BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:21 PM

Your last two posts are unconnected in the rational mind, bobad the double agent. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 05:52 PM

😂 😂 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 04:36 AM

Steve,

Give me any quote from any LABOUR OFFICIAL that she was suspended FOR ANTISEMITIC STATEMENTS.

Certainly Steve,
Guardian 27th April,
"Even after the prime minister said it was "extraordinary," that she continued to hold the Labour whip, and accused the Labour leader of failing to get to grips with antisemitisim in his party, Corbyn's aides defended Shah, saying the comments were antisemitic but the MP had "shocked herself," and did not mean what she said."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/27/naz-shah-suspended-labour-party-antisemitism-row

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 06:28 AM

Old news that was dealt with promptly by the Labour Party, not brushed under the carpet as other party's are wont to do.

It has also been covered here .............. ad nauseam.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 08:41 AM

Yes Rag, but Steve has shown again that he cannot recognise antisemitism when it is put in front of him.

It is his judgement on it that can be dismissed, and not those of Jews and non-Jews who have worked for the Party for most or all of their adult lives and who speak from actual experience and knowledge, unlike him.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 08:52 AM

That's OK Professor - you cannot recognise fact when it is put in front of you. So I guess you're even.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 09:06 AM

Sorry Keith, but your link clearly shows that she was not suspended for antisemitism. She was suspended PENDING INVESTIGATION. More later.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

Sorry Keith, but your link clearly shows that she was not suspended for antisemitism.

It clearly shows that she was!
Corbyn and his aides accepted that her comments were antisemitic and she herself admitted it, so of course she had to be suspended for it.

The "investigation" was not into whether she had made antisemitic comments.
That was already established.
They just had to decide what to do with her.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 12:29 PM

You really haven't got a clue, have you? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 01:22 PM

Professor, I think you should be suspended from this forum for your abject racism, your bigotry and basically for being a very unpleasant person.

"Christian" I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 01:40 PM

What about the anti-Semites, Raggy?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 02:25 PM

Bobad, As I've already said to the professor if you can find just one one post of mine that is racist or anti-Semitic I will not only apologise profusely but I will withdraw from any further comment on this thread.



I wish the same could be said of other contributors.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 04:40 PM

.....if you can find just one one post of mine that is racist or anti-Semitic

Of course, when you and your pals make up your own definitions.............

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 05:28 PM

It's interesting, isn't it. If I told Keith that Naz Shah was an avid supporter of Jeremy, was an avid supporter of Hamas, was an avid supporter of Remain, was an avid supporter of boycotting Israeli goods, was an avid supporter of reinstating the rights of disabled people that the Tories have removed, was an avid supporter of ending austerity, etc. etc. (all true), he'd be calling her, variously, a liar, deluded, bigoted, antisemitic, a terrorist apologist, far left, etc. etc. Yet when she says something a little contritional, she is oh so truthful that we have to hang on her every word as gospel. Naz says, under considerable pressure, that she's said something antisemitic (I heartily disagree with her, but hey ho), so she's spot on. Dead right. Not to be argued with. But on everything else she says she's a scurrilous lying little leftie bastard. Typical of the Murdoch-driven extreme right represented by Keith and his sorry ilk that they try to have their cake, full of picked cherries, and eat it. Well you're really easy to see through, Keith. And you lied about her and you're still lying about her. Her suspension was mutually agreed pending investigation. Not for any other reason. Then she was rapidly reinstated. I know you don't like it. I know it doesn't suit your weak and flaccid case. But that's the truth. And I'll tell you another thing. I'm a member of a party that is replete with supporters of Israel. The are dozens of times more of them than there are alleged antisemites. They even have their own official lobby group within the party (nowhere near as nasty as the one in the Tory party, but I still don't much care for it). It doesn't matter to me. I understand arguments that sympathise with all the people of Israel. I'm not affiliating myself to any setup or any individual who wants Israel wiped off the map. I actually want far more for Israeli people than you do. I do not want Israeli people put in harm's way, unlike you, bobad and Bibi.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 06:25 PM

Of course, when you and your pals make up your own definitions.............

Unlike you, Bubo, who make up your own "facts".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 07:04 PM

Greg, they also adopt definitions that fit their political agenda. Keith will tell you that the discarded (in 2013) and discredited "working definition" of antisemitism, never advocated by the EU for adoption BY ANYONE, drawn up by an EUMC that has now been defunct for NINE YEARS, pushed for fervently by an advisory board that represented almost exclusively Jewish/Israeli interests, is the one to go for. Not because he thinks it's a fair definition, but because its a definition that proscribes all criticism of the actions of the state of Israel, poor old Israel that needs Keith "to put their side of the story" contrary to all the facts at our disposal. Stuff that criticises the excesses of a state that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATING JEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. Keith and booboo haven't a clue what real, vicious antisemitism is, the kind that put six million innocent people in lethal jeopardy and which those two still employ in order to continue to put ordinary Jewish people in harm's way. Thank God for the Jews of this world that they have no power or influence is all I can say. If only they knew what they are doing. Keith and bobad and their ilk are the mortal enemies of Jewish people the world over. It's bloody shocking the way they behave here, it is.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 07:12 PM

To be clear, thank God for the Jews of this world that people like Keith and bobad have no power is what I meant.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:49 AM

Steve Shaw - 19 Aug 16 - 11:29 AM

"If you deplore bullying and intimidation in the Tory party, then let's see you expend as many words on it now as you have on Labour's"

What is the subject of this thread again? And here we have somebody seemingly complaining about the amount of attention being focused on Labour. Why don't you open a similar thread on the Tory Party Shaw?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 02:02 AM

"people who feel sorry for ordinary Israelis whose leaders and allies are imposing insecurity on them." - Steve Shaw

Would dearly love an explanation of that claptrap.

Would those be the same "leaders" who saw to the organisation of the defence, security, well-being and prosperity of their people in:

1920 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1921 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1929 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1936 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1948 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1950s - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1967 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1973 - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1980s - when they were attacked by the Arabs
1990s - when they were attacked by the Arabs
2000s - when they were attacked by the Arabs
2010s - when they were attacked by the Arabs

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 02:14 AM

Greg F. - 21 Aug 16 - 01:55 PM

Good heavens Greg F. must have read the Balen Report - Lucky boy!!! Nobody else got to.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 04:09 AM

Steve,
Naz says, under considerable pressure, that she's said something antisemitic (I heartily disagree with her, but hey ho), so she's spot on

She said it under no pressure, after she had been reinstated.
You disagree not only with her, but also the Prime Minister and Corbyn himself that IT WAS ANTISEMITIC.

You show yourself as unable to recognise antisemitism.

Rag, you stated the view that being unable to recognise racism is racist.
Do you regard antisemitism as racism, or do you still have a double standard on that?
"A different argument" you said.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 04:16 AM

Keith will tell you that the discarded (in 2013) and discredited "working definition" of antisemitism, never advocated by the EU for adoption BY ANYONE, drawn up by an EUMC that has now been defunct for NINE YEARS

Keith will tell you that those definitions are adopted by the "European Parliament Working Group On Antisemitism," are published on their website today, and have been adopted even beyond EU.
http://www.antisem.eu/projects/eumc-working-definition-of-antisemitism/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 05:36 AM

I don't show myself as anything professor because I haven't commented on it. Contrary to your belief you are not entitled to anything.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 05:38 AM

Not an official EU organisation. The advisory board consists of pro-Israel lobby groups. It is not the EUMC as you keep implying. You cling to this like a dried turd pellet to an arse hair. Turn the record over. Anyone can say they've adopted anything they like, but the TRUTH is that the EU NEVER adopted the definition and NEVER advocated that ANYONE ELSE took it up.

And I don't give a shit what the ex-prime minister thinks, the man who lets dead pigs fellate him. Show me where Corbyn has said "Naz Shah is antisemitic." You really can't wring any more out of this one, Keith. She's apologised for her stupidity and ignorance. If she thinks what she said was antisemitic I think she is wrong. I've been over her relevant remarks and shown that she said nothing that attacked Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. It's over, Keith. Only desperadoes like you and bobad and the Daily Mail keep burbling on about it.

The thread is about what people post in it, Teribus. Only people like Keith whose arguments are going belly-up moan about thread drift below the line. And let's have your comparative Israeli/"Arab" casualty figures for, say, the period since the '67 war. Don't forget to include the Gazan women and children and the massacred refugees in Lebanon, old chap.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 09:17 AM

Show me where Corbyn has said "Naz Shah is antisemitic."

He said her comments were antisemitic, and she was suspended for them.

She's apologised for her stupidity and ignorance

She apologised specifically for making antisemitic statements.

Not an official EU organisation.

The EUMC definitions are adopted by the "European Parliament Working Group On Antisemitism," are published on their website today and have been for years, and have been adopted even beyond EU.
http://www.antisem.eu/projects/eumc-working-definition-of-antisemitism/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 09:29 AM

" let's have your comparative Israeli/"Arab" casualty figures" - Steve Shaw

In 1947 as the Great Britain's League of Nations Mandate was coming to an end, the UN offered the Jews of Palestine and the Arabs of Palestine a Two-State solution, the former were prepared to accept it, the latter refused and opted to go to war. Chose violence and you must accept the consequences - their aim at the time, clearly stated was that they were going to drive the Jews of Palestine into the sea - in short Shaw they were promising annihilation.

Chose violence as the Leaders of the Palestinian Arabs have done and attack a sovereign state then accept that they will retaliate and they may well be far better at retaliating than you are at attacking and that is what has proved to be the case over the past 68 years.

Second World War:

British Civilian Casualty figures - 67,200
German Civilian Casualty figures - 1,550,000 to 2,950,000

They seem a bit disproportionate to you Shaw? War is not a game, it is not subject to equivalence.

The Israeli's unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005, since then {Having been given everything they said they wanted} over 15,000 missiles of some sort or another have been launched from Gaza and fired into Israel, indiscriminately targeting Israeli civilians. If you are fussed about civilians being killed in Gaza Shaw get Corbyn to have a word with his Hamas mates and tell them to stop all attacks on Israel and just in case they for some reason or another cannot do that then tell them that if they want to fight then have them stop hiding behind civilians when they do it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

But as Shaw did ask

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967 (For some reason Shaw has cherry-picked this start point):

Israeli Deaths - 7,661
Israeli Wounded - 19,334

Arab Deaths - 74,840
Arab Wounded - 59,011

Do you want to move the goal posts Shaw?

Since 1920 the figures are as follows:

Jewish/Israeli Deaths - 24,969
Jewish/Israeli Wounded - 36,260

Arab Deaths - 91,105
Arab Wounded - 78,038

Considering the number of occasions where having been offered peace the Arabs of the region have chosen war then those figures are not disproportionate at all.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 09:54 AM

Rag,
I don't show myself as anything professor because I haven't commented on it. Contrary to your belief you are not entitled to anything.

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 10:16 AM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967

Source?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 10:19 AM

Well you know me. I just LURVE to cherrypick. So how's about starting in 2000... By the way, you have no proof that Hamas used human shields, except for "they're Islamists and what more do you need..." 😂

You hope that repeating the same nonsense will make it true, Keith. Well life's not like that. A definition that was never official, never advocated, never EU policy, ditched in 2013, drawn up by an unofficial committee that was "advised" by bodies that almost entirely comprised pro-Israel lobbyists. I do know how dearly you want to cling on to it like a teddy or a comfort blanket. But it ain't real, Keith, and never was. Nurse will explain it to you later...

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 11:35 AM

"you have no proof that Hamas used human shields"

I don't need any when Hamas spokesmen themselves go on Television and admit that they do.

From Channel 4 Fact Check:

"Hamas has made no secret of advocating the use of civilians as human shields to try to face down Israeli aggression.

A senior spokesman for the group, Sami Abu Zuhri, gave an interview on Palestinian station al-Aqsa TV earlier this month."

The date was July 8, 2014 and the television channel was owned by Hamas so hardly any bias eh Shaw?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 11:46 AM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967

Source?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 12:29 PM

Read the article to the bottom, Teribus, instead of snatching the first few lines. The evidence is simply not good enough, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 12:59 PM

Steve,
A definition that was never official,
Yes it was.
never advocated,
It certainly was.
never EU policy,

Obviously. It is definitions of antisemitism, not a policy document.

ditched in 2013,

Still there now.

drawn up by an unofficial committee that was "advised" by bodies that almost entirely comprised pro-Israel lobbyists.

More "Steve Wild Assertions that he can not substantiate with any facts.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:13 PM

Greg F. - 23 Aug 16 - 11:46 AM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures - Look them up for yourself as I did and post them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:17 PM

While you're about that Greg F. how about posting a reference or a link to that Palestinian Authority/Hamas/Fatah/Hezbollah Map that shows the borders of this Two-State Solution they keep telling the UN they are fighting for.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 02:28 PM

Nyah nyah nyah, Keith. Old ground upon which you have been comprehensively destroyed over and over again. Anyone who wants the truth can easily find the facts about your definition that never made it over the line and about your unofficial quasi-quango ("advised" by pro-Israel lobby groups and hardly anyone else) that decided it was going to cling to it despite its being trashed years ago by the EU. It's all in this thread. Teribus, with his lust for facts, would never support you on this. Even he wouldn't want to make such a bloody fool of himself. A bit of googling and a couple of clicks is all it takes.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 06:15 PM

Look them up for yourself as I did and post them

By which you mean to say that you pulled those "statistics" out of your arse & can't substantiate them.

Thanks for the clarification. And again, no surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:46 AM

And you Greg F. have proved conclusively that you are a idle, moronic Troll, incapable of finding anything out for yourself - "Thanks for the clarification". And CERTAINLY, no surprise, to me

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 03:13 AM

Nyah nyah nyah, Keith

I can not argue against such logic.
I do not know why you chose to bring up the subject, but understand why you are dropping it.
It was irrelevant to the case I was making.

You still deny that anrisemitism was and is a problem within the Left of the Party.
You deny Shah's antisemitic statements even though she was suspended for them, and Corbyn and Shah herself fully acknowledged that they were antisemitic.

You are incapable of recognising antisemitism when it is put in front of you.

I am offline for a few days.
Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 03:53 AM

Parting thought,
Labour's NEC suspended Shah for her antisemitic comments, endorsed by Corbyn and Shah herself, but to you they were not antisemitic.

Perhaps Labour has adopted the EUMC definitions that you still deny.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 07:23 AM

The EUMC has not existed for the last nine years. The "working definition" was OFFICIALLY ditched by its successor organisation in 2013, having NEVER been either adopted nor endorsed in any case. This is the inviolable truth of the matter that anyone can look up in five minutes. Of course, anyone can say they've "adopted" a defunct document. Christians do it all the time. You really are barking mad.

Naz Shah was put under mutually-agreed administrative supension pending investigation, then reinstated. The inviolable truth that anyone can look up in less than five minutes. Everything else is loose comment, opinion, bigging up by the pro-Israeli regime right wing (including you) and hearsay. I've seen many a box of frogs less mad than you. In the overall planetary scheme of things, Naz Shah was a storm in a teacup. Note "was." It's gone, Keith. Gone. Dead. You've nailed it to its perch to no avail. The issue has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-issue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 10:31 AM

London's Muslim Mayor Barraged by Anti-Semites for Opposing Jeremy Corbyn

(JTA) — London Mayor Sadiq Khan, the first Muslim mayor of a European capital city, has been bombarded with anti-Semitic messages since he said he would not support Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party leadership election.

Several of the messages suggested that he had been influenced by Jews, the London-based news website Jewishnews.uk reported.

The mayor "spends his time writing articles to help his masters in Tel Aviv," read one tweet.

"Who owns you @sadiqkhan?" read another, which included a photo of Khan wearing a kippah while eating matzah at a Jewish community event.

Last week, Khan threw his support behind Owen Smith, who has been a Parliament member since 2010 and is Corbyn's only challenger for the party leadership. Smith previously worked as a radio and television producer for the BBC.

Khan, a Labour member, wrote an op-ed published Saturday in The Guardian newspaper in support of Smith. He said in the London-based daily that if Corbyn remained party leader, Labour would be unlikely to win the next general election. Khan also said Corbyn "has already proved that he is unable to organize an effective team, and has failed to win the trust and respect of the British people."

In a June op-ed in The Jerusalem Post, Kahn pledged to root out anti-Semitism in London and in the Labour Party.

Some 500,000 ballots for the leadership race were sent out to party members on Monday; the results will be announced next month.

JTA

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

Well,Bubo, That's the wonder of Anti-Social Media- in a nanosecond, cranks,assholes, morons, and idiots can spew (or rather tweet/twat) and distribute their garbage to a world-wide audience.

However, what have this current crop of assholes got to do with anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:26 PM

Cor, bobad, if only I were a conspiracy theorist... 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 07:47 PM

Greg F. - 24 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

Hey Greg F., see your internet research skills as still lacking as ever. C'mon sunshine give us "your" Arab/Israeli casualty figures dead/wounded for the period covering 1967 to the present day like your pal Steve Shaw requested.

Best not hold our breath though eh?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 08:42 PM

Er, the figures wouldn't exactly help your case, would they, Teribus? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 04:31 AM

Don't know about that Shaw, remember I have already posted the figures you requested plus the ones going back to 1920 and they were not really as disproportionate as you and your pals like to make out.

But there again you and your pals think that there is, or should be, some sort of "tit-for-tat" equivalence when it comes to war - simply put there isn't. Since 1920 the Arabs of the region have chosen armed conflict as their way of solving what they see as the Jewish problem. It is most certainly NOT the fault of the Jews of the region and latterly of Israel that they simply happen to be a damned sight better at armed conflict than their Arab antagonists - perhaps it may have had something to do with motivation, the Israelis know with absolute certainty what their fate would be should they ever lose, so they make sure that they don't.

When the Ottoman Empire was broken up there were two multi-cultural secular enclaves created where religious tolerance would be the norm - Lebanon and Palestine - to make the latter 77% of the original Palestine Mandate was hived off and given to the Arabs of the region for their sole settlement. That however wasn't good enough they wanted the lot. Lebanon has all but vanished as haven of tolerance it was supposed to be and is now an armed camp where various militias watch each other like hawks, only Israel remains as a democratic, secular, multi-faith and multi-cultural country surrounded by those who wish to destroy it.

As Greg F. doesn't seem able to produce the figures Shaw maybe you could have a go at it? And you never know maybe you could provide a link to show the Hamas Map of this Two-State Solution that they claim to be fighting for. But as both you and I know Shaw - no such map exists - and you are not honest enough to acknowledge that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:45 AM

Shaw is a member of a party that counts Hamas among it's friends.........enough said.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:57 AM

I have already posted the figures you requested

Figures which you can't substantiate, Mr. T

And another misrepresentation from Bubo.

Different day, same shite.