BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 12 - 04:08 PM

Those are purely honorary and ceremonial titles. He'd get short shrift if he tried to issue orders. Militarily he holds only such reserve rank as he may have earned in service.

The level of ignorance in some of these responses is abysmal.

Don T.

Well if they're purely honorary and ceremonial, Don, why haven't you or I got one! So next time they show up at the Cenotaph, laden with a coupla kilos of dodgy gongs on their chests, are you going to tell us again what brave and mighty warriors they all are?

Abysmal isn't a level. It's a big hole. Cue next insult from owld Don...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 05:40 AM

""Well if they're purely honorary and ceremonial, Don, why haven't you or I got one!""

Because neither of us is heir to the throne, with the responsibility of carrying out hundreds of public engagements.

Given the job description I'd rather have my life than his, especially as he only has the life his duties allow.

He didn't choose the family he was born into, and since his birth he has been trained for a role not of his choice either.

If you didn't want to follow your parents into the family business, you didn't have to.

Not so with him. Constitutionally he cannot resign.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 06:04 AM

he only has the life his duties allow.

Not so. He spends, like the rest of the royals, months in every year out of public view on vast estates, luxury yachts or private tropical islands, huntin', shootin', fishin' and shaggin'. He doesn't get there courtesy of Ryanair either. Blinkers off!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 02:40 PM

"shaggin'" ?

Does he take Viagra?
Haven't seen anything in the tabloids. Nor any papparazzi photos. If you have a story, let's see it.

What libelous nonsense !

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 03:12 PM

Hellooo? Considering he once declared that he would rather like to be a tampon within the confines of his good wife's, er, fundamentosus frontalis, I hardly think we need consider that he spends his holidays in a state of celibacy. However, you're right. I have no evidence. Just a hunch. And it isn't a sin, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:29 AM

The 'tampon' conversation was entirely private and was published as the result of an eavesdropper. Even to allude to it is ungentlemanly. Can't people's private lives remain so, without folk speculating about whether one is 'shagging' or with whom?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Musket
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 01:30 PM

Haven't been on this thread for a while.

Steve Shaw answered one of my questions by differentiating between tax payers and capitalists.

I'm a capitalist. That means I can become a tax payer which allows me to help fund a social program. Or for that matter, I'm a socialist who realises you need capitalism in order to fund socialist style infrastructure in the first place. I used to call it Labour, but the world is a funny old place.

Even The USSR sold us Lada cars and Zenith cameras....

So there isn't much difference really, except perhaps the lack of a chip on my shoulder.

Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 01:36 PM

Their problem is that once everything they claim about the cost/benefit downside of the monarchy has been proved to be absolute nonsense, they have no other choice than to fall back on eavesdropping, rumour and downright lies.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:40 PM

Come on now, Eliza. Celebs' private lives are open season. We make them as rich as Croesus and all they have to do in return is be bloody careful as to what they say in front of whom. I think it's quite healthy that we can find out what these paragons are really like (unless you want to think that all kings, queens, princes and princesses lead fairy storybook lives and you don't want the bubble pricked). And let me just ask you this. What is more ungentlemanly, his declaring that he wants to be a tampon in his wife's, er, wellyouknow, or me just mentioning the unsavoury fact, when it's has been in the public domain anyway for many a long year? Regard it not so much as ungentlemanly but more as a corrective to the outpouring of gushing sycophancy that infests this thread.

As for you, Don, you appear to think that the more you call people who disagree with you liars, the more it makes them liars. Poor chap. Turn the record over.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:42 PM

"it has" innit

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:35 AM

So, Steve, you believe that it's fine for private telephone conversations to be tapped and the contents published? I don't care if it's Jack the Ripper on his phone, he still has the right to privacy. And Charles (or any of the Royal Family) is not a 'celebrity', there is a difference. Sycophancy? That's your opinion, to which you also have every right. But as for me, I just subscribe to the traditions of a millennium, and happen to like the continuity they provide. I feel they add to the stability of the nation. That's my opinion, to which I too have a right.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:38 AM

"Well if they're purely honorary and ceremonial, Don, why haven't you or I got one!"

I thought Don was The Firth of Forth?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:51 AM

And every time Australia ask the people if they want to get rid, they reckon she is far better than someone who actually wants the job.

Many science fiction authors, Arthur C Clarke springs to mind as one, imagine a system where either you get to run the world for a time, in the same way as jury service, or in more sci fi fashion, peoples' brains are probed and the person who least wants to be King gets the crown, like it or lump it.

Funny thing democracy if you don't believe in it. Whilst ever the majority want the status quo, Steve's comments (and others, but Steve is posting most at present) are just an opinion, not a statement of what is "wrong." it can't be wrong whilst ever people wave their flags. Or at least, whilst at least 51% do...

Me? I'm a happy democrat. (Not a Liberal democrat, but a happy democrat. In some ways I would love to be a Liberal Democrat. After all, my back gives me gip and if I joined them, I wouldn't have a backbone to give me trouble in the first place.)

That close to satire.......

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 01:30 PM

I can't think of anything more undemocratic than an heriditary monarchy that represents the worst of privilege and costs the country a fortune. Just because people want it doesn't alter the fact that it is an intrinsically extremely undemocratic institution. Gladiators, bullfighting and public hangings have been just as popular in their time. And bingo.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 01:37 PM

I can't think of anything more hideous than an anti-monarchist.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:15 PM

You haven't seen me with no shirt on.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:14 PM

""I can't think of anything more undemocratic than an heriditary monarchy that represents the worst of privilege and costs the country a fortune.""

How many times do you think you'll need to re-hash that proven lie, before it becomes truth?

And a constitutional monarch does give a democracy an internaional voice devoid of political bias. I'll take that any day, rather than President Blair.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:30 PM

No political bias? Ha! That's rich. The royals are not only solidly right-wing but they represent everything that is traditionally hard-right in British society: unelected, privilege-ridden in every sense of the word, inherited wealth, descent from vicious land-grabbers - you name it! Bet they don't vote Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 10:21 AM

""Bet they don't vote Labour.""

Now you are showing your ignorance.

The monarch doesn't vote. She is above and outside of the political process, and by long established tradition doesn't take sides.

Her thoughts are her own, however, if you feel competent as a mind reader.

But she never expresses an opinion.

I believe I am right in saying that those in line for the succession don't vote either.

So whoever they might favour in their thoughts, they have no influence on events, and get this straight in that ball of wool between your ears. They DO NOT cost the country a fortune, in fact the reverse.

The financial facts are a matter of public record, and indisputable.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 10:34 AM



A comment which betrays an unsurprising lack of wit and imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 11:58 AM

I am going to a talk given by a Conservative MP this evening and I shall enjoy heckling any raving lefties who spout their usual rubbish!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,SFJ
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 12:45 PM

Try having a pint and chat with them instead. No need to be nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 03:25 PM

hello again, comrades -still we bicker, on round and round the usual circles and no progress. i am not going to a talk given by a conservative mp this evening, i am heading up the pub. i may -hopefully-exchange opinions with some folk i don't wholly agree with (though i can honestly say i have had less than a dozen conversations with people claiming to be conservatives (and this includes new labour types) since 1979-maybe i'm just lucky to have lived in the north and scotland in that time) i hope i can treat their opinions with respect and have a laugh while enjoying a few pints of jennings and playing scrabble. for those tories among you -boko?- can i ask again-assuming you aren't wealthy or royalty-why? didn't go to eton? not one of their 'set? the bullingdon boys do despise you, you know and will take away everything you rely on to keep our society decent if we let them.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 05:32 PM

I rather imagine that if Prince Charles has any political preferences they'd be for the Greens rather than the Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 05:57 PM

He gets a damn sight more from being an arch-capitalist arch-landlord than he does from his organic veggies, so I doubt it!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 06:41 PM

Wouldn't "feudal" be a more accurate term for his role as arch-landlord, ratgher than "capitalist"?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:13 AM

The first ever Labour PM and the King.
MacDonald wrote in his diary: "King most friendly and expressed thanks and confidence. I then reported situation and at end I told him that after tonight I might be of no further use, and should resign with the whole Cabinet.... He said that he believed I was the only person who could carry the country through."