BS: Does Being Dark Matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:56 AM

See what I mean? Somehow I forgot to take off the italic thingy.

But I got the 100th post so it's all good.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: SharonA
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 02:22 AM

I think it was the "spaced out", "black hole" sentences that helped me see that your post was at least part snark. Or was it?

Indeed it was, Azizi, and more than partly so. I posted with Star Trek in mind and with tongue firmly implanted in cheek. Just trying to lighten things up a bit... so to speak. :^)

But the "unnoticed or attractive" part of my post were supposed to be punny, too, in that it pertains to dark matter as well as to the subject of this thread. Oh well, you know what they say: if you have to explain the joke...

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 02:20 PM

Does dark matter? Well perhaps global warming will settle it all. BG

As I am a member of the most rare, visible minority on earth, I feel I can speak with some authority on a few aspects of this matter too. The minority to which I belong, makes up only 1 to 4 percent of the entire world's population, depending on whose figures you wish to believe.

According to some sources, in a few generations, we will be an even less visible minority, than we are today and we will soon disappear, within the melting pot of human life because of more dominant genes within the world's populations.

I'm a redhead, perceived to be a fairly recent genetic mutation, in the grand scheme of human evolution, according to some current scientific thought. I exist only because of genetic drift.

In northern climates, the very fair skin associated with the mutant gene for red hair was thought to have been an advantage in preventing rickets, due to its ability to produce higher levels of Vitamin D at lower light levels. The fair skin is is also thought to be more adaptable to cold, (yeah, right, LOL). The red hair color was a resultant byproduct of this mutant gene and because this "byproduct" was of no genetic disadvantage, in some areas of world climate, red hair continues to persist.

Whether or not redheads ever existed in prehistory as something that could be considered a distinct racial group or collective is a matter open to speculation.

Myths regarding wild hordes of red headed warriors roaming the Asian steppes and harassing prehistoric Mediterranean cultures exist. Perhaps recent discoveries of occasional prehistoric burial sites on the steppes, with the possibility of genetic testing, now that the mutant red haired gene has been isolated, might eventually prove possible.

Or perhaps the recent scientific speculation that red hair is a remnant gene within the human gene pool courtesy of the Neanderthal, might one day be proved. Or pushing the envelope even further, perhaps I personally owe something to my fellow red headed primate, the orangutan. LOL      

Before you dismiss this as making light of more recent historical persecution of minority groups of humanity for their differences within a dominant culture, based upon ethnicity, skin color or religion, consider this:

As a young child I was bullied and physically harassed, subjected to taunts from my peers and teased by my elders and generally made to feel the outsider, because I was not the norm and this within a population where my coloring was considered more common. I think a lot of red heads can attest to this.

In most cultures and we crop up within all, red heads are and have been subjected to some sort of negative personality stereotyping based their skin and hair coloring.....fiery tempers, etc. etc.

Historically, redheads have been persecuted as witches, burned because of their freckled skin, considered bad luck, subjected to infanticide, portrayed in Christian mythology and western art as cohorts of Satan, in some cultures thought to have been the result of sex during menses and apparently Hitler banned the marriage of two red heads, lest they produce deviant offspring.

Back to global warming….If humanity is eventually doomed to a world of smog and cloud by either our own activities or just a natural cycle of earth's constant climate change, the red haired gene might still prove useful. If changes in the Earth's climate bring about a world of unrelenting, baking sun and continuing thinning ozone, our (the red head's) extreme sensitivity to UV light will eventually also cause our elimination from the human gene pool, where even more protection from the sun is needed. Red could prove the canary in the mine.

So does dark matter? Yes, it could matter a great deal, as far as human survival is concerned and then again, it might not.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Bee
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:18 PM

By a chance of old and long isolated Irish and Prussian settlement, Metchosin, here on the foggiest (therefore posssibly the safest, UV-wise) coast of Nova Scotia, there live a plethora of redheads. It is possibly as common on this coast, among the old coastal families, as blond hair, though brunettes have the edge. I noticed this after living here a short time, because, as you say, in the general population red hair stands out. But here, and all down the coast to Canso, bullying a red head would get you pounded in a hurry, as there's lots of other redheads to get your back. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Cluin
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:42 PM

Q: How do you know when a redhead has had an orgasm?

A: She unties you.



Sorry, Metch. I couldn't resist ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:52 PM

Well there you go Bee, the social edicts of the dominant culture tend to prevail, even in isolation. And if things get way more foggy, the good red haired people of the Nova Scotia coast can at least consol themselves, that if the fishery further fails, thereby further limiting their access to the vitamin D in their fish oil, they can at least survive quite well by running about in what light remains, nude.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:56 PM

LOL Cluin, hopefully I'll never forgot to laugh, despite the teasing.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:57 PM

or wince at my typos.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: John Hardly
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 05:00 PM

Hand me a drumstick.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 05:40 PM

Here's another long story, and I probably have several more, but this is one I helped research for my father's memorial service, and the story was a surprise to many friends and relations gathered there:

"My name is Stephen Williams and I am a resident of Robinhood (Maine). We pass through communities, look at the old homes and wonder about the lives and events that have unfolded there. I'm going to share one of these events involving Adolph with you.

My grandparents Albert and Bathena Deermont purchased our house in 1929 and became close friends with the Zorach and Ipcar families. My grandparents winter home was deep in the South on the Florida Alabama line in a little town called Chipley. Accompanying them on there summer visits would be a Black American named Willie Paul Campbell, known as Jabo to his friends and family. Now Jabo was a powerful man standing 6 foot 2 and weighing 280 lbs, which was in direct contrast to his gentile manner. Schooled by my grandmother in cooking, he was an excellent chef and helped in the raising of my mother.

A summer morning in our kitchen would find Jabo cooking up eggs and bacon. Several times a week would come the sound of the outside screen door slamming and clink of milk bottles as Adolph made his deliveries. A friendly greeting and a quick word about the day then both would return to their chores.

Neighborhood parties were big events with my Grandmother and Jabo going all out with the fine linens and silverware. Adolph and Jabo were always present during these parties adding their own brand of humor to the mix. Back then, Robinhood residents visited more with their immediate neighbors than we do today. Electricity would not arrive until after the War and the roads were unimproved making a trip to town a major undertaking.

World War 2 arrived and with it the draft. Jabo was inducted by the US Army and after some basic training was sent off to be an Army cook. Now, back in 1941 the American Armed Services were segregated, Blacks being given menial jobs such as cooks, truck driver's and laborers and segregation meant separate companies, messes and barracks.

Time always moves slowly for soldiers stationed far away from friends and family and segregation created few recreational opportunities for black soldiers. One Saturday night a party and dance was being held by another Black company, Jabo and members of his company crashed that party and the resulting riot resulted in Jabo and several members of his company being brought up on charges of "mutiny against colored military police and of assault with intent to murder". The accused were "tried jointly", found guilty and sentenced from 10 to 20 years. Jabo, on the other hand, was implicated as the ringleader and was found guilty of "causing and participating", the sentence handed down was death.

The news of the sentencing traveled fast. In Robinhood, Adolph launched efforts to correct this injustice. Employing friends and contacts including Eleanor Roosevelt, Adolph's and their efforts resulted in President Roosevelt commuting the sentence to a dishonorable discharge and confinement for 25 years. Further efforts after the end of World War 2 resulted in Jabo's early release.

Black Americans saw many injustices during the war years. While asked to lay down their life for their country Black American GI's were denied entrance to railway diners and watched while German POW's were brought in and fed. During the War Years other mutinies by Black sailors and GIs took place with charges and sentencing as unjust as Jabo's. Many a time having a caring and influential white man step forward and speak up were all that separated you from prison and death. In Jabo's case it was Adolph who recognized the injustice and took action.

Jabo returned to my Grandparents and to Robinhood. Time passed, during which my brother and I became the 2nd generation raised under the watchful eyes of Jabo. Morning routines returned with Jabo cooking up eggs and bacon and about that time would come the sound of the screen door slamming, clink of milk bottles and there was Adolph making his deliveries. Greetings would pass, next a word about the day and then each would return to their chores. I watched never aware of the events that had transpired between the two men.

Our family will always be indebted to Adolph for his efforts in helping to return a much loved member to our family.


As a footnote:

One of Eleanor Roosevelt greatest works was her effort to correct the social injustices that existed in this country. Efforts by citizens such as Adolph pointing out the existence of these injustices resulted in President Truman issuing Executive Orders 9980 and 9981, which spelled the beginning of the end of official segregation in government and the armed services.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 08:31 PM

Quite a story, Charlie!

Jabo is an unusual name. The word "jabo" was also a German term for a fighter-bomber type of aircraft, but they would have pronounced it differently...as "yah-bo".

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 09:11 PM

Little Hawk-

We also did some research on the name "Jabo" and the best we came up with was that it was a nickname indicating the small gulf state town he came from. I never knew that his parents had named him "Willie Paul Nelson" until I saw photocopies of the letters documenting his case.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 10:11 PM

Ditto what Little Hawk said. That was a GREAT story, Charley.

Thanks for sharing it!

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 11:25 PM

I think we are witnessing the unthinkable now in politics when they are asking "Is Barak black enough?" What an insulting question to everyone..to all African Americans (even as they are doing the asking often), and especially to biracial or multiracial people. He is black enough, he is white enough. Everyone is enough of whatever they are and people should find other things to vote or not vote for him other than that stupid question. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 11:41 PM

Yeah, that's for dang sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:25 AM

"Is Barak black enough?" What an insulting question to everyone..to all African Americans (even as they are doing the asking often), and especially to biracial or multiracial people -mg


mg, in my opinion, many of the African Americans asking that question-I'm not one, and I don't know any who have- are either minions of a contingent whose aim is to "divide" the Black vote so that they can continue ruling or people who are just echoing what they hear without thinking about what they hear.

[Here's a new African proverb: "If you repeat something often enough, people will often start repeating it"].

Other people can see the benefit in using Black people's internal conflicts about skin color preferences & prejudices to minimize potentially huge Black support for Obama. In his primary races, and if he becomes the Democratic candidate for president, Barak Obama's huge support from Black people is likely to come not only because he's a brotha [I mean Clarence Thomas is a brotha & Condi Rice is a sista, but very few African Americans support them. Obama's support from Black people will come because of his policies and his persona as a likeable, intelligent, strong man. Also, Black people-and I dare say other people- will also consciously or unconsciously take into consideration the persona of his African American wife [who comes across as a African American wife who comes across as intelligent, personable, and strong], and the Kennedyish image of these attractive parents with their attractive young children}.

People familiar with Marcus Garvey's Black activism in the 1920s, may equate the question "Is he a race person?" with today's question "Is he black enough?". However, imo, these questions are not the same.

Garveyites {and others} advocated that all Black should work to change the dire situation experienced by Black people {in particular, but certainly these efforts benefitted others} with regard to political, economic, social, educational, health care, juvenile justice and other conditions. Also "art" was not supposed to be "just for art's sake" {meaning just for aesthetic appreciation or enjoyment}. Instead art was supposed to be a means to help "raise the race".

"Being a "race man" {or "race woman", though you don't find the term "race woman" as much as you find its masculine version} was a descriptor of those Black people who helped raise the race. This referent was used by the individual themselves as well as by others in reference to them. Sometimes "race man" was used pridefully by others, and sometimes not. But it was always used pridefully by those who referred to themselves by that term.

* Probably because of the issues of woman's rights & woman's role, the term "race woman" is not found in print as often as the term "race man".

"Raising The Race" is sometimes used nowadays as the title or theme for professional journals or seminars.
Click here to see a contemporary example of the use of that term:

http://www.blackhistory4schools.com/2007/02/preparing_to_ra.html

However, the term "race man" or "race woman" in the context that it was used during Marcus Garvey's time-is rarely if ever used today by African Americans. Instead some Black Americans use the term "conscious" Black people to describe those people who work for the betterment of the race. Among "conscious" Black people, the referent "negro" [with lower case or upper case first letter] is sometimes also used in print and in verbal conversation to refer to those people who work, speak, or act in such ways that bring harm to Black people as a race.

Imo, the term "afro-centric" as a descriptor of Black people is not the same now-if it ever was the same-as being a "conscious" Black person. A conscious Black person may or may not be afro-centric, in the cultural sense that I and some others use that term. In other words, an "afrocentric" may be a person who loves African drums, African dance, African decor, and other indices of Black culture. That person may or may not consciously be working to raise the race.

For centuries, African Americans have had & continue to have real problems with color consciousness {usually but not always presenting as preferences within the race for light skin rather than dark skin people}. However, some of the most prominent Black leaders have been and continue to be people of mixed race {historically I will cite Frederick Douglass, W.E.B DuBois, and Booker T. Washington.

My point is that Black people didn't ask were these men who had Black/White ancestryreally Black because of their White ancestry. They asked would the positions that these men advocated help to improve the conditions of African Americans as a whole.

I believe that those people who framed the "Is Obama black enough" question want to tap into Black people's unresolved conflict about skin color preference. I think they want to ask us to question whether Obama really African American. But those people who want Black people to argue among themselves about whether Obama's skin color is dark enough forget one thing-or want others to forget-that there are a lots of Black people whose skin is faaar lighter than Obamas. And many of these people have two Black birth parents.

The people-Black, or non-Black who are mouthing this "Is Obama black enough" question want to distract people from considering the positions that Barak Obama is advocating {and I say this as one who has not decided who I will vote for in the Democratic primary}.

Even a few 100 or thousands votes that can be pealed away from Obama will be beneficial to Republicans. And that, my friends, is why this "Is Obama black enough?" question is being asked.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:28 AM

Sorry, I didn't mean to keep the italic font function on.

I'm still trying to get the hang of using those change the font function. Hopefully, things won't get worse before they get better.

[it was a matter of the i before the /, instead of after - (a clone)

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:46 AM

I don't know...it seems to have been so put out there by others. But maybe, and if so, it is descpicable...?? And I hope the day will come when everyone is free to think and speak and vote as they please and not having to confirm to stereotypes..and some are not healthy...I love watching Professor Amos on TV hawking his drain cleaners because he is so unsophisticated and just free to be who he is...and the hemorrhoid commercial where the husband is embarrassed about it...where there is no pressure to be anything other than honest and decent. This pressure to conform too much is hurting many many people, especially youth...Michele Obama told them to lay off on that question..that it was confusing the nation's children.   mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:44 AM

Answering the question "Does being dark matter?" necessarily involves layers of interpretations and re-interpretations. It's the short-cuts that often get "us" in trouble, or those we love.

As someone who has moved from rural coastal Maine to three years of Peace Corps work in Ethiopia, to assisting with an overly ambitious inner-city Detroit geography project coordinated by Black high school students, to coordinating an overly ambitious anti-mortgage redlining campaign, I've got lots of experience to process. I may try a few more stories, but the stories are never the full story.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:48 PM

when light and dark are the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same_color_illusion



our "green earth"
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070715.html



clouds caome out of the sky and just stand there
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070814.html

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:00 PM

"Here's a new African proverb: "If you repeat something often enough, people will often start repeating it"]."


                            I think Joseph Goebbels said that.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:54 PM

True dat. And unfortunately, at least that time, he spoke the truth.

But-just for the record-I am NOT the reincarnated Joseph Goebbels.

However, I used to be called Makeda.

Can you guess who I was?

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 11:00 PM

I should also have said that another name for my reincarnated self is Bilqis.

[That's another hint to help you figure out who I was}.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: TheSnail
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 05:27 AM

Azizi

Can you guess who I was?

If you had broached a matter
That might the learned please,
You had before the sun had thrown
Our shadows on the ground
Discovered that my thoughts, not it,
Are but a narrow pound.'

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:08 AM

Azizi-

Are you sure you do not mean Masaya?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:25 PM

"However, I used to be called Makeda."

      "I should also have said that another name for my reincarnated self is Bilqis."


                  Sorry, I'm drawing a blank, but there are a number of things for which I'm not terribly well informed.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: TheSnail
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 01:42 PM

Riginslinger

Sorry, I'm drawing a blank

C'mon. It';s not that difficult to find Makeda.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 03:28 PM

Well, alright, now! Snail is a winner!!!

And-true confession- I really don't think I was Makeda in another life. But "Makeda" was the Internet name that I used on another blog when I first started posting online.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 04:36 PM

I see exactly what colour people are.

It's impossible not to if you have good eyesight.

It doesn't affect my ability to make a connection with them, and I make my judgements about people based on the content of their character and not their pigmentation.

Yes dark matters. In your model of a universe containing dark and light matter, in which you have defined those terms to mean dark and light skinned people, all matter matters, just as it does in astronomy.

I haven't been to America, but I have spent time in Africa and there is a sparkling universe of dark matter there that filled my every night with warmth, that despite there being no electricity and the dark matter being invisible to the naked eye.

Yes Azizi, dark matters and you are very visible to me.

Thought you might fancy a look through a different telescope.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 05:34 PM

"..."Makeda" was the Internet name that I used on another blog when I first started posting online."

                Makes me want to research Azizi.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 07:48 PM

Yes Azizi, dark matters and you are very visible to me.

Thought * you might fancy a look through a different telescope.
-GUEST,lox

Although I'm aware that there's some psychological or sociological theory that says that a person's perception is colored by her or his self **, one of the things that I like best about Mudcat is that this forum provides opportunities to learn how people from different cultures "live, move, and have their being". I mean, after all, I've got a Sagittarius sun, mercury, and Jupiter, and my moon is in Aquarius. So being interested in different cultures is a core part of my astrological makeup. ***

That said, I still stand by my statement that I shared in the first post of this thread that "Sometimes I reflect on how Mudcat thread conversations would be different if more people of color posted here or if these conversations were taking place on either a majority Black forum or a forum that had many more Black people and other people of color."

Of course, it stands to reason that no two conversations are ever the same regardless of whether they are conducted by the same people-and whether they are held by people from the same racial, ethnic, and cultural background. {And that's why I don't mind threads whose subject is the same as a previously started thread/s. But it's helpful when links to the previous threads are included].

However, I was speculating that if Mudcat were more racially and ethnically diverse, not only might different subjects be introduced, but the conversations about the same subjects might be somewhat or significantly different since more of the participants [hopefully] would include reflections or examples from their varied experiences as people of color.

For instance, it would have been [would be] interesting to see whether and how having more Black people, and/or more other people of color posting on these threads would have impacted the discussion of the thread's topic:

thread.cfm?threadid=103194
USA 'Browning' -- Ethnic Diversity
['nuff said]

thread.cfm?threadid=23200
Jacomo finane? What does that mean?

[It would have been great if some Mardi Gras Indians or some other Black people from New Orleans or elsewhere who know that culture had posted [would post] on that thread]


* perhaps lox meant "though" and not "thought" ??

** or whatever field of study this theory {whose name I can't recall} comes from

*** Here's a link to a wikipedia article on zodiac signs for those who are interested in learning about that subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_sign

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:25 PM

Riginslinger,
if by your 16 Aug 07 - 05:34 PM comment you are asking which blog did I use the Internet name Makeda*, it was on the old Wesley Clark For President blog. That blog ended abruptly when General Clark withdrew from the 2004 Femocratic primary. I was devastated by Gen. Clark's withdrawal, because I felt {and still feel] that he would have made a great United States president. I was also devastated because I had become a regular poster to that blog, and when that blog closed down, I abruptly lost connection with many people who I had come to know and admire.

Because I was homeless [having faced the dissolution of my "Internet family", and because for some reason I had kept the URL for Mudcat after visiting here one time in 2002, I returned to Mudcat in 2004 and have been here ever since.

Fwiw, the first time I visited Mudcat-thanks to a Mudcat member visiting the website where I provided the content and a friend did the technical Internet thingies, I ddn't "get" what this site was all about. For instance, I was so Internet unsavvy that I didn't know what a "thread" was, and that you had to click on the title to read the discussion.

Times change. And now I even know how to post comments with a change of font. Well...maybe I should say I'm learning how to post comments using another font, since I'm not yet totality confident that I've "got" that process. But at least I'm tryin.


*By the way I pronounce Makeda, mah-KAY-dah.

Part of the reason why I dropped that name and went back to using my "real" name is that it occurred to me that some people might be pronouncing Makeda as make dah.

Besides, I like the sound and the meaning of the name Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:29 PM

OOPS!

I meant "Democratic" instead of "Femocratic"

Still, having a Femocratic political party might not be a bad idea.

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: gnu
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:32 PM

Hehehehehehe.... good oh eh!

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:39 PM

Just for the heck of it, I decided to google the name Makeda and found out that there is a person by that name who posts on the Daily Kos blog, as per this clip which I didn't open:

"Daily Kos: We're onto something; let's not let it get away from us...by Makeda on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:55:41 PM PDT. [ Parent ] ...... and on to Mark Warner, Wesley Clark, and two governors, Tom Vilsack of Iowa and Bill ..."

-snip-

Sometimes I post links to that political blog with comments I make about political subjects on Mudcat. However, I have never been a member of Daily Kos. But I do lurk there a lot.

I hope the Makeda from Daily Kos wears that name well.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 11:20 PM

Azizi - Yes, I can see that it is a very special name. I think Wesley Clark probably got eaten up in the money hunt that has become so important in running for office in America. One has to compromise one's integrity to such an extent to get elected, there doesn't seem to be much left of the candidate once he/she gets elected.

                  There's really something wrong with all of that, and there must be a solution.

                  By the way, I finally figured out what you were trying to say about the text books in Washinton DC.

Subject: RE: BS: Does Being Dark Matter?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 05:29 PM

Hi,

I did intend "thought" and not "though".

I can see as I read it back that for the purposes of fluency "though" would have scanned nicely, but I'm afraid it would have made a nonsense of my post.

For the record, the telescope I refer to represents my own humble but sincere perspective.