BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:03 AM

Gurney yev no got the idea at all ye get someone tae pour the stuff in the top while you lie down comfortably underneath and swallow. Rapidly if you dont want to drown.

of course if you are really posh you fit a plastic pipe to the bottom of the pot :)

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From: MBSLynne
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:00 AM

Lol!

You're right about glazes, though I believe that a pottery glaze, though it may contain lead, is a lot harder, or more stable or something, than pewter so with less chance of the lead being leached into the drink. I don't think modern pottery glazes do contain lead do they?

I think we need some input from Micca here. As a chemist, he should know about these things.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Gurney
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:21 AM

Some pottery is also dangerous for acidic drinks. Or rather, poor glaze can be leached of poisons. There's lead in some glazes, too.
Buy your pottery drinking vessels from a reputable maker.

I bought a plant-pot which seemed to be glazed, but the thing was varnished!




No, I didn't try to drink from it. I can't drink faster than the hole at the bottom leaks. Before anyone asks.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 01:01 PM

As far as I know, modern pewter is fine for everything but cider. While the other drinks are a bit acidic, cider is VERY acid. It's probably why it disagrees with some people's insides.

Love Lynne

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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 11:05 AM

Makes you wonder about those poor old lead miners - btreathing in that crap all the time.

is pewter dangerous for every drink then, they must all be a bit acidic?

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 07:20 AM

Yes, drinking cider from pewter is a no-no. Even modern pewter, which I believe contains antimony rather than lead, is still dodgy. Antimony is still poisonous but harder so doesn't generally leach into the drink as much as lead but because cider is so acidic it will dissolve some of the antimony. That's what I'm told anyway.

In my earlier cider drinking days I had an old pewter tankard that I'd bought at a second hand shop. I was at Sidmouth, where my consumption of cider over the week (in my young, free and single days) I once worked out to be something like six gallons. On about the third or fourth day I went down into town and was complaining in the pub that my head felt dizzy and my fingers and toes were tingling. someone said "What are you drinking in that tankard?" I said "Scrumpy" and he or she said "You've got lead poisoning!" I gave up the tankard immediately and the symptoms went away. Now I always drink it out of pottery tankards or glasses.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Gurney
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:34 AM

....She had a little line across the bridge of her nose.
She said "That line you're looking at,
was caused by glasses, my dear."
I said "Why don't you use contact lenses?"
She said "They don't hold enough beer!"

Part verse from a Benny Hill song.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:19 AM

Drinking cider from a pewter tankard can be a VERY bad idea if it is old pewter containing lead.

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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:04 AM

When I was about 18 (late 1960's) I used to go in this pub in Exmouth where cider was on draught at 1/2d a pint (bitter was 1/3d).

This old guy came in with a cherry red face - I bet he was about my age now.

I asked my mates, why is his face like that?
Oh that's the cider does that, they said.

I wonder if they were right. You just accept things when you're a kid.

That cider was bloody powerful stuff. The local saying was that no one could be held accountable after two pints of the stuff

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:12 AM

Not surprised your grandfather was blind on 12 gallons of cider a week!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: GUEST,apple of your eye
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:11 AM

And you're worried about your old mum and her failing mental faculties????????

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 01:08 AM

btw..

when i was a boy back in the mid 60's..

a local farmer used to drive up in his van

doing door-to-door cider deliveries..

its rumoured [almost family legend]
my grandad used to have 12 gallons a week..

he was a fat blind old man confined to an armchair
when i knew him..

i was given my own personalised engraved glass bottom pewter tankard
so i could learn to enjoy a small drink in the house
with my dad
while we watched tv together
on the one night each weeek he didn't go out for darts or skittles matches..

one time when i was 8 years old..
i 'borrowed' one of the family flaggons of farmhouse;
hid in the cupboard under the stairs..

and drank myself unconcious..


so nothin much has changed in the last 40 years....

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 12:45 AM

oops....!!!!!


yes..

its round about this time every summer

i make the same mistake of drinking my usual weekend quota
of favourite full strength local ciders

on top of a strong dose of prescription sedative antihistamines..!!???

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 01:04 PM

Punkrock should be understood in the context of its historical development and not dissed.

I'm certainly one who has posted stupid stuff for which I regret.

I like the brassy part of punkrock that is concerned with the leading political issues of our time....the stupidity and corruption of war, the racism and the widening dicotomy of economic classes, the political stink of our current Administration here in the States and all the attempts to fascistize our country. It's good that punkrock is speaking out on this.

The best performers of the genre will do the homework and study where it came from and how it fits in to the historical culture from which it emanates.

As for Socialism.....keep on keepin' on. Socialism and Capitalism have coexisted successfully in the US for a long time.

Frank

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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:56 PM

Norfolk an' good.

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From: MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:51 PM

And bottled cider isn't a patch on draught either. Norfolk does cider too but I don't know if it's any good.

Love Lynne

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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:12 PM

Thanks for the tip Ruth!

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From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 09:44 AM

I'd add Hereforshire and Shropshire to that list, WLD. Some excellent farm ciders from the borders.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 09:27 AM

Apple juice is apple juice in the UK, and cider is an alcoholic drink. Yet another example of our common linguistic heritage ¦¬]
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 09:18 AM

I've got to admit I would never even start to try and get hold of good quality cider if I weren't actually in the south west of England. Lots of good places in Somerset and devon.

Theres good inoffensive stuff down the supermarket - like that stuff in the white can that used to subsudise the English cricket team.

But nothing really tastes like the cider you buy off the farmer.

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From: maeve
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 06:17 AM

Hi, Ebbie. Real cider for me is the fresh pressed non-pasturized juice, but I was referring to the cider found in Britain and linking it to the bottled cider produced by some microbreweries here.

Applejack is good, too, made in winter as Gurney describes. I've used jugs of sweet fresh cider after it began to get fizzy.

maeve

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From: Gurney
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 03:26 AM

That's right, Ruth. The traditional way (would we be interested in anything else?) is to put the keg outside on a freezing night. Next morning, remove the ice, and put the keg outside on a freezing night.....    Water freezes, alcohol doesn't.


Don't leave the keg out during the day. A bus-tour from Blind River might be passing.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:55 AM

Applejack is a liquor, whereas "hard" cider is just fermented apple juice.

Applejack used to be a big thing in NJ. It's much, much stronger than cider.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:28 AM

"...proper cider apples and some are now producing the real cider." maeve

Maeve, I should have thought that *real* cider is the fresh stuff.

What is the difference between hard cider and applejack, Rapaire?

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From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:33 PM

Just as an aside, it's been discussed before that people in different times/places assign different meanings to "cider" and "hard cider" (and the other terms that have appeared in this thread). Me, I just leave it to the cows to make it all clear. When they are having "way too much fun," I know which apples they've been into! :~)

~Susan

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From: maeve
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:09 PM

Ebbie, here in New England there are several people who are growing proper cider apples and some are now producing the real cider. It's filling some of the market spots that local wineries and small label breweries have developed in the last twenty years or so.

At our small farm we now have a young orchard that included cider varieties to use in the future.

maeve

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 04:47 PM

Quite right Lynne, it's like Babycham is to Champagne, a cheap imitation
G

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From: MBSLynne
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 04:43 PM

Woodpecker is a disgusting, sweet, gaseous drink that in no way resembles 'real'cider. As a cider drinker, I wouldn't drink it if it were the only alcohol on offer

Love Lynne

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From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:35 PM

The bottled stuff we found for Micca was genuine cider...He is pretty discriminating. 4 different kinds, if I remember correctly.

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From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:10 PM

Let's not confuse hard cider and applejack here, folks....

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:09 PM

You can get imported Woodpecker cider in America. I've seen it in liquor stores in NJ, NY and CA.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:08 PM

These days, it is just one more item on liquor store shelves. Different stores have different brands...and 'some' pubs/bars (where we take visiting Brits) will carry a selection. (under menu/beer)

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:53 PM

I know that in Virginia in the 50s people/youngsters drank cider- but I don't know where they got it. I don't remember hearing it mentioned in Oregon. The same thing in Juneau.

When I was a kid, my family pressed their own apples and made apple cider. I remember that my parents sometimes mentioned that the cider was in danger of 'turning'. I thought that meant turning into vinegar.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:39 PM

PFR, this was cute-- the FIRST time you did it.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:56 AM

Ebbie....when Micca was here, he was rather surprised to find several brands of cider he could happily drink. I don't know whether Alaska thinks it is worth shipping North, but it is certainly available.

(The problem with cider is that it is WAY too easy to drink....it tastes good and doesn't 'warn' the taste buds the way some beer and like whiskey does. Some wine is also just too 'smooth' and easy to pour down...)(I know, I know...some folks can pour down almost anything...*sigh*)

I am perhaps fortunate that alcohol of most kinds begins to taste less good when I have had enough...I don't think I have been over the legal limit in over 30 years.

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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:48 AM

I bought some in NY State Ebbie, but it was a rare find I was told.
G

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From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:45 AM

Actually, I have never tasted 'hard' cider. So far as I know, there is no commercial outlet for it in the US. Does anyone know different?

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:36 AM

Bout five or six years ago I was gigging loads of old peoples homes - two or three most days.

One night in Derby, after the gig, I sat down to cathch my breath next to this old gentleman.

You ever been beaten with a stick? he suddenly said. I wondered if he hadn't liked the act. However, I was too tired to brush it off with some facetious nonsense - so I admitted three of four times when I was eleven or twelve - it had happened to me.

My Dad used to beat me with a stick, made a proper job of it...., and the old man told this story about how after the war, he'd married a Derby girl and worked as a park keeper in Derby - but he was born on cider farm near Taunton. And when he was young he used to steal the cider and if his Dad caught him, it was the stick for certain.

Mind you I used to drink the best cider, he said, if you ever get inside a cider farm - the first pressing is the ONLY one. The second pressing is nothing in comparison. I always got the first pressing, it was worth risking getting caught....

Anyway I said my goodbyes, and picked up the money and headed off, as one does.. But next time I went there about a month later, I made sure I had a couple decent bottles of cider to take him as a present.

Unfortunately he had died a couple of weeks before. They'd gone to wake him one morning, but he was gone.

So I pass on to you his wisdom... Always get the first pressing if you can. Sometimes its worth the risk. And perhaps another conclusion you can draw is - make sure your kids have nice memories of you, those memories will be one of the last things they have left.

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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:35 AM

Stick to bear j0hn, it's better for hamsters too!
G

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From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:30 AM

idont like cider, it gives me belly ake, and makes me ill.

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From: terrier
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:40 AM

I went to Bromyard festival some years ago. A Landrover pulled up onto the campsite, opened the back doors and started selling 'rough cider' dirt cheap. People were buying gallons of the stuff. Next morining, the campsite was populated by the walking dead. The clog morris workshop tent was strangely quiet that morning, in fact, everything was strangely quiet that morning!

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From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:23 AM

I know the feeling Liz !!
I LOVE Cider but it does SERIOUS nasties to my internal workings . so I stick to beer these days !

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:16 AM

Should I be worried that this entire thread makes perfect sense to me?

And I'm sober....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 06:40 AM

Yep, cider is a great drink, but PROPER cider (such as I rarely get the chance to get hold of around here) is pretty powerful stuff. In fact, I haven't actually been drunk since our first quarter session over two years ago when I had rahter more Old Rosie than I should have and made a total fool of myself!

Starkle starkle little twink,
Who the hell you are I think....
I'm not under the alfluence of incohol,
Nor drunk, as some thinkle peep I am.
Besides, I've only had tee martoonis
And I've all day sober to Sunday up in.
I fool so feelish,
I don't know who's me yet,
But the drunker I sit here,
The longer I get

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 06:18 AM

Whose cider you on, Megan? A perma thread for apologies? You woulda thunk I'da come up with that long ago!! Hehehehe.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Megan L
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 05:46 AM

:) punkfolkrocker you could of course create a perma thread for appologies then you wouldnt have to type it out each time. typing wie a sair hied is a bissim.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 04:06 AM

Cider is a great drink. Does anybody know that cider farm near Ilminster where they sell all different kinds? Got to be the best drink England has produced. They also do a delicious cider brandy over there in Somerset, but its ruinously expensive for some reason.

I think Champagne and that Pommeau stuff they make over in France are rubbish - although Calvados isn't bad - give the French their due.

The thing is punkfolkrocker. If you have a decent drink - well really what is there to regret as long as you don't drive round, or have access to firearms and suffer from depressive behaviour patterns.

I think if you're on the diamond whites and knocking it back for the brain damage, because reality needs restucturing - well I've been there - and reality stays in need of restructuring.

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:32 AM

When people have been drinkjing we tend to get the 'in-cider' information....not always a bad thing.

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:19 AM

Cider will do that to you, Joe. :)

Subject: RE: BS: punkfolkrocker says SORRY..
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:51 AM

You know, Punkfolkrocker, you're not making much sense right now. Maybe you should get some sleep....

-Joe Offer-