes"
Epic Homs wrangle, of course
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 08:12 PM

Jim:
You said that Britain was: "prepared to see refugees drown rather than let them pollute British soil "
I asked for any quotes you could give to back up your assertion. You have still not provided any. The only reasonable assumption is that your claim is unsubstantiated. I will happily read any links that you can give which show that: Britain is prepared to see refugees drown rather than let them pollute British soil.
In the absence of any such links, I would hope that you would withdraw your claim.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Stripping of Citizenship'??
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 08:27 PM

""prepared to see refugees drown rather than let them pollute British soil ""
If they are prepared to refuse them their legal right to return (9n the case of so-called Jihadists) and are letting them rot in disease riddled refugee camps, or force them to face the horrors of Assad's torture chambers (as many of them now are), drowning at sea is pretty low on the list of inhumanity Britain has long being indulging in
I would bother re-asking you about your stance on selling fighter planes to be used on the Yemenis and then blocking refugees from wars like that from entering Britain
I have no idea how you describe yourself but humanitarian doesn't spring to mind
Jim Carroll