BS: Janet Jacksons Breast

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Mooh
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:12 PM

Dave...Oh. I hate those smiley things too, but only in my own writing. I get ya now. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Pseudolus
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:17 PM

Hey Ron, we finally agree on something! haha! Actually I think we're a lot closer than we sound on this, but the John Flynn thing? I'm right there with ya, "Dragon" is an awesome CD! I have all of his CD's and love them all but "To the Point" also stands out as a favorite to me....

If you get a chance folks, go to the site listed above where you can listen to clips of some of John's work. You can even order CD's online. Hmmm, I wonder if I'll get a commission? HA!

Back to the Breast, I do have a difficult time blaming the NFL for this whole thing. Yeah, they paid for it but there's no indication so far that they actually requested it. The commisioner came out immediately denouncing the incident. I mean the NFL hired CBS and CBS hired MTV and MTV hired Timberlake and Jackson. The performers didn't tell MTV who didn't tell CBS who didn't tell the NFL. I guess my question is, what should the NFL have done differently? I'm not trying to start more of a fuss here I'd really like to know what y'all think...

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:33 PM

Since I am not a football fan, I did not watch the SuperBowel. I probably would not have watched it anyway, but I had musical things to do while it was going on, so our modern day gladiators had to do their thing without my observation. As a result, I first heard of Janet Jackson's abrupt décolleté here on this very thread. My response was an amused "Sheesh!" So much for that, I thought.

But yesterday evening, somewhat before 6:00 p.m. I popped on the tube in preparation for watching the Jim Lehrer News Hour on PBS, as I usually do. I was somewhat early, so I surfed through the ghetto of cable news channels:   CNN, CNN Headline News, CNBC, MSNBC, and Fox News Service. The first thing that greeted me as Fox News came on (which I sometimes watch for amusement) was a view of Janet Jackson (bizarrely garbed as usual) prancing about a stage with some dude (Justin Timberlake, I presume—never heard of him 'til now) gallumphing around after her. He reaches around, grabs the front of her dress (or whatever she was wearing), and suddenly, for about a second and a half at most, Miss Jackson's right breast is exposed to the world. All of this at a considerable distance, too far to see anything but a flash of flesh, but no detail, not even the ornate pasty she is said to have been wearing. In the meantime, two talking heads are holding forth in an animated fashion, expressing shock and outrage. Then, through the magic of "instant replay," they showed it again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again....

I changed channels to MSNBC, and there I saw Miss Jackson's sudden exposure again. And again. And again. And again....

ALL of the news channels were doing the same thing. Again. And again.... Even ESPN, of course! Instant replay, after all.

The implication of all this replaying was "Look fast, or you'll miss it!"

On the Jim Lehrer News Hour (a fairly serious news program) they did not lead with this. At the very end of the opening news briefs before going into the longer stories, Lehrer mentioned it with a rather wry smile, showed the clip once, then moved on to the sort of things that a good news program should be concerned with.

As a result of this sudden onslaught of displaying feminine attributes (only one attribute, really) on television, three thoughts occurred to me:—

The first is a comment attributed to King Charles II, said to have been a notorious womanizer. Upon observing a woman in his court who sported a gown with an extremely low neckline, he is said to have remarked to a companion, "God's blood, sir! I haven't seen such a display since the day I was weaned!"

The second thought was in noting how outraged the talking heads were at this "tasteless display"—as they continued the "tasteless display" of Miss Jackson's boob over and over. I just heard a media critic on KUOW (local NPR affiliate) comment that he was at home watching the game and taking notes on his clipboard, and apparently reached for his beer at the wrong moment because he missed it entirely. He saw the clip later (again, and again, and again. . . .), noted that the exposure lasted for less than two seconds and was at too great a distance to see anything. His opinion was that if the news Twinkies hadn't gone up like a haystack on fire, it would not have suddenly become the Story of the Year. If it was intentional, which it pretty obviously was, then congratulations to Miss Jackson, because she has gone a long way toward resuscitating a flagging career.

And the third thought was a restatement of the old conundrum about "why are there so many more horses asses than there are horses?" If one were to take the number of human females over the age of puberty and multiply their number by two, assuming normal circumstances, one would then know how many boobs there are in the world. And yet, the actual number of boobs is much larger than that. It is my belief that many of those excess boobs are in the television news business.

Ruminations on a slow Tuesday morning. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:34 PM

Frank, I think we agree on many things, more than we initially realized! We both feel that children need to be "taught", not "told". I don't think either of us felt the halftime show was appropriate for the game, and I think our only disagreement was on how we were "shocked" by the whole thing. If I can paraphrase, you seemed shocked at the trash, I felt that it was what I expected given the way culture has evolved in the last 50 years. It is hard to shock me. I am also a bit jaded being in the profession and having a close relative in upper mangagement at MTV. I don't approve of their programming all the time, but I do admire what they do. They produce some amazing documentaries that no one hears about because the media harps on incidents like this. Rock The Vote has made significant strides in getting young people to register to vote.

As to your point about the NFL.   This was not the first time MTV produced a half-time show. If this "breast" incident did not happen, I think Sunday's halftime show would not have been much of a discussion. The crotch grabbing and language can be seen in many network shows at all hours.

CBS did not hire MTV, the NFL did. The NFL owns the rights to all this. Since MTV and CBS are owned by Viacom, they kept The NFL was given an outline of what MTV was going to present. Once they were sold on the concept, MTV went to work on the details. All the entities were present at rehearsals so they knew what was going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:38 PM

Oops.. a clarification on the last sentence of my previous post. When I said that all entities knew what was going to happen, I was talking about the overall performances.... they did not know about Janet flashing her boob.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:38 PM

Maybe a little more football and a little less hype?

I turned the TV off before the game ever started because I got tired of the build-up. It's just a football game, for chrissake. It's not even particularly good football.

Canadian football! That's where it's at, man. A wider field, only three chances to make a first down, one more man on the field per side, and only 20 seconds allowed between plays, unlike American football which allows 45 seconds of farting around. Oh, and less money involved to screw things up even more.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:56 PM

Anyone who believes JJ and Justin were acting on impulse don't get either, IMO. This was a pre-planned, caluculated incident done to generate controversy, and get free pub for them both. Their reputations will not be hurt by this.

The FCC fine is around $28,000 which both entertainers can easily afford. Anyone who thinks Joe Football Fan didn't LOVE the bared breast thing is seriously delusional, regardless of slaps on the wrist in the appropriate places. This so-called controversy is giving both entertainers much more free publicity than an appearance on the Grammy Awards could ever do. And JJ has a new album due in stores soon.

Viacom has already made a pig pile of money on this. They will NOT lose a red cent. They own all the entertainment/media companies that celebrate this sort of stuff. They'll be peddling this Superbowl shit next week on their "100 Most Shocking Moments" shows over on MTV and VH1.

As far as AOL getting their money back goes--oh sure. I'll believe that when I see it. After all, AOL never peddles porn, right? Gimme a break.

I never said George Bush was behind this--you just claimed I did to score debating points.

What I said is this sort of righteous indignation scare is just the sort of mass distraction tactics used by the Republican Right to deflect attention from real, serious news, like the public policy debates it is their duty and responsibility to provide as stewards of our public airwaves. Oh wait--the Republican Right gutted the FCC Fairness Doctrine under Reagan, so they could show this Superbowl shit instead.

The Republican Right got all those "advocacy" ads and public service programs off the air, so the NFL could bring you all that is distracting, including JJ's breast complete with jewelry.

That is just the sort of thing their boys like to see with their football, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:05 PM

Thanks for checking in guest.

I apologize for using the word "impulse". I meant to say just what you did, that the act was planned between Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake and that CBS, MTV and the NFL had no idea of their plan.

As to my attributing your blame of George Bush, I think I misunderstood your statement "which is done to act as subterfuge to things like the Bush budget".

I do agree with you guest in your comments about the FCC and the Republican Right. The fact that Powell wants to waste money investigating this and RE-OPENING up the case with Sting is a real sign that power corrupts.

By the way, I do understand that the anti-smoking ad was also allowed on the Superbowl. I'm sure the tobacco companies weren't happy with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:53 PM

If you want to know where else Viacom can peddle their football porn, have a look-see here at the Columbia Journalism Review's webpage for Viacom, at the "Who Owns What" site:

Who Owns What: Viacom

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:58 PM

Yes Ron, it was all there when we were in school. But now it's at least 10 times worse. (and that's a conservative estimate) Anyone who hasn't been in the schools in the last decade (and being a parent doesn't count...just ask your kids 5 years later what really went on) doesn't have a clue to what is going on in the majority of public (and most private) schools. Many classroom teachers don't even see the reality of what a kid suffers. Usually in extracurricular or out-of-the classroom activities the reality shows through.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 05:08 PM

Great... I read thirty column inches of fulminatious debate and not one damn blue clicky to the tit in question...

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 05:08 PM

Bare Breast for the Democratic primaries...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/kerry1.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 05:54 PM

The majority of abuse suffered by children is in the home. The perpetrators of this abuse are family members. Todays society is a lot more open than thirty years ago. I think this is a good thing, because kids are more likely to have a handle on what is happening and a lot more likely to talk about it.

I don't find a cosmetically enhanced breast offensive. My kids are used to seeing them in all shapes and sizes on the beach every year, it is the norm in Europe.Is topless bathing outlawed in the USA?

I do find beauty pageants where young girls ( and I mean under sixteens) are preened and primped into looking like hookers, extremely distasteful.Some cheerleading can be filed under that heading too. Thankfully not a roaring trade in the UK. I do find porn where women are subjected to degrading themselves, also distateful.Again not a huge UK industry.

Richard and Judy beat Justin and JJ to it anyway, almost.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 06:07 PM

Claymore -

You didn't read the fine print. Look above to:

      From: GUEST,keeping abreast of the issue - PM
      Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:12 PM

      keeping abreast of the issue (link)

Not a particularly attractive pose, but unusually good resolution (300 dpi) for a web pic.

The most legitimate complaint I've noted was probably from the Scot, professional streaker, who was clubbed off the field, and who felt that JJ upstaged him. Nobody noticed his act.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 06:18 PM

Claymore-

The 6th post did provide a blue clicky. You must have been browsing the posts at warp speed to have missed it.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Dani
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 07:37 PM

Breasts aside... for a moment (even yours, Sins)...

What the hell is all the crotch grabbing about? I don't get it. Or is it just as simple as it looks ("hey, look! All this and I've got a penis, too!")

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: harpgirl
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:08 PM

I don't know what the big fuss is about when everyone knows the future will look like this:



http://www.oxfordancestors.com/book_adamscurse.html





We'll do what we want!

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:20 PM

Dani, I've assumed it's like wearing the pants unzipped which my students informed me means, "I'm ready."

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: pdq
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:33 PM

Thank you, GUEST of 4:53, for the link to:

Columbia School of Journalism, " Who Owns What: Viacom"

MTV, CBS, 60 Minutes, Infinity Broadcasting, Simon and Schuster, etc., etc,, etc., all run by the same people???

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 09:03 PM

I'll take her right breast. Mine was removed nearly 15 years ago!
**BG**




W.E.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 09:59 PM

Is it the wrong color?

Witch don't madder to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 10:34 PM

What bothers me is the trash. I think it forcibly manipulates our media and cheapens our society when artless scandal is perpetrated for sensationalism.

I myself wouldnt particularly care if both Timblerlake and Jackerson were topless instead of just artless but I think they put their own fame before the image of the game and their audience CBS either allowed them or aided them. CBS gave them their chance.

I think the theme of nasty sex as entertainment is not appropriate for the venue and it is reprehensible that they could enact this rape then call it a malfunction. Jackson should have been open from the beginning that this was her wish (She now appears to be saying it was part of the act).

Personally I think the government should not try to delineate all the problems with the half time show, of which the Jackson's breast was just one -- they should fine CBS.

According to one web site the FCC has the power to fine up to $27,500 per incident per station. Without splitting hairs I think this should be done and the money given to breast cancer research.

They should kick this into the point where they talk about the money they lost not the flesh they revealed. Make it seem unprofitable to produce such bad TV. Only in the law suites to reclaim some of this money will we ever hear about the real decision for this trash.

I also think it deplorable that the CBS can use its size to scare the FCC. I dont care that 27,500 times the number of their stations might be a big fine. They're big and irresponsible, suck it up.


Breast cancer, women's shelters or some thing that recognises the issue here. Not as a write off, a fine. If CBS complains, open the case and increase the fine.


Sigurd

my .02

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:07 PM

Right on and well said, Sigurd. Your first line should be at the top of a petition that thousands of people could sign and send to the networks and film makers. Good for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Tinker
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:08 AM

Just a quick comment from the boys locker room... I sat down with my high school son and asked him to tell me honestly what the word was at school about Janet Jackson. (Urban Jesuit boys high school) The immediate response was " Well, she had to prove she wasn't Micheal somehow. Her whole opening was lifted from Micheal's act."

Okay so mom wanted a little more so I pushed a little... so is it okay to rip a girls clothes off. " If she hadn't planned it she would've bitch slapped him right off the stage, everyone knows that... She's way tougher than him.."   Yes, we need to talk to our kids, but I think they've learnt more from our example than anything they've seen on TV...

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:37 AM

Well, I think it is a fine breast, and I am glad I got to see it, but I have seen better. In any case it certainly seemed to e consensual exposure, so I dinna think I understand all the kafluffle. Are there people out there who are pretending there were none there?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:30 AM

Guest, your "who owns whom" (a reference book, by the way) is something reference librarians have known for a very long time. Spend some time researching the members of the Boards of Directors of various unrelated companies if you want to see REAL incest.

Of course, no one pays attention to librarians....

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:04 AM

I am appalled by several aspects of this whole thing..What Americans get riled up about and what passes for news in the USA. For God's sake..an overhyped sports match, an oversexed teen nutter, an overexposed Janet Jackson...WHO cares. Is the world so caught up in this phoniess that it has become reality....what is going on here ?

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:59 AM

I'm all for it. Unlike most politicians, at least they made a clean bresat of it before they had to nip it in the bud (so to speak). Like Bob Hope. all I can say is, "Thanks for the mammaries."

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:42 PM

David Letterman said Janet and Justin's little stunt meant that he's "no longer the biggest boob on CBS."

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:49 PM

First, in order to understand what is going on, you need to know who is fueling the controversy. It is the right wing media (Fox and the other cable news outlets like CNBC & MSNBC) that is keeping the thing going.

Initially, there was a question of CBS having violated FCC rules about indecency (not obscenity, which is a different broadcast standard) by allowing the broadcast of the incident, regardless of who was at fault. FCC rules require the "free" networks to conform to public decency standards that the cable "pay tv" channels do not have to conform to (though your local right wing nuts would dearly love to see changed).

So the groups that have been all over the news this week are the Traditional Values Coalition (right wing nuts) and some other group, also of right wing nuts, and the FCC, CBS, and the NFL.

Yes, the double standard of Nelly (one of the other half-time performers) grabbing his crotch vs JJ & Justin exposing JJ's breast is pretty obvious, but frankly, I'd rather live with little FCC regulation of cable, rather than having cable held to the standards of NBC, CBS, ABC & PBS. We would have even more censorship. People just need to turn off the stuff they don't want to watch, just like they need to not check books out of the library that offend them, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:11 PM

GUEST who asked about topless bathing in the US - it is generally not accepted in public unless you are at a nudist resort. It will probably get you arrested for indecent exposure.

I have always wondered about that, though... I never considered that breasts were "indecent." Well, not most of them anyway.............

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:33 PM

there are a 'few' places where topless is ok, but not many (it used to be accepted at a public swimming pool in Austin, Texas)...it is a silly relic of "our Puritan forefathers"

The 'dance'and show that preceeded the unveiling was FAR worse than than the view itself..

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: open mike
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:49 PM

there are many places where "skinny dipping" (or chunky dunking as the case may be) are the norm rather than the exception...mostly at more
remote "bodies" of water. Usually not at "developed" public swimming places--more likely at "wild" swimming holes with no amenities/facilities and hot springs are usually "clothing optional" too.

Subject: Nudity and Obscenity
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:55 PM

Ontario went through an interesting court case where a bare chested woman was arrested for indecent exposure or some such. She won and it was, rightly argued, that a pair of boobs aren't obscene.

Most of the time I think 'decency' laws are obscene especially if they interfere with feeding babies. I think the whole media control of women is obscene.

If you want to go naked, you want to go naked. You are not advertising yourself for sex. I think nudity would be a lot more healthy if there was more of it.


"Who needs a hobby like tennis or Philately,
I've got a hobby, re-reading Lady Chaterly...."

                               T. Lehrer

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM

Thanks for the replies, explains the hysteria over a breast.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 05:30 PM

Going topless is legal for women in Ontario now. Has been for a few years. Contrary to tight-ass fears (and leerer's hopes), there hasn't been a rush of women to bare all north of the waist yet. Sightings of the well-aired tit in the wild are still pretty rare. The professionals have nothing to fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:54 PM

O.K. I've got a few problems here!

First How can you blame The NFL for this bullshit when it was obviously a stunt that Janet And Justin did at the last minute? Was it Crazy for them to ask MTV to handle the Music? Or should they have known that, Janet A relitively tame preformer and Justin (wasn't he a backstreet boy?) a kid, that they would use this as a venue for crass promo for JANETS NEW RECORD? They had her brother the baby dangling, child molesting, try to look like a white woman, freak on a few years ago and he behaved!

Second I'm sick of the people here talking about Football and its fans like they are all no-neck barbarians that destroy nature as some pious catter put it!

If you don't get it Fine don't watch it but don't give me this Im a better person than you cause it's beneath me shit!

The minute someone puts up a book thread Its the same sports bashing pompus jerks that get into a pissing contest over whos read the most obscure and intelectual novels You don't see us sports fans making fun of your need to try to impress one another with your bragging about "I've read this, and you gotta try that!

Let me let you in on a little secret. A lot of people watched the superbowl cause they like football and you are insalting quite a few people with your PIOUS I'm better than you shit!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:05 PM

Cluin   says:
      
"Going topless is legal for women in Ontario now. Has been for a few years. Contrary to tight-ass fears (and leerer's hopes), there hasn't been a rush of women to bare all north of the waist yet. Sightings of the well-aired tit in the wild are still pretty rare. The professionals have nothing to fear."

Well hell yes but remember it ain't modesty that's keepin' 'em closed above the waist - its cuz its too damn cold up thataway!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:15 PM

Time to check in on this.

Oh the outrage! Oh how offensive! Quick cover your children's eyes.

Meanwhile no one cares when their kid sees a commercial for Viagra.

"Mommy, what's Viagra for?"

"It's nothing, sweetheart. Just medicine so a man can get a boner."

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:14 PM

Chill Raptor, it's only football.

I love sports, particularly baseball. I can't stand football for many reasons but that is my own opinions. I'm sure you have sports you can't stand. Nobody is being pious and thinking we are holy than thou.

People are blaming the NFL because they saw the rehearsals and knew what the general tone of the performance was. The NFL official came out and said that there elements other than Janet's boob that bothered them. Talk about being pious!   They hire MTV to produce the show AND they approve of the performers AND they watch the rehearsals, and then they have the audacity to complain about the content of the whole halftime show? Sounds like somebody was playing without a helmet.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:20 PM

Right on, Ron!! LOL!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:36 AM

Ron, Reread these posts! You might see what I mean(you might not). Some of the posts are insulting!
"its Just football"

"Playing without a helmet"

You seem to think putting on a superbowl is so easy that you have time to check out all the rehursals. But you also claim that you have insider information that MTV had no idea that this was gonna happen.
MTV the same crew that brought us these shock value videos in the frist place, The same MTV that had no problem showing us Lil'Kims breast and had no problem with Howard Stearn's Fartman skit!
MTV are the one's that show the crotch grabbing all the time.

If you think that JJand JT rehursed this crap and people knew it was going to happen than you should check any of the hundreds of news stories now out there about the incident to get your facts straight!

One Thing is true that Crap is not acceptable, not that it is a womans breast, But that is is O.K. to rip off the clothes of any one you want to see naked!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:42 AM

By the way did you know that since the incident Janet claimed herself that she staged the whole thing and she didn't claim the NFL put her up to it?

That might suprise you.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:01 AM

The NFL and the advertisers bought and paid for the halftime show. They knew exactly what they were getting, even if they didn't know the specifics of the bodice ripping part--the pre-game hype advertising promised "shocking moments". JJ delivered. The controversy is good for ratings, which is good for advertisers, and good for the NFL.

No one is in trouble for this. In fact, the execs will probably get bonuses and an exotic tropical vacation for all the free media this bought them a week after a game that normally would be totally ignored by now, and pushed aside by other news.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:28 AM

Raptor, when and where did I ever say the NFL put Janet Jackson up to it????    I did indeed know that Janet Jackson admitted it, and I commented on it. Also, I NEVER said that people knew about the stunt, other than JJ & JT. Please read more carefully and stop putting words in people's mouths.

NFL executives were at the rehearsals and saw the general tone of the performances. After the incident, they complained not only about Janet's boob, but they also complained about other elements of the half-time show and said MTV would probably not be asked back.   The MTV idea for the half-time show was presented to the NFL as a proposal, and then the NFL hired them to put it on. In the weeks leading up to the event there were numerous rehearsals and the NFL was indeed present.   For them to come back and say they did not want that show is pure BS.

Additionally, I'm sorry if you are thin skinned about some ribbing about football. Yes, it is indeed "only football". If it can't stand up to criticism, then it is also not a real sport. One step away from professional wrestling in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Don Hakman
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM

There was no bad taste as far as popular MTV culture goes.

HOWEVER

If Justin had tried to taste that metal clad nipple and
got his tongue piercing stuck in the sun rays of the nipple ring...
Now that would have been a show stopper.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 11:40 AM

And hell of a gob stopper.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 04:45 PM

The only equivilent of gob stopper in the US is a gag.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM

In the interest of capitalizing on bad taste I'm gonna suggest to my sea shanty band that we add this new verse to the old forebitter "All for Me Grog":

Where is me shirt,
Me nobbie, nobbie shirt,
It's all gone for beer and tobacco!
For it's really plain to see
Since I've been on MTV
That me breast is hanging out for better weather!

We're sure to become filthy rich!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:03 PM

Ron do you read what you write?

You Said that you" NEVER said that people knew about the stunt other than JJ and JT"

And in the same post you say that "NFL Executives were at rehursals and KNEW what they were getting"

Make up your mind I didn't put those words in your mouth!

I'll spell it out for you I didn't say that you said that the NFL put Janet up to it. You Blame the NFL. Unless they put her up to it How can you blame them?

Now I find out that you were there, Wait before you say I'm putting words in your mouth about being there didn' you say that you knew that Exectutives were at rehursals? How could you possibly know Who was there and what they saw if you weren't there yourself?

And finally I don't give a shit if you like football I'm pretty sure you don't and I think that I can guess why you don't.

I just thought you would consider the difference between saying " I don't like football" And "I think that football is for morons"

Once again I do not mean to put words in your mouth I thought you would care enough about how the words you choose make you sound

Thats where I get PIOUS and Pompus.

Raptor